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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKirk was bankrolled by a wealthy RW donor to build TPUSA. Do we have that on the left?
Our biggest problem is propaganda - From Fox, to OAN and online personalities -
Foster Friess Kick-Started Charlie Kirk's Turning Point Group - he gave this young man millions of dollars to spread hate.
Are there any wealthy democrats doing the same on the left?
Walleye
(45,400 posts)Im gonna ask him tonight if he got his check from George Soros yet
yellow dahlia
(6,446 posts)he might be behind on them.
TheRickles
(3,529 posts)Walleye
(45,400 posts)tanyev
(49,671 posts)is fully funded by George Soros.
yellow dahlia
(6,446 posts)tanyev
(49,671 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,446 posts)I was laughing so hard, I could barely read your reply to Mr. Dahlia...and let out a roaring chortle.
We are in desperate need of the comic relief.
SocialDemocrat61
(8,012 posts)that FAUX and others have been screaming about for years?
yellow dahlia
(6,446 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(8,012 posts)Irish_Dem
(82,292 posts)Money is no object to benefit from being allowed to commit as many crimes as they want.
And have access to all of US financial resources.
yellow dahlia
(6,446 posts)Yes - George Soros. I heard so on RW nut job media.
JI7
(93,892 posts)about targeting White Christians.
keep_left
(3,223 posts)...and while there has also been a lot of debate as to why it won't work for one reason or another, the reality is that we had some success and often gave up much too soon. The Air America experiment should have been just the beginning. We also need more when it comes to intellectual infrastructure. For example, most of the well-known far-right "think" tanks have been going since at least the early '80s, and some for much longer. We need some bona fide national think tanks of our own that can field speakers for all the "Sunday Talking About Stuff" shows (hat tip to cartoonist Tom Tomorrow for that one).
Many years ago, The Nation published a cover article about this; I think the title was "Why the Left Gives Too Little to Too Many". This must have been in the early '90s, I would guess. The argument was that we were spreading money too thin and there needed to be some consolidation of various foundations, etc.
Nonetheless, there have been some real successes, particularly when it comes to regional news media, and sometimes even nationally as well. When it comes to radio, WCPT/Chicago and KTNF/Twin Cities are two examples. And while Democracy Now! is syndicated mostly through small community radio stations, it is heard across the entire nation (and it's now on streaming platforms as well). In addition, some of the progressive stations are beginning to form regional partnerships with others.
Whatever we do, we should not expect it to be a big moneymaker. The far right did not fund all those "think" tanks and hate radio for 40+ years because it was going to pay off immediately. They played the long game.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219761294#post12
...We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219687367#post39
mopinko
(73,919 posts)by a rw investor.
keep_left
(3,223 posts)...or posting a link. I had no idea about this. Thanks!
mopinko
(73,919 posts)theres a movie- left of the dial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
FormerDittoHead
(5,159 posts)YEARS ago I saw some documentary on AirAmerica (I'm thinking it should be on Youtube for free by now?) profiling the roll out.
I remember that scene on the street where the manager had to talk to the guy on the street outside, begging him not to pull the rug.
Disillusioned, they guy was thinking that as the left wing was un-represented in the media space at the time, thought that lining up Al Franken, et. al would have been a viable package to "flip" to a major network or syndicator in weeks.. but when the bills started rolling in instead of the money, he bailed.
I have (old) experience in talk radio. I have to tell you the reason that right wing talk radio thrives and left wing does not is because radio / media is driven by demographics. An advertiser asks, "who listens to right wing radio?" The answer is clear - men who buy pickup trucks, beer, and make other large purchases.
Here in Philly, I remember Air America was picked up by only one small station that split their programming with other shows serving minority communities. The signal was so weak it was easier to subscribe online. That's in the fifth largest market in the US with major universities and a large urban population.
Meanwhile, back in the day I would drive down I-95 and there would be a desert of radio reception. The most reliable thing was to get either religious radio or right wing talk, esp Rush Limbaugh.
mopinko
(73,919 posts)or maybe on the last day. the chgo station is still progressive talk.
i think u r thinking of left of the dial. its on yt, but its $10. i think ill watch it.
i was rly pissed at the time that kerry never took out a single ad, nor did any dem candidates.
LeftInTX
(34,852 posts)It is of no help to us. They hate our candidates and support Green Party and other third party candidates. They were Jill Stein and Cornel West supporters in 2024.
They hate Nancy Pelosi. They support the people that painted her house red. They hate Kamala Harris. They hate Democrats!!!
They are part of the problem, not the solution.
Supporting Democracy Now! is like telling Republicans to vote Libertarian! Once again, we get it wrong! They probably have funding from Neville Singham. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham
Democracy Now! are supporters of Code Pink whose founder is married to Neville Singham.
keep_left
(3,223 posts)I've mostly listened to them for particular interviews or coverage that no one else has. I've never even heard anything about Pelosi, Harris, etc. The Jill Stein stuff I'm aware of, and yes, as you say, it's idiotic. I pretty much ignore that. 90% of what they cover is useful to me. As the kids say, your mileage may vary.
LeftInTX
(34,852 posts)And that's the problem.
It may help for some advocacy stuff, but the GOP has heavily invested in election winning media. We have not.
keep_left
(3,223 posts)...and NGOs to start contributing to think-tank and media infrastructure. I agree...we want to win elections.
OTOH, I'm willing to talk with people (including doorknocking/phoning for candidates, etc.) who may not agree with me 100% (or perhaps even 50%) if I think there's a chance I could persuade them to at least grudgingly vote for a Democratic candidate. Remember all those stay-at-home voters in the last election? They are the people we have to motivate--it will be easier to influence them than to change the mind of a MAGA voter.
To use just one example, I'm a fan of the Chapo Trap House podcast. I enjoy their show even though most of the cast is relatively hostile to mainstream Lib/Dem candidates. (They're big Bernie fans). However, I know that the fans of that show are either grudgingly voting for Democrats, or they're staying home. No way are CTH listeners voting MAGA. A grudging vote is still 100% as much a vote as is an enthusiastic vote!
cksmithy
(519 posts)betsuni
(29,283 posts)Don't know how they sleep at night. DN is one of the few sources that even now I can't watch because physical repulsion at the memory of hateful lies.
tulipsandroses
(8,298 posts)even by democrats about " messaging and who the messenger is". Even more infuriating, "how to talk to young men" and some democrats softly backing RW ideas. It is not our message or messengers, it is the vehicle for messaging. Old school media is of no help to democrats. I am one of those that was initially critical of Meidas Touch, but I get it now. They are click baity - not my style, but many people get their news that way. Just a fact. They get news in little snippets, with titles that catch their eye. Makes no sense for us to chastise folks like Meidas Touch and insist that they do it the old school way, when the old school way is not how people are getting news these days.
keep_left
(3,223 posts)...for years. As I mentioned earlier, that piece in The Nation is now about 30 years old, IIRC. This has been an ongoing problem for a long time, and we need to do better. As for what media is needed: we need it all, new and old. I really think, however, that getting labor unions and NGOs involved in new media could be an important step in turning things around. And we're now in an emergency situation with MAGA fascism and media consolidation. No time to waste.
littlemissmartypants
(34,339 posts)In It to Win It
(12,809 posts)JHB
(38,328 posts)Giving to actual liberals and setting up liberal megaphones doesn't really seem to be on their radars.
LeftInTX
(34,852 posts)George Soros mostly supports local candidates and hard to win races. He's just one guy and I don't believe he supports any propaganda outfit.
The GOP has an army of billionaires
We need an army of billionaires.
betsuni
(29,283 posts)is a lie and obviously so. No contest.
TommyT139
(2,431 posts)So when money is the critical factor, this is always where society winds up.
Or am I unaware of counterexamples?
Initech
(109,260 posts)Dave says
(5,468 posts)I learned this many years ago. There was a great journal called Z magazine. They long ago closed their doors. The closest thing to it today would be Dissent, which publishes (iirc) 3 times a year. Z was on cheap paper. Almost no advertisements. Thin.
On the other hand there was Bill Buckleys National Review. Always filled with paying advertisers. Glossy cover, thicker printed pages. Thats where the money flowed.
Immoral capitalist dont fund media that doesnt spew the messages they want heard. Moral citizenry for the most part never heard of Z. It didnt have a tall enough soapbox to be heard over the propaganda spouted by well funded media.
(These were the days when we had to stand on street corners handing out leaflets with our messages to be heard at all, sometimes harassed by low-info citizens and police. The latter, as poet DA Levy said, the police protect the banks, and everything else is secondary.)
On edit: corrected DH Levt to DA Levy. Who can forget Suburban Monastery Death Poem?