Nick Fuentes, The Groypers, and Charlie Kirk - Now It Makes Sense

[MineralMan]

Finally, one of the crackpot theories about the Charlie Kirk murder makes some crazy sence, An earlier DU thread mentioned the Groypers in connection to the shooting and I didn't get that connected right away, but now I think I understand it. The DU thread that ties the shooter to the Groypers is at:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20633669

A trip to Wikipedia lays out the Groyper War with Charlie Kirk clearly. I had forgotten about that somehow. See it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

The identified shooter has been linked to the Groyper movement. If you put it all together, after reading the two links above, you'll see the connection clearly. Tyler Robinson apparently was a self-described Groyper, and you can find the reference to that in the first link.

Nick Fuentes and the Groypers have been at war with Charlie Kirk for a long time. They don't consider Kirk to be far enough right, and his success in drawing crowds has fared better than Fuentes has.

This truly could be an instance of the right fighting the farther right for domination of the extreme right of the Republican Party. Perhaps Tyler Robinson took the opportunity of Kirk's appearance in Utah to take action.

Makes the most sense of anything I've heard. Go check the links.

[maxsolomon]

1. How would the anti-Fascist "engravings" on the cartridges tie in?

Red herrings?

Groypers consider Kirk a Fascist but they're not?

[yardwork]

3. Are they anti-fascist?

It's really hard to tell. These people play act on the internet with symbols and memes. They think it's a big game.

I think that it's difficult to understand how childish and unserious they are. We try to make sense of something that is deliberately nonsense.

[OneGrassRoot]

8. That's why the media and law enforcement need to catch up fast.

This administration is losing control of their own youth base, because they're fighting amongst themselves in ways that make no sense to people not familiar with Fuentes, Kirk, Groypers, edgelord, how important memes are in their world and so forth.

It does seem like nonsense but it's cloaking dark, dangerous shit.

[Wicked Blue]

10. If they even want to catch up

I suspect we're not getting details because Traitor and his evil minions are wracking their tiny minds trying to figure out a way to morph Robinson into a lefty liberal.

Don't you love the smell of fascists fighting each other?

[underpants]

16. No, they call anything they don't like "Nazi"

DEI is Nazi.
Anything not far right enough (they are waaaasy far right) is Nazi.
Kirk, following along with the ever changing MAGA creed, supported Israel = Nazi to Groypers.

[Celerity]

20. 'Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao' (another message on a Robinson shell casing) is definitely anti-fascist

It is from a well known Italian anti-fascist song.

Bella ciao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

"Bella ciao" (Italian pronunciation: [ˈbɛlla ˈtʃaːo]) is an Italian song dedicated to the partisans of the Italian resistance, who fought against the occupying troops of Nazi Germany and the collaborationist Fascist forces during the liberation of Italy.

"Bella Ciao" (Goodbye, Beautiful) is an Italian workers' song that gained popularity for association with the Anti-Fascist partisans of the Committee for National Liberation (Comitato di Liberazione Nazionale, CLN). It was first written in the late 1800s and sung by striking farmers in Northern Italy, but modern lyrics dedicated to the Partisans became popular in the 20th century, effectively transforming it into an anti-fascist anthem, even if it does not find its actual roots in the Italian Civil War. These days it is one of the most popular anti-fascist songs of all time, if not the most popular. Performed here by my favourite choir, the Trieste Partisan Choir (Tržaški partizanski pevski zbor / Coro partigiano Triestino).

[yardwork]

32. It can't definitely be assumed anything.

As I said, there's a lot of play acting and foolishness among these people.

Just because they adopt a meme or slogan or song doesn't mean they understand what it means or aren't using it in a double-triple ironic way.

We just don't know. And we probably won't ever know because TrumpCo can't be trusted.

[vanlassie]

38. Trumpco will be the last to know.

Nt

[darkstar]

50. Originally, yes

But see this as well as for recent appropriation by alt right:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220634618

[róisín_dubh]

54. Yeah, I was just about to write this/

:My Italian best mate would have a stroke if she read that literal fascists were using this song or iterations of it in any way to defend their beliefs.

[Random Boomer]

82. Childish pretty much describes the shooter

He was totally unprepared to get away with this killing.

[yardwork]

83. Immature, impulsive - and trained to shoot.

Raised in a family of Trumpsters who loved their guns and went on shooting vacations.

It's not surprising that this angry young man decided to use the weapon he'd been taught to use. There are millions more just like him.

[still-prayin4rain]

46. Yep ⬆️ - law enforcement is either too old to understand the engravings or are straight out lying about their meaning

[Johnny2X2X]

6. The Alt Right talks about being anti fascist all the time

They claim DEI is fascism. They claim all sorts of things are fascism. And in this case Robinson might have considered Kirk fascist for supporting Israel.

But it could just be stuff he etched on his ammo from a video game too.

Not everything means something, but Robinson appears to be from the Alt Right.

[LeftInTX]

12. Exactly!!! I really don't know what to think, but calling someone/thing "fascist" doesn't mean anything.

"DEI is fascist. Obama is fascist. Seat belts are fascist, Speed limits are fascist"

If they don't like it, they call it fascist.

[LymphocyteLover]

13. exactly-- the right totally beieved Obama was a fascist when he was POTUS

[johnnyfins]

76. Yeah, and that is thanks to Jonah Goldberg

Author of a book titled: "Liberal Fascism"

Horseshit book, from a horsehit person.

[lonely bird]

81. Hey

Horseshit has uses. Goldberg is utterly useless.

[LymphocyteLover]

93. Hah, yes-- forgot about that stupid book and stupid wingnut

[mwmisses4289]

22. My understanding is that those marks were the bullets makers marks,

and had nothing to do with whatever nonsense the rwnjs were spouting.

[radical noodle]

68. Those were on the base

the others were on the casings, at least that's the way I understood it.

[littlemissmartypants]

43. I read...

They were mocking the furry lifestyle and related to a video game. Some things are straight-forward others tongue-in-cheek. Engraved/messages on ammunition is a standard war time tradition. So not really unique or unusual.

[IbogaProject]

59. TRN was a manufacture stamp

So until we see any pictures of these alleged ingravings. And we can judge the killer by his own actions in total not follow where the media jumped with nothing else to talk about.

[niyad]

86. I thought those turned out to be manufacturer markings?

[mcar]

2. So, not trans, not a lefty

and not one Republican will ever apologize for ginning up even more violence with their false claims.

Now they will transition to: lone wolf, disturbed "kid," violent video games, etc. etc.

[StarryNite]

34. Yes, and they must pray for him.

[mcar]

41. Yes!

[B.See]

72. Frankly, I couldn't have imagined

any liberal in his right mind wanting to turn one of these NUTJOBS into a martyr, anyway.

Especially seeing as how CERTAIN MAGAS are doing a pretty damn good job of shooting their OWN selves in the foot.

[RandomNumbers]

78. This is an easy "STOP IT, BOTH OF YOU!!"

Yeah I'd say the reich-wing is worse about it and especially in this case.

But I've seen posters from across the spectrum jumping to conclusions on every high-profile shooting.

Rather than push back "but those guys are worse!" we should call out everyone who wants to start making asinine accusations before facts are known.

[Drum]

4. September 9 2025...New York Times piece on Fuentes.

Nick Fuentes: A White Nationalist Problem for the Right
For years, conservatives hoped that the notorious white nationalist would go away. Instead, Mr. Fuentes has gained more traction, even while opposing the president.

Excerpt:
“Until a month or two ago, Nicholas J. Fuentes was regarded by right-wing influencers as a mosquito-like interloper whose lifeblood was attention. Ignore his openly racist and sexist rants, their thinking went, and Mr. Fuentes would eventually flitter off into oblivion.

But today an entirely different consensus has emerged on the right. The footprint of the oratorically proficient late-night streaming show host has not dwindled in the least, with his tens if not hundreds of thousands of alienated young male conservatives followers known as Groypers, a nickname derived from an alt-right meme. If anything, his anti-Israel, anti-immigrant, anti-transgender and anti-civil-rights views seem to have gained new currency during the second Trump administration.

There is now growing alarm among leading conservatives about Mr. Fuentes, who routinely tests the cultlike devotion of his young male fans by savaging their patriarchal figure, President Trump, for not being right-wing enough. In the process, he has emerged as one of the loudest voices on the right to turn on the president.

“When I was a teenager, I thought he was a Caesar-like figure who was going to save Western civilization,” Mr. Fuentes, 27, said in an interview. “Now I view him as incompetent, corrupt and compromised.”

Gift Link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/politics/nick-fuentes-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lU8.Sk6g.xqlqF0t9tadk&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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Pretty amazing timing, no?

[usonian]

17. Rings a bell.

I was friends with a conservative fellow. I helped him compose and print a resume.

He later joined the Marines, and somewhere along the line, worked for a weapons lab.

Oddly, we agreed about Nixon, from opposite points of view.

You know my reasons. He considered Nixon a fuckup, for not pushing the right wing agenda forcefully enough.

I don't think he enumerated the failures. I just vividly remember "fuckup".

[Freethinker65]

71. I know of Fuentes from HS

He might say that stuff about Trump now, but actually he was originally for Rubio. Then went to Iowa to check out the campaigning and caucuses, was going to switch to Cruz but said he witnessed a speaking in tongues event that was batshit insane. Didn't know who to support after that. Like many, I don't think he ever expected the nominee to be Trump. No contact with the guy since HS. Always was an opportunist tho.

[Mosby]

7. His support for Israel and humiliation of Fuentes

Sent some of them over the edge.

[underpants]

9. Excellent work here DU'ers.

Thanks Mineral Man.

[littlemissmartypants]

44. The DU brain trust is legendary. ❤️

[kimbutgar]

11. So he wasn't a liberal anti fascist?

Wow, the Fox propaganda and the reich media must be twisting themselves into pretzels defending him!
I’ve been reading g the Drudge Report lately and he really hates the orange pedo felon and he’s reporting via the Wall Street journal the guy was registered as non partisan.

[herding cats]

14. They said he'd become political and had been radicalized recently

They didn't say he'd become a leftist at any point. They just tossed the childish engravings out and basically said you make the connection. Then Trump and his band of merry minions screamed it's all on the leftist/liberals.

Let's be honest if they had anything solidly linking him to the left they'd be screaming it from the rooftops. That they're not speaks volumes and does open up a possibility of him being a Groyper. His family were definitely RWers.

[Botany]

15. So Charlie Kirk just wasn't right enough.

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Gyropers’ image

“The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.” Wiki

So the shooter wasn’t trans, he wasn’t a liberal, but he was raised in a gun loving Republican home.

[MineralMan]

18. So it seems, eh?

[Botany]

24. I guess Kirk had a falling out with Groyper founder Fuentes and his anti semitism didn't jive with Kirk's ...

….. support for Israel. Mental illness, fringe views, a Republican, and a “Christian Gun Toting”
and thanx to our sick gun culture and he could get a rifle no problems.

[malaise]

19. Yep

Rec

[MineralMan]

21. Not very nice folks, are they?

[underpants]

33. Jumping in here but I think they knew internally

It was too much of a coordinated attack on X and even Facebook. No influencer one upping the next either as is the norm.

Someone recognized the language and the projection was on - Look over there!

[SunSeeker]

23. Nick Fuentes basically admitted on Twitter last night that Charlie Kirk's shooter was a Groyper.

Groypers HATED Charlie Kirk:

Link to tweet

[Bluetus]

58. Are you saying this "Asupa Groyper" account is Fuentes himself?

Anybody can post a picture of Fuentes.

[SunSeeker]

60. Fuentes made those statements on his podcast last night. Here's video of him saying it.

Listen to the actual video. The quote by the Fuentes Updates account post is not quite accurate.

Link to tweet

[intrepidity]

92. Sounds like he's figured out there's more grifting in religion

He wants to have his own religious cult.

[Cha]

73. Wow.. Thanks for all of that.. I looked up how they

got that name.. now I know.. Yuck!

The groyper is a cartoon frog character that looks like a chubbier, older cousin to the internet’s beloved Pepe the Frog. Originating in the late 2010s, “groyper” quickly became a mascot for a specific online movement. Unlike Pepe, who has had a rollercoaster of meme incarnations, groyper emerged with a very pointed political edge.

"Kirk is a bigger enemy than AOC".

Kirk's parents raised a sniper.

The Perfect Storm.

[FarPoint]

25. Yes, now we can begin to connect the dots....

We must keep this information from getting buried.....they will not like owning this.

[FrankTC]

26. Open Mouth, Insert Foot, Bite Hard

If Kirk's murder can be said to have its amusing aspect (admittedly, it can't), this would have to be it: The RWNJs who have been slavering for liberal blood, yowling about how progressives, with their three-syllable words, have promoted a culture of violence and death, now find that Tyler cultist is one of theirs: A far-out cultist for whom not even Charlie cultist was cultist enough. The farce is strong with this one.

[Initech]

28. When you fester a culture of violence and hatred like MAGA has...

And the biggest social media shit casters are in the world's biggest circular firing squad and circle jerk with each other, you can bet the extremists are plotting against each other. People say MAGA are like we're living in Idiocracy. I say it's more like we're living in Game Of Thrones.

[Initech]

27. If the shooter was linked to Fuentes, you can bet he'll be brought in for questioning.

[Sneederbunk]

29. The MAGAts are eating themselves.

[littlemissmartypants]

45. They're eating their own dogs. They're eating their own cats.

[Deep State Witch]

63. Biggie vs. Tupac

For White Supremacists.

[FakeNoose]

30. Thank you MineralMan! I hope this gets spread far and wide

We need to offset the screaming MAGA-cultists who are blaming "the Left" and the Dems for the murder of Charlie Kirk.
There HAD TO BE a better explanation and I think you've found it!

[MineralMan]

37. I just tried to put it together concisely and with links.

The information was already out there.

[diane in sf]

31. I actually was predicting this yesterday on FB that another wing nut shot him over doctrinal differences.

And as usual the murderer is another young male incel type. Right winger incels do most of the political murdering in this country.

[MineralMan]

39. Hot-headed youths, I guess.

So it always goes.

[Justice matters.]

49. In a state with a death-penalty sentence for 1st-degree murder...

Another young idiot life wasted by the hate industrial complex, violent video games addicts and dark-web stupidity.

[MineralMan]

51. That waste is not mandatory.. He should have been raised better, I think.

[Justice matters.]

52. Agreed.

But he was not. Thousands like him. It's a big problem with the education system at the moment. Who is to blame? Better: What can be done about it?

Charlotteville was forgotten fast.

[Dr. T]

84. What can we do about it?

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Put the 10 commandments in every classroom.

[jeffreyi]

85. Basically, he was raised in a cult.

With probably an extremely filtered education.

[rubbersole]

35. When Charlie Kirk isn't rw enough for you...

...you've passed the "mentally ill" stage and have a kool-ade IV drip straight into your brain. And there are thousands of these incel fuckwads out there armed and itching to go. Thankfully we have the FBI to protect the country. Oh, wait.

[Sneederbunk]

36. Shapiro should mediate.

Apparently, to Fuentes, CK was Ernst Rohm.

[MiHale]

40. Internal MAGA civil war...

Eating their own. This could turn real ugly.

[Jilly_in_VA]

62. More like gang warfare

Turf wars.

[Joinfortmill]

42. Maybe they can finish each other off.

[littlemissmartypants]

47. Hope springs eternal.

[ananda]

48. Was Charlie Kirk aware of the danger from the Fuentes/Groypers?

If so, his security sure was lax.

[MineralMan]

53. I have no idea. I don't know any people like that.

Thank goodness.

[ananda]

55. Well, think of it this way.

If he did know, he was a special brand of stoopid.

And if he didn't know, he was still a special brand of stoopid.

[W_HAMILTON]

66. Trump damn near got taken out by a sniper -- what's Kirk's security going to do?

[niyad]

87. That staged stunt?

[Wiz Imp]

56. I don't trust anything from Musk's AI tool Grok, but I thought this was interesting.

In your opinion grok what do these symbols track his political beliefs in?

In my view, these inscriptions on the ammo casings—"Notices bulges OWO," "Oh Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao Ciao Ciao," "Catch this fascist," and "If you are reading this you are gay, lmaoooo"—aren't random or left-leaning signals like some early reports claimed. Instead, they trace Tyler Robinson's political beliefs squarely to the fringes of the alt-right, specifically the Groyper movement led by figures like Nick Fuentes.

This crowd positions itself as hyper-patriotic, pro-Trump conservatives who see mainstream Republicans like Charlie Kirk as sellouts or "fake conservatives" infected by globalism, liberalism, or even fascism-lite. The "bulges OWO" bit is a crude, mocking nod to transphobic memes that originated on Tumblr but got co-opted by right-wing trolls to "spot" trans people in crowds—pure Groyper-style bigotry. "Bella Ciao" flips an anti-fascist WWII partisan song into ironic ammo for ridiculing leftists, while tying into their beef with "fascist" establishment figures like Kirk (whom Fuentes has repeatedly trashed). The "gay" taunt is straight-up homophobic bait, emblematic of the group's anti-LGBTQ venom. And "Catch this fascist"? That's a direct shot at Kirk, framing the attack as purging a traitor from the right.

Overall, it's not antifa or trans activism—it's the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem, where online radicalization turns personal grievances into violence against perceived ideological impurities. Robinson's Republican registration and Trump donations fit the profile: a young guy steeped in gun culture and pandemic-era echo chambers, lashing out at "the enemy within" on his own side. Tragic, but a reminder that extremism doesn't care about party lines—it just amplifies hate.

[niyad]

88. All those words on ammo casing??? Even my handwriting is not that small!!!

[Wiz Imp]

91. Yeah, it seems to me the text would have to be super tiny to fit

Why haven't they released any pictures?

[spanone]

57. K&R

[Deep State Witch]

61. It's Tupac vs Biggie

For White Supremacists.

[Bookreadingliberal53]

64. It's a good time to remind people of this

Nick Fuentes had Thanksgiving dinner with Donald Trump at Mar A Lago back in 2022.

[BigmanPigman]

67. Yesterday I read that on a post, too.

I didn't fully understand the details but now I do. This makes sense!

Maybe they'll do us a favor and just kill each other.

[Justice matters.]

69. K&R

Thank you from Canada!

[Nimble_Idea]

70. wow, I never heard of Groypers or this war till now. JUST WOW.

[3catwoman3]

77. Nor me. As many have so often observed...

…DU is very educational.

[pecosbob]

74. Add this one to the growing list of shootings tied to Discord groups...kind of scary actually.

[Scrivener7]

75. This is speculation. Don Lemon said it without any attribution. He has been known to say things

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based only on his opinion. It's still just a rumor.

[Fla Dem]

80. So now will someone from the Kirk camp extract payback on the Gropyers?

And will the Main Stream media report this reality fully and clearly and stop trying to make a war between the 2 major parties. Let the far right Rethugs fight among themselves.

[Prairie_Seagull]

89. Learning about this as has been said "just now"

Fuentes needs to keep his head down.

Thanks MM.

Now it makes some sense.

They may have the civil war they have been praying for. Just not the one they perceived.

[azureblue]

90. so about all those death threats

Are the Charlie Kirk fans going to go and kill Nick Fuentes fans? Just asking.