Why the story about the writings on Kirk's killer shell casings was a total lie. My guess, right wing b.s..

[Botany]

It was reported to be a .30 caliber round. The shell casing holds the round together including the
slug aka the bullet, the gun powder, and the primer. According to reports only one round was fired
and that spent shell casing was found in the rifle that was used.

It appears the shooter was raised in a Republican home, with 2 parents, steeped in a
“guns are good” culture from a young age, and his brain was so fucked up by extreme
right wing gibberish of the Gyroper* movement of Nick Fuentes that Charlie Kirk just
wasn’t right wing enough and maybe that Kirk’s support of Israel bothered his antisemitism
@ the time time of the shooting that somehow it all made sense to him.

Mental illness and guns are never a good thing. Shame on all those people and media
outlets that promoted the lie about writings on the shell casings. And shame on Trump
and the different media outlets for promoting Kirk as some kind of good man but in truth
he was just another Rush Limbaugh who spread lies and hate for money.

* Gyropers’ image

“The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.” Wiki

Sorry to . Botany =

[Irish_Dem]

1. FBI knew quickly it was a MAGA shooter, so Patel/Trump had to get a few days of ugly propaganda out.

[Botany]

2. My own mental illness made me think that the shooter was a pro brought in to change the subject from ...

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… Epstein. Too bad that the head of the anti terrorism unit for the FBI was just fired
by Kash Patel prior to the shooting.

[Irish_Dem]

5. We knew fairly quickly he was not a pro.

He was a good shot but made stupid mistakes right away.
Left his gun with prints to be found.
And his picture was all over the stairwell next to shooting location.

He was a good shot with some good luck.
The rest was pure amateur hour.

That said, I think it is likely that there are bad actors online who rile up young people on the internet
to the point they will start shooting sprees.

These are probably Russian and Chinese agents.
So you could be right.

[Botany]

9. A must see

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132288261

[Irish_Dem]

11. Yes this is exactly what I am talking about when I say the shooter had good luck.

He had time to make a good clean getaway.
If he had made an escape plan.

He could have been out of the country by the time Patel got
away from his fine dining and swag. And figured out what
the H the FBI does.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. Are we now ready to say it out loud?

Extreme right-wing views are a sign of mental illness.

[MichMan]

4. Seems like a really odd set of messages to make up

If the FBI was just going to make something up, why would they choose obscure arcane messages like that?

The Utah Department of Public Safety said in a Sept. 11, 2025, news release that it could not provide further details on "inscriptions" featured in reports about the weapon and ammunition used to kill Kirk.

Then, on Sept. 12, Cox confirmed investigators found inscriptions on four bullet casings. Investigators found the casings alongside a Mauser 98 30.06 bolt-action hunting rifle that matched the description of a weapon that Robinson had messaged about with his roommate.

According to Cox, the single fired bullet casing read, "Notices bulges OWO what's this?" Three unfired bullet casings read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows, "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao" and "If you read this you are gay LMAO."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inscriptions-found-on-bullet-casings-in-charlie-kirk-shooting-what-we-know/ar-AA1MrzBo?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[RandomNumbers]

6. WaPo article has details about the markings

If you can't access it, basically the markings (as well as that Italian song) seem to reference bits from a particular video game. The shooter was apparently immersed in a subculture around this game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-utah/

In addition to that casing, which included arrow symbols, the affidavit said another unfired casing read: “If you read This, you are GAY Lmao.” The writing uses the flippant, sarcastic language of online and gaming culture adopted by other people accused of recent bloodshed, said Amy Cooter, a counterterrorism expert and deputy director of the Institute for Countering Digital Extremism. Cooter said the phrases may sound like gibberish to the uninitiated but suggest someone steeped in the code of the internet and video game forums.

The fired casing had the phrase “Notices Buldge OWO what’s this?” according to the affidavit. The phrase appears to misspell the word “bulge.” That is online speak suggesting sexual excitement resulting from a win or success, Cooter said. The reference to being gay echoes common language online, Cooter said.

The arrows on the casing reading “hey fascist!” are consistent with the button sequences used to drop bombs in the game “Helldivers 2,” a popular satirical game in which super-soldiers battle aliens.

[MichMan]

7. The OP indicates that the FBI just made it up

Why would they make up something about a particular video game ? Wouldn't they make up something much more direct and anti RW instead?

[RandomNumbers]

8. I think "total lie" is not exactly the same as "just made it up"

Also they referred to "the story about the writings on the ...casings", not the FBI report.

I assumed that they referred to the initial story claiming the shell casings had "trans" messages on them. Which is, in fact, a total lie, if the WaPo article is correct. That story was used to claim the shooter was a left winger, which WaPo and other sources seem to credibly debunk.

[Whiskeytide]

16. I have an unsubstantiated theory on the ...

… trans bullshit. I saw several photos that showed shells bearing a mfr marking of TRN. I think it’s possible - if the shell casing at issue had this marking - that a stupid FBI agent interpreted this as a trans reference.

That fits nicely into the reality that most competent FBI investigators have been purged and replaced with morons.

Again - unsubstantiated as a theory. But I’m thinking that’s what happened.

[Botany]

10. Excuse me. Where did I mention the FBI in my O.P.?

And the story about the writings on the shell casings was 100% made up.

[stopdiggin]

34. major news sources (and officials) continue to report on writing

found on shell casings - including giving specifics as far as wording. (and it appears that this is not the first such incidence involving public shootings where such has appeared) I'm not sure why that is being disputed.

[Kingofalldems]

35. We have active gatekeepers.

[MichMan]

42. You also didn't mention what stories and which lies

Leaving it up to the reader to guess

[LeftInTX]

12. It doesn't surprise me that he was a non-voter. A lot of these types have strong opinions, but don't vote.

They would talk politics, Luke said, and discuss their “frustration with the system,” particularly feeling let down by the two major political parties. Robinson did not appear to like “hateful people” and “people who would talk down” to others, said Luke, 22.

I do campaign volunteering. In my encounters, some of Trump's strongest supporters were non-voters. It's weird. One guy harassed me. He was not even a registered voter. But boy, he sure had opinions on SM.

[murielm99]

26. I have found the same thing.

I am a precinct committee person. I canvas and get petition signatures. Often, I am harassed by right wingers. In many cases I find they are not voters. I never volunteer to register them. If they ask me to register them, then of course I do. I tell my husband the same thing. Do not ask them if they are registered voters. Let them shoot off their mouths. That is about all that many of them ever do.

[viva la]

18. Also, how small did he write?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. What do you mean, the writing on the shell casing was a total lie? Where was this reported?

[RandomNumbers]

15. Poster said "the story about ..." was a total lie.

That is true if the poster is talking about one of the stories claiming the markings were pro-trans. I saw one of those stories early on. It was a total lie because the markings have since been identified rather conclusively as relating to a video game the shooter was known to play extensively.

[Botany]

17. The Wall Street Journal reported it as a fact. They have retracted the story.

Now who from the Trump Administration (my guess) spread that lie? And what Russian Bot operation
Fox News type of media, and right wing shits amplified that message along with the shooter was a
trans person and was influenced by liberals?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Okay I'm getting thrown by "total lie." As I understand it, the government first alleged that there were trans symbols

on the cartridges. That was false; they were makers marks. But there WAS some writing; that was grouper stuff. Am I misunderstanding something?

[Botany]

24. As far as I can tell is that no writing on inscriptions were found on any of the shell casings.

N/t

[stopdiggin]

37. I think this is where you're running into trouble ..

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said inscriptions were found on at least four shell casings linked to Tyler Robinson, 22, who was arrested early Friday in connection with the killing. One engraving read, “Hey fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓,” a seeming reference, at least in part, to a video game that's been interpreted as a satire of fascism.

Authorities said the rounds were found with a Mauser Model 98 bolt-action rifle, fitted with a scope, that investigators recovered in a wooded area on the edge of Utah Valley University’s campus. The gun was wrapped in a dark-colored towel.

In addition to the engraving referencing fascists, Cox also referred to engravings that contained more obscure references.

On the fired casing, for instance, a message read: “notices, bulges, OWO, what’s this?”

The writing appears to be a reference to a meme about the online furry subculture and online role-play, said Jamie Cohen, an assistant professor of media studies at Queens College who researches memes. The meme has largely been used as a method of mockery and trolling, though its relevance to Kirk or the shooting is unclear.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-fascism-memes-bullets-tyler-robinson-rcna230950

[Igel]

14. ID was Mauser 30.06.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-weapon-mauser-bolt-action-rifle/86110091007/

Not the smaller .30 caliber.

[Botany]

19. Thank you

I had seen someplace it was a .30 caliber bolt action rifle. Guess not everything on the
internet is true.

[herding cats]

21. See below.

It's true but not what one might assume. It's confusing. The 30-06 (far right shell) was the one used.

[herding cats]

20. The 30 carbine is also a .30 caliber bullet technically

But that's just a reference to it's diameter and has nothing to do with the cartridges. Which is where the power comes from to drive the bullet. That 30 carbine would never have been able to make the shot from the distance which killed Kirk.

I can see how it gets confusing for people.

[Botany]

25. The U.S. Army used .30 caliber rifles in WW II and they were deadly from 200 yards.

N/t

[herding cats]

32. I'm speaking of the shell, the .30 caliber in your graphic.

Both the .30 carbine and the 30-06 are .30 cal bullets. One has a lot more power, which means distance and accuracy than the other.

For example in WWII the M1 Garand .30 cal shot a 30-06 shell and was a distance rifle.

The M1 Carbine, which shoots a .30 carbine was best at 100 yards.

Wasn't disagreeing with you, I was merely pointing out both the .30-06 shell at the far right and the .30 carbine are .30 caliber. The .30-06 is what was used in this instance and it's confusing for some outlets to just report it as a .30 caliber.

[ancianita]

23. Just because THIS FBI says what caliber it was, doesn't mean they're to be trusted until the ATF proves

the bullet in Kirk's body is the same bullet that was shot from the weapon the FBI found.
Which means that ATF ballistics must give both a written verification that the bullet in Kirk's body has the same unique markings that exist in the gun barrel of the weapon the FBI "found," and provide both as evidence (not just the FBI's "expert opinion&quot in the state or federal criminal filing.

Don't be sorry. It's good to think these things through, both fact and opinion.
It helps others do the same.

[Walleye]

27. Let's see some pictures of these inscriptions.

I’m thinking back to when they accused Abrego Garcia of being ms13 and they misinterpreted his tattoos deliberately

[GiqueCee]

28. It would appear...

... that the math involved was too complex for the right-wing idiots pretending to be journalists. There was ONE round fired, and the spent cartridge was still chambered, yet they persisted in claiming there were multiple shell casings. Where, pray tell, did they find these casings? If he was as experienced a marksman as these dimwits say, he would have policed his brass. But wait! There was ONE round fired, and the spent cartridge was still chambered.
Curiouser and curiouser... these jerk-offs can't even keep their lies straight.

[Greg_In_SF]

29. They said

only one round was fired, but that leaves four unspent cartridges in the firearm. I haven't heard a single report that said there were multiple shell casings...only multiple cartridges. Mausers hold five rounds.

[GiqueCee]

31. Did the magazine...

... contain those extra rounds? That's a report I haven't seen yet. Whatever. Fixating on pithy sayings on the cartridges is a distraction, but if they do exist, they might serve to strengthen any rebuttal of Right-wing claims that he was a Liberal. It's far more likely, given his demonstrated extremism, and his apparent adherence to Nick Fuentes' bullshit, that he punished Kirk for not being evil enough.

ON EDIT: I found a report that verifies that the .30-06 cartridges were, in fact, engraved, and "decoded", so there's that. But none of it is even remotely trans-oriented. The Right's efforts to deify Kirk are absurd. He was a malicious little bastard who repeatedly called for just the kind of violence that was ultimately visited upon him.

[littlemissmartypants]

30. Isn't it a gunner tradition...

To write messages on ammo?

I suspect that the Ukrainians do it every day.

🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻 Slava Ukraini! 🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻

[herding cats]

33. We should note the stupid crap written was internet memes.

Gaming stuff and memes. Not anti trans, not antifa, Internet memes.

[herding cats]

36. To your point I'm sharing how the narrative around the engravings has changed today.

Officials said they found, left with the gun, unfired ammunition that had been engraved with jokes and slang from internet memes as well as the words, “hey fascist! CATCH!”

Note how it's not pro trans or antifa as was first reported by the WSJ? That was pure bulshit propaganda, which I believe is your point here, right?

[Greg_In_SF]

38. Now they are

saying he was living with his trans partner who is 'fully cooperating' with the FBI.

Who knows what to believe these days?

[LeftInTX]

39. What???

[Greg_In_SF]

40. Yep

Washington Examiner, NY Post, TMZ, DemState, MSN, Economic Times, etc. are all running the story.

[LeftInTX]

41. Oh geez...

[Botany]

43. The anti Trans movement to demonize T-People by the right is shameful. They have to have a class of ...

… people to hate and blame their own bigotry on and much of is Russian in origin. Just like
Trump making immigrants* (brown ones) responsible for crimes and the degradation of America
on not unlike Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.

BTW as a straight white guy I had my “trans moment” about 10 years ago at my gym.
I was changing into more work out clothes and I was in my underwear and I nodded @
somebody I recognized and the person smiled and said . It until 1/2 an hour later I
realized that person used to be a woman I saw all the time and it was such a non problem
that it took me that long to realize he was a trans person. So what?

* BTW part 2 …. Trump used undocumented immigrants from Poland on Trump Tower in NYC
and undocumented immigrants from Costa Rica for his golf course in New Jersey.