Looks like those who guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj

[mwmisses4289]

were absolutely correct.

[RockRaven]

1. Look for a "he secretly pulled a 180, and was radicalized by the left" narrative.

Those in charge of further investigation and prosecution will be ideologically, and career advancement-wise, motivated to service that narrative.

[relayerbob]

12. Oh, they already are

[Attilatheblond]

20. Yep, blaming his exposure to leftist college professors

1) He only attended one semester in college

2) Leftist college professors? In Utah? Can't see that happening much. Maybe ONE leftist college professor, probably an anthropologist.

[IbogaProject]

23. They Have to shift blame

It couldn't have been his Parents, Preacher, or their hunting buddies.

[Amaryllis]

72. Or their ideology.

[Diraven]

16. On Fox News they're claiming

He was "indoctrinated" in violent far-left liberal ideology because he went to 1 semester of community college (before dropping out), 3 years ago, in the most conservative state in the country.

[spooky3]

17. I saw a professor's post that said, "if I could indoctrinate my students, I'd make them read the syllabus." nt

[mchill]

34. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[róisín_dubh]

47. It's true

[BlueKota]

54. I saw a post from a second grade teacher

who said, "if I really had the power to indoctrinate my students, why do I have to repeat the same instructions three times, and still have them staring at me with total confusion in their eyes?"🤣

[moose65]

77. I posted something similar on threads earlier

I’m a college instructor. Apparently I have the power to change a student’s entire belief system in one semester, but I can’t get them to come to class or turn in their assignments on time 🙄

[Celerity]

25. not community college: Utah State University

In 2021, Mr. Robinson’s mother posted a video of her son reading a letter in which he said he had received a presidential scholarship to Utah State University worth $32,000. But a university spokeswoman said that Mr. Robinson only attended the university for one semester in 2021, as a pre-engineering major. The school is roughly two hours away from Utah Valley University, where the shooting took place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/us/politics/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk.html

[AdamGG]

40. Quick.....have the National Guard occupy Utah!! n/t

[calimary]

81. Gotta be nice when you have - or are provided - excuses to exclaim horrible behavior.

Blame the far-left.

Blame the community college.

How convenient! Explain-Aways Made Easy!

It’s not your fault, even though it was YOU who
-swallowed the bullshit,
-allowed it to upset you and didn’t seek help or counseling,
-acquired the gun
-acquired the shooting expertise,
-got your ass up on the rooftop of one of the campus buildings,
-found the best place to take aim,
-found a way to get the hell outta there with a minimum of injury OR visibility,
-and remained on the lam for hours before being located and arrested.

Hey, excuse-seekers! The moral of this story is that you CAN decide, set up, and commit evil, and then assert that something else unfair to you or done to you or denied you made you do it. So how can it be your fault then, ‘eh?

And MAYBE you can even get away with it. At least for awhile.

[SeattleVet]

21. That's already being pushed on the rwnj sites I monitor.

Along with claims that his mother must have been the one that 'groomed' him. Bunch of freaking idiots trying to find a way to keep blame from what Kirk's rhetoric had planted.

[Jack Valentino]

43. Actually, I am finding arguments from other posters who say that

he was a follower of Nick Fuentes, and thus thought Kirk to be
"not far right enough"--- to be somewhat convincing!

Heck, maybe he was a follower of Laura Looney Loomer,
who attacked Kirk several months ago (before deleting those Tweets)
for being a traitor to Donald Trump--- and THAT inspired him to the act....


ANYWAY, starting to look a lot like "right on right violence" to me....

I don't have a dog in that "hunt".

[PortTack]

74. Have seen that on other sites as well. It's gang violence period.

My leader doesn’t like your leader, for various reasons. Members are radicalized and if a member happens to go out, shoot and kill the leader of the rival gang…well, so be it.

[LogDog75]

39. Yeah, those liberal electrican instructors

radicalized him with their talk about alternating current.

[gab13by13]

52. Nope, DC current 😁

[reACTIONary]

73. AC-DC - Swings both ways.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

67. "The Left", is anyone that uses their head a bit to figure things out...

... so the shooter woke up a bit. No wonder the RNC/GOP/Project 2025/Heritage Foundation are all up in arms of people being, "WOKE".

[bucolic_frolic]

2. It takes rigid, authoritarian, paranoid minds

to set out and execute someone in a premeditated manner. No ambiguity. You are right and want the other guy dead.

Generally, liberals understand shades of gray, there is ambiguity in most things in their lives. They are not good candidates for assassins.

IMHO, of course.

[multigraincracker]

32. Critical Thinking.

O

[Cosmocat]

45. That was basically my point

I made w some friends before we found out the kid came in.

[harumph]

60. I think it's more accurate to say that in general, left leaners are slower to resort to violence

because they're smart enough to know where it leads. But to say that left leaning folks are not capable of that kind of premeditated violence...I have a bridge you might be interested in.

[sop]

76. The right has been accusing the left of being cowardly, pacifist pansies for decades.

Suddenly, we're all supposed to be bloodthirsty killers.

[Sneederbunk]

3. Was he radicalized by Fuentes?

[Farmer-Rick]

14. I think he was radicalized by his family

The Grandma came out and said the family was all right-winger Trump supporters. Then there are pictures of him with all sorts of weapons and guns from childhood to adulthood.

His father is in construction and his mother works with disabled people. They have a huge house that looks like they have a lot of wealth. They are Mormons and are probably well connect in the church.

Maybe they weren't as bad and neglectful as Jennifer and James Crumbley but they certainly have many similar characteristics.

[Cosmocat]

46. I dont get the sense they got him there

They certainly immersed him in MAGA, but it's becoming clear he got sucked into the new age extremist right that targets young white males.

[pat_k]

31. He was so young. A weird combo of Groyper Army, gaming culture, and manosphere...

...that we may never get a handle on.

Link to tweet

[FadedMullet]

35. Wow, Ellie Reeve's observation is a good one, particularly for the RWNJ who are blaming the left.

[pat_k]

36. She seems to know of what she speaks.

An AI overview

Elle Reeve's expertise lies in investigative journalism, particularly focusing on social issues, politics, and the connection between social media and white nationalism, as evidenced by her work on the documentary Right Now, her reporting on the 2017 Charlottesville rally and the January 6th Capitol attack, and her role as a correspondent for CNN. Her background includes working at prestigious publications like The New Republic and The Wire before joining Vice News and subsequently CNN, and she is also the author of the book Black Pill.

Key areas of expertise:

Right-wing extremism and white nationalism
Reeve is known for her in-depth coverage of these movements, including her work at the 2017 Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally and the January 6th Capitol attack.

Social media's impact on extremism
Her expertise includes understanding how online platforms contribute to the rise of radical movements.

Documentary filmmaking
She produced the documentary Right Now, which explores the rise of the American alt-right.

Investigative reporting
Her career includes roles as a senior editor at The New Republic and politics editor at The Wire, highlighting her investigative journalism skills.

[Norrrm]

59. Nick Fuentes, republican, white supremacist, misogynist, antisemite, Holocaust denier.

Nick Fuentes, republican, white supremacist, misogynist, antisemite, Holocaust denier.

A guest at Trump's personal Thanksgiving table.

Nick Fuentes... Way too much explanation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/comments/umw2br/nick_fuentes_having_sex_with_women_is_gay/

[Clouds Passing]

63. Pretzelogic

[Ligyron]

75. Steely Dan much?

[Clouds Passing]

78. I do

[uponit7771]

4. And this is important because of the violence that comes from the right is way more than from the left

[tonekat]

19. I am seeing bothsiderism comments in the NYT

I asked one for a list of assassinations by the left, and that he couldn't include Sacco and Vanzetti.

[MaineBlueBear]

5. Statistical likelihood was in favor.

75% rwnj
20% Islamic
4% left wing
1% other

Their governor was hoping it was an immigrant.

[Nimble_Idea]

9. lol yeah, i heard that. stupid rat Gov. but...he did give other good points.

[pat_k]

33. This won't be popular, but I want to step in and defend Spencer Cox

I highly recommend this forum. Time codes for sections below.

Wes Moore's promotion and work to expand funding for a service year after high school is something that is truly a step in the right direction. And Spencer Cox has championed a similar program in Utah.

The entire program is worthwhile, but the section with Spencer Cox and Wes Moore (14:01 to 51:29) is a must see for anyone looking for signs of hope in a bleak political landscape.

With Malice Toward None, With Charity for All, 2/21/24
https://www.youtube.com/live/8SFSkWxUxeo

37 minutes
14:01 to 51:29
Keynote: Spencer Cox and Wes Moore

44 minutes
52:15 to 1:28:44
Panel
Dr. Timothy Shriver
Ruth Okejiji
Rachel Brand
Donna Brazile

1:28:30 to 1:55:00
Panel
Rev. Dr. David McAllister-Wilson
Joshua Dubois
Peter Wehner
Judge Thomas Griffith
Dr. Timothy Shriver

[Silent Type]

6. Interesting that one white wing racist assassinated another.

[roamer65]

8. Not racist enough for a racist

🤪🤪🤪🤪

[XCSki]

11. Saying

What’s that saying? God works in mysterious ways as does a rwnj with a gun?

[Silent Type]

29. In the end, I think this guy will turn out to be like most of similar shooters, young, living at home,

referred to rightly or wrongly as an incel, looking for notice, needing treatment, etc.

[LogDog75]

41. He shared an apartment with a friend 10 minutes from his parents' home

[W_HAMILTON]

44. Gee, and what else do those types also have in common?

[markodochartaigh]

7. I guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj.

Now I'm going to make another, and more difficult prediction: the sun will rise in the morning.

[JanMichael]

10. Remember the old Bolsheviks?

When one group takes over they start killing themselves.

[Norrrm]

55. When you finally get a utopia of like-minded people, they will soon split into two main groups of true believers. The m

When you finally get a utopia of like-minded people, they will soon split into two main groups of true believers. The main examples would be politics and religion.

[StarryNite]

13. I was way off.

I guessed a hired hit man.

[Greg_In_SF]

15. No professional

hitman would jump off a roof like that risking a leg injury that could lead him to be easily caught. Same goes for leaving shoe, palm, etc. prints.

[RandiFan1290]

48. Nope

Just another right wing moron

[ms liberty]

18. My thinking was if it had been one if us

It would have been an older person with a terminal illness and a near term end-date if you know what I mean.
But, I always expected it to be a magat, either disillusioned or internal warfare. They seem to believe in violence.

[Picaro]

22. Knew it before the news came out

We don’t have a violent leftist movement in this country. The knee jerk urge to violence is very much a right wing thing these days.

I had absolute confidence that it was a right winger that committed the murder.

[Delarage]

24. Same.

I wasn't sure who he was, TBH. When I heard "Charlie Kirk Assassinated" I assumed he was a Democratic politician somewhere killed by a white nationalist. Then when I heard he was a Trumper/Wingnut/White Nationalist, I assumed it was an inside job (but wasn't sure why). Then when I heard he was pushing the Epstein story even though it displeased the Fuhrer, I was 99% sure it was because of that.

[blubunyip]

27. Yep, me too

based on known statistics about these incidents of high profile gun violence.

Right wing crazies and terrorists have been keeping everyone hostage for a long time in America. And with the rise of the Rump regime, it's no surprise that it's a whole lot worse.

Elect a rapist, get f__ed.
------------

Google: "High-profile gun violence in the US is marked by frequent mass shootings that have devastated communities nationwide. The rate of mass shootings and gun deaths has increased significantly since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, with firearms surpassing car accidents as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents."

[yourout]

26. What do I win?

[Queso Delicioso]

28. I'm honestly a little disappointed.

But I guess it's for the best.

[AncientOfDays]

30. He was a Groyper

Kirk wasn't conservative enough for him.

[RandomNumbers]

50. Link?

okay, I just got on DU today and am skimming the threads. I see that he is id'd as a far-reich-winger but haven't opened a thread yet that had a link to a credible source. WaPo has an article that sort of supports that but doesn't say it definitively.
I'll keep looking and will probably find it, but if you have a link, please post it?

(and I didn't know what Groyper is but I see there is a DU post ... I will check that)

[Heidi]

57. Link

A Facebook photo in which Robinson appears to reference a Groyper meme has led to early speculation that Kirk’s killing may have been an outgrowth of these intra-far-right skirmishes.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-memes-meaning

Also:

the suspected Charlie Kirk shooter has been identified as 22 year old Tyler Robinson from Utah

very little in his family socials other than that Tyler was very online and dressed up on Halloween specifically to emulate this meme

knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultur...

— Robert Evans (the Only Robert Evans) (@iwriteok.bsky.social) 2025-09-12T13:53:48.522Z

?utm_source=www.garbageday.email&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme

[RandomNumbers]

58. Thanks! will read it.

[keep_left]

71. David Shuster posted something (yesterday, IIRC) about this.

I wish I had saved the link. It was posted here as well.

Shuster claimed anonymous sources, but at least two (cops, family, maybe others) of them claiming that Robinson was influenced by/a follower of Fuentes and/or Groyper ideology. (God, I feel like I'm going insane just writing this...it's hard to believe people actually fall for this stuff!).

[AncientOfDays]

82. lots of articles

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/a-maga-groyper-charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinsons-political-leaning-unclear-nick-fuentes-reacts-to-pure-evil/articleshow/123870131.cms

a google search on "robertson groyper" will get you thousands of links.

[Old Crank]

37. 85% chance you would be right.

Should be hard to get a taker on the other side of that bet..

[AdamGG]

42. Maybe they'll agree to withhold the death penalty

if he pleads to being a leftist.

[RandiFan1290]

49. The trolls are losing their mind over calling him a "Groyper"

Must be right over the target!

[eppur_se_muova]

51. Sucker bet. Missed an opportunity to sucker a MAGAt. nt

[Emile]

53. Anyone with common sense could see that.

[Norrrm]

56. White, Christian, gun rights supporter, Second Amendment solution. republican family, Trumpster, straight, non-trans,

White, Christian, gun rights supporter, Second Amendment solution. republican family, Trumpster, straight, non-trans, non-democrat conservative doing a 'favor' to Trump?

Kirk has been publicly against Trump on releasing the Epstein files.
============================
The governor prayed that the killer be an immigrant.

Now that the killer is one of them, he has now come out for less violent rhetoric.

Link to tweet

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

61. I'm going with MAGA-cide. Kirk the MAGA killed by another MAGA. Something Trump/GOP never figured on.

Trump and the GOP need to buy a vowel and get a clue that the hatred they are stoking could come back and bite them in the ass, or in Trump's case—in the ear!

[rickford66]

62. It was obvious to my friends and me.

We never even paid attention to Kirk, so who cared what he said or did. Plus, even the liberals I know who own guns, aren't obsessed with them.

[Texin]

64. I didn't think the shooter would necessarily be a MAGA head case, but given the venue and the state where

it happened, I thought it would probably be some young male with a fairly extensive background in handling a variety of guns and experience in hunting.

[Jrsygrl96]

65. Me! Immediately!

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

66. Yep...

... my only surprise is that he didn't run off to Idaho to hide. Mentioned that to my 86 year old dad the afternoon of the incident. He had a good cackling chuckle from my comment.

[Callie1979]

68. There is little to nothing factual showing that this guy was a MAGA or anything else.

but there HAS been a a lot of fake shit spread around about him. There really isnt much so far to see

[Gimpyknee]

83. You're absolutely correct.

[Yorkie Mom]

69. They may have guesed, but could still be wrong.

We do NOT know this.

[mwb970]

70. That was my first thought.

[I-teach-kids]

79. He was braver than many..

To have a trans partner, based on his family leanings.

Wonder what friction that caused.

[Groundhawg]

80. That's not the stories i'm seeing.