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spanone

(142,059 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:06 PM Sep 2025

Vance calls Democrat's shutdown fight 'preposterous'. Last year, he embraced the idea

The vice president, as he appeared with Republican congressional leaders at the White House on Monday, said it was “not reasonable” for Democrats to use their proposals “as leverage and to shut down the government unless we give you everything you want.” He called that “preposterous” and “totally unacceptable.”

But last year, when Vance was a senator and Congress was similarly staring down a potential government shutdown, albeit over different sticking points, he embraced the idea of some Republicans using the threat of a shutdown to negotiate.

“Why shouldn’t we be trying to force this government shutdown fight to get something out of it that’s good for the American people?” Vance said in a September 2024 podcast interview. “Why have a government if it’s not a functioning government?”

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-9-29-2025#00000199-9761-d753-a19b-9ff1bc120000 (scroll down)

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Vance calls Democrat's shutdown fight 'preposterous'. Last year, he embraced the idea (Original Post) spanone Sep 2025 OP
It's NOT Democrats' shutdown fight. The republicans own the government. If republicans Scrivener7 Sep 2025 #1
The framing needs to be: you want something from us, then give us something we want newdeal2 Sep 2025 #2
And it also needs to be, "If you guys are in such a mess, and can't get your own people Scrivener7 Sep 2025 #3

Scrivener7

(60,071 posts)
1. It's NOT Democrats' shutdown fight. The republicans own the government. If republicans
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:30 PM
Sep 2025

were not in disarray, they would have the votes to keep the government open. So it's republicans voting to shut the government.

Of course, if the republicans need votes from Democrats to keep the government open, if they can't convince their own party members to vote to do so, then they obviously need to make concessions to those Democrats.

But it isn't the Democrats shutting the government. It's the disarray among the republicans that is responsible for the shutdown.

newdeal2

(5,607 posts)
2. The framing needs to be: you want something from us, then give us something we want
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:41 PM
Sep 2025

I think anyone can understand the fairness in that message.

Scrivener7

(60,071 posts)
3. And it also needs to be, "If you guys are in such a mess, and can't get your own people
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:48 PM
Sep 2025

to vote your way, we may be convinced to bail you out, but we will demand things in return."

We had the perfect messaging opportunity in this, and we blew it. Meeting with Cankles? What the hell for?
Sit back and make them come to you.

But they didn't. Again, they didn't.

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