Looks can be deceiving, but if you saw this guy on the street, would you think there's a...

[pat_k]

1.Friendly progressive/liberal

2. Scary MAGA



FBI Releases "Person of Interest" images: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

[Silent Type]

2. Incel.

[underpants]

3. No way to tell or know from the picture. I'm curious about the tshirt.

[BamaRefugee]

5. It's a 'Murican flag with an eagle flying in front of it. I can't stoop to calling it an AMERICAN flag.

There's lots of pics of the shirt in other posts, even for sale online.

[livetohike]

8. I'm looking at it on an iPhone. Looks like an

American flag with a gun of some sort overlaying it .

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. No, it is an eagle in front of it. Link to ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314904222949

[underpants]

21. Yep that's it. It could very well just be mainly a black Tshirt

or it could mean nothing at all. Thanks.

[Mike Niendorff]

49. That's definitely the picture. Great catch.

Thanks for posting this.

MDN

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. You are welcome, but a smarter DU member posted the search term I used. . . . nt

[livetohike]

55. Thanks! n/t

[senseandsensibility]

13. That's what I thought at first too

but I think it's an eagle.

[pat_k]

9. Me too. Tried to enhance and search by image. No luck.

I added queries like "what is the object superimposed on the flag in this image" and "find a shirt that closely matches this image."

It was probably silly to try. I would imagine that if it could be identified that easily they would have provided an image of what it appears to be.

[underpants]

22. See posts 12 & 14.

[pat_k]

24. Thanks!

[ShazzieB]

10. Same here.

Imo, there's nothing distinctive about him other than the shirt, and I can't make heads or tails of what's depicted there. Enlarging doesn't help, because it's too blurry,

If I saw this guy walking down the street, I might or might not have a reaction, depending on what that shirt actually shows, but just from this blurry photo, I'm drawing a complete blank.

[pat_k]

26. I should have included a "Just your average guy" or "Nothing notable"

[ShazzieB]

31. Exactly!

[Celerity]

14. here

many for sale on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/177283982712

[pat_k]

30. That's it! Wonder why the FBI didn't include this?

[Celerity]

34. no idea, as it was very easy to find via image search

[ShazzieB]

48. Thamks for this.

I would honestly not have a very strong reaction to this graphic. I'd figure he is definitely NOT a liberal, but I wouldn't automatically assume full on MAGA. If the hat was red, I'd definitely take a closer look, but if it didn't say "MAGA," or anything related to that, I wouldn't necessarily jump to any conclusions.

[BamaRefugee]

4. BE ON THE ALERT for a guy who looks like 99% of all the other guys at UVU yesterday.

[thought crime]

65. Blending in pretty well...

[LeftInTX]

81. Yeah, I think that was the point of the shirt.

[hlthe2b]

6. INCEL MAGA

would be my guess. Looks can be deceiving, however.

[StarryNite]

7. I wouldn't think anything of him one way or another.

[hamsterjill]

18. He looks skinny and puny to me.

I wouldn't have thought anything if I'd passed someone like given the event. He looks frail to me in that photo. Almost sickly.

Maybe it's just the photo.

[StarryNite]

27. It's hard to tell.

You wouldn't think he would wear a shirt with a picture on it. It seems a shooter would be wearing something more nondescript.

[allegorical oracle]

69. Several new photos were much clearer of the person in better light. Has a

very pale complexion, long, slender fingers, and a thin build. One FBI guy (former agent) said, as the new photos were being shown, that 'it could even be a female." The newer photos looked like someone was purposely taking those pictures. Made me wonder if the suspect worked alone.

[hamsterjill]

71. I haven't seen the newer photos yet, but I'll make it a point to look at them.

Thanks for the information.

I admit to (ashamedly) wondering if it might be a woman who did this. I almost snickered at the prospect of that, and I fully admit that I should be ashamed of myself for that. I do not take joy in anyone being killed, but there's just SO much karma on this one. Karma and irony.

[pat_k]

74. I grieve for the manner of death as a reflection of the intolerable level of gun violence in America.

And the number of gun deaths in America is truly intolerable. We have 11 TIMES the number of gun deaths per capita in other high-income nations, driven primarily by a firearm homicide rate that is 25 TIMES that of comparable nations (2015 numbers).

I suspect that it never occurred to him that he would be one of those deaths he believed are "worth it." (Quote Apr 2023: "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." )

I do not grieve the loss of a man who called for some "amazing patriot" to bail out Paul Pelosi’s attacker. I do not grieve the loss of a man who was hellbent on doing everything in his power to ensure this nation did NOTHING to reduce gun deaths.

Just as you found yourself almost snickering at the notion that a women would end the life of an uber Misogynistic, Christian Nationalist, White Supremacist, what came to my mind was Clarence Darrow’s quote:

“I've never wished a man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure”

However, although the quote came to mind, I do not take any pleasure in this man's death. I am very, very anxious about the consequences. I have a terrible sinking feeling that his death -- whoever the perpetrator and whatever the publicly declared "motive" may be -- will unleash further oppression of, and violence against, those who care about REAL American values. (You know, values like human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, self-governance, and economic justice, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry.)

[hamsterjill]

78. It will most definitely unleash further oppression, etc.

Thanks for your perspective. It is a good one and a solid one. And you're right in that Kirk's death will unleash major payback, etc.

But if it hadn't been Kirk, it would have been something else. The Trumpers have been itching for an excuse to start a war, and were it not this situation, they would have found another. As weird as this is going to sound, and please hear me out, there's almost a relief in that.

I'm in Texas, and Texas is and has been ground zero for a lot of the MAGA crap. I think living amongst this gives those of us who have lived here for long periods of time and are NOT like the MAGAs a unique perspective. We've been watching this like a freight train coming down the tracks with a stalled car on the crossing. We've known that it is inevitable and that we might as well not only face it, but fight it, and then try to recover. Because it's not going away without a fight unfortunately. And that's not MY wish, or MY action, or MY purpose. It all comes from THEIR crap. When bullies back you into a corner, you have no choice but to get down on their terms and fight them. Hopefully, we don't lose our humanity when we are forced to do this.

Please understand that I am not happy about any of this. It scares me. It depresses me. It astounds me that it has ever been allowed to come to this point. It absolutely astounded me that ANYONE would vote for Donald Trump again especially with someone like Kamala Harris as the other option. But we are there, and we cannot hide our heads in the sand and pretend that we are not at that point.

Wishing you all the best...

[pat_k]

79. We are dealing with a national chronic illness of sorts.

If I'm hearing you correctly, part of what you are saying is that we aren't likely to effectively turn the tide if we don't first fully accept the reality of where we are. And the more blatant the attacks on us, the harder it is deny reality. That train is (and has been) barreling down the tracks straight at us.

It reminds me of something I recently read on dealing with physical illness.

What Is Acceptance Versus Resistance?
Resistance is the refusal to acknowledge reality. It keeps us stuck in cycles of fear, denial, and frustration. While resistance may seem like a form of strength, it often leads to increased stress, anxiety, and emotional exhaustion. Acceptance, in contrast, is an act of courage. It requires paying attention, feeling, and reflecting. When we stop fighting what is happening, we create space for healing. Link

As with physical illness, when we stop spinning in that cycle of fear, denial, and frustration, we free up energy to be creative and tap into hope that sparks effective steps forward.

I realize the analogy don't quite fit with being forced to fight back when cornered, but I think there is something in recognizing that effective "political resistance" is actually grounded in acceptance of the reality of what you are up against.

[hamsterjill]

83. I hear you.

I'd honestly love it if some type of "creativity" could be unleashed in whatever way possible to get us out of this mess. It sure would beat having to take up arms and defend ourselves.

I do think that Newsom's making fun of Trump hit a nerve that they weren't quite expecting. I would welcome anything that made a dent in what I think is to come.

[LeftInTX]

84. It's the pipe bomb planter from DC!

[33taw]

11. Hard to tell from a photo of a man (allegedly) preparing to murder someone. It could be a disguise.

[pat_k]

16. Quite true.

[EdmondDantes_]

39. I definitely wouldn't do what he is alleged to have done wearing anything I would normally wear

But then again if I was Luigi I wouldn't have pulled my mask down to flirt with someone before murdering, so operational security isn't always well thought out and I'm sure there's stuff I would miss.

[Marie Marie]

15. I don't know too many young liberals that would wear an American Flag & Eagle shirt.

We don't usually shout our patriotism on our clothes. Just been my experience but I've been wrong many times before.

[pat_k]

17. Thanks for the ID! I couldn't figure out...

...what was superimposed over the flag.

[underpants]

23. Yeah but this is a pretty red area from what I read here

It could just be standard type wear there for everyone.

[pat_k]

35. Should have included "Just your average guy" or "Not much at all."

It was a silly question. My gut reaction was "MAGA," but as another person pointed out, could be someone wearing that shirt as a disguise to fit in with Kirk fans, or as you say, just an "average" shirt for the area.

[LoveSucky]

85. If you're planning an assassination, then you wear whatever to blend in.

[Donkees]

19. Looks like a woman

[ShazzieB]

42. I don't think so.

He just looks like a young and very skinny dude to me. The graphic on the shirt is lying completely flat across his chest, and his shoulders are relatively broad in relation to the rest of the body. Looks like a typically masculine frame, just without much meat on the bones.

[GenThePerservering]

45. That's just a normal sized young guy

most of the population of young guys in my area look like that.

[orangecrush]

20. No gun?

Someone said this might not even be the guy.

[underpants]

25. That's my question

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Unless they have .3006’s that can be broke down- barrel removed? - it would be pretty conspicuous.

I haven’t really stayed up to date on this but I’m thinking a parking garage. The shooter had a view but wouldn’t be out in the open. Whether in a vehicle or not you could hide a rifle in a parking garage to get later.

[orangecrush]

33. From what I read

The rifle was a Mauser, a surplus rifle that does not at all lend itself to a quick takedown.

Also odd that it says 30.06, as Mausers are not chambered for that round, they are chambered for 8 mm.

However, some were made into custom conversions rechambered for 30.06, with a custom stock.

With a scope, these could be considered a sniper rifle.

[underpants]

37. I didn't think so. Thanks.

Gun technology has changed a lot. It used to be quite frequent for guns to jam during mass shootings like Aurora and others.

God, we put so much time money and expertise into finding better ways to kill each other.

[pat_k]

40. Who knows? Maybe the gun was hidden at the site and this photo is from before the shooting?

Since the rifle they believe was used was recovered in "nearby woods," it sounds like he took it with him. But it could have been stashed at the site to be waiting for him in advance.

[Jack Valentino]

75. Why wouldn't he have stashed the gun at the chosen shooting position, days in advance,

before there was any uptick in security?

Then you don't have to walk up with some conspicuous 'long object'
just prior to the shooting, when there was a greater police presence
(as little as that was--- Kirk wasn't a presidential candidate, after all)


Clearly the shooter had chosen his shooting position in advance,
and had a pre-planned escaped route, which has thus far proven very successful...

[sarisataka]

28. 3. None of the above

T-shirts are my everyday wear and they can range from anything mildly patriotic to cartoon characters.
If you are out and about today and you see a guy with a black t shirt that has all of the old monster cereal characters on it, it might be me

[pat_k]

44. I certainly should have included that.

My own "scary MAGA" gut reaction doesn't have much basis. It was probably a silly question to pose in the first place. Could be anything. Someone wearing the shirt to fit in with Kirk fans. Or just your average joe who isn't actually the shooter.

[BlueKota]

29. Scary Maga

I agree we won't know anything for certain until we have more verified information. However I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that it could have been a Maga upset by Kirk calling for more transparency by Trump on the Epstein matter.

After all let's not forget that tsf said any Republicans calling for the Epstein files were stupid and foolish, falling for a "democratic hoax", and he said he would considered it a "hostile act" against his presidency. Again we don't know anything for sure yet, but it's a theory that isn't completely implausible either.

[pat_k]

72. We really know nothing.

I'm actually a little frustrated that everyone assumes this is "political violence." Yes, murder of a political figure may well be "political violence" but it could a mentally ill guy hearing the voice of his dog telling him to kill Charlie Kirk because he has evil eyes.

If it was a "false flag" operation, we'll never know so speculation on that isn't productive.

I think the thing that disturbs me the most about all of this is that, whoever the shooter was, whatever speculation there may be about the person and their motives when they are identified, I fear this killing may prove to be MAGA's Horst Wessel.

And given the state of the "anger-sphere" calling for blood and revenge today, I have a terrible sinking feeling that his death will unleash further oppression of, and violence against, those who care about REAL American values -- -- values like human-rights, rule of law, religious freedom, and self-governance, and the thinking underlying those values, among them rationality, compassion as a moral imperative, and scientific inquiry.

[BlueKota]

77. I agree that we don't know anything for sure.

I also agree that if it was a false flag operation, or a Maga person mad at Kirk for whatever reason that we wont likely find out about it. You're also right that we don't know if it was politically motivated, or a personal grudge, or the actions of a violent person who simply wanted to harm someone.

I guess I am just frustrated that tsf and some media are automatically assuming that if it was politically motivated it had to be someone on the left, when it just as easily have been someone on the right mad at Kirk for doing or saying something the shooter didn't agree with.

Whomever did it I hope they are caught and are held accountable under the law regardless of the motive.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

32. Freepers said "vegan"

[LeftInTX]

82. LOL

[Clouds Passing]

36. I'll take "Is it a scary maga" for the win, Alex!

[BlueTsunami2018]

38. I don't believe anything these people say.

If I saw this guy on the street I’d walk right on by.

[Sneederbunk]

41. If only this guy was a January 6 pardonee.

[orangecrush]

43. Why wear

Something that has identifying stuff on it?

[pat_k]

46. To fit in with Kirk fans? Or because you are MAGA and are...

upset with Kirk for dropping his calls for release of the Epstein files. Or maybe this isn't even the shooter.

In any case, from the post of the image in #14, it sounds like there are a lot of these shirts on sale, so even if they could somehow ID purchasers, probably wouldn't get them anywhere.

[orangecrush]

52. I'm guessing not the shooter

[pat_k]

76. With the level of trust I have in Kash Patel's FBI...

... if they apprehend the guy in the image and ID him as the shooter, I fear I will have lingering doubts that he WAS actually the shooter.

And that is what the insanity of MAGA America has done to me. Never thought I'd find myself feeling the gravitational pull of any conspiracy rabbit hole.

[Grim Chieftain]

47. I agree

That shirt is a bit unique, not one you see often. Seems really strange he would select something that could easily be identified. A plain, nondescript shirt would seem a more likely choice.

[Skittles]

50. looks like a garden variety gun humping coward to me

yup

[CanonRay]

51. 3. An FSB assassin who's already back in Moscow?

[Torchlight]

53. My first thought would be 'huffer'

Second thought would be 'probably smelly too, stay away... " One of many reasons I'll never be a detective.

[Kaleva]

54. Could be a liberal trying to blend into a MAGA crowd

But my assumption would be that he is MAGA considering that there was a MAGA event going on.

[Ursus Rex]

56. Superficial. He was at least smart enough to try and blend in,IF he wasn't one of them.

Not saying he's one side or the other, just that this doesn't seem to be a quickie amateur thing pulled off by smart and/or skilled agent or agents.

[pat_k]

58. My own "scary MAGA" gut reaction doesn't have a legit basis.

It was probably a silly question to pose in the first place. Could be anything. Someone wearing the shirt to fit in with Kirk fans. Or just your average joe who isn't actually the shooter.

[Renew Deal]

57. I wouldn't think anything

Just another guy

[pat_k]

60. An option I should have included.

Opps.

My own "scary MAGA" gut reaction doesn't have much basis. Probably a silly question to pose in the first place.

But happy we got an ID for the shirt out of it!! (Post 14)

[Rebl2]

61. MAGA

all the way.

[The Revolution]

62. Of course we can tell who's bad

Just by looking at them.

[pat_k]

63. Touche !

DU apparently doesn't like an e with an accent -- kept posting as "Touch"

[zuul]

64. 3. Contract killer sent by Mossad

[roamer65]

66. Can't tell.

But I am really hoping it’s not where conjecture is right now.

[pat_k]

70. It's not.

As I've posted in a few other replies, I know my own "scary maga" gut reaction has no legitimate basis. It was silly to post the question at all, particularly without additional "wouldn't think a thing" options.

But I was happy to get that shirt ID'd out of it (see #14).

[Buns_of_Fire]

67. If they're not naked, and are not carrying armaments, odds are

I wouldn't pay much attention to them either way.

[BlueOnTop]

68. He looks like he belongs..

I mean, he's not gonna wear an "I'm here to kill Charlie" t-shirt.

[marble falls]

73. Or his made in China machine autographed MAGA hat.

[LeftInTX]

80. MAGA

[Blue Full Moon]

86. Where's the gun

I don't trust any thing that Patel would say or any evidence he has.