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tulipsandroses

(8,297 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:37 PM Sep 2025

"When a public figure dies, you are not obligated to manufacture sorrow for someone who did not earn it"

Some wise words for anyone that has conflicted feelings.
SNIP---

“When a public figure dies, you are not obligated to manufacture sorrow for someone who did not live in a way that earned your compassion,” wrote psychotherapist Dr. Dionne Mahaffey-Muhammad yesterday in a public Facebook post that I’ve begun sharing online. “There is a difference between refusing to speak ill of the dead and forcing yourself to honor a life that may have caused harm.”

“Choosing not to mourn someone who caused harm is not out of alignment with your spiritual beliefs,” she continued. “Grief is not a performance, and empathy is not an endless well. You are allowed to acknowledge limits. That doesn’t make you coldhearted, and it doesn’t mean you are wishing harm on anyone. It simply means you are being honest about your boundaries.⁣”

Compassion without boundaries can become self-betrayal.⁣

So give yourself permission: you don’t have to pretend sorrow where there is none. You can let your empathy have edges. That is not cruelty. That is wisdom.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/09/no-i-wont-be-shedding-any-tears-for-charlie-kirk/

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"When a public figure dies, you are not obligated to manufacture sorrow for someone who did not earn it" (Original Post) tulipsandroses Sep 2025 OP
findagrave.org MrWowWow Sep 2025 #1
Actually found grave of a dear elderly neighbor who died not long after my family moved away from where we all lived Attilatheblond Sep 2025 #6
Extremely well written. underpants Sep 2025 #2
I don't have any sorrow that he's dead EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #3
I can't get too worked up over it either. Haggard Celine Sep 2025 #5
what they're doing right now to weaponize this barbtries Sep 2025 #8
It just seems like war is imminent now. Haggard Celine Sep 2025 #10
Fuck sorrow; you aren't obliged to say nice things, or refrain from speaking true things. RockRaven Sep 2025 #4
i needed to hear that. barbtries Sep 2025 #7
The world is a better place without bigoted haters like him in it JoseBalow Sep 2025 #9
Steve Schmidt titled a post "The evil that men do lives after them," soldierant Sep 2025 #14
Not a fan of Christopher Hitchens, but Buzz cook Sep 2025 #11
Extremely well put Picaro Sep 2025 #12
I'm glad Hitler is dead. I'm glad Pol Pot is dead. I'm glad Stalin is dead. I'm glad Idi Amin is dead. I'm glad Charles dalton99a Sep 2025 #13

Attilatheblond

(9,163 posts)
6. Actually found grave of a dear elderly neighbor who died not long after my family moved away from where we all lived
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:08 PM
Sep 2025

He was a retired teacher, had headed up the local YMCA, started the local softball leagues decades before we coached a team there. If it was about providing fun, guidance, education for young people in that town, he was usually the man who started it.

In retirement, he taught at a local home for unwed mothers, and mentored young women there for a couple decades. They did a Christmas pageant there one year and had him play the part of the Wise Men. In his eighties then, he was confused and asked who the other Wise Men would be. He told my one of the 'girls' gave him a hug and told him he was wise enough to be three.

This man tended my daughter for a couple hours a day, from when she got out of school until I got home. He had games, insisted she learn stuff, and was an important part of her life. He wouldn't take a dime for child care, but was fine with the occasional home made pie or loaf of graham bread.

It meant a lot to find his grave at that website. Made me feel a bit better to leave a message, even knowing it was unlikely anybody would read it.

It's a really good website. Found my late husband's grandparents grave on that site too. It's good to honor memories and dear people.

EdmondDantes_

(2,008 posts)
3. I don't have any sorrow that he's dead
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:48 PM
Sep 2025

But I can do that and not be happy about it either. Mostly I'm indifferent because deaths of people who I've never met, or have some connection to, don't really get to me.

Haggard Celine

(17,890 posts)
5. I can't get too worked up over it either.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:03 PM
Sep 2025

Like you, if I don't have some sort of connection to someone and they die, I just don't feel anything. But that doesn't mean I want them to die. The only sorrow I have is over what this is doing to the country. What's going to happen if they accuse someone we believe is innocent and the other side thinks is guilty. More polarization. Then the verdict comes and the whole country has a big Rodney King riot. My outlook is not so good these days.

barbtries

(31,330 posts)
8. what they're doing right now to weaponize this
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:15 PM
Sep 2025

not even that well known white supremacist "influencer" is so despicable, it's got me remembering how cheney immediately jumped on 911 to throw a war in Iraq.

i'm so pissed.

Haggard Celine

(17,890 posts)
10. It just seems like war is imminent now.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:34 PM
Sep 2025

If Trump will seize on something like this, the death of a fucking influencer, to round up more people, then he is really showing his hand. He's determined to do this. He hates this country that much.

RockRaven

(19,684 posts)
4. Fuck sorrow; you aren't obliged to say nice things, or refrain from speaking true things.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:57 PM
Sep 2025

When speaking truthfully is "speaking ill of the dead" the truth is more valuable and more necessary than usual.

barbtries

(31,330 posts)
7. i needed to hear that.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:11 PM
Sep 2025

not only do I not feel bad about kirk being dead, I already know that if i live long enough to see the death of krasnov, I will celebrate it. and I'm like a borderline empath, empathetic in the extreme but not to the point of having to avoid crowds.

soldierant

(9,368 posts)
14. Steve Schmidt titled a post "The evil that men do lives after them,"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:54 PM
Sep 2025

and my mind just finished it "the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Charlie." I just couldn't stop it. But this is the first time I've shared it.

Buzz cook

(2,914 posts)
11. Not a fan of Christopher Hitchens, but
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:17 PM
Sep 2025

After Mother Theresa died he was brutally honest on TV about her failings during the funeral.
I've never seen that again not for Nixon or Reagan, two men that deserved no respect, nor for any of the other bad actors that get a kind send off.

dalton99a

(95,076 posts)
13. I'm glad Hitler is dead. I'm glad Pol Pot is dead. I'm glad Stalin is dead. I'm glad Idi Amin is dead. I'm glad Charles
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:42 PM
Sep 2025

Manson is dead. I'm glad Jeffrey Dahmer is dead. I'm glad Rush Limbaugh is dead....

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