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Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:40 PM Sep 2025

CK's death and aftermath bears a striking resemblence to that of Sergei Kirov in the 1930s Soviet Union.

I know that the Google AI Overview isn't the greatest source, but it's very concise and covers the major relevant points.

AI Overview
Sergei Kirov was created a martyr by Soviet propaganda following his assassination in 1934, a role Joseph Stalin used as a pretext for launching the Great Purge
. While the Soviet regime portrayed Kirov's death as a tragedy caused by internal enemies, historical evidence suggests that Stalin himself likely orchestrated the killing to eliminate a political rival and consolidate his power.
The official narrative

Assassination: On December 1, 1934, Kirov, the popular head of the Communist Party in Leningrad, was shot and killed by a disgruntled party member named Leonid Nikolayev.
Martyrdom: Immediately after the murder, the Soviet government moved to sanctify Kirov.
His funeral was a state event, and his ashes were interred in the Kremlin Wall.
The city of Kirov and numerous other institutions and streets were named in his honor.
Official propaganda celebrated him as a hero of the working class who was killed by counter-revolutionary forces.

The political exploitation
Stalin used Kirov's engineered martyr status to justify a massive wave of repression.

Purge justification: Stalin claimed that Nikolayev was part of a larger conspiracy involving political opponents, including former Bolshevik leaders Grigory Zinoviev and Lev Kamenev.
Show trials: The ensuing trials led to the execution of Nikolayev and alleged accomplices. It also set the stage for the infamous Moscow Trials and the subsequent Great Purge, during which hundreds of thousands of people were executed or sent to forced-labor camps.
Elimination of rivals: The manufactured conspiracy provided Stalin with the perfect excuse to eliminate any remaining opposition within the party and further cement his own dictatorial power.

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Long-term impact
The Kirov assassination and the political theater that followed had a profound and lasting impact on Soviet history.

It served as the "catalyst" for the Great Purge, ushering in a brutal period of mass repression.
The event fundamentally transformed the Soviet political landscape, giving Stalin uncontested power and solidifying his totalitarian control.


I put "sergei kirov martyr" into the Google search engine.

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CK's death and aftermath bears a striking resemblence to that of Sergei Kirov in the 1930s Soviet Union. (Original Post) Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 OP
George Lincoln Rockwell is more apt. valleyrogue Sep 2025 #1
Kick dalton99a Sep 2025 #2
Trump killed Charlie. Turbineguy Sep 2025 #3
I don't necessarily think that Trump or his minions were behind it, though it's impossible to know for sure. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #5
Absolutely, that's why the overkill. Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #6
I wanted to add that it's almost certain that Trump knows nothing about this history, but Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #4
I mentioned Sergei Kirov in a couple of earlier threads Kaleva Sep 2025 #7
IIRC Stalin had Kirov killed because he became too popular and got more votes in a secret ballot for party secretary. pecosbob Sep 2025 #8
This is true, and is included in the AI piece that I posted from. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #9

valleyrogue

(2,519 posts)
1. George Lincoln Rockwell is more apt.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:42 PM
Sep 2025

Like Rockwell, Kirk will be forgotten in short order.

People move on, including white male supremacists.

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
5. I don't necessarily think that Trump or his minions were behind it, though it's impossible to know for sure.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:54 PM
Sep 2025

They were certainly ready and waiting to exploit it to the maximum possible level. That is beyond a doubt.

Blue Full Moon

(3,109 posts)
6. Absolutely, that's why the overkill.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 06:30 PM
Sep 2025

That Erica Kirk, tRump, and Maybelline Queen's Spectacular Spectacular. Trump when asked how he was dealing with Kirk's death. Those are the trucks for my ballroom. Loomer said that he was a traitor to MAGA. Fuentes called him an enemy. Put a target on him. Trump triggers his base.
Desperately trying to turn him into Horst Wessel or Sergei Kirov.

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
4. I wanted to add that it's almost certain that Trump knows nothing about this history, but
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 05:48 PM
Sep 2025

his good buddy and sometime mentor, Vladimir Putin, is certainly familiar with it.

pecosbob

(8,297 posts)
8. IIRC Stalin had Kirov killed because he became too popular and got more votes in a secret ballot for party secretary.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 08:28 PM
Sep 2025

The 1934 Party Congress...out of nineteen hundred party delegates present for the vote, over a thousand were dead within a year. I've got it in an old documentary somewhere...think it was called Russia's War...Blood on the Snow. Great documentary, if a bit dated.

So...tangentially relevant, but draw your own parallels.

Crunchy Frog

(28,208 posts)
9. This is true, and is included in the AI piece that I posted from.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 10:43 PM
Sep 2025

I skipped over it because it wasn't really relevant to my point. Though it's certainly not impossible that Trump had him killed. I wouldn't put anything past him and his cronies. Still, the part that I'm mainly interested in is how the regime is using this death; turning him into a martyr and a saint, having an enormous state memorial for him, and using his death as a justification to crush Trump's perceived political enemies.

It's a fascinating subject, and it's been decades since I learned about it in a college class on Soviet history. The parallels just felt really eerie.

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