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D. Spaulding

(517 posts)
3. It's just way too convenient, and seems very unlikely
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:43 AM
Sep 2025

in light of how planned everything else seems to be by the person who carried this out.

Hugin

(37,992 posts)
4. That's the first question that enters my mind...
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:45 AM
Sep 2025

I got nuthin. Granted I am not a student of radical “transgender ideology” like apparently the FBI has called in up in Utah.

Please, show us a picture of the bullets so we may learn. (not directed at the OP)

LiberalArkie

(19,916 posts)
5. And away we go..I can understand why they hate the "antiracist" dialog like "We the people" and such stuff. But
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:50 AM
Sep 2025

what the hell is "transgender ideology"?

I mean if you go back thousands of years in all cultures you have the consensus that a person can be "Two-sprit" born one sex but know they are not that sex.

Netfilx has "Under the Queens Umbrella" that covers that a period in the Joseon era of Korea

unblock

(56,260 posts)
6. this claim seems to be from some unspecified law enforcement bulletin that the FBI won't even acknowledge
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:51 AM
Sep 2025
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-shot-suspect-utah-manhunt-b2824720.html

"Ammunition inside the rifle was engraved with messages of transgender and antifascist ideology, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing a law enforcement bulletin and a source familiar with the investigation. The FBI declined to comment to The Independent."


it may be true, but it certainly sounds like something some local right-wing cop would stick in some update to serve an agenda.

it's also entirely plausible that the killer was a right-wing extremist who wanted to pin blame on trans people and liberals.

Attilatheblond

(9,223 posts)
8. Keep in mind, a well respected, well creditialed FBI agent was recently fired from the Utah, MT, ID region headquarters
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:59 AM
Sep 2025

She was replace by a man Trump just handed the reins to for that region.

Oh, golly, replace the person with tremendous experience and suddenly, a big bad event? Smells worse by the minute.

Still wanna look up sales for Trump merch compared to up and coming Kirk organization merch sales.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,590 posts)
13. Also wondering about the "antifascist ideology"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:38 PM
Sep 2025

"Democracy rules, OK"?
"Down with Mussolini and his successors"?
"Adolf Hitler: My Part in His Downfall"?
"I like Ike"?

yardwork

(69,642 posts)
7. It's the latest made-up boogeyman.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:58 AM
Sep 2025

It joins woke and critical race theory as made-up things to terrify Americans about to distract them from the fact that people with guns keep killing people.

werdna

(1,252 posts)
10. My Trans daughter defines the transgender ideology as -
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:10 PM
Sep 2025

- "Just leave us alone." Nothing more, nothing less.

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