Got a gut feeling about something

[gay texan]

*this is just me speculating*

Recruitment numbers are going to go into the toilet because of Hegseth's and Trump's spectacle today.

I have a feeling the drunk dumbass will try to bring back the draft under the guise of "America's men need to man up" or some other right wing christian bullshit.

I will admit that i don't know who makes the descision to reinstate the draft, it's just a gut feeling. I've worked with someone whose personality is EXACTLY like Hegseth and they love having that sort of power.

Thoughts?

[OLDMDDEM]

1. I told my grandson to expect a draft notice. Your input doesn't surprise me.

[BonnieJW]

35. All young men have to register for the draft on

becoming 18. But the draft is not currently in effect

[OLDMDDEM]

40. I believe that will change.

[haele]

2. A draft will destroy Christian Nationalist vision of the Military

Unless all you draft are "White" men 18 - 35....

[SeattleVet]

14. Easy enough to weed out what they consider 'undesireables' at the induction centers.

The inductees have to show up for a physical/phych evaluation before getting sworn in, and they can come up with whatever BS excuse they can think of to eliminate all those 'woke BLM tranny leftists' that are the wrong shade.

[usonian]

68. The final question, in 1971.

At the end, someone asked "Do you like girls?"

Straight guy, I said yes.

[BWdem4life]

87. They were more circumspect with me

"Do you have a girlfriend?"

"No."

"Do you have a boyfriend?"

"Are you trying to find out if I'm gay? The answer is no."

[Vinca]

3. I hadn't thought of that, but it's a possibility. At least the women, gays, trans and people of color will be

safe from being drafted into Trump/Hegseth's white Christian, male army.

[Ocelot II]

4. He clearly doesn't want women or non-White people, which will cut the numbers significantly.

About 30%+ in the military now identify as racial minorities. If minorities and women now feel they have no hope of promotion (or even respect), will current members leave when they can? Will new people enlist?

[doc03]

5. From what i read about project 2025, there is plan to form a Hitler like youth and bring

back the draft.

[BidenRocks]

74. Hitler Youth?

Turning Point USA

[popsdenver]

76. Cheney and Rummy

wanted to do that during Desert Storm, they were super short on actual ground troops.......So Cheney gave all the non-combat work to Halliburton which made he and Halliburton Stock Holders an absolute fortune......

I distinctly remember when Rumsfeld stood there, before the war, and told Americans that it would last three days, the people in IRAQ would line the streets throwing flowers as our military had celebration of the victory, marching through all their cities.......AND THE BEST STATEMENT HE MADE WAS: THE WAR WILL ONLY COST THREE BILLION, WHICH IRAQ WILL REPAY US FROM THE SALES OF THEIR OIL......

Last I heard we are still fighting in IRAQ, and the true cost has gone sailing by Two Trillion Dollars, and still counting, mostly due to all the continued care of all the disabled and maimed soldiers that fought during Desert Storm.....and military arms expended during the war and needing replenished......

[Irish_Dem]

6. Mandatory service for all young white males?

[Attilatheblond]

38. Groundwork already laid and process expedited.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/project-2025-military-entrance-exam/]

Project 2025, a conservative coalition's plan for a future U.S. Republican presidency, proposes that all public high school students should be required to take the military entrance exam.

...

We have rated the claim true, because Project 2025's document, "Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise," stated the project wants to: "Improve military recruiters' access to secondary schools and require completion of the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB)—the military entrance examination—by all students in schools that receive federal funding."

[Irish_Dem]

39. Yes this is where I think they are going.

[Amaryllis]

42. Federal funding for schools may be a thing of the past.

[markodochartaigh]

71. Maybe,

but a lot of federal funding may go to subsidize students from wealthy families in private schools and for parents who homeschool to spend however they wish.

[llmart]

44. What happens if young men deliberately fail the test?

Do they get immediately thrown in jail?

[Attilatheblond]

46. Nah, just listed 4-CF

For Cannon Fodder.

[llmart]

47. I certainly wouldn't mind at all as long as all the MAGAts go first.

[popsdenver]

77. Didn't happen during Viet Nam's draft

just look no further than our COMMANDER IN CHIEF................

[llmart]

86. That's because Daddy could buy him freedom and a bone spur diagnosis.

What I meant by my comment of "will they get thrown in jail" is that with him in charge that would be what he would do.

[oberle]

72. I had to take that test

when I was in high school. It turned out my aptitude in 1964 was as a parachute folder. Thanks for bringing back a bizarre memory.

[popsdenver]

78. LOL

That does indeed bring back memories.........

First, was the fact that the recruiters, if you enlisted, would promise you anything to meet their outrageous quotas.

A friend of mine, was an electronics geek and since he was 12 had built all kinds of heath kit electronic items, etc. Also, a real radio nut, with his ham license, etc etc etc. A guy who would have been awesome at repairing anything electronic, ground troop radios, air craft electronics, the list is endless.....a perfect fit............

They assigned him to being a cook...............

And, we must not forget, in the fall of 67, when all they were interested in was 250,000 ADDITIONAL warm bodies, in preparation for the Rumored Tet Offensive. The truth was revealed much later about the infamous "McNAMARA MORONS"............and how he lowered the IQ requirements, decreased the training times, and GAVE no consideration to any kind of aptitude..............
Worst of all, he told the recruiters to work hardest on Blacks, because they were the easiest pickings.........I seem to recall that the whites represented a much greater number of Soldiers and Sailors overall, but 10?% of whites were casualties, and up to 20?% of Blacks were casualties.........

More info on *McNamara's Morons* on google.......bet most people here never even knew about this Charlie Foxtrot by him and LBJ.

[TommyT139]

83. Also mentioned: the right to vote.

I know it's been a favorite talking point by the magat podcasters, although I'd have to check if Kegsbreath was one. I'm pretty sure he was.

It also may be in Project 2025, but my past study focused on other chapters.

[Silent Type]

7. Hope he calls for Draft a month before midterms.

[EarthAbides]

8. No jobs

When the economy collapses young men will have no where to go but the military.

[MrWowWow]

36. or prison

-Prisons will become organ harvesting farms for the wealthy. Probably already are. All the politeness will vanish.

[Ilsa]

9. Trump claimed they are ahead of goals in recruitment.

I'm thinking it's the same number-cruncher that tells Krasnov that grocery and gas prices are falling, everyone is making $1M a year, there are no more trans people in the US, and he has stopped crime.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Enlistments tend to increase when the economy tanks...

It's maybe not quite in "tank" mode yet, but it's not very good.

[Ilsa]

25. I wondered about that, too. If jobs disappear,

and the military isn't in wartime, I bet OCS and boot camps surge.

[pcdb]

64. Recruitment is up and continues to rise

But the increase began before Trump was reelected.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-military-recruitment-trump-hegseth-91700f0b688c3460458e467da95c8268

[Kingofalldems]

89. Yeah that is from April.

[ananda]

10. Draft?

???

[LoisB]

17. Conscription into the military.

[ananda]

20. No, I was asking if you think there will be a draft?

???

[LoisB]

22. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I do think the draft will be reinstated.

[ananda]

23. OK, in that case, who will be targeted for the draft?

Whites only... or not?

[Irish_Dem]

28. How about mandatory military service for white males only?

I think Trump might do this.

[Wednesdays]

48. Yes, and POC in the cities will become their targets. nt

[Irish_Dem]

53. Yes the combat training is going to be in the cities. :(

[ananda]

50. Starting after high school? 2 years?

Since white males are now a small minority
in this country... and if the military is white
male only... I see a bit of a problem there.

I presume all POC will be slaves, all white
women gestation machines or slaves,
and some white men as owners and overlords.

But I do not see the country as being able to
be even close to properly defended or able
to compete economically with the rest of the
world.

Amirite?

[Irish_Dem]

56. This appears to be the goal. Degrade the US military.

Who benefits and how?

Our enemies.

US military was the greatest fighting force in the world.
It is being destroyed every day by Trump.

I think Trump is going to pull troops out of Europe and Asia.
Put them in US cities.

Russia and China will be thrilled.

[ananda]

57. Thanks. I can never remember to think...

as cynically as you do.

I think I need to practice.

[Irish_Dem]

60. It is not really cynicism.

It is doing a psych profile on Trump and looking at his past and present behavior.
These variables can be used to predict future behavior.

He is a psychopath who works for Putin.
And he has been systematically destroying the US government.
Everything which made America great.

Degrading the US military is also part of the plan.
Firing women and minorities.
Firing high level brass.
Humiliating the generals and admirals.

Today was just a continuation of these past behaviors.

[LoisB]

58. I think whites only - but only poor ones. They will be the only ones without doctors

to get them out of it. They might have a separate "Negro" Corps to do KP. (Only partial sarcasm.)

[ananda]

59. Not far off I think. "The Negroes" could also..

be drivers, equipment carriers,you know,
overall lackeys.

[Irish_Dem]

81. Maybe a separate woman's corp.

Secretaries and nurses.

[ananda]

84. And you know what, like Ike's "secretary."

...

[Irish_Dem]

85. Like the Japanese did to women in WWII: Comfort Girls.

Girls and women in occupied countries forced into
sexual slavery for Japanese troops during WWII.

[Rebl2]

26. First ones

to be drafted should be republicans children including trumps 18 yo son.

[Irish_Dem]

29. The rich pay Trump for an exemption.

[erronis]

31. Bone spurs are inherited.

[Attilatheblond]

41. and seen to be a symptom of 'Affluenza' sorta like the tendency to rape unconscious girls/coeds.

[ananda]

52. In a just world... so LOL.

But I agree.

[wiggs]

11. The draft would be another point of control...parents knocking on the doors of gop officials and the WH, begging

to let their kids off the hook. Offering tips of gratitude or political donations.

And on the other side of the coin, perceived WH enemies have their loved ones drafted especially hard.

[Coventina]

12. Gut Feeling

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[enough]

13. Maybe their stance will actually cause an uptick in recruitment.

Plenty of young men would respond to the all macho all the time atmosphere.

[sinkingfeeling]

30. Yeah, but ICE offers a $50K sign-up bonus and it's the same brutal, toxic macho crap.

[Attilatheblond]

45. And now: $60K in student debt relief!

Paid for by tariff funds coming in from US consumers seems a good guess on funding these enticements.

[Skittles]

16. military standards from an alcoholic rapist talk show host

pimping for a draft dodging rapist seditionist "president"

cannot make this shit up

[UTUSN]

18. Yip, he just reversed the W.Shrub/CHEENEE thank-you-for-your-service thingy.

My insignificantly personal impressions/conclusions from sporatic rehashing over these 50 years.

* The protest movement was majorly if not entirely fueled by opposition to the Draft.

* Hostility to the military became emblematic of being anti-war.

* Adding the corruption of the war, recruitment declined with depreciation of "service."

* The main lesson the NeoCons learned from Vietnam was to go all-vounteer, no Draft.

* To go all-volunteer the first step was to rehabilitate the image of Service & treatment of veterans,
hence, the campaign of thank-you-for-your-service.

* It's apparent that voluneer numbers weren't enough, hence the replacement of the one-year-tour in Vietnam by multiple years' tours in Iraq/Afghanistan.

************** KRASNOV has been insulting and depreciating military service his entire time, not to mention turning it, along with all other government employment, into his own personal Mob property. So, back to the war crimes and the demolishing of another fundamental pillar of non-personal cult loyalty.

[Ping Tung]

19. Trump would prefer hiriing paid mercenaries loyal only to him.

[lastlib]

24. But not paying them.... n/t

[erronis]

34. Yeah. I was thinking they should get their sign-up check cashed before being enlisted.

Won't happen and most desperate 18yo's won't have the balls to demand it.

[flashman13]

21. My gut tells me that is not what is coming.

[gay texan]

32. Like i said, speculation on my part n/t

[flashman13]

80. Gut instinct is a survival mechanism. It is not necessarily pointless whimsy.

You and I are not the only ones here on DU are sensing that something is about to go down..

[lindalou65]

27. The draft could be reinstated IMO

I said the same thing you wrote here to my husband earlier today. I would think there's going to be a great pushback.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

33. Nope

They won’t introduce a draft. They will just lower the standards to select the unqualified, White criminals that be willing to do whatever they ask.

[Amaryllis]

37. Occurred to me also but becasue we don't have enough military to fight all the wars they want to take on.

[Justice Brandeis]

43. A non-zero chance of it, but I suspect still not likely

nt

[surfered]

49. The Pentagon reports that more than 40% of active duty military members identify as a minority.

If Hegseth and Trump only want, white straight men, they’re going to have a much smaller force.

[1WorldHope]

51. The military learned from the Vietnam experience

that the draft did not work out very well.
It used to be also that immigrants and native Americans were very enthusiastic about serving. I would imagine the last few months may have soured that thought process.
This clown show needs to hit the road with a one way GPS.
I can't imagine what those people were thinking sitting there. It almost stroked me out sitting through the whole spectacle.

[carpetbagger]

54. The economy will be in the toilet soon enough.

Then enlistment won't look so bad to the ones on the fence who are drawn away by poor job prospects in the civilian sector.

[DaBronx]

55. Damn that's scary

That’s why they are giving license to beat people
In the military.
This is really bad.

[twodogsbarking]

61. I don't have my draft card any more.I forget what number I had.

[Paladin]

63. Easy enough to find your old draft number, online.

I've had to refresh my memory a couple of times, over the years.

[mgardener]

62. That was my thought too

Sending troops into US cities was a planned and deliberate strategy.
At first it was for immigration control.
Now it's for crime.
Will suppression be next?

And I think Trump will incite a skirmish somewhere to justify a draft.
Count on it.

[a kennedy]

65. Silly me, never even thought of this......I'm sure they're gonna need the draft to help replace all the women

they’re getting rid of. Gawd damn I so TOTALLY DESPISE THIS WHOLE GAWD DAMN ADMINISTRATION. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[Puppyjive]

66. They wouldn't take my son

Evidently he was born with a slight hearing impairment. The AF rejected him. I am a veteran and I am so glad that he is not a part of this bullshit. I'm a female combat veteran. I served no purpose according to Hegseth. This is not America. I am ready for them to take out this administration. I will gladly return to duty. I feel that strong about it.

[Figarosmom]

67. First they will ask ( force) all those J6 folk

To join. Then the militias and other groups. Then they might start drafting. They will also use that as a way to jail liberals for rejecting their service.

[ToxMarz]

69. That will likely lead to a resurgence of bone spurs in the nation.

I'm sure though Oz and RFk Jr will have misinformation and a treatment they can profit from.

[live love laugh]

70. I foresee lots of "friendly fire" if there's a draft.

[usaf-vet]

73. Ex- military in fact 4 generations of family members serving.

They do not want the draft. They know it will fill the streets with mother, fathers, brother, sisters, granny and gramps and every living family members and citizen who can look at the black wall with 58,000 name on it. The majority of those 58K were draftees.

The military and the government knows a new draft will fill the fill the streets with protestors
Carry signs saying NOT WITH MY LOVED ONE!

They have got away with all wars since then by claiming it's AN ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY.

That is the opinion of a now 78 year old veteran who was subject to the Vietnam draft.

[orangecrush]

75. He's also legalizing abusing service members

That'll bring enlistment numbers right up.

Not.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

79. If loyalty to the GOP and Project 25 becomes a condition of enlistment....

.....that might be easier to implement using the draft vs volunteer. Republicans are so corrupt, I can envision them tailoring conditions of enlistment that would eliminate any young recruit not being at least partially psychopathic and definitely selfish, cruel and xenophobic.

I shudder to think of the possible brainwashing recruits might be subject to, so maybe they are seeing the military services as future "Republican Voter Universities'.

Not sure they would give a shit about the race of recruits so long as they were deemed "brain-washable".

After all, Republicans must have a plentiful supply of squishy white boys at home to be business school graduates and GOP politicians.



KY........

[TommyT139]

82. It's currently a requirement for advancement

...past some ranks -- and that threshold will be lowered as they get rid of the patriots.

[róisín_dubh]

88. I'll be hosting my nephew...

On a several years’ long foreign trip then I reckon.
There’s no way on gods green earth I’m letting that boy get forced into any of this bullshit.
Any democratic administration can pardon him for draft dodging…