Just a few thoughts about the current situation. Thanks for indulging me

[pepperbear]

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It'd be nice if people would stop saying that Kirk was killed for having the guts to have a different opinion. A difference of opinion is when you like the Stones and I like the Beatles. Obviously no one is getting killed over this disagreement, especially if they're adamant but still polite about it. That is not what is happening here.

I've seen his schtick. Kirk dealt in logical fallacies and bad faith arguments. His trick was to speak in half truths and talk over people. Kirk was the worst of what I call " Bro' " culture. He told a woman to her face that being a partner in a law firm wasn't near as monumental an achievement as having a quiver full of kids, yet he would lie and say that an equitable society eschews those women who choose to pursue traditional gender roles. He's a predecessor to the men in Margaret Atwood's universe. He was proof of their end game.

It's sad that violence is our stock and trade. No good can come of this tragedy. All that happened is that a very dangerous and undeserving man will be martyred and rebranded as some kind of patriotic saint. We don't need his ideas and opinions to become the new standard.

[Blues Heron]

1. Well one less Nazi isn't nothing, so there's that at least!

[BeneteauBum]

2. Main Stream Media

Is controlled by the right and sets the tone because this administration has them in his/their pocket. Say what I want you to say or else it will cost you. This is today’s reality. Sucks.
Peace ☮️

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

3. He learned at the feet of Dennis Prager..strawmen arguments lacking logic at their core

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Logical fallacies are one component of narcissistic abuse

along with gaslighting, stonewalling, half-truths, projection, blame, invalidation.

These are techniques of mind control.

[yellow dahlia]

5. Some of the same tactics employed by RW media,

and unfortunately it works. They are breaking peoples' brains.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Question is, how do we give people the tools to recognize when they are being deceived?

Logic and facts don't work too well. But if it can be shown they are being taken for stooges, some of them might wake up.

Think hard on this. To me this is the essence of strategy going forward.

[yellow dahlia]

13. This is a question I ask all the time.

I believe some people recognize reality when the circumstances affect them directly, which is why the Medicaid cuts are scheduled for after the midterms. But most refuse to see the truth, even when the reality devastates their world. Remember - it is always Biden's fault, right now.

Yes, I have tried logic and facts. "They" are conditioned to tune it out and offer all kinds of nonsense counter narratives. They are sheltered behind cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

I ponder ways to get them to feel compelled to find out more. I have an idea about billboards that have a compelling and "catchy" fact w/ a website to find out more info. The psychology of how to grab their attention is tricky.

And here is a whacky idea I had. The grifter was at a recent sporting event. I wondered if anonymous could hack the jumbotron and broadcast something that would be a smoking gun - something along the lines of Epstein "tapes". It would become news beyond the sports stadium. Anonymous are you listening?

What will it take to to get past the brainwashing?

[JoseBalow]

19. There is no such thing as "Anonymous"

It is not an organized group; there is no Anonymous organization. Anyone can claim to be Anonymous, and claim attribution for whatever they want. You are Anonymous, I am Anonymous...

[calimary]

14. THAT is the Question of the Year!

Because logic and facts aren’t enough, and many of these folks are locked into this mindset - methinks because the idea of equality of the sexes is something they can’t (or just aren’t ready to) accept.

[Keepthesoulalive]

17. There is a certain degree of buy in

There’s one group of people the propaganda has no effect. Guess?

[OneGrassRoot]

8. This. Most definitely. n/t

[yardwork]

6. And it's very annoying that Kirk is portrayed as having a "different" opinion.

His opinions are shared by millions. The president of the United States promotes Kirk's opinions. The MSM soft-pedals his opinions. It's not like he's some lonely hermit crying in the wilderness.

Kirk was a lot of things but one thing he was not was courageous.

[cpamomfromtexas]

7. Being educated helps if you find yourself

Widowed.

Ask me how I know. People were asking my friends at the funeral when I was moving out of my house.

I haven’t and I bet a few people are pissed.

[sop]

10. Charlie Kirk was a master of sophistry, as are most demagogues.

Demagogues employ sophistic techniques to make emotionally charged, non-rational arguments seem logical and well-founded while dismissing factual evidence.

[TexasBushwhacker]

11. He also didn't really start pushing Evangelical

Christianity until he widened his base beyond college students. He was pretty secular when he started. But he wanted to have Turning Point FAITH to expand his brand. It's not Jesus. It's MARKETING!

[yankee87]

12. Forgotten

He'll be thrown to the trash heap like Limpdick. He is having his moment.

[marble falls]

15. What motherless fuck are we talking about?

[Brenda]

16. Good post.

Men like him keep saying things like Feminists hate stay at home moms and liberals attack them, too.

I have never in my life seen that. Purely made-up shit. Feminists want equality and the choice of lifestyle is up to the woman. Not her husband, her minister or her government.

Yet there are vast numbers of men and women and churches and politicians and special groups like MRA's who spend lots of time and effort HATING Feminists and women who have careers.

Why are these men so afraid of women?

[quakerboy]

18. But he was killed over a difference of opinion. As to whether the epstein Doccuments should be made public.

The right loves to kill people when they have different opinions. They just usually prefer to paint the targets outside their own inner circle.