Kind of weird for Utah MAGA parents to be eating dinner with son who is dating a transgender person, isn't it?

[lostnfound]

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Kudos to them, i guess, for being in like the 2% of people in that particular demographic who would have seamlessly accepted him enough to sit down at dinner together. Seems to me about 98% of the time, the GOP family rejects and disowns their own kids when that kind of thing happens, at least for a while.

Remarkable that the son kept it from his other friends but not from his parents… Usually the parents are the last to know, in those right-wing households.

Too bad they weren’t better parents, though. Somehow he was soooo susceptible that he “decided” to become a trans-loving gay liberal in a brief amount of time, and all of that gun practice he had at the hands of his MAGA parents went to waste.

Poof! The Groypers are barely a whisper of a memory…
We may never know the truth about any of this.

But regardless of whether he “turned liberal” — DAMN! How POWERFUL that must be! — aren’t his parents still to blame? I mean, if they were liberals and their offspring had become a liberal-hating conservative and had gone and shot someone, we’d be hearing all about their bad parenting.

[BoRaGard]

1. We are family

Many of us are born into, um, difficult situations. Hat tip to those who can get past differences, since that's basic human nature, and accept others for who they are.

magas casting stones all over the place at people are basically dissing Jesus and his teachings. Why do republicons turn their backs on the teachings of Jesus, and then claim they are 'christians.'

That fake stuff don't work on The Other Side.

[hlthe2b]

8. There are so many "disconnects" in this story that I will try to avoid too many conclusions...

While so many are lauding this father for turning his son in (and I get that at face value), I'm likewise pretty well versed in that which is "conscious" versus "non-conscious" or "subconscious..." So, perhaps this father and mother were the exceptional ones- parents who were fully understanding of their son's decisions and choices, including clear political differences, or maybe they were not. I suspect more will be revealed in months/years to come, but I will continue to take nothing about this story at face value.

A lot of lives destroyed, that is my sole conclusion...

[WarGamer]

2. the groypers thing was made up by the same people who told us Kyles Mom drove across State lines with guns in the trunk

Remember that?

[Mysterian]

6. Do you have any proof for that assertion?

Please provide details. Thanks.

[WarGamer]

7. The assertion that myth becomes fact in the minds of many?

[Mysterian]

12. Which people made assertions about Rittenhouse's mother and also made assertions about Robinson's affiliations?

You made the assertion about specific people. Please provide proof.

[lostnfound]

10. Sorry I'm being dense..

what are you suggesting?
That the info about Kyle’s mother was false?
Or that it was probably true and went down the rabbit hole?

[WarGamer]

11. Long after the Mom driving across State lines was debunked...

For literally months it was repeated as fact.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.9RP9CL

[tinrobot]

22. Months? Nobody knew about this kid three weeks ago.

[pcdb]

25. The link was about Rittenhouse

For months people were pushing Rittenhouse stories that had been debunked.

In a few months, people will still be pushing the ridiculous groyper conspiracy theories.

[AZJonnie]

15. There were accusations made with more certainty than was warranted, sure

But as I said, the song Bella Ciao being printed on a bullet casing, while also being on the Groyper Wars (America First) playlist, along with the fact that the Groypers feud with Kirk was very public means that it's really not all that baseless of a supposition.

Furthermore there are gay people who gravitate to far-right ideology. The idea that every gay person is liberal is nonsense. I've personally know a gay MAGAt. Nor is being transsexual synonymous with "liberal", just ask Catelyn Jenner.

The traits of "gay/trans" and "liberal" being 1:1 with each other is exactly the spin the other side wants to convey. And we aren't necessarily going to know the kids true motives ever, let alone now. This kids only chance to avoid death (and to give his family some peace) is to plead "corrupted by the Left", and right-wingers are in charge of all the facts we're going to hear. I'm just saying

[LeftInTX]

28. Thank you for this. Also the mother complaining about him being "liberal" doesn't mean the same kind of

"liberal" that we share. It could mean values that deviate from the parents'.

The guy has never voted in his life.

[WarGamer]

32. How about the quotes from the families? They're compromised too?

Occam's Razor, folks.

[AZJonnie]

34. Why would any of the families involved here want to implicate "the Right" rather than the Left?

The only succor and respite they get will come in the form of pinning the kid as a having been corrupted by the left, their POTUS has made his declaration about it, plus they're righties themselves. Also, the families could have no idea if he were or were not a Groyper. Which would not make them compromised, just unknowing. So yes, I do not consider the possibility he was influenced by Groypers/Fuentes to be "debunked" at this point, for the reasons I've stated. Is it the most likely possibility? I'd stipulate probably not, assuming all we're being told is true.

[still-prayin4rain]

39. His MAGA family didn't blame it on the alt-right? That's weird.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Was the groypers thing made up by groypers, a group known to hijack progressive tropes to be disruptive?

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Groypers (largely identified with Fuentes these days) chose a Spanish Civil War freedom fighters anthem for a playlist because they know progressives (antifa included) would be confused.

That the groypers thing was "made up" is news to me, but I don't go down every rabbit hole. Any commentary / reporting on that?

Assuming it was made up, did groypers inject a false narrative into social media to hijack the discussion and get some attention, only to be able to distance themselves at the end and say "it was all made up to smear our group"?

Or did Kirk followers rekindle the "groyper war of 2019" with allegations against Fuentes group which started the heckling campaign in 2019?

Or something else?

[lostnfound]

23. Careful historian used it in her essay

Heather Cox Richardson — so that gave it some credibility, in my eyes. The WP also spoke of it rather definitively at one point, but purely based on the lingo.

[AZJonnie]

35. I think its simpler than all this confusion/trickery

THEY think WE are the fascists. You think they embrace being called that, even if that is what they basically are? Hell no they don't, they say "I know you are but what am I". They also believe the Nazi's were far left because "Socialist" is in the words underpinning Nazi ffs.

Also I thought it was an Anti-Mussolini song, not Spanish freedom fighters

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. You are right, it was anti-Mussolini.Right also about other 2 points

1. Yes, they think the left is a communist dictatorship.

2. Yes, they think Nazis were "far left" because of the "Socialist" in their name. It is true they were fiscally liberal, but maga conveniently forgets that the key point of fascism is the totalitarianism. There are totalitarians of the "left" and the "right". They only see totalitarianism on the left. When the right crushes rights of non-whites and non-cis-males, they see it as natural and are blind to how it breaks the rule of law and is the tyranny they warned everyone about for decades.

Technically, fascism is the forced alignment of corporate functioning with national government interests. This is what we see now, with law firms, media companies, chip companies, etc. capitulating to tRump's pressure.

[Mysterian]

38. Pending your response, I will assume you made up a story to fit your narrative

That's what you accused others of doing.

[Silent Type]

3. Fortunately, most families are a bit more loving than some. Lot's of people had MAGA parents, but managed

to change.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Did the parents know who he was dating?

[lostnfound]

9. According to today's 'stories', they did. In the "Hindustan Times".

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/tyler-robinson-mother-breaks-silence-on-sons-changing-political-beliefs-personal-life-and-family-dynamics-101758048027877.html

The first stuff saying that he had a transgender roommate with some imprecise suggestions that it was a boyfriend was on facebook in Australia. Lots of innuendo getting picked up by remote media, then mainstream.

To save his life or keep their own selves out of jail, i imagine it wouldn’t be hard to ‘lead the witness’.

[ALBliberal]

5. Could be he was repressed and couldn't come out.

Who knows if we will ever get the full story.

Sure hope he doesn’t get “Epsteined” and roommate doesn’t disappear.

It’s really awful when we lose credible journalism among so many other things we are losing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. "transgender man"? "trans-loving gay"? Isn't that a bit rude?

I could easily be mistaken, but as I understand it, Robinson's partner was a man, was becoming a woman, so the modern progressive practice is to refer to his partner as a "woman", the destination gender, not the prior gender.

If a man loves a person who has become a woman, is that "gay" by reference to the prior gender, not the chosen gender? Is that another instance of misgendering?

I may have facts, mores, and etiquette wrong and as always would be grateful for having any misapprehensions corrected.

[AZJonnie]

19. I took the "trans-loving gay" in the context as being "that's how the right would describe it" which is true.

As for whether "man" or "woman" applies, certainly woman applies if the person is transitioned or at least well-along in that. But I don't think any of us know yet on that account. If as far as the person had gotten was "talking about it", but was in no tangible way living as a woman, I'm not sure what's "correct" to say

[meadowlander]

21. Woman applies if that is what the person identifies as.

Not all trans people transition for a variety of reasons. They should be referred to by their identified gender when they identify themselves as that gender and ask to be referred that way.

[AZJonnie]

24. Of course, then it's obvious. But AFA I know we don't know how this person identifies

The only operative word here is "transitioning" and if that's all you have, the exact proper term is perhaps ambiguous.

I'm trying to convey that I don't think the OP meant anything offensive is all, and nor do I

[lostnfound]

20. You are right; i am sorry.

I was trying to be sensitive and ended up being the opposite.

[Torchlight]

14. A right wing nut job killed an extremist radical cleric. Everything else is window dressing

nt

[eShirl]

16. Wasn't he was dating a transgender woman?

I haven't been giving my full attention to the news.

[AZJonnie]

18. Since I think we all supposedly know is that the roommate was transitioning, I'm not 100 on the correct term.

I suppose there could be some ambiguity, esp. if in the very early phases of transition. Perhaps if it's very early, "transgender person" could be considered most accurate?

In any case I don't think the OP is meaning to be offensive in their choice of terms, that's what really matters

[Srkdqltr]

26. Everything said about this whole episode is weird. I don't believe most of the relationships reported. So much is for

The clicks or views.
Its like a really weird game of telephone. Too many stories going around and news folk have to tell every one.

[sop]

27. Like Winston Churchill once said, this whole thing is quickly becoming "an enigma wrapped in a riddle."

Soon we'll find out Kirk's shooter spent time in Russia.

[LeftInTX]

29. My dad was in that Swiftwar Veterans for Truth and we still ate at their house with my mohawked drug addicted son.

My dad was super active in them and was involved with their higher ups. They even showed up at his funeral along with my lesbian cousin, lesbian niece and my likely closeted lesbian sister who has never been on a date in her life.

[Seeking Serenity]

30. Not everyone puts politics or ideologies before family

And, yes, that applies to the right wing (as if such a thing needed to be said among reasonable people).

[Eko]

31. Jeeze, just stop.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. They still made sure he had access to high powered weapons.

[Shrek]

37. Not everyone considers politics to be a deal-breaker

I attended a family reunion in July represented by a very wide variety of political orientations.

We all laughed and hugged and broke bread together. It's not that uncommon to put family above political differences.

[travelingthrulife]

40. Let's talk to Grandma again, who said all members of the family were MAGA

before they all changed their mind to save their kid.

If I were a Charlie Kirk cultist I would not believe one word of this. Why is the government re-writing the story? Furry costumes????? Really?

This is all made up. It is a right wingers idea of what a liberal would look like in this situation.

This case will disappear just like 1/6/25 insurrection, just like the Malheur National Wildlife armed take over by right wing cowboys...the prosecutors threw the case and it just went bye-bye.

[Heidi]

41. Dating a trans woman would not have made him a gay man.

with the TERF talk?