Firefighters shot at scene of Webster (NY) fire; 2 injured, 2 deceased...

[Earth_First]

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Webster, N.Y. -- 13WHAM News has learned that at least one firefighter has been shot at the scene of a fire on Lake Road in Webster.

The fire is at 191 Lake Road near Bay Road. A source tells 13WHAM News that an unknown gunman opened fire on fire crews on the scene.

The wounded firefighter was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital by Mercy Flight. Strong Hospital confirms two firefighters are being treated there.

The fire has now spread to a second house.

13WHAM has several crews at the scene and elsewhere and will provide updates as they're available.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/People-Shot-at-Scene-of-Webster-Fire/Aov0V53ztUC4bKegOnofrg.cspx

Two firefighters shot and killed after incident in West Webster

News10NBC has learned that four firefighters have been shot, two of them were killed, while responding to a fire on Lake Road near the Outlet Bridge.

The other two firefighters are at Strong Hospital in guarded condition.

Emergency crews were originally called to the area for the report of a structure fire on Lake Road at 6:00am. As the firefighters arrived to the fire, there was gunfire.

Right now, three homes and a vehicle are burning. Firefighters are now attacking the fire. The homes are both occupied and unoccupied homes.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=566

[etherealtruth]

1. WTF

A world gone mad

[Earth_First]

2. So are we going to start arming firefighters...?

:crickets:

[Remmah2]

4. Shooting at firemen is nothing new:

http://everything2.com/title/1968+Chicago+Race+Riot


When Martin Luther King was shot, it was immediately recognized as the spark that would set off another round of violence in 1968. In the wake of the assassination there were 2,600 fires and 21,270 injuries nationwide. By noon on the day after the shooting groups of young black people had gathered throughout the city. The violence began with smashed store windows and looting; arson and sniper attacks soon followed. By 2:00 p.m. the governor had dispatched over 600 members of the Illinois National Guard and Mayor Daley had sent out the entire Chicago fire department and borrowed fire departments from eight suburbs. Fires raged throughout the city, completely engulfing many black neighborhoods. Power lines to the predominantly black West Side were now dead, leaving that part of the city in darkness, and giving cover and encouragement for more looting.

As the violence entered its second day, Mayor Daley began to try and take back the city. 1,500 more National Guardsmen were put on the streets. A 7:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. curfew was imposed on people less than 21 years of age. Liquor sales were banned in areas with "serious disorder." Troops patrolled the city in jeeps and military deployments guarded every intersection on the West Side. That night was much quieter, but far from tranquil. Molotov cocktails were still being thrown, buildings were still being torched, and snipers were still shooting at firemen.

[H2O Man]

16. While both do

involve "shooting at firemen," one would be required to identify the contrast in contexts, in order to be able to pass even an introductory sociology course.

[AllyCat]

18. Oooohhh. Well in that case, lets continue to do nothing about it.

[Whovian]

3. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Guns are not a great thing to have in our particular society.

[Remmah2]

5. It's a sad statement of where our society has gone.

Violence is a symptom, not the disease.

[Earth_First]

6. Photographs + Livestream link:

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s2781847.shtml?cat=123188.shtml?cat=12318

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. What's the excuse this time?

There's always a lame reason for why the shooter did what they did.

[Not Me]

8. My son lives about a half mile from there.

These are very large, expensive lakefront properties on Lake Ontario. Motive?

[Earth_First]

9. Yes, a quite wealthy demographic in this area...

"Where Life is Worth Living" is it's 'catchphrase'

[Barack_America]

10. "Cooked off" ammunition?

[Robb]

23. No.

Bullets weight more than casings, so it's the casings that launch off ... And not particularly fast.

The big thing about a barrel is that it focuses the energy to the projectile.

[Cooley Hurd]

11. They just reported that 4 firefighters were shot and 2 are dead!

[Earth_First]

12. So sad...

On Christmas Eve...

My heart weeps for these families.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. First responders... murdered by gunfire... on fucking Christmas Eve...

This, 10 days after Newtown.

This shit has GOT to STOP!!!!!!!!!

[Cooley Hurd]

14. D&C says 3 houses ablaze now...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/312240026/webster-shooting?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home

At least two Webster firefighters are dead, and three houses on Lake Road continue to burn after a gunman open fired on firefighters who responded to an early morning fire.

There are no active shooters at the scene, according to a news conference held by Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

The gunman open fired on the first firefighters to respond, striking one in the backside. Strong Memorial Hospital confirmed another firefighter was being treated, but it is not clear if he was shot or injured in the fire.

Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said it is not clear how many other firefighters were hit.

[WinkyDink]

15. Sounds like the fire was the deliberate lure.

[Earth_First]

17. I understand that this vol. department is the same firehouse that responded to a tragic arson

last year where a young man set his home ablaze with his family inside, a lot of the young members struggled with this event.

Now this...

[AllyCat]

19. You mean they aren't union thugs? They are unpaid volunteers?

How dreadful for all involved. I hope they find peace in time.

[Robb]

20. A few dead kids, a few dead firefighters...

All the price we pay to salve the spirits and egos of the paranoid. Oh, and personal freedoms! And statistically no one gets killed by MY gun! Rounding error!!1!

So sick of this.

[TheMightyFavog]

21. Is it confirmed that some asshole shot them?

Or is this the work of some irresponsible dick not keeping their ammunition secured in a fireproof safe?

[Robb]

24. See 23, above.

Ammo -- rifle and handgun -- in a fire isn't particularly deadly. Thank goodness.

[tradecenter]

25. Ammunition cooking off is not particularly dangerous.

I've was struck by a .45 round at a fire and my turnout coat was enough to stop it without any harm to me.
Now large amouts of gun powder cooking off is extremely dangerous.

[Earth_First]

22. Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'

No word on whether or not the suspect has been apprehended; or otherwise...

[coalition_unwilling]

26. Cue the gun apologists in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1. Merry Fucking

Christmas, you assholes.

[coalition_unwilling]

27. You know, I really think this thread needs to be kept at the top of GD all fucking

day today and tomorrow. No one in this country (other than kids) should get to celebrate a happy Christmas this year.

So this is my kick.

[boomer55]

28. The same thing could have happened with baseball bats

Is it time for armed guards on all fire trucks?

[we can do it]

30. BULLSHIT go away

[boomer55]

35. Uh. Dude don't you pay attention? It was snark at

http://mobile.rawstory.com/therawstory/#!/entry/nra-president-compares-assault-rifles-to-baseball-bats,50d742b4d7fc7b5670bc8b9f

[Earth_First]

29. The Lieutenant shot and killed this morning was a 20-year veteran of the Webster Police/Fire

Started as an Explorer with the West Webster FD and worked his way up through law enforcement and the 911 center.

An American hero.

Gunned down performing a volunteer public service.

[ananda]

31. CBS tweet: shooter "eliminated"

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGJLf5gsM/2012/12/24/firefighter-shooting-webster-police-chief-gerald-pickering-says-fire

[pinboy3niner]

32. "Monroe County Sheriff's Deputies say that the shooter was found dead near the scene"

One of the firefighters that was killed was Lt. Mike Chiapperini, a Webster Police Department lieutenant, who was off-duty and was responding as a volunteer firefighter One of the firefighters injured was an off-duty Greece Police Officer, John Ritter.

33 residents in the area were evacuated from their homes.

Four homes were engulfed in flames and destroyed. Four other homes were damaged.

Monroe County Sheriff's Deputies say that the shooter was found dead near the scene. They did recover a weapon. They believe the shooter acted alone.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=565

[ananda]

34. I have one question.

Why is such an affluent area called "middle class"?

[Comrade Grumpy]

36. Because they qualify for "middle class" tax cuts on incomes under a million?

Shifting nomenclature...at least we also got rid of all the poor people. Or I haven't heard any politicians talk about poor people, anyway, except for Romney saying they had the safety net.

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. Oh no.

This is the first I'd heard of it, just getting online. Thank you

[BlancheSplanchnik]

37. i just moved to Irondequoit, right near Webster

Surprised the sirens and copters didn't wake me.

So sad. So so tragic and wrong.