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(821 posts)Hes very intelligent and I dont have any major issues with his voting record. I just feel that a lot of the leaders in the party are not understanding the moment and being more innovative.
OLDMDDEM
(2,986 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,052 posts)I believe. She likely knew what he was like.
Perhaps she misjudged him?
She seemed to know how to get things done.
Wounded Bear
(63,707 posts)and no, Jeffries is not ineffective.
AStern
(638 posts)Jefferies has done nothing to push back and seems passive rather than aggressive.
Hekate
(100,130 posts)Response to Hekate (Reply #17)
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Hekate
(100,130 posts)AStern
(638 posts)nt
Torchlight
(6,252 posts)Good luck!
Cha
(316,249 posts)Response to Post removed (Reply #19)
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sheshe2
(95,363 posts)Cha
(316,249 posts)CrispyQ
(40,562 posts)Democrat candidate sounds ignorant. And on this board, you will be called out on it.
betsuni
(28,612 posts)If you're talking about leadership, party/caucus members vote, no primaries.
BeyondGeography
(40,775 posts)AStern
(638 posts)It is correct.
bigtree
(93,297 posts)...certainly not 'Democrat primary'
Google Democrat primary and get back to us with the results.
Do you want results only for democrat primary?
BeyondGeography
(40,775 posts)In the sentence, Democrat refers to the person who would challenge Jeffries in a primary. That would be a member of the Democratic Party, aka a Democrat.
bigtree
(93,297 posts)...it's just not.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,476 posts)It is NOT referring to a "Democrat Primary". As was explained to you, it is referring to an individual politician who would run in a primary against him. A member of the Democratic Party IS a Democrat.
thought crime
(1,107 posts)padfun
(1,886 posts)It's used like that.
Hekate
(100,130 posts)
Democrat this and Democrat that, and it took a number of years, but finally the news media picked it up permanently, and then some Democrats themselves. He also started saying Democrat and liberal with a tone of contempt, until finally I realized he had turned it into a dirty word (like for instance using someones religion as a dirty word, and you know what I mean) .
Lest we think this was in any way inadvertent or harmless, remember that he was the one who wrote Language as a Key Mechanism of Control for GOPAC.
I remember the moon landing too.
SocialDemocrat61
(6,601 posts)the job of the House and Senate minority leaders. It is simply to run those caucuses. That's it. We are not a Parliamentary system where the head of the minority caucus is the leader of the party or the opposition.
betsuni
(28,612 posts)or not having the right personality.
Must be upsetting to put all one's eggs in the DEMS CAVE basket so one can huff and puff that they're never ever never this time I'm serious giving money to those awful Dems again and hint at a personal DEMEXIT and then it doesn't happen.
Cha
(316,249 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)
about what's going on in the House than those who are NOT.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20695666
betsuni
(28,612 posts)Bettie
(19,204 posts)now, he seems to be afraid of his shadow, like Schumer.
So, ineffective, but he could choose to be more effective.
I think the biggest problem is that a lot of elected Democrats spend too much time trying to be polite and "nice". They are stuck in an older social contract, where both sides would work together to get things done. It is not that way anymore, Republicans do not compromise nor do they cooperate.
leftstreet
(38,677 posts)John Coktosten
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Ping Tung
(4,106 posts)Thomas Paine
Karadeniz
(24,716 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,180 posts)Im feeling diplomatic today.
bucolic_frolic
(53,653 posts)Show us a minority leader who is effective.
Hekate
(100,130 posts)...
betsuni
(28,612 posts)Celerity
(53,409 posts)They said:
It would be incorrect to say:
it would be nice to have another Democratic primary and then replace him.
Same for the sentence:
I am a Democrat.
It is not:
I am a Democratic.
CrispyQ
(40,562 posts)Democrat Party, democrat candidate, are all incorrect.
OTOH, language is a living thing & evolves, so eventually dictionaries might accept democrat as an adjective, simply because people use it that way. There was a time when the word despicable had the accent on the first syllable, but after Daffy Duck it's now more accepted to put the accent on the second syllable. That's a matter of pronunciation, though, not usage, so who knows about the word democrat. However, I'll never use democrat as an adjective, even if it becomes acceptable.
If you like the history of language, there's a wonderful book if you can find it, called "There is no Zoo in Zoology" by Charles Harrington Elster.
Celerity
(53,409 posts)what the confusion is.
They said:
meaning another Democrat (Democrat used as a noun) would 'primary and then replace' him
MadLinguist
(897 posts)It would be nice [s to [vp have [s [np another Democrat] [vp primary and then replace [him]]]]]
S=sentence
VP= verb phrase
NP = noun phrase
You can more easily discern that "another Democrat" is the noun subject of the verb "primary " in this sentence:
Another way to see that "Democrat" in the OP is a noun functioning as the subject of the verb "primary" is to pluralize it in this version of the sentence:
You can also know that "primary" is being used as a verb (and therefore "Democrat" is the noun subject) is to notice the conjoined verb phrase "primary and replace him". The direct object of both verbs is "him" and the subject is "Democrat"
What would it have been nice to have?
Another Democrat to primary him
Another Democrat to replace him
Patton French
(1,813 posts)NT

lapucelle
(20,931 posts)sheshe2
(95,363 posts)Patton French
(1,813 posts)QueerDuck
(825 posts)Patton French
(1,813 posts)NT
fujiyamasan
(1,074 posts)But I am having second thoughts as to whether he should be the minority leader, or if Dems win the house, Speaker.
poli-junkie
(1,477 posts)He speaks with an affected unnatural cadence like hes reciting a poem all the time. Its kinda annoying.
QueerDuck
(825 posts)but I think that there may be some influences there from MLK.
SSJVegeta
(2,206 posts)Blues Heron
(8,181 posts)That would be
QueerDuck
(825 posts)But I wonder... WHY does he need to be primaried to be replaced? If he's so "ineffective" as you claim, then wouldn't those who voted for him to be the Minority Leader simply choose someone else?
Cha
(316,249 posts)I'm betting AOC knows More about what's going on in the House of Representatives than those who aren't..
Hekate
(100,130 posts)Or are your minds totally made up? We are not a parliamentary form of govt, and our system is what it is. Even so, theres this info that AOC Herself Herself says that the Republicans are getting walloped by Jeffries and Schumer.
Cha
(316,249 posts)lots of K & R... We need to get the Word out as you know!
betsuni
(28,612 posts)W_HAMILTON
(9,977 posts)Both parties are the same, so let's continually fuck over the one of them that most closely aligns with us!
"After Hitler, our turn!" -- quote from Ernst Thälmann, leader of the Communist Party of Germany that was arrested by the Gestspo, put in solitary confinement for over a decade, and then shot dead on Hitler's orders.
W_HAMILTON
(9,977 posts)...that Jeffries is not.
PS - If Jeffries were to lose his primary, his district loses the highest ranking Democrat in the House. The primary winner will basically be at the bottom of the totem pole. Do you think that benefits his district?
QueerDuck
(825 posts)is absurd. It's performative. It's virtue signaling to try and shame our best and experienced and loyal Democrats for not behaving like TV pundits or comedians. That's not "leadership"... It's not what men like Jeffries are elected to do.
Joinfortmill
(19,799 posts)Cha
(316,249 posts)and Sees our Leaders UP Close..
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607
Bread and Circuses
(1,467 posts)doc03
(38,754 posts)Chuckie and Fetterman. But there are some that would be better than Jeffries.
Quiet Em
(2,509 posts)Jeffries is respected and supported by the Democratic House Caucus.
JustAnotherGen
(37,456 posts)JustAnotherGen
(37,456 posts)They can duke it out for Speaker of The House.
mvd
(65,819 posts)These Repukes are not normal and we have to adjust.
stonecutter357
(12,963 posts)stonecutter357
(12,963 posts)Ars Longa
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But, he is not the leader of the Dems we need at this moment
He's seems to be an an Old Guard, Old School, Ultra-Cautious,
Dem Politician, quite reluctant and ill-equiped( like Schumer),
to come to grips with a Fascist/Mafioso onslaught of our
Democracy.I would much, much rather see Swallwell or AOC...
(In the Senate, Murphy or Kelly)
republianmushroom
(22,122 posts)LudwigPastorius
(13,994 posts)This, after holding the job for the previous two years.
The House Democrats obviously don't think that he is ineffective. If they change their minds, they'll have a chance to vote for someone else in a little over a year.
Greybnk48
(10,654 posts)We are at a heavy disadvantage and he's doing as good as anyone would do under these constraints.
My two cents: He should, however, bump his rhetoric down to a 4th grade level and he would likely be more effective when he is allowed to speak. He's too sophisticated.
lostincalifornia
(4,850 posts)IcyPeas
(24,722 posts)yorkster
(3,626 posts)but Democrat is correct in this case because primary is used as a verb. Author of the op believes there should be a Democratic primary in which a Democrat would primary Jeffries.
Again, I disagree with the premise re Jeffries abilities.