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moonshinegnomie

(4,073 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 09:34 AM Sep 2025

war crimes and abusing recruits are now ok in the military

Hegseth: We're empowering drill sergeants to instill healthy fear in new recruits ensuring future war fighters are forged. Yes, they can shark attack and toss bunks, swear and yes they can put their hands on recruits


Hegseth: We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement, untie hands of war fighters… No more politically correct rules of engagement


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war crimes and abusing recruits are now ok in the military (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Sep 2025 OP
Rules of Engagement are there to protect US soldiers. haele Sep 2025 #1
Excellent point Redleg Sep 2025 #8
Are other countries still sending military to train here? TommyT139 Sep 2025 #2
"YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!" genxlib Sep 2025 #3
What is this "war fighters" crap? Reader Rabbit Sep 2025 #4
They Rebl2 Sep 2025 #5
More war crimes for the peace president Renew Deal Sep 2025 #6
The DIs didn't refrain from using their hands (fists) when I was in boot camp. Ping Tung Sep 2025 #7
Tough times Redleg Sep 2025 #9
We had a mile run every morning just before dawn. Some guy from another platoon passed out while running. Ping Tung Sep 2025 #12
I remember thinking that the first week. "What am I doing here?" Redleg Oct 2025 #13
Then, they covered up a crime... lame54 Sep 2025 #11
No more Geneva Convention... lame54 Sep 2025 #10

haele

(15,597 posts)
1. Rules of Engagement are there to protect US soldiers.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 09:41 AM
Sep 2025

Basically, he's saying it's okay to engage in genocide - no mercy. Which means there is no constraint for "the enemy" to show any mercy to any of ours who are unlucky enough not to be slaughtered if caught.
Our soldiers can be expected to be treated like Blackwater mercenaries in Fallujah because of his drunken adolescent attitude.
But then again, this administration believes the "war fighter" is a sucker or loser if captured or injured in "battle".

Redleg

(7,026 posts)
8. Excellent point
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:24 PM
Sep 2025

Hegseth sounds just like one of these MAGA fuck-nuts who never served but who thinks the military is full of p*ssies and we need to remove all restraints in order for them to win. Same bullshit talks about the new NFL rules to improve player safety. These "manly men" think they know what is best.

Reader Rabbit

(2,761 posts)
4. What is this "war fighters" crap?
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 10:40 AM
Sep 2025

He's always spouting that phrase. He sounds like a little kid playing with toy soldiers: "These are my WAR FIGHTERS!"

Rebl2

(17,932 posts)
5. They
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 10:55 AM
Sep 2025

already have trouble recruiting people. What has been said in the speech certainly isn’t going to help recruitment.

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
7. The DIs didn't refrain from using their hands (fists) when I was in boot camp.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 11:10 AM
Sep 2025

They overstepped when they beat up one guy with rifle butts and became "gone" after the investigation for brutality. as our DIs,

MCRD San Diego 1961as our DIs,


Redleg

(7,026 posts)
9. Tough times
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:31 PM
Sep 2025

Our drill sergeants at Ft. Knox in 1985 were mean and abusive, but they didn't hit any of us. They did cause pain and misery in the way they punished us with "remedial" physical training when we pissed them off. I remember one recruit passing out from having to vigorously run in place and then drop to his back to do sit-ups and then get back up to run in place and then drop again to do pushups over and over again for a good ten minutes. He finally keeled over and the drill sergeants dragged him into their office and shut the door. When the recruit emerged 20 minutes later his eyes had the look of a dead fish's eyes.

The drill sergeants certainly had creative ways to physically punish us and while I can chuckle at it now, at the time it was pretty intense.

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
12. We had a mile run every morning just before dawn. Some guy from another platoon passed out while running.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 04:00 PM
Sep 2025

Our DI joined their DI in kicking him. They go no response from him. It turned out he'd had a heart attack.
They took him away on a stretcher and we never knew if he lived or not.

Yeah. They were creative in PT punishment. I got called into their hut once for some trifling sin like failing to say "Sir" loud enough. They didn't hit me that time but had me "assume the Chinese sitting position". I had to put my back against the wall and slide down until it was knee level and hold my self up against the wall with my thighs. Within 3 minutes I was pouring sweat from the pain. They had a good laugh and set me loose.

At some point, early in boot, I realized that I had made the greatest mistake of my life when I signed up and muttered the oath.

Redleg

(7,026 posts)
13. I remember thinking that the first week. "What am I doing here?"
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 07:54 AM
Oct 2025

By the time basic training was finished, I felt like a new and better person and I actually appreciated the work the drill sergeants did.

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