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lostnfound

(17,630 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:39 PM Sep 2025

Cults and community

Cults and community are on my mind after:
*Watching a few TikTok videos by a woman who is leaving her controlling, rules-enforcing church.
*Pondering the aftermath and reactions to the murder of Charlie Kirk.
*Missing the feeling that being a US citizen was a shared connection across the aisle.
*Wondering how hate can be nurtured so strongly in extended family members (along with the peculiar blindness that lets ‘Christians’ vote for a vulgar, selfish, serial-adulterer/con-man with no decency or principles.)

TikTok lady was very active in her Baptist church for 10 years. Sunday school, potlucks, midweek prayer meetings. She subscribed to the submissive wife role, etc., etc., but you can tell she is ‘a handful’ with a lot of energy. But in ditching the church for telling her she couldn’t put certain views in her videos, she found out that:
1) the church says she can’t just quit, they have to vote her out (which they did), and
2) the people she counted as friends for 10 years didn’t call her to see how she was doing (blah,blah) because the higher-ups at the church didn’t tell them to. They only know to do as they are told, she said.

I treasure my freedom as a modern American woman. My career, my choices, my loves, my education…but also, just as importantly, my family, my son. In my old age now, my tree cathedral in the backyard where the birds sing and the pond glistens; and the spirituality that has grown like an old ficus tree around the original Catholicism my parents implanted, which feels richer and more grateful every year. To hand my daily free will over to authoritarian humans in order to be controlled not by conscience or by “love of God and neighbor” is bizarre to me.

Rightwing churches use community as a weapon to be withheld or granted; and as walls around the group to keep outsiders at bay. They use hierarchy and submission of women as a gift to the many men who feel powerless in America’s confusing and challenging society.. They use a cocoon of repetitive messaging to fill a void of clarity, where a cacophony of internet noise (and a lot of garbage) is overwhelming the brains of most of us. They tell their members clearly how to be, what to think..who to vote for.

Personally I don’t feel a need of a church community. But I have seen the pain of family with difficult cancer, difficult teenagers, difficult divorce; and the loneliness and confusion of young men especially not knowing what is expected of them as they evolve from teenager to adults. I see neighbors who need support, direction, or who seem to need a rulebook on how to cope with a Darwinian society where it is easy to fall.

If the left has a rulebook, it seems oriented around a very long list of what NOT to do to avoid hurting others. Do we have a rulebook for life to share with others?

How can we create community, at a human scale, that meets people where they are, and provides a “better bargain” to them than the religious cults? Instead of support centers for support, and interest clubs, and activist groups, all separate, would there be an advantage to connecting them together somehow, to build a shared identity of ‘tolerant community’?

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Cults and community (Original Post) lostnfound Sep 2025 OP
How? Teaching critical thinking protects against cults Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #1
Better yet... OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #2
Yes, give them something positive to belong to, while talking to them and pointing out the negative contradictions. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #3
Good points. lostnfound Sep 2025 #5
I had none of that... OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #6
I was at a training for precinct chairs this weekend. Trueblue Texan Sep 2025 #4

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
1. How? Teaching critical thinking protects against cults
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:05 PM
Sep 2025

Needs to be done all the way through school in all subjects. No binary thinking. Know the common fallacies. Spot fake news. Learn how to root out sources. Logic.

Understand where people are at and don't attack them or their beliefs directly. Help them find the contradictions within their own beliefs.

For example Ds and Rs have the same core values: family, country, justice, and religion (or not) but Ds add one more: empathy for wider communities than just the family and less than the whole country. Empathy is christian and buddhist and moslem and sikhist and hinduist and .... Help them grow empathy. Combat the idea that empathy is over used and becomes a bad thing.

OneGrassRoot

(23,954 posts)
2. Better yet...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:27 PM
Sep 2025

While I recognize support is important, I wish we could deprogram religious people but really ALL people, especially kids and teens, from thinking they need to BELONG to feel whole and worthy.

They need to know they belong on this Earth by virtue of being here. We may not be welcome everywhere, but we sure as shit belong. Most groups, regardless of original intent, end up with an inclusion/exclusion dynamic that constantly needs to be navigated.

Then again, I'm an introvert and socializing a lot in person exhausts me. For people who need that, I can see they would prefer some semblance of community. We are conditioned to find where we BELONG, which leads to so much grief. Let's normalize people realizing they already belong. Period.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
3. Yes, give them something positive to belong to, while talking to them and pointing out the negative contradictions. . nt
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:39 PM
Sep 2025

lostnfound

(17,630 posts)
5. Good points.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:30 PM
Sep 2025

I’m also an introvert outside of immediate family. One-on-one time or alone time is much more satisfying.
Once in a while, it has been nice to have been part of small groups with camaraderie, but organized groups are usually not my thing.

What made you feel that you belong on this Earth? I think for me it was a good family, especially older sister; and Girl Scouts which was good for dividing us into small groups that were very comfortable. Singing around a campfire with a dozen friends on a weekend camping trip as a young girl felt very safe and bonding.

OneGrassRoot

(23,954 posts)
6. I had none of that...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 10:08 AM
Sep 2025

I was born and raised in a violent environment. Because I didn't comply with supremacist views and behavior, I was...punished. To say I never felt I belonged to that family is an understatement.

Idk, I just always had this inherent knowing that I belong, even if not welcome. And made it my mission to step in to protect victims of bullying and abuse and not be identified with any specific group or clique. I was part of a lot of things but never made it my identity because I didn't want anyone who wasn't part of groups to think I saw them as the Other. If that makes sense.

Trueblue Texan

(4,605 posts)
4. I was at a training for precinct chairs this weekend.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:08 PM
Sep 2025

The concept stressed as most important was building community, starting with our own neighborhoods. Simply walking around your community, talking with folks, asking what they need and how you can help them, building local relationships with people is the most grassroots thing we can do to bring people back to Earth1.

I also saw a Youtube video where a former MAGA Mormon discussed how cults bring people into their fold. Number one was avoiding direct confrontation but instead connecting with people to create a safe middle ground. Making yourself and your own life accessible and allowing your own joy and loving nature to show goes much further in building bridges than logic and arguing. Instead of fighting or opposing those with MAGA ideas, allow them to see that your own life works and offers more than the hateful path they've been following. That is what will allow them to consider your perspective and bring them into our fold.

If we don't do this, our democracy likely won't survive. We are more powerful together and it's exactly what the fascists fear.

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