"Motive Still Unclear After 4 Killed, 8 Wounded in Michigan Church Attack" : CNN "breaking news" now

[senseandsensibility]

How long will they play dumb? Any guesses? I wonder why all these other outlets that I see posted on DU are able to find pictures of the suspect's Trump sign on his property and "make liberals cry" t-shirt? It's a mystery alright.
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[Klarkashton]

1. It didn't take them very long to draw conclusions

About the bullets at the Kirk event.

[mcar]

2. Until Kash has time to engrave "I hate Jesus" on some bullets

[gab13by13]

9. I don't know,

do Mormons believe in Jesus?

At one time a lot of Christan sects had battles with Mormons, they do seem to have made peace however.

[mcar]

22. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Kinda think they believe in Jesus.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. They believe in Jesus

They just added some wrinkles to his story such as he visited America after his Resurrection and you can be saved after you die.

[Ocelot II]

32. And their concept of the Trinity would be considered heretical

by a lot of mainstream Christians. They believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct beings, and that the Father and Jesus have perfected, glorified, physical bodies, while the Holy Ghost is a spirit without a physical body. This is contrary to the Nicene Creed, which avoids claims of polytheism by decreeing that the Trinity is a single entity with three aspects. They also believe that there are other gods and goddesses, such as a Heavenly Mother—who is married to God the Father—and that they can attain "godhood" in the afterlife. Joseph Smith taught that God was once a man on another planet before being exalted to Godhood.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. When Romney was running for president I poked fun at their undergarments.

In retrospect a lot of religions wear special garments. They just wear them over their clothes .

[LittleGirl]

34. Thank you for sharing that

I've always wondered about the beliefs and you explained it very well. Thank you.

[Evolve Dammit]

38. Thank you. I have no idea about most religion(s) except the good things about how we should live. nt

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

3. Story will fade away

[regnaD kciN]

4. What story...?

I seem to recall something happening yesterday, but damned if I can remember what it was.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

7. Remember when mass murder victims pictures were posted in big newspaper spreads?

And the story was prominent for weeks?

[Frasier Balzov]

15. All I can remember is suppression of corpse photos.

Out of respect for the families.

And to prevent anti-gun sentiment from rising up and the guns being taken away.

[onenote]

5. Assuming he was a Trump supporter, as seems to be the case, what was his motive for attacking a Mormon church?

Mormons supported Trump by around a 2 to 1 margin in 2024.

If I had to speculate, I might assume that this attack was motivated by something personal, not political.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Many RW evangelicals regard Mormonism as a non-Christian abomination.

I've been seeing some things about him believing that the Mormon church was the Antichrist.

[AZJonnie]

11. Because Tyler Robertson grew up in a Mormon family, perhaps?

That was my first thought when I heard the story. RWNJ pissed at the Mormon's because of CK (or that event at least was the tipping point for long-held animosity)

I'm not yet disabused of that notion, though it could be totally off.

Not bashing LDS generally but they do do shady stuff as an organization, such as baptizing dead people (from what I've read)

EDIT: fixed name in title, thanks!

[maxsolomon]

19. Robin's Son.

not Richard's.

[Kaleva]

20. That is my thought too.

[senseandsensibility]

18. I assume there will be more info released once they gain access to his phone

which I guess they haven't yet, or even his own social media. It seems the photos that show support for trump come from his mom's facebook. Still, the fact that he is a trump supporter has been documented and CNN is completely quiet about it.

[Crunchy Frog]

6. While they "knew" the Charlie Kirk murder motive before anyone was even caught.

And they seemed to know the motive for this. Until actual information started to emerge.

[comradebillyboy]

8. Why would a MAGA Trumper shoot up a church

full of Trump voters. Although in all fairness I must note that Mormons tend to be much more civil and courteous that the run of the mill MAGAt.

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Many RW Xtians don't regard Mormonism as Christian.

It's a big mistake to think that RWers and Trump supporters are a monolith. In fact, there are so many divisions that, if the country consisted of only them, there would soon be a hot civil war.

[comradebillyboy]

16. As nothing about the tenets of Mormonism align

with the Nicene Creed they are clearly heretics. The Nicene Creed pretty much has been the measure of what it means to be a Christian since the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire back in the fourth century.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. It means that there was a potential motive. Nothing justifies that kind of hate and violence though.

[comradebillyboy]

23. Religious fanatics are rarely reasonable. The quest for

orthodoxy rarely has a happy ending.

[Wednesdays]

39. Side note: fully Protestant denominations (Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.)

aren't into the Nicene Creed too much.

[Bev54]

36. He is Maga, perhaps he cannot determine the difference between a church and a mosque or synagogue

[gab13by13]

12. I am pretty sure about this,

we aren't going to hear jack shit about this from law enforcement or the MSM.

[senseandsensibility]

37. Yup

Not even MSNBC seems willing to go there.

[TheRickles]

13. Maybe he blamed the Mormons for raising the man charged with Charlie Kirk's murder.

[standingtall]

25. That was be my guess.

Why he targeted them as opposed to more liberal Churches.Yes I'm aware that Kirk's shooter was raised by right wing parents. I would speculate despite being on obvious extreme maga as evident by his facebook page and the Trump yard signs and Trump gear he probably knew some liberals. I don't think mormonism is as big in Michigan as it in is in Utah. Probably didn't know any which made it easier for him desensitize himself to commit such an awful act of violence.

[Sneederbunk]

21. What kind of MAGA operation was this?

[mn9driver]

26. The motive seems pretty clear to me.

Hate.

He hated Mormons. He hated liberals. He really hated liberal Mormons, and he believed that a liberal Mormon killed Charlie Kirk, which was apparently equivalent to killing Jesus, so…..there you go.

[Ocelot II]

28. "Liberal Mormon"? That's an oxymoron if there ever was one.

The political spectrum of Mormons tends to range from conservative to extremely right-wing. I guess a liberal Mormon would be one who isn't an extreme right-winger. Maybe Mitt Romney? I guess he'd qualify because he doesn't like Trump.

[mn9driver]

29. True.

But to a person who drove around town with very large US flags and the occasional F
Joe Biden flag flapping in his truck bed, I think “liberal” didn’t mean to him what it means to you and me.

As a bonus, the Kirk shooter-rightly or wrongly- has been dragged into LGBTQ issues, which was probably enough to drive Mr. Flag Guy right off the edge of sanity.

[Ocelot II]

30. Could be. Or there could be some other, completely weird reason

best known to and understood by only him. He lived in Utah for a while and had a girlfriend from a Mormon family (which happens if you live in Utah). Maybe that set him off. We may never know.

[harumph]

40. when you put it like that...it all makes sense.

[Ocelot II]

27. He hated Mormons. The only "motive" we don't know is why he hated Mormons.

[senseandsensibility]

31. And that he wasn't "left"

That's an important fact that has been established, but is being ignored for some reason. Oh wait, I think I know the reason.

[IronLionZion]

35. We have to wait for some nonsense to be engraved on the bullets

then we'll have proof of leftism. If we know anything at all about liberals, it's that liberals like to engrave words onto bullets.

[Deep State Witch]

41. Dude Hated Mormons

Claimed they "weren't Christian." Well, buddy, the few Mormons that I know are more Christian than someone who shoots up a church.