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US Senate UNANIMOUSLY passes Remembrance Day Oct 14th for Kirk (Original Post) Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 OP
Not real happy with this... droidamus2 Sep 2025 #1
I hear you, droid... robbob Sep 2025 #32
So the fuck what? choie Sep 2025 #176
It makes our party look weak and submissive. I'm not sure that voters find those traits appealing. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #53
Weak? vanlassie Sep 2025 #68
99.99% of voters will have no idea such a vote ever even happened. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #184
Agree completely RVN VET71 Sep 2025 #234
Republicans would be running ads with Kirk's KIDS. Miles Archer Sep 2025 #121
The headline is fake news. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber lapucelle Sep 2025 #253
I'll remember that he was a racist asshat and film flam salesman JT45242 Sep 2025 #2
Best Rebl2 Sep 2025 #10
I'll choose to remember the 1st Amendment. RIP. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #60
Exactly! Rebl2 Sep 2025 #94
Make it a national holiday already - and don't forget to erect a statue for the dead troll dalton99a Sep 2025 #3
"He had the face of a cabbage-patch doll." CrispyQ Sep 2025 #29
I thought he looked a bit like Charlie Brown. Big head. nt Ilsa Sep 2025 #217
Actually- South Park had an episode with a cartoon Charlie Kirk womanofthehills Sep 2025 #240
I believe I saw that episode. Laughed so hard. Looking forward Ilsa Sep 2025 #244
For me, he looks like a Terry Gilliam animation from Monty Python's Flying Circus Montauk6 Sep 2025 #275
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Sep 2025 #35
Sure, why not. Mr. Evil Sep 2025 #45
The best way to deal with this, absolutely! yardwork Sep 2025 #70
They'll probably replace MLK Day with Kirk Day soon Diraven Sep 2025 #120
Right....Let's honor Kirk. democrank Sep 2025 #4
The word "UNANIMOUSLY" used here was probably wrong KS Toronado Sep 2025 #51
The Senate passed the resolution by "unanimous consent" tritsofme Sep 2025 #77
I guess no one wanted to stick their neck out and object given the climate around this shooting. It's like 9/11 all over LymphocyteLover Sep 2025 #112
Our sp called leaders are all bent. Evrytingfinemon Sep 2025 #220
Did a www search on this subject KS Toronado Sep 2025 #122
It passed without objection or "unanimously" in the Senate. tritsofme Sep 2025 #127
The House did NOT vote on the day of remembrance for Charlie Kirk. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #188
Thank you. I was reaching for the phone to yell at my two. niyad Sep 2025 #223
That's because no Democrats were in the Chamber when the call for unanimous consent was made. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #186
That is highly implausible, but downright dangerous if true. tritsofme Sep 2025 #264
No they couldn't have done it with just any legislation Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #266
Why do you think the Senate is prohibited from passing legislation by unanimous consent? tritsofme Sep 2025 #269
That's not what I said. What I said is they can't pass legislation with only a handful of people Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #272
There was no quorum: 51 senators were not in the chamber. lapucelle Sep 2025 #260
That does not necessarily mean that fewer than 51 senators were present tritsofme Sep 2025 #263
Sorry to disappoint anyone, but yes it does. lapucelle Sep 2025 #265
The quorum call was rescinded by unanimous consent. tritsofme Sep 2025 #270
Yes, I know. That doesn't mean there was a quorum. lapucelle Sep 2025 #273
Thank you. I'm not sure why people insist on arguing this point Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #271
Fun fact: Schumer's use of a blanket hold on unanimous consent was what slowed confirmation lapucelle Sep 2025 #274
This makes me very angry. travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #5
see post 188 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #189
I am so angry it's hard to breathe LearnedHand Sep 2025 #6
see post 188 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #190
"It is bad to be oppressed by a minority, but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority." Lord Acton Ping Tung Sep 2025 #7
Well, poodles got to poodle. The poodles should write a how to book on how to not inspire people to show up and vote.nt ImNotGod Sep 2025 #8
See post 188 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #191
No can do. I'll be busy celebrating the Rocky Horror Picture Show's 50th anniversary. Heidi Sep 2025 #9
Damn excellent idea Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #13
LOTS of more worthwhile October 14 celebrations! Heidi Sep 2025 #16
Defenders of Ukraine Day. Ada Lovelace Day. National Dessert Day. niyad Sep 2025 #222
YES! Heidi Sep 2025 #228
Good morning, heidi! niyad Sep 2025 #230
50 years? How? hunter Sep 2025 #25
I have no answer except the march of time. Heidi Sep 2025 #49
My daughter used to act out Janet Mossfern Sep 2025 #85
You raised her right! Heidi Sep 2025 #109
Tim curry is doing his autobiography! bedazzled Sep 2025 #149
I can never watch that scene too many times! wackadoo wabbit Sep 2025 #182
We don't have to celebrate it their intended way. Lars39 Sep 2025 #11
Wonderful. Can we have a day of remembrance for Charlie Manson, too? Standards are gone. Vinca Sep 2025 #12
Congressional Democrats did not vote for a Day of Remembrance Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #192
You keep saying, no democrats were present or walked out... do you have a link to support that? questionseverything Sep 2025 #221
I can find no evidence anyone was on the Senate Floor when the resolution Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #235
Finding no evidence they were there is very different from proving they weren't there questionseverything Sep 2025 #237
This reddit comment confirms there were more than 90 Senators absent Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #239
Have you changed from no dems to "two California democrats weren't aware " questionseverything Sep 2025 #242
I'm saying NO DEMOCRATS WERE PRESENT ON THE FLOOR. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #245
You presented the reddit commenter as proof , not i questionseverything Sep 2025 #248
What name calling? There was no name calling. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #251
The video doesn't show the entire senate floor , only the podium questionseverything Sep 2025 #254
At least 50 senators were not in the chamber. lapucelle Sep 2025 #243
Cloture was not invoked, and there was no quorum. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber. lapucelle Sep 2025 #241
See this video at the 46 second mark. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #246
Meanwhile, there are folks roasting Democrats based on inaccurate, right-wing rage bait. N/T lapucelle Sep 2025 #247
There is so much disinformation or misinformation on this thread. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #255
Congress encompasses both the House and the Senate. It doesn't just mean the House of Representatives. Vinca Sep 2025 #224
The guy who said all Gay people should be stoned to death Eliot Rosewater Sep 2025 #14
Or at least to be balanced, rememberance day for George Floyd AND the other one. flor-de-jasmim Sep 2025 #15
Better: NO remembrance day/celebration the VILE Charlie Kirk. Heidi Sep 2025 #22
see post 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #193
I know. We're so lost. ananda Sep 2025 #17
Yippers... welcome to Orwellian living standards! slightlv Sep 2025 #43
He was a racist, sexist, and homophobic troll Johnny2X2X Sep 2025 #18
It was absolutely fucking not necessary for a single Democrat to support this Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #19
There's basically no argument to be made that it was "necessary" BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #20
Not only do I agree with you Bannons, slightlv Sep 2025 #46
see post 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #195
The day will only have significance for the trolls in the swamp NCDem47 Sep 2025 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Maru Kitteh Sep 2025 #117
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #194
Well shit. Lets make his birthday a federal holiday and name some institutions Autumn Sep 2025 #21
They could have abstained, been absent or moniss Sep 2025 #23
That is essentially what happened. No one actually cast a vote for the resolution, it passed by unanimous consent tritsofme Sep 2025 #81
They knew it was on the agenda and could have moniss Sep 2025 #130
I suspect some probably were. onenote Sep 2025 #170
They were. No Democrats were present when the call for unanimous Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #183
There was no vote. N/T lapucelle Sep 2025 #102
Stupid! Celebrating the Kirk hate machine is definitely unAmerican. lark Sep 2025 #24
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #196
NO KINGS 2. October 18th - be sure to protest! rurallib Sep 2025 #26
unfuckingbelievable StarryNite Sep 2025 #27
Limbaugh didn't even get this. Sneederbunk Sep 2025 #28
Spineless. DavidDvorkin Sep 2025 #30
If I hadn't already changed my affiliation to non-affiliated, I'd do so today. CrispyQ Sep 2025 #31
Really Hartpi978 Sep 2025 #33
We are living in an evil version of Idiocracy Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #72
The grifting punk BigMin28 Sep 2025 #36
Sleeping with the enemy. littlemissmartypants Sep 2025 #37
What are these Democrats so afraid of? milestogo Sep 2025 #38
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #197
Works for me. liberalgunwilltravel Sep 2025 #39
WTF? As a Canadian, I am absolutely disgusted by this move from democrats in the senate. Bev54 Sep 2025 #40
just what i thought. oldinmtdem92 Sep 2025 #118
The perfect day to remind everyone about what a hate-filled monster Charlie Kirk was. Martin68 Sep 2025 #41
Pardon me while I go practice my shocked face. Xavier Breath Sep 2025 #42
Perhaps a cheerleader can remind us that Democrats are doing all that they can Orrex Sep 2025 #44
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #198
I'm in Hell. pdxflyboy Sep 2025 #47
YOU'RE not. But *someone* is. (nt) Heidi Sep 2025 #52
I wouldn't count on our party doing too well in the midterms. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #48
Where's Melissa Hortman's? Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #50
Passed unanimously on June 25th MichMan Sep 2025 #73
She wasn't a promoter of bigotry and she didn't get a special, permanent day of remembrance. Ocelot II Sep 2025 #137
The poster I replied to asked where was the resolution for Hortman? MichMan Sep 2025 #146
It is not a "permanent" day of remembrance. onenote Sep 2025 #171
There is no permanent day of remembrance Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #199
Did it just condemn the political violence? Or was it also an exercise in hagiography? Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #187
The resolution for the day of remembrance was just to declare a one day day of remembrance Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #200
Thanks for the informative answer. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #218
Thank you. niyad Sep 2025 #225
Thank you. betsuni Sep 2025 #268
Feel free to go look it up MichMan Sep 2025 #203
Thank you. niyad Sep 2025 #226
I'm disgusted beyond all reason. Shame. Nanjeanne Sep 2025 #54
Horst Wessel Day! CanonRay Sep 2025 #55
Never once passed a vote for the dead kids! Hope22 Sep 2025 #56
Our leadership is lost. Soon to have many fewer to lead, I'm afraid. Whyisthisstillclose Sep 2025 #57
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #202
I can't believe that my MN Senators voted for this obscenity Ocelot II Sep 2025 #58
Why not? They sponsored one several weeks ago that passed unanimously MichMan Sep 2025 #80
Kind of a different thing. Ocelot II Sep 2025 #92
Why did you single out Minnesota representatives? MichMan Sep 2025 #95
Because I live in Minneapolis and was chillingly familiar with the incident. Ocelot II Sep 2025 #98
OK, I've just seen multiple posts from people unaware that the House passed a resolution regarding Hortman weeks ago MichMan Sep 2025 #104
I was aware of the resolution, but it wasn't the same Ocelot II Sep 2025 #136
I suggest you contact your representatives and tell them how angry you are with their vote then MichMan Sep 2025 #142
You're misinformed Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #204
Melissa Hortman didn't promote malevolence... KPN Sep 2025 #110
They (almost certainly) didn't GJGCA Sep 2025 #155
You're right; it wasn't based on a vote, but on unanimous consent - Ocelot II Sep 2025 #156
They didn't Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #201
And Fascism becomes the New Normal Kid Berwyn Sep 2025 #59
Don't waste time on this move to real issues themaguffin Sep 2025 #61
Bullshit. We need to stand for principals. This is submission Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #64
principles. niyad Sep 2025 #227
When I was a kid, maybe fifth grade, someone had written "principal" when the correct word to use was "principle." Xavier Breath Sep 2025 #252
A very good way to remember! niyad Sep 2025 #256
Yeah just like Pelosi said about Epstein fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #140
We have to pick our battles & keeping Kirk in the headlines isn't helpful. FFS. And no this isn't like Pelosi's comment themaguffin Sep 2025 #154
How about an Epstein Files Remembrance Day? n/t Shoeless Louis Sep 2025 #216
Just a reminder! This is who these zealots are honoring!🤬 nwduke Sep 2025 #62
Thanks nwduke. I'll bookmark "Kirk's list" and oasis Sep 2025 #185
I'll reserve my remembrances and praise for Robert Redford wishstar Sep 2025 #63
Why don't we celebrate Hitler's Birthday while we're at it? bif Sep 2025 #65
That's 420 SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2025 #86
Is this a thing JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #66
Every damn year. Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #69
So we undo it JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #101
FALSE. onenote Sep 2025 #172
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Sep 2025 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Sep 2025 #163
Since it's a resolution, that passed via consent I think it's only this year. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #163
It's pretty meaningless to be honest Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #206
I can't even find words for how perverted this is. 3catwoman3 Sep 2025 #67
Next, these misinformed assholes some_of_us_are_sane Sep 2025 #71
Dun(kirk) JTOL Sep 2025 #74
I'll celebrate Abstractartist Sep 2025 #75
Pure politics. Meaningless crap. Hopefully it will divert attention from a racist pig back to lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #76
It's fucking terrible politics, are you serious Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #87
I didn't say it was good. I just speculated what I thought their motivation was. lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #93
I also question the accuracy of the OP. No way Sanders would have voted for this. lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #160
At least 50 senators were not in the chamber when the call for unanimous consent went out. lapucelle Sep 2025 #250
Thank-you lapucelle. Another misleading headline from the MSM. lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #259
What "stunt"? At least 50 senators were not in the chamber when the motion for unanimous consent was called. lapucelle Sep 2025 #249
Our party has no leadership Mr. Sparkle Sep 2025 #78
I'm done - zero $$ to the Democratic Party from me. They don't have my back. NoMoreRepugs Sep 2025 #79
Yep fuck their pathetic begging emails fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #141
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #208
I just shouted down the phone in Sen. Heinrich and Lujan's offices. BadgerMom Sep 2025 #82
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #210
ARE YOU FING SERIOUS? Alice B. Sep 2025 #83
They made a saint out of a racist shock jock LS0999 Sep 2025 #84
I find this incredibly disconcerting angrychair Sep 2025 #88
I don't know what to say any more Jarqui Sep 2025 #89
Damned cowards. THey should have boycotted the vote, but more importantly ... Bluetus Sep 2025 #90
There was no vote. It passed by unanimous consent. lapucelle Sep 2025 #106
Nonetheless, where is the Dem strategy here? Bluetus Sep 2025 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #174
Fuck that noise. I'll not be supporting an action that supports the false narrative about what kind of person Kirk was. Solly Mack Sep 2025 #91
He's not worthy of such an honor. patphil Sep 2025 #96
Weenies!! Walleye Sep 2025 #97
Have you lost your f.cking minds? Buddyzbuddy Sep 2025 #99
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #212
It is an annual? But it does seem to indicate where this nation is at this point in time. LiberalArkie Sep 2025 #100
see post 206 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #211
And if Paul Pelosi would have died from being BEAT WITH A HAMMER TO THE HEAD Bengus81 Sep 2025 #103
wth? regardless of cause of death, awful humans do not deserve this. kerouac2 Sep 2025 #105
At the very least the Democrats should have ADDED ALL school shootings to bluestarone Sep 2025 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2theMax Sep 2025 #108
Have we heard anything angrychair Sep 2025 #111
I'm surprised the Magat crowd doesn't want a national holiday for him. walkingman Sep 2025 #113
Maybe call it Bullies and Cowards Day Stinky The Clown Sep 2025 #114
Oct 14 is party time. Let's boogie. twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #115
When the go low, we give them a Holiday !!! leftstreet Sep 2025 #116
There is no Holiday. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #213
Grrrrr Smilo Sep 2025 #119
Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die: Into the valley of Death twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #123
Good Lord! Two weeks ago 70% of the country couldn't have picked this guy out of a lineup. rsdsharp Sep 2025 #124
A Democrat should have at least stood and recited Kirk's own words from the well of the Senate, sop Sep 2025 #125
WTAF? bluescribbler Sep 2025 #126
Horst Wessel Day Pachamama Sep 2025 #128
As you said. Dawson Leery Sep 2025 #129
😡 spanone Sep 2025 #131
Right before the next No Kings Marches so left will be blamed for breaking the FAKE 'PEACE' blm Sep 2025 #132
The headline is inaccurate rage bait, and the Economic Times is a right wing source lapucelle Sep 2025 #133
NO DEMOCRAT VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION because no vote was taken. lapucelle Sep 2025 #135
Mincing cowardly words are we? Typical cover for nonsense Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #143
Wait, do I still stand accused of *slandering* the the right-wing, fake news source? lapucelle Sep 2025 #167
Who are you calling "cowardly", Mr Werp? Cha Sep 2025 #205
It appears that it's cowardly to call out right wing, fake news sources and the lies lapucelle Sep 2025 #238
That's a Good Motto to have.. It goes Well Cha Sep 2025 #262
The financial times is hardly right wing fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #144
The OP cites the Economic Times, not the Financial Times. I corrected my headline. lapucelle Sep 2025 #161
The Economic times is a sensationalistic Indian newspaper fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #166
I stand accused of *slandering* the Economic Times for calling out the inaccuracy of its rage bait headline. lapucelle Sep 2025 #169
see posts 188 & 192 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #214
Inaccurate yet you provide no evidence than to slander the source? Mr.WeRP Sep 2025 #147
To begin with, it was a resolution, not a bill, and no roll call vote was taken. lapucelle Sep 2025 #152
It seems very unlikely. I doubt Sanders voted for this, and also other Senate Democrats also lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #159
Boo, boo, boo, boo, Hotler Sep 2025 #138
WTF Blue Owl Sep 2025 #139
The way the party is doing fujiyamasan Sep 2025 #145
Dispiriting La Coliniere Sep 2025 #148
It will be a good day, set aside, to reflect upon.... LudwigPastorius Sep 2025 #150
What the holy hell? They expect us to vote for them? Joinfortmill Sep 2025 #151
This will go down in the annals of history as being even more consequential than... LudwigPastorius Sep 2025 #153
I assume they worked across the aisle day and night to get that landmark legislation passed Bluetus Sep 2025 #175
Ugh.... sakabatou Sep 2025 #157
Hate it, but DownriverDem Sep 2025 #158
Remember RETHUGS are figuring out what we hate most. THEN bluestarone Sep 2025 #165
Shameful. Passages Sep 2025 #168
Point of clarification. It's an abomination, but its not a law and its not permanent. onenote Sep 2025 #173
Senate Democrats did not vote unanimously for the Republican's Charlie Kirk Day stunt Quiet Em Sep 2025 #177
Disgusting. mdbl Sep 2025 #178
AND on Oct., 18th US citizens plan 2,000+ NO KINGS protests! BigmanPigman Sep 2025 #179
But will they honor his last wish? usonian Sep 2025 #180
Should play some of his greatest clips Historic NY Sep 2025 #181
Garbage In EQUALS Garbage Out MrWowWow Sep 2025 #207
I quit, thanks for nothing. dem4decades Sep 2025 #209
Can't believe all the angst over a stupid resolution MichMan Sep 2025 #215
Yeah, but... onenote Sep 2025 #232
BOO! HISS! IzzaNuDay Sep 2025 #219
Will they force employers to give workers the Emile Sep 2025 #229
No. It doesn't force anyone to do anything. onenote Sep 2025 #231
Hmmm lonely bird Sep 2025 #233
This is fucking stupid DenaliDemocrat Sep 2025 #236
Celebrate Remberance Day for the One and Only. Orange Asshole Day on June 14th, too. Donman Sep 2025 #257
My remembrance will be 'thank God and grayhound your GONE'. republianmushroom Sep 2025 #258
Sorry. I wouldn't be lowering my flag. Even if I had one. GoodRaisin Sep 2025 #261
I'll be sitting on the toilet taking a dump that day. durablend Sep 2025 #267
Hope we can take this off our calendars later. I would hate to have to look at this very year. flying_wahini Sep 2025 #276
Unanimous consent is nothing more than rzemanfl Sep 2025 #277

droidamus2

(1,716 posts)
1. Not real happy with this...
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:29 AM
Sep 2025

Not happy but from a political game point of view the negatives for voting against this one day remember ends bs would be worse than jyst holding your nose and voting for it. The rightwing propaganda network is already using the Kirk murder for all they can get out of it voting against it would give them more the left hates and condo nab ed violence messages. Will they do it anyway sure but why give them more fodder for their ridiculous talking piints

robbob

(3,738 posts)
32. I hear you, droid...
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:39 AM
Sep 2025

But you know they’re just going to find another ridiculous talking point to bash us with.

(On edit) Just consider this for example: after Kirk’s death every major democratic leader, former President, spokesperson, etc. etc. stepped forward to condemn the attack. What did Fox “News”, tRump, and the Repug do in response? Jumped in to accuse us of “politicizing” the attack, gloating, celebrating, and anything else they could think of. Facts don’t matter to these people, they just make shit up and spew it out for their brain dead followers to lap up.

choie

(6,523 posts)
176. So the fuck what?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 07:44 PM
Sep 2025

Let them accuse us of it. Maybe the dems should stand there and rile off all of the many shootings perpetrated by people on the right. How hate is poured out each day by the far right/maga media. How convicted 34 times felon, sexual abuser trump spews hatred and perpetrates violence everyday through his ICE thugs? Oh that's right - that's divisive..when the Democrats do it.

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
53. It makes our party look weak and submissive. I'm not sure that voters find those traits appealing.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:07 AM
Sep 2025

If the shoe were on the other foot, I doubt the republicans would do the same. And their base would eviscerate them if they did.

Why not a "Victims of Gun Violence Remembrance Day" instead?

vanlassie

(6,215 posts)
68. Weak?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:26 AM
Sep 2025

I think it’s small potatoes to a bunch of adults in the room dealing with children.

RVN VET71

(3,113 posts)
234. Agree completely
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:09 AM
Sep 2025

When I heard our Senators queued up to vote in favor of an evil man like Kirk, I gasped. No, literally. I gasped. I wonder, did Chuck Schumer write one of his strongly worded letters commemorating the man who once said that black women were unintelligent, that empathy was a woke joke, that women are by nature subordinate to men, and that the slaughtering of children at their desks was a necessary evil to sustain our need -- our fucking need! -- for completely untrammeled gun rights?


I swear to god, if we had a viable 3rd party in this Country, I'd be moving away from the Democratic Party and its weak livered Senators. (I said "viable" as in a party that could challenge the 2 existing parties for serious power, which we don't have.

But I digress. If the Democratic Senators got together and decided to kiss Trump's ass on this issue, I give up. Oh I'll vote against Fascism, even if the only viable alternative is these buttheads. (I know what you might be thinking: but these men and women have done much good for America and are really the bulwark against the further destruction of Democracy by the now thoroughly Fascist former GOP. Sorry. They still have my vote. But not my confidence or admiration.)

Miles Archer

(21,487 posts)
121. Republicans would be running ads with Kirk's KIDS.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:24 PM
Sep 2025

"THESE children LOST THEIR FATHER...they will grow up hardly knowing him...he was GUNNED DOWN by an assassin's bullet...and the DEMOCRATS..."

You can SEE and HEAR that ad, right? Because it's painfully easy to see the Republicans' long game from WAY down the road.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
253. The headline is fake news. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:19 AM
Sep 2025

when the resolution was agreed to by unanimous consent which requires neither a vote nor a quorum.

The resolution was not "passed". That requires a quorum and a vote.

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.[/b]
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

JT45242

(3,811 posts)
2. I'll remember that he was a racist asshat and film flam salesman
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:30 AM
Sep 2025

Spreading hate and lies even in death.

Rebl2

(17,324 posts)
10. Best
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:50 AM
Sep 2025

Way to remember him. He was full of hate, racist and favored taking rights away from women as well as others.

dalton99a

(91,816 posts)
3. Make it a national holiday already - and don't forget to erect a statue for the dead troll
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:32 AM
Sep 2025

CrispyQ

(40,610 posts)
29. "He had the face of a cabbage-patch doll."
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:35 AM
Sep 2025

I read that on FB & can't forget it. So perfect.

womanofthehills

(10,686 posts)
240. Actually- South Park had an episode with a cartoon Charlie Kirk
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 09:38 AM
Sep 2025

I believe they pulled it. They actually called him The Master Debater repeatedly & they had a Master Debater school.

Ilsa

(63,775 posts)
244. I believe I saw that episode. Laughed so hard. Looking forward
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:15 AM
Sep 2025

to it being restored to the episode lineup.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Mr. Evil

(3,432 posts)
45. Sure, why not.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:56 AM
Sep 2025

Let's use that day to flood the internet to remind everyone what a vile racist, bigoted, misogynistic, piece of shit, tent revival charlatan, grifter he really was.

Diraven

(1,795 posts)
120. They'll probably replace MLK Day with Kirk Day soon
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:20 PM
Sep 2025

They'll claim since all the Democrats just voted to fully support and honor Kirk, who once said:

"MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe."

Then that means that Democrats must agree with that too so it's would be a fitting tribute. Also MLK Day is woke DEI and Trump made that illegal.

democrank

(12,059 posts)
4. Right....Let's honor Kirk.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:37 AM
Sep 2025

It would have been more to their credit if Democratic leaders had gathered outside with a billboard-sized sign of Kirk quotes. Let’s see how many voters would honor him after reading that crap.

Chances are our under 30% approval rate won’t improve after this Charlie Kirk Day vote.

KS Toronado

(22,875 posts)
51. The word "UNANIMOUSLY" used here was probably wrong
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:06 AM
Sep 2025

I can't see any Democrat voting for this crap let alone every D Senator.

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
77. The Senate passed the resolution by "unanimous consent"
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:30 AM
Sep 2025

Any senator could have objected and forced a roll call vote, none did.

LymphocyteLover

(9,297 posts)
112. I guess no one wanted to stick their neck out and object given the climate around this shooting. It's like 9/11 all over
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:05 PM
Sep 2025

again.

KS Toronado

(22,875 posts)
122. Did a www search on this subject
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:28 PM
Sep 2025

Everyone's reporting unanimous, was a surprise for me.

The Charlie Kirk Day resolution now heads to the House of Representatives, where Democrats are
grappling with how to respond.

Some party members fear that opposing the resolution could hand Republicans a political victory,
allowing them to portray Democrats as unsympathetic to Kirk’s assassination or free speech rights.


However, Representative Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas) said she plans to vote against it: “I’m not sure
what is honorable about many of Mr Kirk’s past statements,” Crockett told Axios.

House just voted on it, 95 Democrats voted yea, 58 voted nay, 38 present, and 22 not voting.

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
127. It passed without objection or "unanimously" in the Senate.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:36 PM
Sep 2025

There was no roll call vote as in the House.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
188. The House did NOT vote on the day of remembrance for Charlie Kirk.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:13 PM
Sep 2025

(BTW, it's not Charlie Kirk day - it's a single day not permanent since resolutions like this have o force of law behind them. It's strictly performative - pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of things). Only the Senate introduced the resolution for the day of remembrance and they did it by calling for unanimous consent while no Democrats were present, or the Democrats otherwise walked out).

The House vote referenced is the vote for the resolution "honoring" Charlie Kirk. Again, non-binding, performative, and pretty much meaningless, but a no vote by some Democrats can and will be attempted to be weaponized against them in next year's elections.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
186. That's because no Democrats were in the Chamber when the call for unanimous consent was made.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:07 PM
Sep 2025

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
264. That is highly implausible, but downright dangerous if true.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:04 PM
Sep 2025

If that were true, they technically could have called up any House-passed bill, or any other bill for that matter and moved it by unanimous consent.

Do you have a link? That aspect would seem to be truly the most important part of this story.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
266. No they couldn't have done it with just any legislation
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:02 PM
Sep 2025

Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:54 PM - Edit history (2)

They could do it because it was a largely meaningless non binding resolution. This video at the 46 second mark shows Tuberville calling for unanimous consent. When he says "all in favor say aye", you can only hear one person say aye - that is presumably Rick Scott. Based on the Congressional Record, Senate Press Gallery & video, Hagerty, Tuberville, Moreno & Lankford were there and I assume Blackburn was also still present. But it's obvious the Senate was virtually empty.

On Edit: the distinction between legislation and a resolution relates to the fact that for a resolution like this, Democrats didn't care if Republicans passed it on their own so they didn't object to the lack of a quorum. However, for any remotely significant legislation, the Democrats would be sure to have someone there to ask for a quorum call to prevent Republicans from passing legislation with like 5 people present.

From the actual Voting and Quorum Procedures in the Senate:
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/96-452#:~:text=A%20straightforward%20reading%20of%20the,3

A straightforward reading of the Constitution's quorum requirement would seem to require a simple majority of Senators, or a minimum of 51 if there are no vacancies in the body, to be present on the floor whenever the Senate conducts business. As any observer of the Senate soon notices, typically only a handful of Senators are present during floor debates. It is unusual for as many as 51 Senators to be present on the floor at the same time unless a roll call vote is in progress.

As a regular practice, however, the Senate presumes that it is complying with the Constitution. Therefore, it presumes that a quorum is always present unless and until the absence of a quorum is suggested or demonstrated:

The Senate operates on the presumption that a quorum is present at all times, under all circumstances, unless the question to the contrary is raised, or the absence of a quorum is officially shown, or until a point of no quorum is made even though a voice vote is taken and announced in the meantime.




https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/thursday-september-18-2025/

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
269. Why do you think the Senate is prohibited from passing legislation by unanimous consent?
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:28 PM
Sep 2025

That’s not correct, it is in fact routine.

If there were actually no Democrats on the floor, it was nothing but the good manners of Senate Republicans that prevented them from passing any and everything.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
272. That's not what I said. What I said is they can't pass legislation with only a handful of people
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:52 PM
Sep 2025

on the floor because the Democrats would object due to lack of a quorum. They didn't object to lack of a quorum on the day of remembrance resolution because it's largely meaningless - let the Republicans do their performative bullshit but don't expect us to give you something to weaponize against.

I have no idea where you're getting legislation can't be passed by unanimous consent, I said nothing of the sort.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
260. There was no quorum: 51 senators were not in the chamber.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:28 PM
Sep 2025

The consideration of the resolution by unanimous consent proceeded outside of regular order.

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. Tuberville: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
263. That does not necessarily mean that fewer than 51 senators were present
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:54 PM
Sep 2025

But even if there were, it doesn’t make the resolution’s passage less valid.

The Senate can, and routinely does, waive its quorum requirements by unanimous consent

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
265. Sorry to disappoint anyone, but yes it does.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:00 PM
Sep 2025

Presuming that there are 100 senators (and there are), the minimum quorum is 51.

-------------------------------

Scott ("notwithstanding rule XXII" ) was careful not to invoke cloture . At the end of his ridiculous speech, Tuberville, suggested the absence of a quorum, a roll call was ordered and then stopped when Lankford asked for unanimous consent for the quorum call to be rescinded.

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. Tuberville: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

=================================

Voting and Quorum Procedures in the Senate

The Constitution states that "a Majority of each [House] shall constitute a quorum to do business." The Senate presumes that it is complying with this requirement and that a quorum is always present unless and until the absence of a quorum is suggested or demonstrated. This presumption allows the Senate to conduct its business on the floor with fewer than 51 Senators present until a Senator "suggests the absence of a quorum."

Except when the Senate has invoked cloture, the presiding officer may not count to determine if a quorum is present. When the absence of a quorum is suggested, therefore, the presiding officer directs the Clerk to call the roll. The Senate cannot resume its business until a majority of Senators respond to the quorum call or unless, by unanimous consent, "further proceedings under the quorum call are dispensed with" before the last Senator's name has been called. If a quorum fails to respond, the Senate may adjourn or take steps necessary to secure the attendance of enough Senators to constitute a quorum. It usually takes the latter course by agreeing to a motion that instructs the Sergeant at Arms to request the attendance of absent Senators.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/96-452



tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
270. The quorum call was rescinded by unanimous consent.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:31 PM
Sep 2025

I’m not seeing why this is problematic.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
273. Yes, I know. That doesn't mean there was a quorum.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:08 PM
Sep 2025

The motion for rescission of the quorum call was made by a Republican

Had the roll call proceeded and had it been determined that the quorum requirement had not been met, the resolution would have been tabled rather than approved by those members present, once again by unanimous consent.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
271. Thank you. I'm not sure why people insist on arguing this point
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:44 PM
Sep 2025

The Senate can conduct business without a quorum - even as few as just a handful of people present as long as nobody objects. Anything important will always require a quorum because the other side would object to passing it without a quorum. The Democrats clearly deemed the Kirk Day of Remembrance resolution as unimportant so they let Republicans pass it wiht hardly anyone there.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
274. Fun fact: Schumer's use of a blanket hold on unanimous consent was what slowed confirmation
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:16 PM
Sep 2025

and created the backlog of Trump's nominees.



LearnedHand

(5,222 posts)
6. I am so angry it's hard to breathe
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:40 AM
Sep 2025

I thought there might be a spine or two, or that they’d vote present at a minimum.

Ping Tung

(4,121 posts)
7. "It is bad to be oppressed by a minority, but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority." Lord Acton
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:44 AM
Sep 2025

ImNotGod

(1,194 posts)
8. Well, poodles got to poodle. The poodles should write a how to book on how to not inspire people to show up and vote.nt
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:46 AM
Sep 2025

Heidi

(58,846 posts)
9. No can do. I'll be busy celebrating the Rocky Horror Picture Show's 50th anniversary.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:49 AM
Sep 2025
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Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
13. Damn excellent idea
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:02 AM
Sep 2025

This kind of non resistance from our leaders makes me just want to say “fuck it, I’m out”

Heidi

(58,846 posts)
49. I have no answer except the march of time.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:04 AM
Sep 2025

But they can never take my precious memory of the first time I ever saw the RHPC on the big screen with audience participation. I was 17, raised Southern Baptist, and at this midnight event after senior prom. It’s no exaggeration to say it changed my life trajectory for the infinitely better. I’m not sure I’d ever experienced genuine FUN until that night.

Vinca

(53,218 posts)
12. Wonderful. Can we have a day of remembrance for Charlie Manson, too? Standards are gone.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:52 AM
Sep 2025

I'm really fucking annoyed with Congressional Democrats.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
192. Congressional Democrats did not vote for a Day of Remembrance
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:22 PM
Sep 2025

A resolution for a day of remembrance was introduced ONLY in the Senate, NOT the House. In the Senate it passed by unanimous consent meaning either no Democrats were present in the Chamber when the call for unanimous consent was meant, or any Democrats present walked out. NO DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE!

Also to be clear, resolutions like this are strictly performative and mostly meaningless. They have no force of law behind them. And the day of remembrance is a one time thing, nothing permanent.

questionseverything

(11,516 posts)
221. You keep saying, no democrats were present or walked out... do you have a link to support that?
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 05:56 AM
Sep 2025

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
235. I can find no evidence anyone was on the Senate Floor when the resolution
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:21 AM
Sep 2025

was introduced and unanimous consent called for beyond Rick Scott (who introduced the resolution), Marsha Blackburn, and Bill Hagerty. This happened at 1:15 pm on Thursday. The last Democrat to speak before Scott was Senator Hassan at 12:43 pm (and she spoke for at most 3 minutes). The next Democrat to speak after the resolution "passed" was Senator Warner at 2:58 pm.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/thursday-september-18-2025/

I can find no video of the Senate at that time showing any Democrats on the floor.


Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
239. This reddit comment confirms there were more than 90 Senators absent
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 09:17 AM
Sep 2025

and this video confirms the Senate was virtually empty when the call came for unanimous consent.

https://www.reddit.com/r/California_Politics/comments/1nl7y4d/removed_by_moderator/

The Senate did not "unanimously" vote on anything. This was a vote where more than ninety Senators were absent. No Democrats were present. Calling it "consent" when, in reality, the two California democratic Senators were simply unaware that a minor vote was called by two of their colleagues, is a clear attempt to divide the Democratic voter pool and discourage blue voting.


Here's the actual "vote" (at about the 46 second mark). When he calls for everyone in favor to say "aye", you can only hear one voice (presumably Scott). The Senate floor was clearly virtually empty.


questionseverything

(11,516 posts)
242. Have you changed from no dems to "two California democrats weren't aware "
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:09 AM
Sep 2025

I’m not saying you are definitely wrong, but you don’t know for sure and yet you’re up and down the page presenting your opinion as a certainty

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
245. I'm saying NO DEMOCRATS WERE PRESENT ON THE FLOOR.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:35 AM
Sep 2025

The evidence from the video pretty much proves that TRUE. The Senate chamber is clearly effectively empty.

That was a stupid way for that reddit commenter to characterize it because it's totally irrelevant why they weren't there. The fact is, NO DEMOCRATS WERE PRESENT. Why you continue to deny reality in order to bash Democrats, I have no idea.

questionseverything

(11,516 posts)
248. You presented the reddit commenter as proof , not i
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:01 AM
Sep 2025

I think it’s pretty clear that the “unanimous consent “ is not what the title suggests, it was technically “unanimous consent “ because no one objected but clearly this didn’t have the support of the full chamber

But

You still don’t show proof of your assertion that no democrats were present, and the name calling isn’t necessary and doesn’t prove anything

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
251. What name calling? There was no name calling.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:10 AM
Sep 2025

The video that shows there is clearly nobody else present in the Senate is proof. I can't help it if you refuse to accept it.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
243. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:14 AM
Sep 2025

The Congressional Record shows that cloture was not invoked (Senate rule XXII) and a quorum was not present.

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
241. Cloture was not invoked, and there was no quorum. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:03 AM
Sep 2025

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered


https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
246. See this video at the 46 second mark.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:49 AM
Sep 2025

When he calls for all those in favor to say "Aye", only a single voice is audible. It's quite possible that the only person who actually said aye was Rick Scott though based on the Congressional Record & video, Hagerty, Tuberville, Moreno & Lankford were there and I assume Blackburn was also still present.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
247. Meanwhile, there are folks roasting Democrats based on inaccurate, right-wing rage bait. N/T
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:54 AM
Sep 2025

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
255. There is so much disinformation or misinformation on this thread.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:31 AM
Sep 2025

And while an unfortunately large amount of it comes from other DU users most of that is unintentional because they have been misled into believing things that aren't true. The original source of it is the pathetic media. So many media stories have published things about this that are either misleading or flat out false.

Most of the media is saying the Senate voted unanimously. They must be taking that straight from Republican talking points. There was no vote. There was a call for unanimous consent while there were no more than a handful of people in the Senate. It appears only a single person actually voted AYE. So I guess one person can be unanimous but the media characterizing it as a unanimous vote is intentionally misleading people into thinking all Democrats supported it when the opposite is true.

Many stories said both the House & Senate voted for a Day of Remembrance for Kirk. Again, that is flat out false. The House has NOT voted on a resolution calling for a Day of Remembrance. They only voted on a resolution "honoring" Kirk. Most democrats strongly objected to the language in that resolution which is why a total of 118 refused to vote for it. By continually citing 58 no votes, the media are intentionally misleading and making it sound like the Democratic opposition was much weaker than it really was.

The media has presented these votes as being especially meaningful when in fact they are mostly meaningless. They are strictly performative. They are non binding. They have no power of law. Many media seemed to purposely write about them in such a way to make people think they were creating a special day to honor Kirk every year for eternity. They appeared todo this strictly to make their non-MAGA readers angry. Ultimately, these votes are not worth getting upset about because 99.9% ovf voters will never know they even ever occurred.

It's really been a shameful display by the media.

Vinca

(53,218 posts)
224. Congress encompasses both the House and the Senate. It doesn't just mean the House of Representatives.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:28 AM
Sep 2025

Heidi

(58,846 posts)
22. Better: NO remembrance day/celebration the VILE Charlie Kirk.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:20 AM
Sep 2025

Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

No one should be killed for their opinions but CK was lucky to have died a fast death. George Floyd was accused of but NEVER convicted of passing a counterfeit $20 and suffered—calling out for his mother—for 8 minutes and 46 seconds at the hands of the state. CK enjoyed enormous privilege even in death. There is no POC in the US who would have enjoyed such privilege for public behavior anywhere close to the shit CK spouted.

Johnny2X2X

(23,670 posts)
18. He was a racist, sexist, and homophobic troll
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:12 AM
Sep 2025

It's sickening we're honoring hate now. But politically, it was necessary.

Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
19. It was absolutely fucking not necessary for a single Democrat to support this
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:15 AM
Sep 2025

They could have all voted no and it would still pass.

BannonsLiver

(20,199 posts)
20. There's basically no argument to be made that it was "necessary"
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:17 AM
Sep 2025

Unless one thinks this will somehow placate the maga mob and their media acolytes. Spoiler alert: It won’t.

slightlv

(7,384 posts)
46. Not only do I agree with you Bannons,
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:56 AM
Sep 2025

but I'll add I'm sick and tired of it being said we have to do "this" or not do "that" because it's too political. Bullcrap! That's one of the things that got us into this mess in the first place. If we'd screwed politics and just ran on and then executed what was RIGHT for the American people, we might have avoided all this in the first place. People let the R's set the propaganda, the media ran with it, and everybody else just lapped it up and repeated it. Happened when we were yelling about RvW, too. Frack politics! Do what is Right, Moral, and Ethical and make no excuses for it. We're likely to have a few more killed because of this, now... and I just can't help thinking it didn't have to be this way!

NCDem47

(3,312 posts)
34. The day will only have significance for the trolls in the swamp
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:44 AM
Sep 2025

for once, most not paying attention to ANYTHING will be of benefit.

Still…it’s just the principle of it all.

Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #18)

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
21. Well shit. Lets make his birthday a federal holiday and name some institutions
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 2025

after him. the White Hose can be the Charlie Kirk Bed and Breakfast. the Smithstonian can be the Charlie Kirk Oddities and Curiosity Gift Shop and the INS can be the Charlie Kirk Halloween Torture Chambers

tritsofme

(19,766 posts)
81. That is essentially what happened. No one actually cast a vote for the resolution, it passed by unanimous consent
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:32 AM
Sep 2025

Meaning no one actively objected to its passage.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
170. I suspect some probably were.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:22 PM
Sep 2025

No roll call vote. No way to tell who was on the floor at the time.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
183. They were. No Democrats were present when the call for unanimous
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:54 PM
Sep 2025

Consent was issued.

lark

(25,849 posts)
24. Stupid! Celebrating the Kirk hate machine is definitely unAmerican.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:30 AM
Sep 2025

Dems are such cowards, sometimes.

When they won't stand up on this, why would we expect them not to cave on the CR?

CrispyQ

(40,610 posts)
31. If I hadn't already changed my affiliation to non-affiliated, I'd do so today.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:37 AM
Sep 2025


And they wonder why they're polling so low.

BigMin28

(1,815 posts)
36. The grifting punk
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:45 AM
Sep 2025

gets a remembrance day, yet the thousands of children murdered and traumatized by gun violence are ignored. We are scolded should we mention them. MAGATS... A pox on all your houses!!!

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,053 posts)
39. Works for me.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:48 AM
Sep 2025

I will remember him as the worthless. racist piece shit he was and ceremonially piss on his grave at every opportunity.

Bev54

(13,149 posts)
40. WTF? As a Canadian, I am absolutely disgusted by this move from democrats in the senate.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:49 AM
Sep 2025

I am afraid that unless the masses rise up there is no hope. These are supposed to be the sensible ones and they turn around and do this? Sick and twisted.

oldinmtdem92

(100 posts)
118. just what i thought.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:18 PM
Sep 2025

my first reaction was wtf .our country is in serious trouble , i pitty the young i am old unless they get thier heads out of their backsides their fucked .

Orrex

(66,590 posts)
44. Perhaps a cheerleader can remind us that Democrats are doing all that they can
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:54 AM
Sep 2025

How better to obstruct Trump’s fascist agenda than by canonizing an extremist Reichwing propagandist?

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
48. I wouldn't count on our party doing too well in the midterms.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:01 AM
Sep 2025

I hope I'm wrong about this.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
73. Passed unanimously on June 25th
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:28 AM
Sep 2025
The U.S. House unanimously adopted a resolution Wednesday condemning the June 14 attacks on former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, who were killed by a gunman, and state Sen. John Hoffman and his wife, who were wounded.

The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Kelly Morrison, who represents Minnesota’s 3rd District – which includes Brooklyn Park, where the Hortmans lived – also condemned political violence. Each of the seven other members of Minnesota’s bipartisan U.S. House delegation co-sponsored the legislation and spoke in support on the House floor this week.

No House member spoke against the resolution during brief floor debate Tuesday. It passed 424-0 Wednesday, with eight members not voting.


https://www.eplocalnews.org/2025/06/26/u-s-house-approves-resolution-denouncing-minnesota-shootings-political-violence/

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
137. She wasn't a promoter of bigotry and she didn't get a special, permanent day of remembrance.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:01 PM
Sep 2025
Big difference.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
146. The poster I replied to asked where was the resolution for Hortman?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:20 PM
Sep 2025

I was just pointing out there was one.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
171. It is not a "permanent" day of remembrance.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:36 PM
Sep 2025

It's a one-time thing. See the resolution. And because it is a resolution, it does not have the force of law. It merely is an expression of support for the designation of October 14, 2025 as a day of remembrance for Kirk. While that's too much, imo, it is important to understand what it isn't as well.

https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
187. Did it just condemn the political violence? Or was it also an exercise in hagiography?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:12 PM
Sep 2025

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
200. The resolution for the day of remembrance was just to declare a one day day of remembrance
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:38 PM
Sep 2025

and was only passed in the senate. Separate resolutions "honoring" Kirk were passed by both the House and the Senate. The House resolution had all kinds of sickening stuff about how wonderful Kirk was which is why a total of 118 Democrats refused to vote for it. The senate resolution was very short, didn't have all the disgusting stuff that the House one did. It was mostly just a condemnation of political violence. It also called him a devoted father and extended condolences to his family, and pointed out he founded Turning Point USA. It did not try to paint him as a saint like the House version which is probably why Democrats were OK with it. It passed by unanimous consent several days ago.

https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/55A19212-1EC1-4868-A72B-8E271E2D81B2

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/391/text

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/719/text

Hope22

(4,418 posts)
56. Never once passed a vote for the dead kids!
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:12 AM
Sep 2025

When is the last time they did anything unanimously! I suggest if they are too afraid to do what is right and stand up to that monster….quit your job!!! These people are gutless!

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
58. I can't believe that my MN Senators voted for this obscenity
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:13 AM
Sep 2025

especially after the murder of Melissa Hortman.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
80. Why not? They sponsored one several weeks ago that passed unanimously
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:32 AM
Sep 2025

June 25

The U.S. House unanimously adopted a resolution Wednesday condemning the June 14 attacks on former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, who were killed by a gunman, and state Sen. John Hoffman and his wife, who were wounded.

The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Kelly Morrison, who represents Minnesota’s 3rd District – which includes Brooklyn Park, where the Hortmans lived – also condemned political violence. Each of the seven other members of Minnesota’s bipartisan U.S. House delegation co-sponsored the legislation and spoke in support on the House floor this week.

No House member spoke against the resolution during brief floor debate Tuesday. It passed 424-0 Wednesday, with eight members not voting.



https://www.eplocalnews.org/2025/06/26/u-s-house-approves-resolution-denouncing-minnesota-shootings-political-violence/

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
92. Kind of a different thing.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:47 AM
Sep 2025

This resolution not only condemns Kirk's murder, which is appropriate, but goes on to glorify him and designate a day in his honor. Melissa Hortman wasn't a bigot whose free speech consisted of complaints that Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was an unqualified DEI hire; that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake; that gay and trans people weren't entitled to basic civil rights; that gun deaths were the necessary price of the freedom provided by the 2nd Amendment, and on and on. It's one thing to deplore a political murder but it's something else altogether to honor someone as destructive as Kirk.

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
98. Because I live in Minneapolis and was chillingly familiar with the incident.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:52 AM
Sep 2025

The morning after the murder the entire metropolitan area was advised to stay home and not go to the scheduled No Kings protest because the murderer was on the loose. We went, of course. Melissa Hortman was well-known and well-respected and it was a very upsetting situation for people who live here.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
104. OK, I've just seen multiple posts from people unaware that the House passed a resolution regarding Hortman weeks ago
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:00 PM
Sep 2025

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
136. I was aware of the resolution, but it wasn't the same
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:00 PM
Sep 2025

as glorifying a racist bigot like Kirk.

MichMan

(16,525 posts)
142. I suggest you contact your representatives and tell them how angry you are with their vote then
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:15 PM
Sep 2025

GJGCA

(204 posts)
155. They (almost certainly) didn't
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 03:11 PM
Sep 2025

vote FOR it, they just didn't vote AGAINST it, or 6/half-dozen OBJECT to unanimous consent.

Ocelot II

(128,806 posts)
156. You're right; it wasn't based on a vote, but on unanimous consent -
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 03:14 PM
Sep 2025

but dammit, they shouldn't have unanimously consented.

Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
64. Bullshit. We need to stand for principals. This is submission
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:21 AM
Sep 2025

And it will not inspire the base to get out the vote; worse, it will act as a drag.

Why the fuck should we fight if our elected representation won’t?!

Xavier Breath

(6,409 posts)
252. When I was a kid, maybe fifth grade, someone had written "principal" when the correct word to use was "principle."
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:13 AM
Sep 2025

Our teacher seized the opportunity and told us that, to keep the two words straight, we should always remember that the school's principal was our "pal." We let out a collective groan, but her quick, improvised lesson has stuck with me to this day.

themaguffin

(4,885 posts)
154. We have to pick our battles & keeping Kirk in the headlines isn't helpful. FFS. And no this isn't like Pelosi's comment
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 02:52 PM
Sep 2025

about Epstein. Oof.

nwduke

(480 posts)
62. Just a reminder! This is who these zealots are honoring!🤬
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:16 AM
Sep 2025

Things Charlie Kirk has said.
Gay people should be stoned to death
Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
No one should be allowed to retire
Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
Religious freedom should be terminated
Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
MLK Jr was "an awful person"
The Great Replacement Theory is reality
Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
Women's natural place is under their husband's control
Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates

JustAnotherGen

(37,475 posts)
101. So we undo it
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:56 AM
Sep 2025

This will be brought up a few weeks before next year's mid terms. We can leverage it during early voting.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
172. FALSE.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:40 PM
Sep 2025

It is a one-time thing. It's a resolution, without any force of law. And it expressly declares October 14, 2025 as a day of remembrance

Look, it's an abomination that it was introduced and passed. But you shouldn't be spreading misinformation about it here.

https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE

Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #66)

Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #66)

LeftInTX

(34,013 posts)
163. Since it's a resolution, that passed via consent I think it's only this year.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 04:51 PM
Sep 2025

It seems like ever session here, they need a resolution for things that are frequently repeated. Like Truck Month (Well, I'm joking on that one)

But things like, designating, "Rodeo month", "Charro Day", "Hector Garcia Day", "Jovita Pilar Day", non holidays, but having to do with customs and routines, but not officially forever designated, are via a consent resolution.

Wiz Imp

(8,710 posts)
206. It's pretty meaningless to be honest
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:49 PM
Sep 2025

Resolutions like this are non-binding and have no power of law behind them. Votes are strictly performative. The day of remembrance resolution passed by the senate declares a single day (October 14, 2025). Also, such a resolution only passed the Senate NOT the House. So the day of remembrance is "official" only so far as the Senate is concerned. There is no legally recognized day of remembrance.

JTOL

(50 posts)
74. Dun(kirk)
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 2025

The Repugs passes a Remembrance day for the wrong Kirk. Although both share a similar name, Dun-kirk. Not one senator would even under stand (or heard of) the atrocities of the battle of Dunkirk which unfortunately, cost considerably more lives than 1 propagandist. It is disgusting!

Abstractartist

(409 posts)
75. I'll celebrate
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 2025

I’ll celebrate this day. I’ll remember that he is no longer spewing his crap. He is or will be buried and gone from our view.

lostincalifornia

(4,884 posts)
76. Pure politics. Meaningless crap. Hopefully it will divert attention from a racist pig back to
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 2025

the real issues.

The real issue is if the Democrats will hold strong on the government shutdown and not cave to trump.

That will be the real test.



Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
87. It's fucking terrible politics, are you serious
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:40 AM
Sep 2025

This is absolutely demoralizing to their base!

And as far as holding out on the shutdown, this stunt doesn’t bode well for that!

lostincalifornia

(4,884 posts)
93. I didn't say it was good. I just speculated what I thought their motivation was.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:48 AM
Sep 2025

As far as the “base” being demoralized, are they not going to vote Democratic in the midterms?

2016 and 2024 were evidence that not voting Democratic was not a good strategy.

If we don’t win one of the Houses in 2026, we won’t have to wait until 2028, our Democracy will be over.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
250. At least 50 senators were not in the chamber when the call for unanimous consent went out.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:08 AM
Sep 2025

The Congressional Record reflects that a quorum (a simple majority of 51) was not present.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
249. What "stunt"? At least 50 senators were not in the chamber when the motion for unanimous consent was called.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:02 AM
Sep 2025

The Congressional Record reflects that cloture was not invoked (Senate Rule XXII) and that there was no quorum.

From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

snip-------------------------------------------

Mr. LANKFORD [of Oklahoma]: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

Mr. Sparkle

(3,600 posts)
78. Our party has no leadership
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:30 AM
Sep 2025

Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

We badly need a change at the top.

fujiyamasan

(1,108 posts)
141. Yep fuck their pathetic begging emails
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:14 PM
Sep 2025

The party’s leadership seems like a bunch of grifters.



BadgerMom

(3,376 posts)
82. I just shouted down the phone in Sen. Heinrich and Lujan's offices.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:35 AM
Sep 2025

I hate when I do that. I’m just so angry. Would Republicans weaponize Democratic pushback? Of course. But they’ll weaponize whatever we do or do not do. We know that like we know the sun will rise in the east. So why not repeat our mantra of “assassination, bad; Kirk, problematic, but not deserving of death”? Prepare and organize for the pushback, but speak for those of us with no microphone.

By not standing up for principle—for the blacks, women, gun control advocates, non-Christians, Palestinians, Paul Pelosis, Joe Bidens of this party who are asked to honor a person who threatened or belittled us—we’re demonstrating we will not protect them. We’re not displaying leadership. Not a single Democrat spoke up? I am abandoned. And I am steamed.

Alice B.

(687 posts)
83. ARE YOU FING SERIOUS?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:36 AM
Sep 2025

I can't. I can't with this. Why are we still offering cookies to the side backing white and Christian nationalism?

angrychair

(11,639 posts)
88. I find this incredibly disconcerting
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:42 AM
Sep 2025

This is disgusting. The guy was a self-avowed racist, misogynist, antisemitic and a bigot.

I genuinely feel betrayed.

Jarqui

(10,804 posts)
89. I don't know what to say any more
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sep 2025

How they could "honor" or want to remember this person who said so many ugly, hateful things is beyond me

Bluetus

(2,177 posts)
90. Damned cowards. THey should have boycotted the vote, but more importantly ...
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sep 2025

marched their asses outside the Capitol for a news event explaining that they would happily vote for a resolution condemning ALL political violence, and ewmwmbweing ALL the people killed in politically motivated events.

And then, follow that with a demand to take real action on gun violence and mental health issues.

I don't know which is more disappointing: the cowardice or the inability to organize for tactics that can fight back.

They chose the worst of all possible alternatives. They covered in their bunker and failed to do anything to offer an alternative to the American public.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
106. There was no vote. It passed by unanimous consent.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:01 PM
Sep 2025

The Economic Times’s framing is rage bait.

Bluetus

(2,177 posts)
134. Nonetheless, where is the Dem strategy here?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:51 PM
Sep 2025

The strategy seems to be to just sit there and get pummeled instead of trying to take some initiative.

We had a terrible politically-motivated murder. And the political violence is growing by the day. What is the Dem strategy? What is the Dem message? Where is the opposition? Where is the direct challenge to the Republicans?

Response to Bluetus (Reply #134)

Solly Mack

(96,279 posts)
91. Fuck that noise. I'll not be supporting an action that supports the false narrative about what kind of person Kirk was.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:45 AM
Sep 2025

He was a hatemonger. Pretending otherwise won't save any of us.

patphil

(8,666 posts)
96. He's not worthy of such an honor.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:50 AM
Sep 2025

He's a misogynist, racist, right wing tool. I don't support his murder, but he simply wasn't someone who should be honored for what he did in life.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,048 posts)
99. Have you lost your f.cking minds?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:56 AM
Sep 2025

What about all of the women and minorities that sent you to D.C.
This guy was a racist misogynist and you vote to honor him. Were you afraid of getting canceled? You're already polling poorly.
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PISSED WE ARE?
THE ONE THING YOU HAD WITHIN YOUR POWER WAS TO EXPRESS YOUR CONSTITUENTS ANGER BY VOTING AGAINST THIS AND YOU LICK MAGA A.S.
F.ck you all.

You dumbsh.ts fell for their trap and you chose wrong. You do take us for granted. You make me sick.

LiberalArkie

(19,206 posts)
100. It is an annual? But it does seem to indicate where this nation is at this point in time.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:56 AM
Sep 2025

Bengus81

(9,750 posts)
103. And if Paul Pelosi would have died from being BEAT WITH A HAMMER TO THE HEAD
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:57 AM
Sep 2025

Are we supposed to fucking believe that Republicans would honor his LIFE with a day of remembrance? FUCK NO they wouldn't. They just wouldn't have shown up. Maybe Dems could have got it passed but ZERO Republicans would be on record as present and agreeing with the consent.

kerouac2

(1,398 posts)
105. wth? regardless of cause of death, awful humans do not deserve this.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:00 PM
Sep 2025

they could have made it gun violence victims remembrance day...

bluestarone

(21,057 posts)
107. At the very least the Democrats should have ADDED ALL school shootings to
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:03 PM
Sep 2025

The vote!! WTF are they thinking??

Response to Mr.WeRP (Original post)

rsdsharp

(11,739 posts)
124. Good Lord! Two weeks ago 70% of the country couldn't have picked this guy out of a lineup.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:32 PM
Sep 2025

sop

(17,278 posts)
125. A Democrat should have at least stood and recited Kirk's own words from the well of the Senate,
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:33 PM
Sep 2025

to honor and commemorate the man, of course. How could any Republican object to that?

blm

(114,412 posts)
132. Right before the next No Kings Marches so left will be blamed for breaking the FAKE 'PEACE'
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:49 PM
Sep 2025

the Republican lie machine will have manufactured.

Sorry, but, DC Dems can be the most naive people and easily manipulated by the GOP at times like this.

Terry Schiavo to the nth degree.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
133. The headline is inaccurate rage bait, and the Economic Times is a right wing source
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:49 PM
Sep 2025

Last edited Fri Sep 19, 2025, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)

that routinely fails fact checks.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/



lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
135. NO DEMOCRAT VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION because no vote was taken.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:57 PM
Sep 2025

The resolution was "approved" by unanimous consent with no roll call vote. We don't even know how many Democrats were in the chamber when the resolution was approved without a vote.

Who benefits from the right wing rag's rage bait headline?

Cui bono?

Not Democrats.

Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
143. Mincing cowardly words are we? Typical cover for nonsense
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:16 PM
Sep 2025
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs

Action was a Voice Vote, no objections with current status as Agreed to By Senate.

In other words, UNANIMOUS.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
167. Wait, do I still stand accused of *slandering* the the right-wing, fake news source?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:07 PM
Sep 2025

Is that in addition to or instead of *cowardly mincing of words* for pointing out that according to Senate rules and Robert's Rules of Order a "unanimous vote" and "unanimous consent" are two distinctly different things?

So to review:
- The Economic Times is right-wing, fake news trash
- A resolution and a bill are two different things
- A unanimous vote and unanimous consent are two different things
- There was no "unanimous vote" in the Senate on the Kirk resolution
- I am one person, not a "we", although the quizzical flourish at the end of the question was super dramactic.

Query:
In the annals of the Crime of Insisting on Facts and Reputable Sources, which is the more serious crime, "mincing cowardly words" or slandering a right wing, fake news source?



Cha

(316,421 posts)
205. Who are you calling "cowardly", Mr Werp?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 10:47 PM
Sep 2025
"Driving the news: Republicans voted unanimously to pass the resolution."

The Day of Remembrance would be Kirk's birthday, October 14.
The resolution was introduced by Rep. Jimmy Patronis (R-Fl.) and Senator Rick Scott (R-Fl), with all Republican co-sponsors.
This is just a simple resolution, which means for now, it is not enshrined in the law and does not require a full Senate vote.

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/18/charlie-kirk-national-day-remembrance

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20658058

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
238. It appears that it's cowardly to call out right wing, fake news sources and the lies
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 09:09 AM
Sep 2025

that they tell.

My motto is not "Never let facts and truth get in the way of bashing Democrats".

Mahalo, my friend.



Cha

(316,421 posts)
262. That's a Good Motto to have.. It goes Well
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 04:25 PM
Sep 2025

with Fighting FOR Our Democracy. Which I know is your Goal That I Appreciate So Incredibly Much!

Kindred Spirits!

fujiyamasan

(1,108 posts)
144. The financial times is hardly right wing
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:18 PM
Sep 2025

That is nonsense. It is hardly the WSJ.

Besides, it doesn’t matter. The problem is with dem leadership and actually countering this canonization of Kirk.



lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
161. The OP cites the Economic Times, not the Financial Times. I corrected my headline.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 04:44 PM
Sep 2025


======================================



QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Right-Center biased and Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks.

Detailed Report

Reasoning: Numerous Failed Fact Checks, Fake News
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER (3.2)
Factual Reporting: MIXED (5.5)
Country: India
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

fujiyamasan

(1,108 posts)
166. The Economic times is a sensationalistic Indian newspaper
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 04:55 PM
Sep 2025

I’m familiar with Indian news, and I question the credibility of many of their newspapers. They have a few good ones though.

Much of their media takes a very pro government stance. I fear our own media is going the same direction.

I really wouldn’t place the paper on the American left-right political spectrum though. Their politics just don’t apply to us for the most part.

I didn’t check whether this article was an original by them or a feed from another agency. Sometimes their reporters won’t understand American political nuances, especially with parliamentary and legislative procedures and votes.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
169. I stand accused of *slandering* the Economic Times for calling out the inaccuracy of its rage bait headline.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:15 PM
Sep 2025

Thank you for your insights.

Mr.WeRP

(1,084 posts)
147. Inaccurate yet you provide no evidence than to slander the source?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:22 PM
Sep 2025

Here is the senate bill link:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs

Voice vote, no objections and AGREED TO IN SENATE. In other words, Unanimous!

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
152. To begin with, it was a resolution, not a bill, and no roll call vote was taken.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 02:23 PM
Sep 2025

No Democrat voted for the resolution. It was not approved unanimously; it was approved by unanimous consent.

Difference from unanimous vote

Action taken by unanimous consent does not necessarily mean that it was taken by a unanimous vote. It does not necessarily mean that every member of the body would have voted in favor of the proposal. It may mean that members feeling that it would be useless to oppose a matter would simply acquiesce.

For example, passing legislation via unanimous consent does not require that every member of a legislature, a majority of members or even a quorum of representatives to be present to vote. Unanimous consent merely requires that no representative of those present has asked to take a recorded vote or has requested quorum verification.

For that reason, a claim that a piece of legislation was passed "unanimously", when it was really passed via "unanimous consent", can be misleading as to its level of support.


=====================================

I'm sure what to make of the charge of *slandering* a right wing source characterized as "questionable", but I am curious as to how it wound up here at DU.

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Right-Center biased and Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks.


Detailed Report

Reasoning: Numerous Failed Fact Checks, Fake News
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER (3.2)
Factual Reporting: MIXED (5.5)
Country: India
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/


lostincalifornia

(4,884 posts)
159. It seems very unlikely. I doubt Sanders voted for this, and also other Senate Democrats also
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 04:27 PM
Sep 2025

would not vote for this also.

Total distortion I think.

fujiyamasan

(1,108 posts)
145. The way the party is doing
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 01:19 PM
Sep 2025

There’s got going to be a base left. Not sure who they’re trying to pander to.

Bluetus

(2,177 posts)
175. I assume they worked across the aisle day and night to get that landmark legislation passed
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 07:26 PM
Sep 2025

DownriverDem

(6,958 posts)
158. Hate it, but
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 03:43 PM
Sep 2025

having the MAGAs and MSM obsessing about who didn't vote for it would suck up too much air.

bluestarone

(21,057 posts)
165. Remember RETHUGS are figuring out what we hate most. THEN
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 04:51 PM
Sep 2025

DOING IT!! Gonna be a long 3 years or maybe for eternity. THIS is killing me.

Passages

(3,986 posts)
168. Shameful.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:12 PM
Sep 2025

Republicans will never take responsibility for the level of gun shootings in this country, especially now.

They will never acknowledge Kirk as a white supremacist, especially now...this whitewashes Kirk.


onenote

(45,963 posts)
173. Point of clarification. It's an abomination, but its not a law and its not permanent.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 05:44 PM
Sep 2025

It's a resolution, not a statute. And its a one-time thing without force of law.

That doesn't mean it's not an inappropriate abomination, but let's not make it into something its not.

Link to resolution:

https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/services/files/993626FC-E3F5-4014-A16A-E1681E9CACBE

Quiet Em

(2,519 posts)
177. Senate Democrats did not vote unanimously for the Republican's Charlie Kirk Day stunt
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 07:49 PM
Sep 2025

They just didn't object to the call for unanimous consent because if they did it would have forced a roll call vote and it would have passed because Republicans are in the majority.

It was a Republican stunt that is non-binding and means nothing.

The Senate Democrats simply ignored the Republican stunt.

BigmanPigman

(54,533 posts)
179. AND on Oct., 18th US citizens plan 2,000+ NO KINGS protests!
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 08:37 PM
Sep 2025

The fucking moron is even more stupid than I thought (how can you be more stupid than 100% but he somehow manages to outdo himself in this department).

Currently there are over 2,000 NO KINGS protests planned for Oct 18th, one month from now.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220403528

The NO KINGS protest on June 14th (tRump's birthday and his grand show of military tanks ripping up the streets of DC for his massive ego) had 2,000 protests and millions of marchers. It was the largest mass protest in US history.

The NO KINGS Oct. 18th protest already has over 2,000 protests planned with 4 more weeks to go!

His "Day of Remembrance" will drive even more people to protest. Hs really is a fucking moron.

tRump's "Remembrance Day" will bomb as much as his birthday bash. I guarantee that "Remembrance Day" will piss even more Americans off and drive even more citizens to the NO KINGS protest 4 days after his shit show.

No Kings https://share.google/bns3cEKjL6vtt8joj0


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MichMan

(16,525 posts)
215. Can't believe all the angst over a stupid resolution
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:06 PM
Sep 2025

Congress passes them all the time to designate things like recognizing the KC Chiefs for winning the Super Bowl, the 75th Anniversary of NASCAR, or for "National Agriculture Day"

onenote

(45,963 posts)
232. Yeah, but...
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:23 AM
Sep 2025

I agree that as a resolution, it doesn't carry the weight of law. But what it says, and what may follow from it is potentially concerning. The resolution "encourages educational institutions, civic organizations, and citizens across the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, activities, prayers, and ceremonies that promote civic engagement and the principles of faith, liberty, and democracy that Charlie Kirk championed."

I have no doubt that some schools, "civic" organizations, and businesses will use the resolution as the basis for holding tributes to Kirk on Oct.14 and I have no doubt that in some instances, they will attempt to impose consequences on those who don't protest or don't participate. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone get fired from their job or suspended from school for not complying.

IzzaNuDay

(1,224 posts)
219. BOO! HISS!
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:04 AM
Sep 2025

what a load of crap! Disgusting!
I will complain to my rep and senators.
this was the classic “peace before truth” paradigm.
don’t cause conflict by voting no…

Emile

(40,305 posts)
229. Will they force employers to give workers the
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 06:57 AM
Sep 2025

day off with pay?

If not, it will be ignored.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
231. No. It doesn't force anyone to do anything.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:19 AM
Sep 2025

It "encourages educational institutions, civic organizations, and citizens across the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, activities, prayers, and ceremonies that promote civic engagement and the principles of faith, liberty, and democracy that Charlie Kirk championed."

I fully expect that some "educational institutions and civic organizations" will have moments of silence or possibly some other plans for paying tribute to Kirk. Some businesses may do so also. Will students, employees, etc. be free to ignore such events? It will get interesting. If my place of employment or school was planning something like that, I'd call in sick that day or otherwise find reason to be absent.

lonely bird

(2,707 posts)
233. Hmmm
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 08:04 AM
Sep 2025

I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut whether not this performative bullshit was binding or whether it set up a permanent day or any other bullshit regarding the excrement known as Charlie Kirk. He was disgusting. His family did not deserve what happened to him although his wife, it appears, is moving to cash in on her sudden notoriety. Perhaps that is just an emotional response but I actually doubt it.

Beyond that? Republicans are disgusting, vile, lacking any moral center and any other descriptors you may like to add. They are the dark underbelly that has always been in America and the stupidity of the electorate brought them out into the light where they are flourishing.

So, no, I don’t care about the actual circumstances of this performative bullshit.

Fuck Republicans with a rusty rasp.

flying_wahini

(8,244 posts)
276. Hope we can take this off our calendars later. I would hate to have to look at this very year.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 10:49 AM
Sep 2025

Expungement of this BS.

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