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ananda

(35,393 posts)
4. Yes, they are all "like that."
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:47 PM
Sep 2025

Totally psychotic and violent, and thinking
of themselves as soldiers for white Christ.

Bluetus

(3,010 posts)
10. Bunch of phychotic MFrs. Even if you give them some grace for having to speak in the midst of such upheaval
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:14 PM
Sep 2025

Last edited Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:57 AM - Edit history (2)

Who thinks like this?

And the Mormons don't want others to think of them as a cult?

Here is a translation:

We are special people, not like other Christians, and certainly not like all those brown people. I mean, God chose us above everybody else. He gave Joseph Smith special seer stones that allowed him to get messages directly from God in secret code that nobody else can see or hear. After seeing Charlie Kirk gunned down, I used by special Mormon powers to talk to God directly. I told him, "God, I don't know why you killed Charlie Kirk. I guess you had your own reasons and I'm cool with that. But, can you please not have the killer be one of us special people because, you know, we are special." And frankly I am baffled why God did this to us Utahns, because, you know, we are special. We have seer stones..


How can this be something a government official even says out loud?

Irish_Dem

(82,023 posts)
13. Yes. We pay officials to be calm in a crisis. It is called LEADERSHIP.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 05:01 AM
Sep 2025

This guy is not eligible to be a dog catcher.
Dogs deserve way better than this idiot.

Bluetus

(3,010 posts)
14. I don't care if my surgeon is a devout religious person
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 12:04 PM
Sep 2025

But if he/she is operating on me, I don't want them praying about it. I want their ("God given&quot intellect completely focused on applying all the best science, medicines, and techniques to preserve my health.

If it helps them to privately pray in the morning or before bed, do transcendental meditation, yoga, jog, lift weights, read a book, play WORDL, do Elvis impersonations, or anything else to get their head in the right place for their important life-saving work, I'm cool with any of that. But when you have the scalpel in hand, I'm not looking for a prayer.

And when the Governor has had a crime such as this, dismissing this as a failed prayer request is an insult to every person he supposedly is working for. If he wants to be a preacher, there are plenty of jobs available. That's not what a Governor does.

Irish_Dem

(82,023 posts)
15. A quick prayer may calm their nerves and help them focus.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 01:17 PM
Sep 2025

The research is there that a quick mantra, meditation, repetitive phrase helps
in a stressful situation. Includes prayers. They are all the same thing.

Bluetus

(3,010 posts)
16. In this case, the Governor's statement is like a surgeon saying,
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 03:54 PM
Sep 2025

"God, I don't care if the patient dies, but please let it happen after the patient is out of recovery so I won't have to answer any questions about it. Thank you, God, for your attention to this matter."

That is what the Governor is saying. He doesn't care about Kirk. He doesn't care there was a brutal murder. His only request of God is that some other person in some other state be blamed for it. It just seems like a rather strange request of a god. But that's what we get when we intertwine government and religion.

I mean, in most religions, a prayer is more like "God, give me the strength to do my duty with patience, wisdom, and compassion." Not "God, please rig this thing so somebody else is held accountable." But this is what religious fanaticism looks like -- people who literally hear voices from gods and fully expect their gods to actively intervene to vanquish their enemies.

Do you understand why some of us would find this truly disgusting? And let's make no mistake about it. There are many rift lines in our society. But in this particular case, this appears to be 100% a religious war -- a fight between two groups of Christian fanatics. Christo-fascism isn't the cause of every problem we have, but it sure comes up a lot, considering Christianity was supposed to be about loving and kindness.

Irish_Dem

(82,023 posts)
17. The governor's statement is quite different from your hypothetical surgeon.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:02 PM
Sep 2025

The governor's statement is embarrassment that after all his hate rhetoric about POC,
and all his sanctimonious statements about white males that the shooter was
a white male

The governor has egg on his face and prayed that he would not be humiliated.
But he is humiliated and has to eat crow.

This is the psychology of his statement.

Yes using God to do the wrong thing or defend against evil is disgusting.
I would never argue otherwise.

Bluetus

(3,010 posts)
18. Asking God to do ANYTHING is offensive
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:17 PM
Sep 2025

because it reveals an attitude that one believes to have a special inside track with their God, putting them in front of the other 8 billion people on this planet and how many others in the universe?

Asking God to change events to avoid embarrassment is no different from Robert Tilton or Kenneth Copeland or Joel Osteen telling people that if they give the preacher money, God will in turn make them rich -- but you go first.

The religions I am familiar with -- including Christianity -- are all about the follower being a good person and living their life in a way that earns respect and benefits others. These religions are not about genies in the clouds that grant your every wish. When I see people acting that way in private life, it is disgusting. But when a government official starts calling upon gods to intervene in public policy, that is totally repugnant and should be unacceptable to everybody, regardless of their spiritual philosophy.

lapfog_1

(31,954 posts)
5. actually he first says
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:49 PM
Sep 2025

he PRAYED it would someone from "another state or came from another country".

Like maybe a BLUE state? They really are trying to gin up a war with liberals.

He goes on "that it wouldn't be one of US".

Who is the US he refers to? Utah residents? or just White Mormon/Christian conservatives?

Deuxcents

(27,469 posts)
7. Us vs them. Gotta have someone else to blame for your lack of leadership and the plague of gun violence
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:52 PM
Sep 2025

O..is it too soon for serious discussions? 🙃

B.See

(8,689 posts)
8. Worse STILL, NOT a minority.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:52 PM
Sep 2025

But not to worry. The racists and bigots who subscribed to his kind of (checks notes) "free speech"

will still find a reason to phone in threats to HBCUs and blame liberals for hate speech.

Skittles

(172,441 posts)
9. very odd for repukes to tell the truth
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:59 PM
Sep 2025

"we don't do that here" - WTF, GUN CARNAGE HAPPENS EVERYWHERE THANKS TO THE GUN HUMPING GOP

Tree Lady

(13,364 posts)
12. All I can say is this god everyone
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:38 PM
Sep 2025

Prays to doesn't seem to answer in the way most want god to.

I personally am more in naturalism and nature is my higher power.

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