Everyone on DU is expert at something.

[yardwork]

Some DUers are engineers, others are scientists, lawyers, medical and mental health experts, financial wizards, hunters, chefs, artists, etc.

I learn a lot from DUers and I try to listen when the experts in certain areas speak up.

I am an editor and an expert at listening to people's exact words to understand them. I have decades of experience doing this.

And in my opinion...

There is something very unusual about the supposed texts or Discord messages sent between Tyler Robinson and his roommate.

The language and syntax are stilted and internally inconsistent. They are not just unusual for a 22 year old's texts. They would be unusual for anyone at any age to be writing. As others have said, they sound like poorly executed AI trained on bad romance novels.

That's it. That's the extent of my expertise. I'll leave it to others to draw conclusions. I can think of a few possibilities:

1. Tyler and his roommate wrote the texts and deliberately wrote in this bizarre way, either as a joke or to cover up something. For instance, maybe the messages are a code. Or maybe they just thought it was funny. Maybe it's part of their gamer subculture.

2. Somebody else wrote the messages, perhaps to reinforce the FBI narrative.

I don't have a problem believing that Tyler shot Kirk because Kirk promoted hateful beliefs. I don't have a problem believing that Tyler was in a relationship with a trans woman. Any of this and more is possible.

What is not possible, in my opinion, is that there isn't more to these text messages than they appear. That's all.

[jmbar2]

1. i think he's an immature poser trying to imitate a "romantic" style of writing to impress his friend

I suspect that if we could see a larger sample of their writings to each other that it would be in that stilted style.

[Irish_Dem]

10. yes it would be very important to get legitimate examples of past writing style.

It would then be easy to determine if the recent texts are consistent or abnormal.

[Walleye]

13. I keep thinking, Tyler wasn't stupid. He was a straight a student and earned a scholarship.

He could have easily been capable of doing something weird like this. He sure didn’t sound like a guy trying to get away from a murder rap. He went straight to his dad‘s house.

[Irish_Dem]

15. What would the motive be for changing his writing style after the murder?

Deliberately.

[Walleye]

26. I don't know, but if it is AI, it's a pretty clumsy attempt

Seems like nobody’s believing it

[Irish_Dem]

29. It is not unusual for a murderer to try use writing style to cover up a crime.

The crime scene can be staged to make it look like someone did the crime.
But amateurs are not great at this staging process.

Good investigators can determine if the murderer wrote the fake note or not.

For example a man who kills his wife may write a fake suicide note, etc.

If we could get prior writing examples from the suspect and then the notes right
after the murder we should be able to determine the veracity.
And if we know the suspect's education level, work experience, hobbies, etc.

[pandr32]

2. My guess would be #2.

That's how this regime rolls.

[Silent Type]

3. Seems to me it's difficult to determine emotions behind texts read by some old monotone investigator.

I doubt anyone "doctored" the emails/texts. If they had, they would have gone out of the way to blame Democrats, probably would have added they found plans to kill other GOPers and trump, etc.

Plus, doctoring records that might be somewhere else in its pure form is the fastest way to be discredited, ask doctors in malpractice lawsuits who try to change documentation when several entities have various versions.

Plus, honestly, does anyone really know the appropriate words after shooting someone, or learning that your partner killed someone and will likely spend the rest of their life in jail.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Even under stress people will still exhibit behavior consistent with their typical behavior.

Even when acting out and under severe stress.
People do not make 100% change in their behavior in one instance.

This is how FBI profilers can make fairly reliable personality profiles of suspects
based upon crime scene evidence.

[Silent Type]

12. Probably true, but don't think those things come across in texts.

[Irish_Dem]

16. There are LE investigators who spend their entire lives evaluating written material.

[Silent Type]

17. Do you have a citation from a few on this issue?

[Irish_Dem]

18. I am refuting your general comment about evaluation of written material from crime scenes.

I am not presenting a review of expert witness testimony on specific cases.

If you are interested in this topic, please feel free to google the topic.
It is fascinating.

[Silent Type]

20. When you get a citation from some, I'd like to read them.

[Irish_Dem]

92. I doubt experts are going to make public an analysis of Kirk's text messages.

[NJCher]

23. excuse me, but you're thinking

things through.

They don't do that, remember?

[yardwork]

44. I'm not talking about doctoring or altering the messages.

I have no opinion about that.

It is my opinion, however, that the writing is very unusual for 20-somethings writing in 2025.

I don't know whether this is the way these two typically write, they wrote this way on this occasion for a specific reason, or somebody else wrote it.

The messages deserve a lot of scrutiny because they are odd. That's all I'm saying.

[Keepthesoulalive]

4. Why would anyone believe anything coming from this administration

Did anyone notice they hit every branch of the maga trigger tree except they couldn’t pull off he was black and atheist.

[littlemissmartypants]

28. Bingo!

[yardwork]

45. I did notice that. I also don't trust anything coming out of this DOJ.

That doesn't prove the messages were faked but it sure raises questions.

[Keepthesoulalive]

50. The only proof we supposedly have

Is coming from people who said there are no Epstein files. They have an agenda and they are using right wing words that strike irrational fears in maga. They fired anyone who didn’t agree to their agenda meaning competent investigators. They have not told the truth about anything but people believe they are telling the truth about this. I am not concerned about the demise of a slick bigot but I do not want a marginalized group terrorized .

[Skittles]

70. THANK YOU

YOU ARE CORRECT

[still-prayin4rain]

5. He was sitting in his car nervously waiting for the 'lingering' 'squad car' to leave to see if he could 'retrieve' his

rifle, right? But he knew two suspects had been interrogated (a crazy old guy and someone dressed like him). And he decided while sitting there to confess over text in great detail. And he started the detailed confession with directing his roommate to a note he left confessing and then saying he hoped to take the secret to his grave.

He then went point by point including the clothes he wore, engraving the bullets, the cost of the scope, the gun, where he hid it, why he did it, his family members political leanings, etc. -- all while sitting there trying to figure out how to retrieve the rifle he had taken apart to jump off the building, but then reassembled before leaving in the woods.

It's weird. And apparently, text spoofing is a known issue in criminal cases: https://tjaglcs.army.mil/tal-2020-issue-2/Post/6271/The-Spoof-Is-in-the-Evidence

I don't know enough to say who did what, of course, but I do know this is very, very weird. And I also know the federal government has been overtaken by abject liars and corruption.

[sop]

9. Exactly. Why would he recount details of the murder while also trying to hide the evidence? It makes no sense.

[70sEraVet]

30. He wasnt in his car -- he was in his 'vehicle'! (typical gen z speak)

I not an expert in ANYTHING, but .....
If somebody that I cared about, out of the blue, told me that they just committed a murder, "How long have you been planning this?" WOULDN'T have been my response. Maybe, "What's your plan now?".

Our country is being run by a criminal organization, top to bottom. ANY evidence will be FALSE evidence.

[still-prayin4rain]

34. Right? Along with, dude, stop texting every SINGLE detail to me. Sheesh.

[yardwork]

46. Both sides of the conversation are odd.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

71. And none of that sounded "romantic"

[still-prayin4rain]

72. Detailed, succinct confessions rarely do "my love"

[MorbidButterflyTat]

74. Are you flirting with me?

[still-prayin4rain]

76. Haha

[leftstreet]

6. Do these "texts" have a date/time stamp?

[Tom Dyer]

33. On IHIP today

they said no.

[Torchlight]

7. The whole thing comes across as pretty damn sketchy to me.

Seems naïve (at best - or maybe worst, depending on agenda) to accept the evidence as is when presented by the looney tunes administration. I'm going to sit back, keep my ears open and watch this thing to its end. I've little doubt the narratives presented by the Important Conservative Males running the show are anything but fanfiction for sealions.

[Alice B.]

36. This is also the same administration that photoshopped phony gang tattoos...

… and poorly, on a photo of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Which still blows my mind. One more thing on the scrap heap of consequences.

[RockRaven]

8. I thought they sounded unnatural but didn't know exactly how to word it.

I hold open the possibility that they are genuine, of course, because people can be strange. But there are bits that seem like bad TV drama dialogue.

[haele]

14. As someone who does re-creation events and grew up with a classical education...

The text messages sound like they were either an 19th century children's novel about the far, exotic medieval past or the mysterious Orient, or 1920's penny-dreadfuls/soft core porn novellas.
Kipling's Just So stories comes to mind - "List' now to my story on the Pasha and the Monkey, oh Best Beloved..."
Now, it could be that these young men were being ironically affected. Playing Anachronists...

BTW, taking a feminine role in a relationship does not mean that partner is Transgender; just means that partner, if male, is Queer-Fem, according to my LGBTQ+ friends. And the relationship could be platonic rather than sexual.

IME, Conservatives tend to be really Queer about relationships that aren't totally "traditional". Close same sex relationships that aren't familial (not to mention any opposite sex relationships) always seem to have a sexual or sexual dominance component to them. You can't just be close friends. There always has to be a strong sexual male to dominate.

[NJCher]

31. kinda' like Patsy Ramsey sounding like a

"small foreign faction."



Since you can't read the text because it's too small, here's a readable version. I have highlighted a few of the more hilarious areas where Patsy Ramsey tries to sound like a "small foreign faction," the kidnappers:

“Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We do respect your bussiness [sic] but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our posession [sic]. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

Note: Isn't it just too funny that the kidnappers would respect her husband's business but not the USA! 'Cuz they are a "small foreign faction." Sure you are.

Also note the deliberate mispellings.

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a [sic] earlier delivery pick-up of your daughter.

Note: Criminals probably don't know what an "attache" is. And furthermore, they don't advise their victims to be rested.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart [sic] us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back.

You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours. It is up to you now John!

Note: the part about growing a brain was a line in a movie which coincidentally was on videotape on the Ramseys' bed stand.

Victory!

S.B.T.C.”

[ShazzieB]

59. It was never an established fact that Patsy wrote that letter.

Furthermore, while some may not be completely convinced, the Boulder District Attorney's Office fully exonerated the Ramseys and their son Burke (9 years old when his sister died) back in 2008. I don't think it's appropriate to refer to someone who is no longer under suspicion as if they are assumed to be guilty.

20/20 did an episode on this back in 12/24.

https://abc30.com/post/jonbenet-ramsey-case-gets-renewed-attention-28-years-after-murder/15651640/

JonBenét Ramsey case gets renewed attention 28 years after her murder

Advancements in DNA technology and a surge of public interest are rekindling hope for breakthroughs in the long-unsolved murder of 6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey, a case that has remained a haunting mystery for nearly 28 years.

As new techniques emerge and fresh attention is drawn to the evidence, many are eager for answers that could finally bring closure to this tragic story.

*snip*

Ramsey collaborated with director Joe Berlinger, who aimed to illuminate what he described as one of the most victimized families in American history.

"Obviously, he wasn't legally wrongfully convicted, but he was wrongfully convicted," Berlinger said. "And his wife Patsy -- the family were wrongfully convicted in the court of public opinion."

More details at above link.

[NJCher]

62. yeah, I'm well aware of that

Not going to get into a discussion that diverts on this thread.

Let's stick to the subject.

[ShazzieB]

63. I agree about not diverting the thread.

It was never my intention to do so.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

73. I agree.

Not cool.

[yardwork]

47. I had the same thoughts.

The word usage and phrasing sounds like somebody trying to imitate 19th century Romantic literature (and the 20th century knock-offs). It could be deliberate, as you say. They could be trying to imitate writers or styles they admire.

They could think the whole thing is a joke. (One part of the exchange implies that the bullet etching messages were deliberate jokes, and Tyler finds it funny that the media are taking them at face value. I found that to be one of the more genuine parts of the exchange.)

[mcar]

19. I agree - those texts sound suspiciouly

like they were written by someone who thinks that's how "the Left" speaks.

[Botany]

21. Bingo

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132288754

[twodogsbarking]

22. Prior to computers, shredders were used. That way there isn't a shred of evidence. Only evidence shredded.

I mostly excell in bullshit but occasionally I find a nut. Nice of you to pick a name synonomous with something everyone likes.

[yardwork]

48. My name, yardwork?

Does everyone like that? People seem to think I'm a dude riding a lawnmower with a beer in hand!

🤣

[twodogsbarking]

51. Sure, everyone loves yardwork, it is yard work that they don't.

[yardwork]

53. Awwwww!

Thank you!

[twodogsbarking]

54. Keep up the good yard work, yardwork.

[senseandsensibility]

24. One of the parts that sounded phony to me was

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Robinson calling his roommate "my love". Oddly formal and old fashioned, especially for (barely) twenty somethings. Not even my parents called each other that. It's like something you would hear in a 1930's movie.

[blue_jay]

35. Yep, that sounded odd to me too

do a lot young or older men talk that way these days via text?

[senseandsensibility]

41. Not that I know of

But then again I'm not privy to their "romantic" texts. Still. it just doesn't sound authentic to me.

[LearnedHand]

64. I call my cats "my love"

But that prolly doesn’t count and I’m not Gen Z.

[still-prayin4rain]

69. I guess slipping, "we're for sure involved romantically," into the text thread proved difficult.

I wonder which genuis had the idea to just sprinkle in "my love" a couple of times for that talking point.

[Kali]

25. I would like to know more about the roommate.

agree the text in the charging document seems off, but I would also want to see more examples/exchanges. need more context for comparison.

[yardwork]

49. Yes, we would need more context and examples.

I really don't have a clue what the truth is. I'm just not taking these messages at face value right away.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. I'm no expert in FBI practices, but they are prob reconstructed in the absence of actual texts

I think the FBI detected that texts had been sent, and have a picture of the note under the keyboard. But they were not able to capture the actual texts.

So they interviewed the partner (lover) and wrote the "reconstructed texts" in FBI speak. I seem to remember Patel saying something about "forensic" work on the texts that made it sound like they do not have the actual texts but reconstructed them.

[leftstreet]

32. +1

That's what I read. Reconstructed texts.

And I could see them using AI to assemble the data they gathered. Probably useless at trial, but they desperately wanted to get something "conclusive" out to the media, so this would all start sliding off the headlines.

[yardwork]

52. I'm not an expert in FBI speak but this sounds different to me.

It's possible the FBI ran a synopsis through AI but even then, the language and syntax seem very odd. If they translated it into "FBI-speak" I would expect different words and phrasing.

We don't even seem to know the source of these messages. Were they texts, Discord posts, or a recreated note?

[allegorical oracle]

37. Given that I'm an old reader who has corrected many student papers, I feel qualified to say that

people don't write like they speak. Especially if they're trying to impress a specific reader (his romantic partner? law enforcement?).

This young man seems emotionally repressed -- living at home until a relatively mature age -- yet he remains immature, stunted, and perhaps romantically involved for the first time in his life. His desire to please seems to dominate his thought process -- but his personal situation evolved to resentment when he perceived that his partner was being demeaned.

He made a deliberate move to protect someone for whom he cared. And after that unfortunate decision, he turned himself in. This is a case, for me, of "it is what it is". Patently straightforward. And it wouldn't be the first time that some wag would point out that being in love is a form of insanity. He will pay a dear price...as did Kirk. Because words matter.

[moniss]

43. I have no quibble with the idea

he did it but this "transcript" has serious concerns as to the veracity of how this is laid out. I'm not seeing anywhere that someone at the telecom is swearing to the authenticity and timeline of the texts as being correct. I'm not seeing an affidavit from anybody about it. All I'm seeing is this plunked into the middle of a charging document. Nothing from either of the two people supposedly texting swearing to the authenticity.

[sheshe2]

38. "My love"

Sounds like it came from one of those Romance novels (bodice jerkers).

[MorbidButterflyTat]

89. I think they were called "bodice rippers"

Hot stuff, and so much more romantic.

[usonian]

39. Detect if content is AI-generated. (suggestion)

https://www.detect-ai.me/

Free

[moniss]

40. As I said in my post about this last night it

doesn't make sense to me how matter of fact the texts are for someone who has just committed a murder and for someone being told that someone they care about has committed a murder. There is no "Holy Crap!! What?? Wait a minute what did you say? You're kidding me right? You're not serious. Come on this is a joke right?" sorts of expressions anywhere. No sense of emotional response. Just talking like it's a trip to the grocery store. In fact I've seen people get more excited than this for going to the store.

[yardwork]

57. And the roommate never says, "call me!!" Call me right now!!"

Or, "I just tried to call you! Why arent you picking up?! WTF!!"

It just seems staged. Who staged it and why I don't know.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

90. You are so right

"Hey mi amor, I just killed someone. Need anything from the grocery store?"

[popsdenver]

42. Regardless

The net-net is that "they" are using this to the MAX, plus more, to preach to their followers.

Just one more MAJOR smokescreen to divert attention from Epstein/Trump.........and everything else the 2025 and Steven Miller are doing in the shadows, and behind smoke and mirrors..............

[spooky3]

55. Thank you. FWIW, lots of posters on Threads yesterday agreed with you. Nt

[LearnedHand]

56. I thought so too

But was thinking I shouldn’t indulge in conspiracy theories.

[yardwork]

58. Skepticism is never a bad thing.

It's not necessarily a conspiracy. OTOH, it's not necessarily not.

This is the DOJ who faked photos of tattoos on a man and deported him to a torture prison in El Salvador. The same people who insist there are no Epstein files. I'd say there are very real conspiracies afoot.

[LearnedHand]

66. Well there's that

[yardwork]

67. Yeah, we're living in strange times.

[UpInArms]

60. Why did tyler

Have to explain that his father was MAGA to his “partner” in these texts?

That makes no sense

[yardwork]

68. One of the fishiest parts of it, I thought.

[ShazzieB]

61. I haven't seen these texts and don't have time to look for them right now.

So I don't have an opinion on them yet. But i will look for them when I get a chance.

[yardwork]

79. A DUer posted them in this thread:

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220650877

[ShazzieB]

83. Thanks!

Going to check it out right now.

[hadEnuf]

65. What are the odds of Kirk's assasin being involved with a transgender person?

I mean talk about a coincidence.

Plus, he was an idiot to leave the gun at the scene which was over run by local, state and federal authorities at that point. Then to return to the scene to retrieve it? It sounds like a 1950's western movie.
This just doesn't smell right.

[Wiz Imp]

75. Interesting that even people on the far right are questioning the veracity of the texts.

https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-lance-twiggs-texts-charlie-kirk-2131025

Writing on X, popular account Catturd said the text exchange "sounds like a script."

Former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon said on his podcast: "I'm not buying those text messages. It just seems too stilted, too much like a script."

Political commentator Candace Owens said the messages were "clearly doctored."

Meanwhile, constitutional attorney KrisAnne Hall said sharing the texts could damage the trial because the testimony and evidence has not yet been vetted by the court.

Link to tweet

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[still-prayin4rain]

78. "popular account Catturd" .... haha

[Wiz Imp]

81. It's ridiculous, but he is a huge influencer on the right.

3.9 million followers on X and has been retweeted by Trump many times.

FromWikipedia:
Catturd (born September 18, 1964) is the online identity of right-wing American Twitter shitposter and Internet troll Phillip Buchanan. The account is known for its scatological humor, as well as spreading conspiracy theories and disinformation.

In the 2010s, Buchanan began posting on Disqus under stories from websites such as Breitbart News. The Twitter handle @catturd had been taken in 2010, and Catturd denied being the poster of the suspended account @CATTURD1. @catturd2 was created in September 2018. Over a year later, his account had over 100,000 followers, and half a million by the end of 2020. President Donald Trump retweeted Catturd seven times. Media Matters for America accused Buchanan of violating Twitter's platform manipulation policy, attempting to boost hashtags into the trending topics list.

[Bluestocking]

77. I must disagree with you first assumption

I am not an expert at anything.

[yardwork]

80. I feel sure that you are!

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Self-awareness?

You seem awfully good at that.
Self-deprecation? Maybe moreso!

[Wiz Imp]

84. Wow. This is insane.

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1968171728812798121%7Ctwgr%5E2ec0cd006ae5358edfac4d84741a0057d13536f1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latintimes.com%2Fleft-right-even-chat-gpt-agree-that-text-messages-between-charlie-kirks-killer-his-589677

half the right thinks the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the trans person, the other half think the shooter is a patsy cus it was israel that killed charlie kirk

i will say the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the investigators. unnatural.

hassan is a self described Socialist.

Link to tweet

Candace Owens just dropped a bomb:

“The texts are fake.”

She says the DOJ doctored Tyler Robinson’s messages, selectively edited, cherry-picked, and released without timestamps to frame a narrative.

[ShazzieB]

85. Now that I've looked at them...

I honestly don't find the texts all that strange. Different from the way most people that age text? Seems likely, but I lack firsthand knowledge of that, as I don't text with anyone in that age group. But I wouldn't call the language and syntax stilted.

Some of the texts are pretty wordy, but nothing about it sounds fake to me. Not sure what you mean by "internally inconsistent." The punctuation and capitalization are inconsistent, but I don't think most people take a lot of care with such things in texting, especially younger people. And these were presumably written in haste, which probably means neither of them felt like felt like bothering about such things.

I don't see any reason to assume Tyler and his roommate did not write these texts. I suppose they are atypical in some ways, especially Tyler's side of the conversation, but people are all individuals and have their own individual writing styles. I feel like this is probably just Tyler's style. The roommate's comments are much shorter, and I can't tell much about their writing style, but Tyler obviously had a lot on his mind that he needed to covnvey and therefore had more to say.

[NJCher]

86. reads like a prosecutor's dream

Besides the stilted language ("I am still ok my love, but..." ) what stuck out to me was what poster hasanabi mentions above: "i will say the text messages are too perfectly plugging the holes for the investigators. unnatural."

When I read the content of the texts I was astonished at how Tyler laid out the prosecution's case.

Who does this? Supposedly this guy is smart, but that was not smart. This never happens, and if it did, it's over the top extraordinary.

[JoseBalow]

87. Easy to verify via cellphone provider's SMS server records

All text records are maintained and easily obtainable from their cellphone providers.

[ShazzieB]

88. Luke Beasley has some interesting things to say about this.

Check out the video I posted here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/132288824

[malaise]

91. Agree 100%

I fully expect him to be suicided before long.
He is as expendable to these people as those young girls and young women were and are the Jeffrey’s besties.

[yardwork]

93. I don't know. I'm not making any conclusions.

It seems to me that there are several different possible explanations.