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They're laying the groundwork for martial law to shut down democracy. No election, no dissent. (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 OP
I think F45 wanted the govt shut down because he has no intention of re-opening the govt. But without a in2herbs Oct 2025 #1
"W/o a govt he has no authority to declare martial law..." Wednesdays Oct 2025 #4
Without a govt he thinks he IS the govt. Justice matters. Oct 2025 #6
Until the SCOTUS declares that when government is shut down, the president has ultimate authority to do whatever he want quakerboy Oct 2025 #9
Overreacting? I don't think so. In just 9 short months, look where we are in his scheme of things Deuxcents Oct 2025 #2
They won't get what they appear to want, imo, elleng Oct 2025 #3
You're not overreacting. GoodRaisin Oct 2025 #5
Economic and employment numbers Figarosmom Oct 2025 #7
I don't think you were told you were overreacting edhopper Oct 2025 #8
There's no path to do what you're suggesting EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #10
ALL of us think this is very important, whether or not anyone is overreacting. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #11
Trimmed URL without the source tracking info: Celerity Oct 2025 #12
Thanks, that's why sometimes I just don't do the link here Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #13
an easy rule to follow is just remove the '?' and all after it Celerity Oct 2025 #15
God I wish people would stop reading only the first part of sentences Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #14
I'm voting. These headlines HELP their narrative. Fuck them. They wouldn't gerrymander if they could just shut us down themaguffin Oct 2025 #16

in2herbs

(4,531 posts)
1. I think F45 wanted the govt shut down because he has no intention of re-opening the govt. But without a
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:40 AM
Oct 2025

govt there's nothing for him to govern. So what happens then? We will be 350 million people without a country. W/o a govt he has no authority to declare martial law or collect tax money.

Another idea the Rs didn't think through well enough.

We need to keep the govt shut down until the middle class gets health ins. etc.

quakerboy

(14,907 posts)
9. Until the SCOTUS declares that when government is shut down, the president has ultimate authority to do whatever he want
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:00 AM
Oct 2025

Deuxcents

(27,703 posts)
2. Overreacting? I don't think so. In just 9 short months, look where we are in his scheme of things
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:41 AM
Oct 2025

elleng

(141,926 posts)
3. They won't get what they appear to want, imo,
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:47 AM
Oct 2025

Last edited Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:54 AM - Edit history (1)

judging from reaction of the Generals yesterday.

GoodRaisin

(11,057 posts)
5. You're not overreacting.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:05 AM
Oct 2025

Not too long ago anyone who predicted what we are seeing now would have been scoffed at as overreacting. Now hindsight IS 20-20 and the snowball just keeps getting bigger.

Figarosmom

(13,390 posts)
7. Economic and employment numbers
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:37 AM
Oct 2025

Won't come out or be calculated during shutdown. Those numbers scare him.

edhopper

(37,521 posts)
8. I don't think you were told you were overreacting
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:59 AM
Oct 2025

You were challenged when you said we know without doubt that the elections will be stopped.
We think he may try, but that is far from your 100% certainty.

EdmondDantes_

(2,079 posts)
10. There's no path to do what you're suggesting
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:36 AM
Oct 2025

People pointed that out and it's still true. States run elections and his term will end no later than noon on January 20, 2029, presuming he doesn't succumb to his unhealthy habits before then.

Like the national Constitution prescribes certain things about elections, state constitutions mandate the elections be held. And the constitution has limits on when terms end. So if there's no election, those terms still end.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,296 posts)
13. Thanks, that's why sometimes I just don't do the link here
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:09 AM
Oct 2025

Because I don’t wanna include all that and I haven’t looked for the pure link, but I will try to in the future thanks.

Celerity

(54,878 posts)
15. an easy rule to follow is just remove the '?' and all after it
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:22 AM
Oct 2025
https://dailyboulder.com/trump-tells-pete-hegseth-to-use-democratic-cities-as-military-training-grounds-for-war/

remove this:

?fbclid=IwZnRzaANK3mxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHg1mhe7Qwtc60BuHxQ4AFQvZopxZLyz1OYerCdd5NgArJy97-BMvtjdn2JHA_aem_x4uScG9bPsl8_X9IUHq46w

Eliot Rosewater

(34,296 posts)
14. God I wish people would stop reading only the first part of sentences
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:11 AM
Oct 2025

That I post on this board, like when I started a thread about not having elections and then I went on to explain in detail how they could still have them but interfere with them and make them anything but democratic and fair. But if you read some people’s comments you would think I never added the rest of that to that sentence, dammit.

themaguffin

(5,416 posts)
16. I'm voting. These headlines HELP their narrative. Fuck them. They wouldn't gerrymander if they could just shut us down
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:28 AM
Oct 2025

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