The purported "transcript" of texts

[moniss]

by Richardson raises serious questions. It strikes me as quite odd indeed that right after the supposed "confession" by Richardson that he had killed someone the conversation goes on in a matter of fact manner as though discussing going to the supermarket. One would expect an OMG sort of reaction in the immediate aftermath and not this sort of "reasoned" exchange we see in this transcript.

I am suspicious about all of this because now they are changing the story somewhat again and saying it was a tip from a family friend that brought this "surrender" and this seems to muddle the "went to Dad and Dad drove him and turned him in" story. But in any event we have not heard from the roommate themselves or from anybody else, as far as I have heard, that was actually involved in how this played out.

So the most accurate thing to say is that right now we have snippets of confusing and somewhat contradictory information and that what we do have is being given seems to support the "story" they wanted told from the beginning. I just don't buy that someone doesn't react in a more emotionally reactive way to having your roommate confess to having just committed a high profile killing.

Maybe before this is over we'll get told that Hack Patel tracked Robinson down and personally wrestled him into submission.

[WarGamer]

1. Robinson.

[Silent Type]

2. Don't see how who turned him in matters. Seems clear shooter's friend, pastor, maybe parents all helped him give up.

As far as reactions to what shooter and friend wrote, it’s hard to assess emotions when some old investigator is reading stuff without emotion.

[moniss]

3. Keep in mind I am not saying

Robinson didn't do it. I am saying that this "weaving" of a narrative that seems to support a desired story about motive/conduct etc. is suspicious to me. Exactly how the surrender went down should be an easy enough matter to factually nail down after this many days after it took place. But they still don't have a straight and clear story.

[AZJonnie]

6. Tipster sees the photo, knows it's Tyler

Contact's Tyler's dad, tells him his suspicion. Dad says "Tyler, did you do this"? Tyler confesses to Dad, Dad calls the police.

I'm not sure how this is contrary as opposed to just adding more detail?

[moniss]

7. They also put out the story it was

pastor, now they're saying it was a family friend. After days and days since the guy was turned in they still don't have a straight cohesive story. Look for more "modifications" of the story as things go along.

[AZJonnie]

8. Pastor and Family Friend are mutually exclusive?

And there can only be ONE other person that called the family after the photo was on every news channel in the country?

Personally I find it pretty preposterous that the parents didn't know it was Tyler the second the photos hit the news which IIRC was that not long after. So yeah, I don't 'trust' the story but I find it of little consequence in the grand scheme. They are probably giving the family cover for the fact they didn't call the cops for many hours after they figured it out. They probably got MANY calls in the interim from people recognizing Tyler. But they were trying to figure out what to do, discussing their options. Only after ENOUGH people called did they decide there's no way out of this for their son.

[TommyT139]

4. Why would the roommate say anything?

First off, that person is a witness. Second, that person, whether or not trans-identified, is in immediate danger from homicidal magats who know they can kill with impunity.

[moniss]

5. You are answering your own question in a sense

and confirming what my concerns are at the same time though that might not have been your intent. So yes to the roommate being a "witness" and asking ourselves "why would they speak publicly"? So why are supposed "statements/texts" from this witness being made public? If not to support a desired narrative then why put this out there which clearly puts an even larger target on the back of the one that is supposed to keep quiet because they are a "witness". Why the transcript and description of gender about this person?

Wouldn't it have been sufficient from a prosecutorial standpoint to say "We have a roommate who is a cooperating witness who confirms that Robinson confessed to him and we have corroborating texts" and then leave it at that? The only thing that doling out selective bits of information, some of it conflicting with previous "facts" doled out, is that a desired story is being woven and handed out. The nearly immediate disclosure of an obviously inflammatory gender tag for this witness served no purpose for the investigation and has nothing to do with any information this witness could possibly have. So why? It's because it fit a desire to hang red meat out there for a political faction. The powers doing this do not care about endangering this witness or others. They love the idea that it will stir further violence and repression against LGBTQ+ people. They will campaign on that hatred and repression with renewed vigor and use this as their "implication" for the need to "crack down" on LGBTQ+ efforts in legislatures, courts etc.

[TommyT139]

9. Exactly.

" Wouldn't it have been sufficient from a prosecutorial standpoint..."

Yes...under a fair and competent administration. Perhaps again one day, although hopes are fading.

[LyfeTimeDem]

10. they have been able to prevent

Facial and vocal identity for years

Im not in Kash Patels "trust me bro" cult ....

[TommyT139]

21. Not sure what you are getting at here

The timeline seems to be that Tyler alerted the housemate to the note under the computer keyboard after the event, and that was followed by the texts we have.

But clearly from the responses of the housemate as we have them, had there been foreknowledge on this person's part, police would have been notified.

[LyfeTimeDem]

25. no one .....literally no one believes it

Seriously ..... young gamerbrains do not text each other like that.....and they dont have that supposed note....Kash said they have a picture of it..

The reason we have not heard from Twiggs is they are threatening him with being an accomplice if he doesnt cooperate.. aka support their narrative that Tyler was a stone cold liberal.

[Skittles]

26. just curious

are you a, er, "young gamerbrain"

I would love to hear from those folk, certainly they'd have some valuable input.

[LyfeTimeDem]

27. they dont typically hang out here

"WE" are too "uncool" for them. They are living in the cyber. They have their own world there and spend most of thier time there. Just like Trump is now the entire identity for the MAGA......that world they created are their "personas" this reality is their "alternate reality" their alter ego is here not there. They live in the upside down where they make all the rules....where they bend and break every norm we know. Its like living inside an LSD trip nearly all of their lives....some of them are the Artists (the furries,) and some of them are warriors in warfare gaming....but the all cross back and forth

[Skittles]

29. I wish I knew some

I know some young folk but none of them identify with these folk. I think everyone carves out a bit of a bubble for themselves these days but when your entire identity is wrapped in it and they are seemingly so easily manipulated, that is very scary indeed.

[TommyT139]

34. Oh, "literally" no one?

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[LyfeTimeDem]

35. oh its going to be like that?

Even Steve Bannon doesnt...

Everywhere...no one believes it both sides of the aisle

[TommyT139]

37. Silly

I'm saying that lots of people do think it sounds legit.

But sure, use Steve Bannon as a reality check.

[BoRaGard]

11. Yes indeed - it reads very strangely, almost like AI

Since the repubes are handling this, I'm unable to extend any trust whatsoever that they might be telling something truthful. They just don't do that.

[DFW]

14. That was my impression as well.

As one who has had some experience writing fictitious dialogue, and knows how difficult it is to try to put real-sounding words in someone else’s mouth, I found the dialogue to be anything but that of two live people. I have no knowledge of the two individuals to whom the exchange is attributed, so that’s just my impression.

[IbogaProject]

36. Remember two investigations, State-Local & then Federal

So it isnt clear which of those two released or leaked this.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

12. Lots of suspicion about the transcript, discussed online

[Celerity]

13. the texts are listed in the official charging document filed in court

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html



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[moniss]

15. It doesn't mean the "transcript"

is unedited and this all still reads very unnatural. It is not an uncommon thing for things as presented in a charging document to be found inaccurate at trial. I'm questioning the veracity of this purported transcript presenting this "conversation" as complete and sequential and with no edits and the very unnatural way this purported conversation sounds.

[Celerity]

16. There is an extraordinarily low chance that the prosecutors would file false/tampered evidence with the charging docs.

Not only would it destroy the case if exposed, but they would likely face prison time themselves.

[moniss]

17. Whast have the prosecutors tried filing

in ICE cases? Prosecutors have had to eat claims in all manner of cases on a routine basis. Just because something is in an indictment etc. doesn't mean it is true and accurate as presented. Sad to say but in this country law enforcement, right wingers, prosecutors and courts have shown themselves repeatedly to not deserve open acceptance of the things they say or claim about literally anything.

[Celerity]

18. Colour me extremely sceptical that they would invent or rewrite these messages in this extraordinarily high profile case

Especially when the e-messaging firm has them stored on their servers and could instantly refute a fake/altered text message fobbed off by the prosecutors as legitimate evidence.

[harumph]

19. I too am skeptical, but I'm constantly amazed at the chutzpah (and stupidity) of this administration.

If they think there is the slimmest chance of getting away with something, they might try it. I know that sounds
implausible, but shit - look where we are.

[Celerity]

20. But the Utah state prosecutors are not from the Trump administration.

[harumph]

23. I suppose that is right - but interference possible?

[Celerity]

24. There is almost zero chance they would risk blowing the case by putting in fake and/or wilfully altered evidence,

not to mention risk prison time for themselves.

[Wiz Imp]

31. The following is not a great source but some interesting points made nonetheless

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1968031696605053366%7Ctwgr%5Ed4762930d1b26c2c2e5b1314d926464cdffbb684%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftyler-robinson-lance-twiggs-texts-charlie-kirk-2131025

IS UTAH TRYING TO LOSE THIS CASE?! - UT v Robinson

I just watched Utah Prosecutor Jeff Gray publicly read aloud private text messages, interviews, and alleged confessions during a press conference - BEFORE TRIAL - about UT v. Tyler Robinson (Charlie Kirk Shooting Case)
He even referred to them at the press conference as FACTS. Are you kidding me?

Oversharing inculpatory evidence like this is a HUGE constitutional no-no.

Even the slap on of a vague disclaimer like “we want a fair trial,” the damage is already done.

Also, the statements by Gray of "We will not be speaking to the press during the trial" AFTER READING ACTUAL TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE COURT, is a lame and empty attempt to cover this massive violation of
= due process, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, etc
= the presumption of innocence,
= and the integrity of the entire case.

This is not just an error in strategy, this is potentially a legally destructive action.

We will see motions to:
Suppress tainted jury pools
Request sequestration or gag orders
Move for change of venue
Seek exclusion of evidence due to taint or even
Mistrial!
Ultimately, the defense may assert reversible error on appeal if the court fails to act

It is NOT a subject up to interpretation. There is long standing case law on this.

The Supreme Court in Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966) reversed Sheppard’s conviction, ruling 7–2 that he was denied a fair trial due to a failure to shield the proceedings from prejudicial media coverage.

Majority Opinion (Justice Clark):
The Court held that while freedom of the press is essential, it must not override a defendant’s right to a fair trial.

[TommyT139]

22. And the witness' lawyer could immediately refute.

So in that sense, this is entire unlike the ICE persecutions.

I really don't understand what the concern is here -- do the DUers on this and similar threads think that Tyler is being, what, set up?

Or that there's some odd trans angle? If anything, this account makes clear that trans people aren't at all involved in this crime...except insofar as Charlie Kirk has for years been fanning the flames of transphobic hate, helping to achieve rates of violence against trans people that raised death rates beyond many other sectors of the US population.

[Doodley]

30. Team Trump want to publicize the relationship with a person who is trans to 1/ Show that Robinson was from the left

or radicalized from the left. 2/ Use that to blame the left for violence against political figures on the right, damaging the image of the Democratic Party, and strengthening the Republican Party. 3/Use that as a pretext to target and silence critics of Trump, in the media and in politics (example Jimmy Kimmel) and bring in more draconian executive orders. 4/Use all that to move the needle further towards full control of the media and dictatorship.

[moniss]

32. The e-firm will be under orders not

to discuss this which is usual procedure in cases especially with the FBI.

[TommyT139]

38. Thanks for posting facts

Here is the link to the whole document for those who wish to read it:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26098839-tyler-robinson-charging-document/

(Courtesy NBC)

[Doodley]

28. If the roommate dies in custody or soon after, I will believe the texts are fake. They would have to otherwise threaten

him or brainwash him sufficiently to ensure he sticks to the story. If he dies, it's hard to disprove the texts.

[TommyT139]

33. The roommate is not in custody.

[Doodley]

39. In that case, it seems unlikely the text messages have been faked by the authorities.