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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUS Senate UNANIMOUSLY passes Remembrance Day Oct 14th for Kirk
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/senate-unanimously-passes-resolution-designating-october-14-as-national-charlie-kirk-day-of-remembrance/amp_articleshow/123984649.cmsReally Democrats, Fucking really? George Floyds birthday!?
Our party has lost its way.
droidamus2
(1,716 posts)Not happy but from a political game point of view the negatives for voting against this one day remember ends bs would be worse than jyst holding your nose and voting for it. The rightwing propaganda network is already using the Kirk murder for all they can get out of it voting against it would give them more the left hates and condo nab ed violence messages. Will they do it anyway sure but why give them more fodder for their ridiculous talking piints
robbob
(3,748 posts)But you know theyre just going to find another ridiculous talking point to bash us with.
(On edit) Just consider this for example: after Kirks death every major democratic leader, former President, spokesperson, etc. etc. stepped forward to condemn the attack. What did Fox News, tRump, and the Repug do in response? Jumped in to accuse us of politicizing the attack, gloating, celebrating, and anything else they could think of. Facts dont matter to these people, they just make shit up and spew it out for their brain dead followers to lap up.
choie
(6,801 posts)Let them accuse us of it. Maybe the dems should stand there and rile off all of the many shootings perpetrated by people on the right. How hate is poured out each day by the far right/maga media. How convicted 34 times felon, sexual abuser trump spews hatred and perpetrates violence everyday through his ICE thugs? Oh that's right - that's divisive..when the Democrats do it.
Crunchy Frog
(28,220 posts)If the shoe were on the other foot, I doubt the republicans would do the same. And their base would eviscerate them if they did.
Why not a "Victims of Gun Violence Remembrance Day" instead?
vanlassie
(6,231 posts)I think its small potatoes to a bunch of adults in the room dealing with children.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)RVN VET71
(3,151 posts)When I heard our Senators queued up to vote in favor of an evil man like Kirk, I gasped. No, literally. I gasped. I wonder, did Chuck Schumer write one of his strongly worded letters commemorating the man who once said that black women were unintelligent, that empathy was a woke joke, that women are by nature subordinate to men, and that the slaughtering of children at their desks was a necessary evil to sustain our need -- our fucking need! -- for completely untrammeled gun rights?
I swear to god, if we had a viable 3rd party in this Country, I'd be moving away from the Democratic Party and its weak livered Senators. (I said "viable" as in a party that could challenge the 2 existing parties for serious power, which we don't have.
But I digress. If the Democratic Senators got together and decided to kiss Trump's ass on this issue, I give up. Oh I'll vote against Fascism, even if the only viable alternative is these buttheads. (I know what you might be thinking: but these men and women have done much good for America and are really the bulwark against the further destruction of Democracy by the now thoroughly Fascist former GOP. Sorry. They still have my vote. But not my confidence or admiration.)
Miles Archer
(22,235 posts)"THESE children LOST THEIR FATHER...they will grow up hardly knowing him...he was GUNNED DOWN by an assassin's bullet...and the DEMOCRATS..."
You can SEE and HEAR that ad, right? Because it's painfully easy to see the Republicans' long game from WAY down the road.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)when the resolution was agreed to by unanimous consent which requires neither a vote nor a quorum.
The resolution was not "passed". That requires a quorum and a vote.
From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.[/b]
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
JT45242
(3,923 posts)Spreading hate and lies even in death.
Way to remember him. He was full of hate, racist and favored taking rights away from women as well as others.
Crunchy Frog
(28,220 posts)Rebl2
(17,526 posts)dalton99a
(92,843 posts)
CrispyQ
(40,806 posts)I read that on FB & can't forget it. So perfect.
Ilsa
(64,026 posts)womanofthehills
(10,749 posts)I believe they pulled it. They actually called him The Master Debater repeatedly & they had a Master Debater school.
Ilsa
(64,026 posts)to it being restored to the episode lineup.
Montauk6
(9,328 posts)Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)
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Mr. Evil
(3,449 posts)Let's use that day to flood the internet to remind everyone what a vile racist, bigoted, misogynistic, piece of shit, tent revival charlatan, grifter he really was.
yardwork
(69,088 posts)Diraven
(1,856 posts)They'll claim since all the Democrats just voted to fully support and honor Kirk, who once said:
"MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe."
Then that means that Democrats must agree with that too so it's would be a fitting tribute. Also MLK Day is woke DEI and Trump made that illegal.
democrank
(12,385 posts)It would have been more to their credit if Democratic leaders had gathered outside with a billboard-sized sign of Kirk quotes. Lets see how many voters would honor him after reading that crap.
Chances are our under 30% approval rate wont improve after this Charlie Kirk Day vote.
KS Toronado
(23,380 posts)I can't see any Democrat voting for this crap let alone every D Senator.
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)Any senator could have objected and forced a roll call vote, none did.
LymphocyteLover
(9,552 posts)again.
Evrytingfinemon
(12 posts)Pathetic and cowardly.
KS Toronado
(23,380 posts)Everyone's reporting unanimous, was a surprise for me.
The Charlie Kirk Day resolution now heads to the House of Representatives, where Democrats are
grappling with how to respond.
Some party members fear that opposing the resolution could hand Republicans a political victory,
allowing them to portray Democrats as unsympathetic to Kirks assassination or free speech rights.
However, Representative Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas) said she plans to vote against it: Im not sure
what is honorable about many of Mr Kirks past statements, Crockett told Axios.
House just voted on it, 95 Democrats voted yea, 58 voted nay, 38 present, and 22 not voting.
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)There was no roll call vote as in the House.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)(BTW, it's not Charlie Kirk day - it's a single day not permanent since resolutions like this have o force of law behind them. It's strictly performative - pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of things). Only the Senate introduced the resolution for the day of remembrance and they did it by calling for unanimous consent while no Democrats were present, or the Democrats otherwise walked out).
The House vote referenced is the vote for the resolution "honoring" Charlie Kirk. Again, non-binding, performative, and pretty much meaningless, but a no vote by some Democrats can and will be attempted to be weaponized against them in next year's elections.
niyad
(130,470 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)tritsofme
(19,843 posts)If that were true, they technically could have called up any House-passed bill, or any other bill for that matter and moved it by unanimous consent.
Do you have a link? That aspect would seem to be truly the most important part of this story.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:54 PM - Edit history (2)
They could do it because it was a largely meaningless non binding resolution. This video at the 46 second mark shows Tuberville calling for unanimous consent. When he says "all in favor say aye", you can only hear one person say aye - that is presumably Rick Scott. Based on the Congressional Record, Senate Press Gallery & video, Hagerty, Tuberville, Moreno & Lankford were there and I assume Blackburn was also still present. But it's obvious the Senate was virtually empty.
On Edit: the distinction between legislation and a resolution relates to the fact that for a resolution like this, Democrats didn't care if Republicans passed it on their own so they didn't object to the lack of a quorum. However, for any remotely significant legislation, the Democrats would be sure to have someone there to ask for a quorum call to prevent Republicans from passing legislation with like 5 people present.
From the actual Voting and Quorum Procedures in the Senate:
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/96-452#:~:text=A%20straightforward%20reading%20of%20the,3
As a regular practice, however, the Senate presumes that it is complying with the Constitution. Therefore, it presumes that a quorum is always present unless and until the absence of a quorum is suggested or demonstrated:
The Senate operates on the presumption that a quorum is present at all times, under all circumstances, unless the question to the contrary is raised, or the absence of a quorum is officially shown, or until a point of no quorum is made even though a voice vote is taken and announced in the meantime.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/thursday-september-18-2025/
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)Thats not correct, it is in fact routine.
If there were actually no Democrats on the floor, it was nothing but the good manners of Senate Republicans that prevented them from passing any and everything.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)on the floor because the Democrats would object due to lack of a quorum. They didn't object to lack of a quorum on the day of remembrance resolution because it's largely meaningless - let the Republicans do their performative bullshit but don't expect us to give you something to weaponize against.
I have no idea where you're getting legislation can't be passed by unanimous consent, I said nothing of the sort.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The consideration of the resolution by unanimous consent proceeded outside of regular order.
From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. Tuberville: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)But even if there were, it doesnt make the resolutions passage less valid.
The Senate can, and routinely does, waive its quorum requirements by unanimous consent
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)Presuming that there are 100 senators (and there are), the minimum quorum is 51.
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Scott ("notwithstanding rule XXII" ) was careful not to invoke cloture . At the end of his ridiculous speech, Tuberville, suggested the absence of a quorum, a roll call was ordered and then stopped when Lankford asked for unanimous consent for the quorum call to be rescinded.
From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. Tuberville: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
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The Constitution states that "a Majority of each [House] shall constitute a quorum to do business." The Senate presumes that it is complying with this requirement and that a quorum is always present unless and until the absence of a quorum is suggested or demonstrated. This presumption allows the Senate to conduct its business on the floor with fewer than 51 Senators present until a Senator "suggests the absence of a quorum."
Except when the Senate has invoked cloture, the presiding officer may not count to determine if a quorum is present. When the absence of a quorum is suggested, therefore, the presiding officer directs the Clerk to call the roll. The Senate cannot resume its business until a majority of Senators respond to the quorum call or unless, by unanimous consent, "further proceedings under the quorum call are dispensed with" before the last Senator's name has been called. If a quorum fails to respond, the Senate may adjourn or take steps necessary to secure the attendance of enough Senators to constitute a quorum. It usually takes the latter course by agreeing to a motion that instructs the Sergeant at Arms to request the attendance of absent Senators.
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/96-452
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)Im not seeing why this is problematic.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The motion for rescission of the quorum call was made by a Republican
Had the roll call proceeded and had it been determined that the quorum requirement had not been met, the resolution would have been tabled rather than approved by those members present, once again by unanimous consent.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)The Senate can conduct business without a quorum - even as few as just a handful of people present as long as nobody objects. Anything important will always require a quorum because the other side would object to passing it without a quorum. The Democrats clearly deemed the Kirk Day of Remembrance resolution as unimportant so they let Republicans pass it wiht hardly anyone there.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)and created the backlog of Trump's nominees.
travelingthrulife
(4,813 posts)We have no adult representation.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)LearnedHand
(5,291 posts)I thought there might be a spine or two, or that theyd vote present at a minimum.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Ping Tung
(4,225 posts)ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Plus 99.99% of voters will have no clue such a vote ever took place.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)This kind of non resistance from our leaders makes me just want to say fuck it, Im out
Heidi
(58,846 posts)niyad
(130,470 posts)Good morning, niyad!
niyad
(130,470 posts)hunter
(40,476 posts)It seems like yesterday.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)But they can never take my precious memory of the first time I ever saw the RHPC on the big screen with audience participation. I was 17, raised Southern Baptist, and at this midnight event after senior prom. Its no exaggeration to say it changed my life trajectory for the infinitely better. Im not sure Id ever experienced genuine FUN until that night.
Mossfern
(4,652 posts)I still have her pink dress in her closet.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)Thank you for that, Mossfern. :love:
bedazzled
(1,885 posts)I can't wait!
wackadoo wabbit
(1,294 posts)Tim Curry is a national treasure.
Lars39
(26,507 posts)Vinca
(53,555 posts)I'm really fucking annoyed with Congressional Democrats.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)A resolution for a day of remembrance was introduced ONLY in the Senate, NOT the House. In the Senate it passed by unanimous consent meaning either no Democrats were present in the Chamber when the call for unanimous consent was meant, or any Democrats present walked out. NO DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE!
Also to be clear, resolutions like this are strictly performative and mostly meaningless. They have no force of law behind them. And the day of remembrance is a one time thing, nothing permanent.
questionseverything
(11,676 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)was introduced and unanimous consent called for beyond Rick Scott (who introduced the resolution), Marsha Blackburn, and Bill Hagerty. This happened at 1:15 pm on Thursday. The last Democrat to speak before Scott was Senator Hassan at 12:43 pm (and she spoke for at most 3 minutes). The next Democrat to speak after the resolution "passed" was Senator Warner at 2:58 pm.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/thursday-september-18-2025/
I can find no video of the Senate at that time showing any Democrats on the floor.
questionseverything
(11,676 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)and this video confirms the Senate was virtually empty when the call came for unanimous consent.
https://www.reddit.com/r/California_Politics/comments/1nl7y4d/removed_by_moderator/
Here's the actual "vote" (at about the 46 second mark). When he calls for everyone in favor to say "aye", you can only hear one voice (presumably Scott). The Senate floor was clearly virtually empty.
questionseverything
(11,676 posts)Im not saying you are definitely wrong, but you dont know for sure and yet youre up and down the page presenting your opinion as a certainty
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)The evidence from the video pretty much proves that TRUE. The Senate chamber is clearly effectively empty.
That was a stupid way for that reddit commenter to characterize it because it's totally irrelevant why they weren't there. The fact is, NO DEMOCRATS WERE PRESENT. Why you continue to deny reality in order to bash Democrats, I have no idea.
questionseverything
(11,676 posts)I think its pretty clear that the unanimous consent is not what the title suggests, it was technically unanimous consent because no one objected but clearly this didnt have the support of the full chamber
But
You still dont show proof of your assertion that no democrats were present, and the name calling isnt necessary and doesnt prove anything
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)The video that shows there is clearly nobody else present in the Senate is proof. I can't help it if you refuse to accept it.
questionseverything
(11,676 posts)lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The Congressional Record shows that cloture was not invoked (Senate rule XXII) and a quorum was not present.
From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)When he calls for all those in favor to say "Aye", only a single voice is audible. It's quite possible that the only person who actually said aye was Rick Scott though based on the Congressional Record & video, Hagerty, Tuberville, Moreno & Lankford were there and I assume Blackburn was also still present.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)And while an unfortunately large amount of it comes from other DU users most of that is unintentional because they have been misled into believing things that aren't true. The original source of it is the pathetic media. So many media stories have published things about this that are either misleading or flat out false.
Most of the media is saying the Senate voted unanimously. They must be taking that straight from Republican talking points. There was no vote. There was a call for unanimous consent while there were no more than a handful of people in the Senate. It appears only a single person actually voted AYE. So I guess one person can be unanimous but the media characterizing it as a unanimous vote is intentionally misleading people into thinking all Democrats supported it when the opposite is true.
Many stories said both the House & Senate voted for a Day of Remembrance for Kirk. Again, that is flat out false. The House has NOT voted on a resolution calling for a Day of Remembrance. They only voted on a resolution "honoring" Kirk. Most democrats strongly objected to the language in that resolution which is why a total of 118 refused to vote for it. By continually citing 58 no votes, the media are intentionally misleading and making it sound like the Democratic opposition was much weaker than it really was.
The media has presented these votes as being especially meaningful when in fact they are mostly meaningless. They are strictly performative. They are non binding. They have no power of law. Many media seemed to purposely write about them in such a way to make people think they were creating a special day to honor Kirk every year for eternity. They appeared todo this strictly to make their non-MAGA readers angry. Ultimately, these votes are not worth getting upset about because 99.9% ovf voters will never know they even ever occurred.
It's really been a shameful display by the media.
Vinca
(53,555 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)flor-de-jasmim
(2,267 posts)Heidi
(58,846 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)
No one should be killed for their opinions but CK was lucky to have died a fast death. George Floyd was accused of but NEVER convicted of passing a counterfeit $20 and sufferedcalling out for his motherfor 8 minutes and 46 seconds at the hands of the state. CK enjoyed enormous privilege even in death. There is no POC in the US who would have enjoyed such privilege for public behavior anywhere close to the shit CK spouted.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)ananda
(34,597 posts)Up is down, wrong is right,
life is death.
slightlv
(7,583 posts)Johnny2X2X
(23,826 posts)It's sickening we're honoring hate now. But politically, it was necessary.
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)They could have all voted no and it would still pass.
BannonsLiver
(20,316 posts)Unless one thinks this will somehow placate the maga mob and their media acolytes. Spoiler alert: It wont.
slightlv
(7,583 posts)but I'll add I'm sick and tired of it being said we have to do "this" or not do "that" because it's too political. Bullcrap! That's one of the things that got us into this mess in the first place. If we'd screwed politics and just ran on and then executed what was RIGHT for the American people, we might have avoided all this in the first place. People let the R's set the propaganda, the media ran with it, and everybody else just lapped it up and repeated it. Happened when we were yelling about RvW, too. Frack politics! Do what is Right, Moral, and Ethical and make no excuses for it. We're likely to have a few more killed because of this, now... and I just can't help thinking it didn't have to be this way!
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)NCDem47
(3,356 posts)for once, most not paying attention to ANYTHING will be of benefit.
Still
its just the principle of it all.
Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #18)
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Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Autumn
(48,867 posts)after him. the White Hose can be the Charlie Kirk Bed and Breakfast. the Smithstonian can be the Charlie Kirk Oddities and Curiosity Gift Shop and the INS can be the Charlie Kirk Halloween Torture Chambers
moniss
(8,835 posts)voted present.
tritsofme
(19,843 posts)Meaning no one actively objected to its passage.
moniss
(8,835 posts)been absent from the chamber.
onenote
(46,055 posts)No roll call vote. No way to tell who was on the floor at the time.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Consent was issued.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)lark
(25,959 posts)Dems are such cowards, sometimes.
When they won't stand up on this, why would we expect them not to cave on the CR?
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)rurallib
(64,607 posts)StarryNite
(12,018 posts)Sneederbunk
(17,351 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,526 posts)CrispyQ
(40,806 posts)And they wonder why they're polling so low.
Hartpi978
(45 posts)Please stop posting Onion headlines. This can't be real.
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)BigMin28
(1,833 posts)gets a remembrance day, yet the thousands of children murdered and traumatized by gun violence are ignored. We are scolded should we mention them. MAGATS... A pox on all your houses!!!
littlemissmartypants
(32,803 posts)milestogo
(22,796 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)liberalgunwilltravel
(1,123 posts)I will remember him as the worthless. racist piece shit he was and ceremonially piss on his grave at every opportunity.
Bev54
(13,323 posts)I am afraid that unless the masses rise up there is no hope. These are supposed to be the sensible ones and they turn around and do this? Sick and twisted.
oldinmtdem92
(123 posts)my first reaction was wtf .our country is in serious trouble , i pitty the young i am old unless they get thier heads out of their backsides their fucked .
Martin68
(27,315 posts)Xavier Breath
(6,554 posts)Cowards.
Orrex
(66,809 posts)How better to obstruct Trumps fascist agenda than by canonizing an extremist Reichwing propagandist?
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)pdxflyboy
(916 posts)No.....Really............I'm in Hell.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,220 posts)I hope I'm wrong about this.
Blue Full Moon
(3,291 posts)This will be remembered.
MichMan
(16,874 posts)The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Kelly Morrison, who represents Minnesotas 3rd District which includes Brooklyn Park, where the Hortmans lived also condemned political violence. Each of the seven other members of Minnesotas bipartisan U.S. House delegation co-sponsored the legislation and spoke in support on the House floor this week.
No House member spoke against the resolution during brief floor debate Tuesday. It passed 424-0 Wednesday, with eight members not voting.
https://www.eplocalnews.org/2025/06/26/u-s-house-approves-resolution-denouncing-minnesota-shootings-political-violence/
Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)MichMan
(16,874 posts)I was just pointing out there was one.
onenote
(46,055 posts)It's a one-time thing. See the resolution. And because it is a resolution, it does not have the force of law. It merely is an expression of support for the designation of October 14, 2025 as a day of remembrance for Kirk. While that's too much, imo, it is important to understand what it isn't as well.
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)see post 188 & 192
Crunchy Frog
(28,220 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)and was only passed in the senate. Separate resolutions "honoring" Kirk were passed by both the House and the Senate. The House resolution had all kinds of sickening stuff about how wonderful Kirk was which is why a total of 118 Democrats refused to vote for it. The senate resolution was very short, didn't have all the disgusting stuff that the House one did. It was mostly just a condemnation of political violence. It also called him a devoted father and extended condolences to his family, and pointed out he founded Turning Point USA. It did not try to paint him as a saint like the House version which is probably why Democrats were OK with it. It passed by unanimous consent several days ago.
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/55A19212-1EC1-4868-A72B-8E271E2D81B2
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/391/text
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/719/text
Crunchy Frog
(28,220 posts)niyad
(130,470 posts)betsuni
(28,890 posts)MichMan
(16,874 posts)niyad
(130,470 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,535 posts)CanonRay
(16,026 posts)Hope22
(4,547 posts)When is the last time they did anything unanimously! I suggest if they are too afraid to do what is right and stand up to that monster .quit your job!!! These people are gutless!
Whyisthisstillclose
(493 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)especially after the murder of Melissa Hortman.
MichMan
(16,874 posts)June 25
The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Kelly Morrison, who represents Minnesotas 3rd District which includes Brooklyn Park, where the Hortmans lived also condemned political violence. Each of the seven other members of Minnesotas bipartisan U.S. House delegation co-sponsored the legislation and spoke in support on the House floor this week.
No House member spoke against the resolution during brief floor debate Tuesday. It passed 424-0 Wednesday, with eight members not voting.
https://www.eplocalnews.org/2025/06/26/u-s-house-approves-resolution-denouncing-minnesota-shootings-political-violence/
Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)This resolution not only condemns Kirk's murder, which is appropriate, but goes on to glorify him and designate a day in his honor. Melissa Hortman wasn't a bigot whose free speech consisted of complaints that Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was an unqualified DEI hire; that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake; that gay and trans people weren't entitled to basic civil rights; that gun deaths were the necessary price of the freedom provided by the 2nd Amendment, and on and on. It's one thing to deplore a political murder but it's something else altogether to honor someone as destructive as Kirk.
MichMan
(16,874 posts)Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)The morning after the murder the entire metropolitan area was advised to stay home and not go to the scheduled No Kings protest because the murderer was on the loose. We went, of course. Melissa Hortman was well-known and well-respected and it was a very upsetting situation for people who live here.
MichMan
(16,874 posts)Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)as glorifying a racist bigot like Kirk.
MichMan
(16,874 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)see post 188, 192 & 200
KPN
(17,201 posts)unlike CK. Big difference.
GJGCA
(255 posts)vote FOR it, they just didn't vote AGAINST it, or 6/half-dozen OBJECT to unanimous consent.
Ocelot II
(129,730 posts)but dammit, they shouldn't have unanimously consented.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Kid Berwyn
(23,641 posts)Fucking hell.
themaguffin
(5,003 posts)Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)And it will not inspire the base to get out the vote; worse, it will act as a drag.
Why the fuck should we fight if our elected representation wont?!
niyad
(130,470 posts)Xavier Breath
(6,554 posts)Our teacher seized the opportunity and told us that, to keep the two words straight, we should always remember that the school's principal was our "pal." We let out a collective groan, but her quick, improvised lesson has stuck with me to this day.
niyad
(130,470 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,431 posts)themaguffin
(5,003 posts)about Epstein. Oof.
Shoeless Louis
(101 posts)nwduke
(493 posts)Things Charlie Kirk has said.
Gay people should be stoned to death
Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
No one should be allowed to retire
Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
Religious freedom should be terminated
Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
MLK Jr was "an awful person"
The Great Replacement Theory is reality
Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
Women's natural place is under their husband's control
Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates
oasis
(53,433 posts)Kick
wishstar
(5,810 posts)bif
(26,781 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(7,186 posts)So technically we do. Just not in a way to honor Adolph.
JustAnotherGen
(37,771 posts)Every year? Or just this October?
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)JustAnotherGen
(37,771 posts)This will be brought up a few weeks before next year's mid terms. We can leverage it during early voting.
It is a one-time thing. It's a resolution, without any force of law. And it expressly declares October 14, 2025 as a day of remembrance
Look, it's an abomination that it was introduced and passed. But you shouldn't be spreading misinformation about it here.
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE
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LeftInTX
(34,031 posts)It seems like ever session here, they need a resolution for things that are frequently repeated. Like Truck Month (Well, I'm joking on that one)
But things like, designating, "Rodeo month", "Charro Day", "Hector Garcia Day", "Jovita Pilar Day", non holidays, but having to do with customs and routines, but not officially forever designated, are via a consent resolution.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Resolutions like this are non-binding and have no power of law behind them. Votes are strictly performative. The day of remembrance resolution passed by the senate declares a single day (October 14, 2025). Also, such a resolution only passed the Senate NOT the House. So the day of remembrance is "official" only so far as the Senate is concerned. There is no legally recognized day of remembrance.
3catwoman3
(28,888 posts)some_of_us_are_sane
(2,897 posts)will want to make his remembrance day GOOD FRIDAY.
The Repugs passes a Remembrance day for the wrong Kirk. Although both share a similar name, Dun-kirk. Not one senator would even under stand (or heard of) the atrocities of the battle of Dunkirk which unfortunately, cost considerably more lives than 1 propagandist. It is disgusting!
Abstractartist
(430 posts)Ill celebrate this day. Ill remember that he is no longer spewing his crap. He is or will be buried and gone from our view.
lostincalifornia
(5,095 posts)the real issues.
The real issue is if the Democrats will hold strong on the government shutdown and not cave to trump.
That will be the real test.
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)This is absolutely demoralizing to their base!
And as far as holding out on the shutdown, this stunt doesnt bode well for that!
lostincalifornia
(5,095 posts)As far as the base being demoralized, are they not going to vote Democratic in the midterms?
2016 and 2024 were evidence that not voting Democratic was not a good strategy.
If we dont win one of the Houses in 2026, we wont have to wait until 2028, our Democracy will be over.
lostincalifornia
(5,095 posts)lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The Congressional Record reflects that a quorum (a simple majority of 51) was not present.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
lostincalifornia
(5,095 posts)lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The Congressional Record reflects that cloture was not invoked (Senate Rule XXII) and that there was no quorum.
From the Congressional Record:
snip-------------------------------------------
Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1
Mr. Sparkle
(3,655 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)
We badly need a change at the top.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,873 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,431 posts)The partys leadership seems like a bunch of grifters.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)BadgerMom
(3,392 posts)I hate when I do that. Im just so angry. Would Republicans weaponize Democratic pushback? Of course. But theyll weaponize whatever we do or do not do. We know that like we know the sun will rise in the east. So why not repeat our mantra of assassination, bad; Kirk, problematic, but not deserving of death? Prepare and organize for the pushback, but speak for those of us with no microphone.
By not standing up for principlefor the blacks, women, gun control advocates, non-Christians, Palestinians, Paul Pelosis, Joe Bidens of this party who are asked to honor a person who threatened or belittled uswere demonstrating we will not protect them. Were not displaying leadership. Not a single Democrat spoke up? I am abandoned. And I am steamed.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Alice B.
(719 posts)I can't. I can't with this. Why are we still offering cookies to the side backing white and Christian nationalism?
LS0999
(278 posts)Fuck Donald Trump and Fuck Charlie Kirk
angrychair
(11,901 posts)This is disgusting. The guy was a self-avowed racist, misogynist, antisemitic and a bigot.
I genuinely feel betrayed.
Jarqui
(10,860 posts)How they could "honor" or want to remember this person who said so many ugly, hateful things is beyond me
Bluetus
(2,488 posts)marched their asses outside the Capitol for a news event explaining that they would happily vote for a resolution condemning ALL political violence, and ewmwmbweing ALL the people killed in politically motivated events.
And then, follow that with a demand to take real action on gun violence and mental health issues.
I don't know which is more disappointing: the cowardice or the inability to organize for tactics that can fight back.
They chose the worst of all possible alternatives. They covered in their bunker and failed to do anything to offer an alternative to the American public.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The Economic Timess framing is rage bait.
Bluetus
(2,488 posts)The strategy seems to be to just sit there and get pummeled instead of trying to take some initiative.
We had a terrible politically-motivated murder. And the political violence is growing by the day. What is the Dem strategy? What is the Dem message? Where is the opposition? Where is the direct challenge to the Republicans?
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Solly Mack
(96,642 posts)He was a hatemonger. Pretending otherwise won't save any of us.
patphil
(8,837 posts)He's a misogynist, racist, right wing tool. I don't support his murder, but he simply wasn't someone who should be honored for what he did in life.
Walleye
(44,055 posts)Buddyzbuddy
(2,318 posts)What about all of the women and minorities that sent you to D.C.
This guy was a racist misogynist and you vote to honor him. Were you afraid of getting canceled? You're already polling poorly.
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PISSED WE ARE?
THE ONE THING YOU HAD WITHIN YOUR POWER WAS TO EXPRESS YOUR CONSTITUENTS ANGER BY VOTING AGAINST THIS AND YOU LICK MAGA A.S.
F.ck you all.
You dumbsh.ts fell for their trap and you chose wrong. You do take us for granted. You make me sick.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,480 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Bengus81
(9,967 posts)Are we supposed to fucking believe that Republicans would honor his LIFE with a day of remembrance? FUCK NO they wouldn't. They just wouldn't have shown up. Maybe Dems could have got it passed but ZERO Republicans would be on record as present and agreeing with the consent.
kerouac2
(1,463 posts)they could have made it gun violence victims remembrance day...
bluestarone
(21,639 posts)The vote!! WTF are they thinking??
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angrychair
(11,901 posts)About the justification or reasoning they voted for this?
walkingman
(10,497 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,937 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,943 posts)leftstreet
(39,509 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Smilo
(2,017 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,943 posts)rsdsharp
(11,865 posts)sop
(17,925 posts)to honor and commemorate the man, of course. How could any Republican object to that?
bluescribbler
(2,480 posts)nt
Pachamama
(17,544 posts)Heb die pfanne hoch
Dawson Leery
(19,548 posts)blm
(114,460 posts)the Republican lie machine will have manufactured.
Sorry, but, DC Dems can be the most naive people and easily manipulated by the GOP at times like this.
Terry Schiavo to the nth degree.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)
that routinely fails fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)The resolution was "approved" by unanimous consent with no roll call vote. We don't even know how many Democrats were in the chamber when the resolution was approved without a vote.
Who benefits from the right wing rag's rage bait headline?
Cui bono?
Not Democrats.
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)Action was a Voice Vote, no objections with current status as Agreed to By Senate.
In other words, UNANIMOUS.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)Is that in addition to or instead of *cowardly mincing of words* for pointing out that according to Senate rules and Robert's Rules of Order a "unanimous vote" and "unanimous consent" are two distinctly different things?
So to review:
- The Economic Times is right-wing, fake news trash
- A resolution and a bill are two different things
- A unanimous vote and unanimous consent are two different things
- There was no "unanimous vote" in the Senate on the Kirk resolution
- I am one person, not a "we", although the quizzical flourish at the end of the question was super dramactic.
Query:
In the annals of the Crime of Insisting on Facts and Reputable Sources, which is the more serious crime, "mincing cowardly words" or slandering a right wing, fake news source?
Cha
(317,714 posts)The resolution was introduced by Rep. Jimmy Patronis (R-Fl.) and Senator Rick Scott (R-Fl), with all Republican co-sponsors.
This is just a simple resolution, which means for now, it is not enshrined in the law and does not require a full Senate vote.
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/18/charlie-kirk-national-day-remembrance
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)that they tell.
My motto is not "Never let facts and truth get in the way of bashing Democrats".
Mahalo, my friend.
Cha
(317,714 posts)with Fighting FOR Our Democracy.
Which I know is your Goal That I Appreciate So Incredibly Much!
Kindred Spirits!
fujiyamasan
(1,431 posts)That is nonsense. It is hardly the WSJ.
Besides, it doesnt matter. The problem is with dem leadership and actually countering this canonization of Kirk.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)
======================================

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Overall, we rate the Economic Times Right-Center biased and Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks.
Detailed Report
Reasoning: Numerous Failed Fact Checks, Fake News
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER (3.2)
Factual Reporting: MIXED (5.5)
Country: India
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/
fujiyamasan
(1,431 posts)Im familiar with Indian news, and I question the credibility of many of their newspapers. They have a few good ones though.
Much of their media takes a very pro government stance. I fear our own media is going the same direction.
I really wouldnt place the paper on the American left-right political spectrum though. Their politics just dont apply to us for the most part.
I didnt check whether this article was an original by them or a feed from another agency. Sometimes their reporters wont understand American political nuances, especially with parliamentary and legislative procedures and votes.
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)Thank you for your insights.
Wiz Imp
(9,281 posts)Of all things to get outraged about, this is not one of them
Mr.WeRP
(1,098 posts)Here is the senate bill link:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs
Voice vote, no objections and AGREED TO IN SENATE. In other words, Unanimous!
lapucelle
(20,964 posts)No Democrat voted for the resolution. It was not approved unanimously; it was approved by unanimous consent.
Action taken by unanimous consent does not necessarily mean that it was taken by a unanimous vote. It does not necessarily mean that every member of the body would have voted in favor of the proposal. It may mean that members feeling that it would be useless to oppose a matter would simply acquiesce.
For example, passing legislation via unanimous consent does not require that every member of a legislature, a majority of members or even a quorum of representatives to be present to vote. Unanimous consent merely requires that no representative of those present has asked to take a recorded vote or has requested quorum verification.
For that reason, a claim that a piece of legislation was passed "unanimously", when it was really passed via "unanimous consent", can be misleading as to its level of support.
=====================================
I'm sure what to make of the charge of *slandering* a right wing source characterized as "questionable", but I am curious as to how it wound up here at DU.
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Overall, we rate the Economic Times Right-Center biased and Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks.
Detailed Report
Reasoning: Numerous Failed Fact Checks, Fake News
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER (3.2)
Factual Reporting: MIXED (5.5)
Country: India
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/
lostincalifornia
(5,095 posts)would not vote for this also.
Total distortion I think.
Hotler
(13,746 posts)Blue Owl
(58,606 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,431 posts)Theres got going to be a base left. Not sure who theyre trying to pander to.
La Coliniere
(1,818 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,379 posts)what a racist asshole he was.
Joinfortmill
(20,509 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,379 posts)National Marina Day!
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-resolution/217/text
Bluetus
(2,488 posts)sakabatou
(45,931 posts)DownriverDem
(6,986 posts)having the MAGAs and MSM obsessing about who didn't vote for it would suck up too much air.
bluestarone
(21,639 posts)DOING IT!! Gonna be a long 3 years or maybe for eternity. THIS is killing me.
Passages
(3,986 posts)Republicans will never take responsibility for the level of gun shootings in this country, especially now.
They will never acknowledge Kirk as a white supremacist, especially now...this whitewashes Kirk.
onenote
(46,055 posts)It's a resolution, not a statute. And its a one-time thing without force of law.
That doesn't mean it's not an inappropriate abomination, but let's not make it into something its not.
Link to resolution:
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE
Quiet Em
(2,636 posts)They just didn't object to the call for unanimous consent because if they did it would have forced a roll call vote and it would have passed because Republicans are in the majority.
It was a Republican stunt that is non-binding and means nothing.
The Senate Democrats simply ignored the Republican stunt.
mdbl
(8,275 posts)That's all.
BigmanPigman
(54,799 posts)The fucking moron is even more stupid than I thought (how can you be more stupid than 100% but he somehow manages to outdo himself in this department).
Currently there are over 2,000 NO KINGS protests planned for Oct 18th, one month from now.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220403528
The NO KINGS protest on June 14th (tRump's birthday and his grand show of military tanks ripping up the streets of DC for his massive ego) had 2,000 protests and millions of marchers. It was the largest mass protest in US history.
The NO KINGS Oct. 18th protest already has over 2,000 protests planned with 4 more weeks to go!
His "Day of Remembrance" will drive even more people to protest. Hs really is a fucking moron.
tRump's "Remembrance Day" will bomb as much as his birthday bash. I guarantee that "Remembrance Day" will piss even more Americans off and drive even more citizens to the NO KINGS protest 4 days after his shit show.
No Kings https://share.google/bns3cEKjL6vtt8joj0
usonian
(24,106 posts)
Historic NY
(39,797 posts)MrWowWow
(1,461 posts)GIGO
dem4decades
(13,854 posts)MichMan
(16,874 posts)Congress passes them all the time to designate things like recognizing the KC Chiefs for winning the Super Bowl, the 75th Anniversary of NASCAR, or for "National Agriculture Day"
onenote
(46,055 posts)I agree that as a resolution, it doesn't carry the weight of law. But what it says, and what may follow from it is potentially concerning. The resolution "encourages educational institutions, civic organizations, and citizens across the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, activities, prayers, and ceremonies that promote civic engagement and the principles of faith, liberty, and democracy that Charlie Kirk championed."
I have no doubt that some schools, "civic" organizations, and businesses will use the resolution as the basis for holding tributes to Kirk on Oct.14 and I have no doubt that in some instances, they will attempt to impose consequences on those who don't protest or don't participate. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone get fired from their job or suspended from school for not complying.
IzzaNuDay
(1,258 posts)what a load of crap! Disgusting!
I will complain to my rep and senators.
this was the classic peace before truth paradigm.
dont cause conflict by voting no
Emile
(41,384 posts)day off with pay?
If not, it will be ignored.
onenote
(46,055 posts)It "encourages educational institutions, civic organizations, and citizens across the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, activities, prayers, and ceremonies that promote civic engagement and the principles of faith, liberty, and democracy that Charlie Kirk championed."
I fully expect that some "educational institutions and civic organizations" will have moments of silence or possibly some other plans for paying tribute to Kirk. Some businesses may do so also. Will students, employees, etc. be free to ignore such events? It will get interesting. If my place of employment or school was planning something like that, I'd call in sick that day or otherwise find reason to be absent.
lonely bird
(2,821 posts)I dont give a flying fuck at a rolling donut whether not this performative bullshit was binding or whether it set up a permanent day or any other bullshit regarding the excrement known as Charlie Kirk. He was disgusting. His family did not deserve what happened to him although his wife, it appears, is moving to cash in on her sudden notoriety. Perhaps that is just an emotional response but I actually doubt it.
Beyond that? Republicans are disgusting, vile, lacking any moral center and any other descriptors you may like to add. They are the dark underbelly that has always been in America and the stupidity of the electorate brought them out into the light where they are flourishing.
So, no, I dont care about the actual circumstances of this performative bullshit.
Fuck Republicans with a rusty rasp.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,734 posts)Eom
Donman
(39 posts)republianmushroom
(22,137 posts)GoodRaisin
(10,810 posts)durablend
(9,005 posts)flying_wahini
(8,254 posts)Expungement of this BS.
rzemanfl
(31,257 posts)admitting the fascists have the votes.
