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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(137,387 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 03:00 PM Sep 2025

Justice Department says it's suing Oregon and Maine as it seeks voter data in multiple states

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The Justice Department said Tuesday that it has sued Oregon and Maine for failing to turn over their voter registration lists, marking the first lawsuits the department has brought against states in its wide-ranging effort to get detailed voter data.

The department said the states were violating federal law by refusing to provide electronic copies of state voter registration lists and information regarding ineligible voters. It added that Oregon also did not provide information on how it maintains its voter list.

Oregon and Maine are among at least 26 states that the department has asked for voter registration rolls in recent months, according to an Associated Press tally.

“States simply cannot pick and choose which federal laws they will comply with, including our voting laws, which ensure that all American citizens have equal access to the ballot in federal elections,” Assistant Attorney General Harmeet K. Dhillon of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division said in a news release.

https://apnews.com/article/justice-department-voter-rolls-lawsuit-oregon-maine-53e2b03d9bd89750fe684d97c0d74511

Guess Washington state will be next because they've told the Feds to go fuck themselves on this topic.

Per the U.S. Constitution the administration of elections is the purview of the states.

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Justice Department says it's suing Oregon and Maine as it seeks voter data in multiple states (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2025 OP
Let me guess: Chasstev365 Sep 2025 #1
I'd give at least 5-1 odds that you are exactly correct AZJonnie Sep 2025 #2
And by "Federal Law" they of course mean "decree by executive fiat" AZJonnie Sep 2025 #3
DOJ's new lawsuit seems to show DOJ is violating federal law LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2025 #4

Chasstev365

(8,124 posts)
1. Let me guess:
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 03:05 PM
Sep 2025

Lower courts will dismiss Trump's suit due to no merit or standing, but on appeal to the Supreme Court they will side with Trump with no explanation.

AZJonnie

(4,016 posts)
3. And by "Federal Law" they of course mean "decree by executive fiat"
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 04:11 PM
Sep 2025

I'm pretty dang certain that the LAW (and/or SCOTUS decisions) says the only role of the Federal Government in administering elections is that they may act to make sure groups of people are not disenfranchised based on things like sex, race, politics, etc. And even then, they need evidence to pursue such (evidence which has never included the Feds requisitioning the information of every voter in the state). Trump has DICK in that regard apart from lies and bullshit conspiracy theories.

EVERY state need to tell this asshat to GET BENT wrt these demands

Let me also add that if the Right had even an ounce of intellectual integrity, they'd be calling bullshit on this as well. They've been whining forever about Federal Laws that prohibit states from disenfranchisement based on race, saying it's not the Feds purview. Time for them step up and show that they actually believe their own talk. Even if they won't do it on pure principle, they should consider that a Democratic POTUS would logically have the same power.

LetMyPeopleVote

(182,006 posts)
4. DOJ's new lawsuit seems to show DOJ is violating federal law
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 10:47 AM
Sep 2025

The DOJ's demands for these voter lists are evidently to build a nationwide voter database. These efforts may be violating federal law. A law professor has been writing extensively on this issue. I apologize but the articles set forth below are in law professor speak and are abstract and not easy to follow. If you go to the links, you will see that the law professor cites himself extensively and relies on his prior articles which is frustrating.

DOJ’s new lawsuit seems to show DOJ is violating federal law - Election Law Blog

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=152107

Servelan (@servelan.newsie.social.ap.brid.gy) 2025-09-19T06:56:49.000Z

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=152107

But the real sticking point for me is the Privacy Act, which I think affirmatively precludes the DOJ from getting the voter files until it answers some basic questions about who would have access to what information for what purpose. (Indeed, the Privacy Act makes it a federal crime to collect the info first and explain later.)

The DOJ has been demanding these files with such confidence that I’ve been wondering whether there’s some not-visible-to-outsiders internal document that relieves those Privacy Act concerns. Both the Oregon complaint and the Maine complaint begin to lay out DOJ’s response to why it’s complying with the Privacy Act. And if what they said is all they got, that’s an awful lot of confidence without the substance to back it up.

In the complaints, most of the DOJ responses on the Privacy Act (including their citation of a website for voluntary reports by individual citizens of civil rights violations) are non sequiturs: they just don’t answer the question. But the DOJ does mention the “systems of records notices” – the disclosure required under the Privacy Act – that it thinks authorize grabbing the voter files. (Here, here, and here.) There’s only one that’s even plausibly relevant: it’s the one that allows the Civil Rights Division (CRT) to keep general info on targets, victims, and witnesses associated with their cases. The notice is pretty straightforward, and its roots go back to 1975 (when the information was stored “on index cards and file jackets”). .....

I suspect that the states resisting DOJ’s demands are going to respond, in part, by saying that they’ve got the right (and responsibility) to decline to abet DOJ’s violation of federal law. That, in turn, means that the DOJ is likely to have to defend its compliance with the Privacy Act in court, with federal judges probing whether they’ve done their homework. And that is a resolution I think Oregon and Maine – and their citizens – are likely to welcome.

The law professor has written a number of articles on the apparent violation of the privacy act by the DOJ
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=151626
That statute is the Privacy Act of 1974. It says that before the federal government collects records on individuals, the government has to facilitate a public conversation – a Federal Register notice and notification to congressional committees — about what information it plans to collect, why it needs the information, who has access, and the like. That’s 5 U.S.C. § 552a(e)(4) and 552a(r). Federal officials who collect info on Americans without this public notice are committing a federal crime. State officials who intend to help the Civil Rights Division blow past this notice requirement may be abetting that crime.

The new letters mention a totally different part of the Privacy Act, and otherwise make some noises about privacy, but those are mostly non sequiturs. I still haven’t seen any indication that the Civil Rights Division has done the homework the Privacy Act requires to collect the voter files. They’ve provided notices on some information the Division maintains in the course of regular enforcement work: enforcing civil rights means you’ll collect some info about victims and targets and witnesses. But none of those notices fairly flag that the Division plans to accumulate a national voter file, with the personal information (and First Amendment activity) of Americans who aren’t any of the above.

The Privacy Act isn’t just a process barrier of its own. It also provides important context for understanding the litigation-hold provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1960. Given increasing congressional skepticism of federal government acquisition of Americans’ personal data in 1974, it would be deeply weird (not to mention ahistorical) to read the 1960 statute to override the careful constraints in the Privacy Act, giving the Civil Rights Division the authority to vacuum up information on more than 155 million voters, without any individualized “basis” and in service of an invented federal power to double-check every state’s list. Instead, reading the two statutes together helps confirm that the Civil Rights Act authority is as we thought it was: authorizing the AG to get specific information where there’s reason to believe there was a particularized problem in an election within the last 22 months.

The states that are opposing these requests will be litigating this issue. This law professor believes that the courts will rule against the DOJ
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=152233
I’ve not been shy about my feelings about the merits of the DOJ’s demands under HAVA or the NVRA or the CRA, or about what I still think are grievously unanswered questions about Privacy Act lapses subjecting DOJ officials to criminal liability. (See, for example, here, here, and here.) Now there are eight opportunities for federal judges to decide whether those concerns are right or wrong — and eight reasons for other states to wait for the courts rather than rush to comply with an unwarranted demand — and I think that’s also a good thing. (And even if the states lose, having disclosure driven by court order — including the potential for court-supervised confidentiality protections otherwise unavailable in just responding to a DOJ letter — also seems like a win.)

The law nerd in me is looking forward to following these lawsuits.

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