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tulipsandroses

(8,298 posts)
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:48 AM Sep 2025

Kirk was bankrolled by a wealthy RW donor to build TPUSA. Do we have that on the left?

Our biggest problem is propaganda - From Fox, to OAN and online personalities -
Foster Friess Kick-Started Charlie Kirk's Turning Point Group - he gave this young man millions of dollars to spread hate.

Are there any wealthy democrats doing the same on the left?

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Kirk was bankrolled by a wealthy RW donor to build TPUSA. Do we have that on the left? (Original Post) tulipsandroses Sep 2025 OP
My brother has been demonstrating against Trump every weekend this summer Walleye Sep 2025 #1
He must be writing a lot of checks - yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #9
That's why I say to my Trumpian relative - "Easiest $1000 I ever made. And all for a few hours work". TheRickles Sep 2025 #19
That's a good answer, I like it Walleye Sep 2025 #21
But of course! Every liberal group and every single protester that shows up for any event tanyev Sep 2025 #2
I'm still waiting to get reimbursed for my posterboard and markers. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #6
Oh, those might only qualify for Sorosbucks. There's a link on his website. tanyev Sep 2025 #10
Thank you! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #11
Where the infamous George Soros SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2025 #3
Several of us had the same immediate thought. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #7
Great minds think alike SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2025 #12
The billionaires are part of the Trump Crime Syndicate. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #4
. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #5
It doesn't work for everyone. It works for the right wing becsuse it's mainly JI7 Sep 2025 #8
There have been many posts at DU about this over the years... keep_left Sep 2025 #13
air america was poisoned from the inside mopinko Sep 2025 #14
Please consider doing an OP about this, even a brief one... keep_left Sep 2025 #15
i dont really remember the details but mopinko Sep 2025 #16
The guy wanted to "flip" it from the start. FormerDittoHead Sep 2025 #30
i just remember hearing randi after it folded, mopinko Sep 2025 #33
Democracy Now! Is anti-Democratic Party. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #17
I follow DN only occasionally, so I'm aware of very little of this. keep_left Sep 2025 #20
It won't help us win elections! LeftInTX Sep 2025 #23
Well, that's what I'm arguing, when I talk about getting labor unions... keep_left Sep 2025 #27
I used to listen to her, but stopped. You are absolutely right. cksmithy Sep 2025 #31
That vicious hate of Democrats, most damaging influence on left-leaning audiences who believe them. betsuni Sep 2025 #34
Thanks for your reply. I was being serious about the question I asked. Since the election, I've heard so much talk tulipsandroses Sep 2025 #26
You're welcome. I've been reading and thinking about this... keep_left Sep 2025 #29
Oh yeah. We ALL get beer money. littlemissmartypants Sep 2025 #18
Apparently, it's George Soros according to the right. Has any recieved their Soros checks yet? In It to Win It Sep 2025 #22
They only give to "ex" Republicans, like the Lincoln Project or The Bulwark JHB Sep 2025 #24
No LeftInTX Sep 2025 #25
GOP's right-wing ideological billionaire money faucet never runs out, both-sides-corrupt-by-oligarchs yelling betsuni Sep 2025 #35
It's cheaper to build a world of hate. TommyT139 Sep 2025 #28
Not only that, his underwriter was the wife of the most corrupt SCOTUS justice ever. Initech Sep 2025 #32
Immoral capitalists overwhelm the rest of us Dave says Sep 2025 #36

Walleye

(45,400 posts)
1. My brother has been demonstrating against Trump every weekend this summer
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:49 AM
Sep 2025

I’m gonna ask him tonight if he got his check from George Soros yet

TheRickles

(3,529 posts)
19. That's why I say to my Trumpian relative - "Easiest $1000 I ever made. And all for a few hours work".
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:27 PM
Sep 2025

tanyev

(49,671 posts)
2. But of course! Every liberal group and every single protester that shows up for any event
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:51 AM
Sep 2025

is fully funded by George Soros.


yellow dahlia

(6,446 posts)
11. Thank you!
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 12:06 PM
Sep 2025

I was laughing so hard, I could barely read your reply to Mr. Dahlia...and let out a roaring chortle.

We are in desperate need of the comic relief.

Irish_Dem

(82,292 posts)
4. The billionaires are part of the Trump Crime Syndicate.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:53 AM
Sep 2025

Money is no object to benefit from being allowed to commit as many crimes as they want.
And have access to all of US financial resources.

JI7

(93,892 posts)
8. It doesn't work for everyone. It works for the right wing becsuse it's mainly
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 12:01 PM
Sep 2025

about targeting White Christians.

keep_left

(3,223 posts)
13. There have been many posts at DU about this over the years...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 12:59 PM
Sep 2025

...and while there has also been a lot of debate as to why it won't work for one reason or another, the reality is that we had some success and often gave up much too soon. The Air America experiment should have been just the beginning. We also need more when it comes to intellectual infrastructure. For example, most of the well-known far-right "think" tanks have been going since at least the early '80s, and some for much longer. We need some bona fide national think tanks of our own that can field speakers for all the "Sunday Talking About Stuff" shows (hat tip to cartoonist Tom Tomorrow for that one).

Many years ago, The Nation published a cover article about this; I think the title was "Why the Left Gives Too Little to Too Many". This must have been in the early '90s, I would guess. The argument was that we were spreading money too thin and there needed to be some consolidation of various foundations, etc.

Nonetheless, there have been some real successes, particularly when it comes to regional news media, and sometimes even nationally as well. When it comes to radio, WCPT/Chicago and KTNF/Twin Cities are two examples. And while Democracy Now! is syndicated mostly through small community radio stations, it is heard across the entire nation (and it's now on streaming platforms as well). In addition, some of the progressive stations are beginning to form regional partnerships with others.

Whatever we do, we should not expect it to be a big moneymaker. The far right did not fund all those "think" tanks and hate radio for 40+ years because it was going to pay off immediately. They played the long game.

The important thing to keep in mind about new media startups is that they will require ongoing and long-term support from listeners and benefactors. Right-wing radio was a steady money-loser for many years, and I'm still not convinced that a significant number of those shows are making anything close to real money. (There's absolutely no way that hosts as boring as Laura Ingraham and Monica Crowley are raking in the ca$h).

https://democraticunderground.com/100219761294#post12

...the most important thing is that these networks must be supported by both the listeners and the Democratic party. That needs to be seen as an ongoing investment for many years. How long did it take for Fox News to become profitable? And how long did Rush Limbaugh "suck wind in Sacramento", as Randi Rhodes put it? (Her answer: 15 years!)...

...We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219687367#post39

keep_left

(3,223 posts)
15. Please consider doing an OP about this, even a brief one...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 01:37 PM
Sep 2025

...or posting a link. I had no idea about this. Thanks!

FormerDittoHead

(5,159 posts)
30. The guy wanted to "flip" it from the start.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 03:17 PM
Sep 2025

YEARS ago I saw some documentary on AirAmerica (I'm thinking it should be on Youtube for free by now?) profiling the roll out.

I remember that scene on the street where the manager had to talk to the guy on the street outside, begging him not to pull the rug.

Disillusioned, they guy was thinking that as the left wing was un-represented in the media space at the time, thought that lining up Al Franken, et. al would have been a viable package to "flip" to a major network or syndicator in weeks.. but when the bills started rolling in instead of the money, he bailed.

I have (old) experience in talk radio. I have to tell you the reason that right wing talk radio thrives and left wing does not is because radio / media is driven by demographics. An advertiser asks, "who listens to right wing radio?" The answer is clear - men who buy pickup trucks, beer, and make other large purchases.

Here in Philly, I remember Air America was picked up by only one small station that split their programming with other shows serving minority communities. The signal was so weak it was easier to subscribe online. That's in the fifth largest market in the US with major universities and a large urban population.

Meanwhile, back in the day I would drive down I-95 and there would be a desert of radio reception. The most reliable thing was to get either religious radio or right wing talk, esp Rush Limbaugh.

mopinko

(73,919 posts)
33. i just remember hearing randi after it folded,
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:11 PM
Sep 2025

or maybe on the last day. the chgo station is still progressive talk.
i think u r thinking of ‘left of the dial’. it’s on yt, but it’s $10. i think i’ll watch it.

i was rly pissed at the time that kerry never took out a single ad, nor did any dem candidates.

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
17. Democracy Now! Is anti-Democratic Party.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:18 PM
Sep 2025

It is of no help to us. They hate our candidates and support Green Party and other third party candidates. They were Jill Stein and Cornel West supporters in 2024.

They hate Nancy Pelosi. They support the people that painted her house red. They hate Kamala Harris. They hate Democrats!!!

They are part of the problem, not the solution.

Supporting Democracy Now! is like telling Republicans to vote Libertarian! Once again, we get it wrong! They probably have funding from Neville Singham. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham
Democracy Now! are supporters of Code Pink whose founder is married to Neville Singham.

keep_left

(3,223 posts)
20. I follow DN only occasionally, so I'm aware of very little of this.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:27 PM
Sep 2025

I've mostly listened to them for particular interviews or coverage that no one else has. I've never even heard anything about Pelosi, Harris, etc. The Jill Stein stuff I'm aware of, and yes, as you say, it's idiotic. I pretty much ignore that. 90% of what they cover is useful to me. As the kids say, your mileage may vary.

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
23. It won't help us win elections!
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:30 PM
Sep 2025

And that's the problem.

It may help for some advocacy stuff, but the GOP has heavily invested in election winning media. We have not.

keep_left

(3,223 posts)
27. Well, that's what I'm arguing, when I talk about getting labor unions...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:42 PM
Sep 2025

...and NGOs to start contributing to think-tank and media infrastructure. I agree...we want to win elections.

OTOH, I'm willing to talk with people (including doorknocking/phoning for candidates, etc.) who may not agree with me 100% (or perhaps even 50%) if I think there's a chance I could persuade them to at least grudgingly vote for a Democratic candidate. Remember all those stay-at-home voters in the last election? They are the people we have to motivate--it will be easier to influence them than to change the mind of a MAGA voter.

To use just one example, I'm a fan of the Chapo Trap House podcast. I enjoy their show even though most of the cast is relatively hostile to mainstream Lib/Dem candidates. (They're big Bernie fans). However, I know that the fans of that show are either grudgingly voting for Democrats, or they're staying home. No way are CTH listeners voting MAGA. A grudging vote is still 100% as much a vote as is an enthusiastic vote!

betsuni

(29,283 posts)
34. That vicious hate of Democrats, most damaging influence on left-leaning audiences who believe them.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:17 PM
Sep 2025

Don't know how they sleep at night. DN is one of the few sources that even now I can't watch because physical repulsion at the memory of hateful lies.

tulipsandroses

(8,298 posts)
26. Thanks for your reply. I was being serious about the question I asked. Since the election, I've heard so much talk
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:37 PM
Sep 2025

even by democrats about " messaging and who the messenger is". Even more infuriating, "how to talk to young men" and some democrats softly backing RW ideas. It is not our message or messengers, it is the vehicle for messaging. Old school media is of no help to democrats. I am one of those that was initially critical of Meidas Touch, but I get it now. They are click baity - not my style, but many people get their news that way. Just a fact. They get news in little snippets, with titles that catch their eye. Makes no sense for us to chastise folks like Meidas Touch and insist that they do it the old school way, when the old school way is not how people are getting news these days.

keep_left

(3,223 posts)
29. You're welcome. I've been reading and thinking about this...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:58 PM
Sep 2025

...for years. As I mentioned earlier, that piece in The Nation is now about 30 years old, IIRC. This has been an ongoing problem for a long time, and we need to do better. As for what media is needed: we need it all, new and old. I really think, however, that getting labor unions and NGOs involved in new media could be an important step in turning things around. And we're now in an emergency situation with MAGA fascism and media consolidation. No time to waste.

JHB

(38,328 posts)
24. They only give to "ex" Republicans, like the Lincoln Project or The Bulwark
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:34 PM
Sep 2025

Giving to actual liberals and setting up liberal megaphones doesn't really seem to be on their radars.

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
25. No
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:36 PM
Sep 2025

George Soros mostly supports local candidates and hard to win races. He's just one guy and I don't believe he supports any propaganda outfit.

The GOP has an army of billionaires

We need an army of billionaires.

betsuni

(29,283 posts)
35. GOP's right-wing ideological billionaire money faucet never runs out, both-sides-corrupt-by-oligarchs yelling
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:34 PM
Sep 2025

is a lie and obviously so. No contest.

TommyT139

(2,431 posts)
28. It's cheaper to build a world of hate.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:57 PM
Sep 2025

So when money is the critical factor, this is always where society winds up.

Or am I unaware of counterexamples?

Dave says

(5,468 posts)
36. Immoral capitalists overwhelm the rest of us
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 04:52 PM
Sep 2025

I learned this many years ago. There was a great journal called Z magazine. They long ago closed their doors. The closest thing to it today would be Dissent, which publishes (iirc) 3 times a year. Z was on cheap paper. Almost no advertisements. Thin.

On the other hand there was Bill Buckley’s National Review. Always filled with paying advertisers. Glossy cover, thicker printed pages. That’s where the money flowed.

Immoral capitalist don’t fund media that doesn’t spew the messages they want heard. Moral citizenry for the most part never heard of Z. It didn’t have a tall enough soapbox to be heard over the propaganda spouted by well funded media.

(These were the days when we had to stand on street corners handing out leaflets with our messages to be heard at all, sometimes harassed by low-info citizens and police. The latter, as poet DA Levy said, “the police protect the banks, and everything else is secondary”.)

On edit: corrected DH Levt to DA Levy. Who can forget Suburban Monastery Death Poem?

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