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sir pball

(5,352 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:39 PM Sep 2025

To be clear, while I have zero love lost for Charlie Kirk...

I'm also not celebrating his death, I don't think he deserved it, even if it doesn't trouble me much, but…

…I do still have a politically mixed spectrum of friends, and I have been seeing on my social media the video clip of his daughter running into his arms on whatever the TV show was, and the the look on his face as he picks her up…and I'm reminded, with a bit of discomfort, of a quote from one of the greatest authors and human beings in living memory…

You had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn't then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told their children bedtime stories, were capable of then going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people. It was much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
–Sir Terry Pratchett, Jingo:
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To be clear, while I have zero love lost for Charlie Kirk... (Original Post) sir pball Sep 2025 OP
He should have changed jobs, for his kids leftstreet Sep 2025 #1
I mean, his job wasn't dangerous... sir pball Sep 2025 #2
The world is a little better place. maveric Sep 2025 #3
Just because people show some good behavior doesn't mean they aren't still full of evil and hate inside. eppur_se_muova Sep 2025 #4
Cool, so you believe They aren't Us sir pball Sep 2025 #5

leftstreet

(41,256 posts)
1. He should have changed jobs, for his kids
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:48 PM
Sep 2025

It wouldn't be the first time in history the experience of parenthood led people to quit their dangerous jobs

eppur_se_muova

(42,518 posts)
4. Just because people show some good behavior doesn't mean they aren't still full of evil and hate inside.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 04:38 PM
Sep 2025

Someone who loves their own children but hates immigrants, transsexuals, and even women is not a good person. He's a Republican. They all do this. Then they find out one of their own kids is gay or trans and suddenly they make the stock statement about how it's somehow different because it concerns someone they care about (a pretty blatant admission that they don't care at all about most people, except for their votes).

Maybe the look on his face said "got to raise her right, so she doesn't become some kind of feminist". Or "pray to God she's not a lesbian" and "spare the rod, spoil the child". By the time she reached adulthood, he would have had years of opportunity to warp her mind and brainwash her into voting and acting against her own interests, in favor of all the white males in her life, and in society. To people on the Right, that's what "good parenting" means. Not anything worth celebrating.

I read that quote more as a warning that might have been made about the "Good Germans" -- and not knowing which of your neighbors fall into that category.

Don't judge them by how they treat their kids. That's only the result of natural selection, since they're actually preserving their own gene line by protecting their offspring. Gene lines that possess that behavior find it to be a survival trait.

sir pball

(5,352 posts)
5. Cool, so you believe They aren't Us
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 05:09 PM
Sep 2025

I take it you haven't read the book, or are even in the slightest bit familiar with Sir Terry.

It must be so nice to have such a simplistic worldview.

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