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I'd say ineffective JBTaurus83 Oct 3 #1
I agree. We need guts like Pelosi used in that position. OLDMDDEM Oct 3 #2
She annointed him her successor displacedvermoter Oct 3 #27
I agree Rebl2 Oct 3 #40
I'd say your use of "Democrat primary" is out of place on this board... Wounded Bear Oct 3 #3
Democrat as in have Jeffries primaried by another DEMOCRAT rather than a DEMOCRATIC candidate AStern Oct 3 #12
Don't quibble when caught bashing a Democratic office-holder. Stick to your guns. Hekate Oct 3 #17
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Regarding your OP, still false, but that's just my opinion Hekate Oct 3 #21
You're allowed to be wrong AStern Oct 3 #22
Sounds serious Torchlight Oct 4 #75
It's AOC's and My Opinion, too.. Mahalo! Cha Oct 3 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Oct 3 #29
"Too afraid to endorse a Democratic candidate from his district" sheshe2 Oct 3 #33
AOC who is in thte House Disagrees with you. Cha Oct 3 #63
Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective. CrispyQ Oct 4 #78
It's Democratic not Democrat and why is he an ineffective Representative for his district? betsuni Oct 3 #4
In that context "Democrat" is correct BeyondGeography Oct 3 #9
Thank you AStern Oct 3 #13
'Democratic primary' or 'Democrat party primary' bigtree Oct 3 #18
Seriously? BeyondGeography Oct 3 #23
it's not the proper usage in the political sense. bigtree Oct 3 #31
It is proper use. Go to the OP and read the whole sentence. FoxNewsSucks Oct 3 #57
They are using "primary" as a verb. thought crime Oct 3 #68
Are you a Democratic or a Republican? padfun Oct 4 #80
Were you around when Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House? He started the deliberately ungrammatical use of... Hekate Oct 3 #34
Yes BeyondGeography Oct 3 #38
I think people misunderstand SocialDemocrat61 Oct 3 #25
Yes, and reasons why leaders are supposedly ineffective are vague: not standing up to things or meeting the moment betsuni Oct 3 #35
Oh & Please see Post 43.. AOC evidently knows MORE Cha Oct 3 #44
Just saw that, thanks for posting it here. The job is keeping Democrats united, Jeffries and Schumer are effective! betsuni Oct 3 #45
Before he entered leadership he was effective Bettie Oct 3 #5
+1 They get very "90s" leftstreet Oct 3 #26
True John Coktosten Oct 3 #6
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Politics as usual. Ping Tung Oct 3 #8
Ineffective.. Karadeniz Oct 3 #10
Suboptimal BannonsLiver Oct 3 #11
He speaks for the party but the party doesn't have the votes. bucolic_frolic Oct 3 #14
False. And the word is "Democratic" Hekate Oct 3 #15
do tell bigtree Oct 3 #16
Seems to be about endorsements. Oh well, sometimes matchmaking is ineffective. betsuni Oct 3 #28
The OP used 'Democrat' correctly. Celerity Oct 4 #74
The dictionary says democrat is a noun not an adjective, so democrat primary would be incorrect. CrispyQ Oct 4 #81
You're misreading the OP's sentence. They correctly used Democrat as a noun. This is basic English syntax. I fail to see Celerity Oct 4 #82
Diagramming the OP sentence in agreement MadLinguist Oct 4 #83
Why is he "really bad at his job"? Please elaborate. Patton French Oct 3 #20
... sheshe2 Oct 3 #30
See post 7. lapucelle Oct 3 #66
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Oct 3 #67
Indeed... Patton French Oct 4 #73
It's clickbait... it's meant to divide and create friction and arguments. A drive-by. QueerDuck Oct 3 #42
Clearly Patton French Oct 4 #72
I'm not sure why he should necessarily be primaried fujiyamasan Oct 3 #24
Small quibble about Jeffries: poli-junkie Oct 3 #32
I think it's engaging. It makes me want to listen closely. He's not quite as animated or expressive as a preacher... QueerDuck Oct 3 #41
There is currently insufficient information to properly and completely answer that question. SSJVegeta Oct 3 #36
What a douchebag move Blues Heron Oct 3 #37
Oh goody! 🍿 This will be fun, as always. QueerDuck Oct 3 #39
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'" Cha Oct 3 #43
Mahalo, Cha. I was just about to post that. How about it, Dem bashers? Hekate Oct 3 #46
Mahalo to you, Hekate.. the AOC one Needs Cha Oct 3 #47
Uh oh, WORLDS COLLIDE! betsuni Oct 3 #48
AOC has turned! The Establishment(tm) got to her! W_HAMILTON Oct 3 #59
Tell us *specifically* what you think an """effective""" Minority Leader would be doing... W_HAMILTON Oct 3 #49
You are correct... and the fantasy rebellion and revolution, QueerDuck Oct 3 #64
Not sure, but he certainly APPEARS ineffective. Joinfortmill Oct 3 #51
Not according to AOC who is actually in the HOUSE Cha Oct 3 #70
Unfortunately , I am dissatisfied with the D leadership Bread and Circuses Oct 3 #52
Don't like to criticize Democats other than doc03 Oct 3 #53
False. Quiet Em Oct 3 #54
And the Black Caucus JustAnotherGen Oct 3 #56
No JustAnotherGen Oct 3 #55
Not really ineffective but maybe could do better mvd Oct 3 #58
Democratic !! stonecutter357 Oct 3 #60
lol True or False trump is a pig ? stonecutter357 Oct 3 #61
My Obsevation: He seems a good Rep for his district.. He's a good guy... Ars Longa Oct 3 #62
False republianmushroom Oct 3 #65
My thoughts are that Rep. Jeffries was unanimously reelected House Minority Leader in November, 2024 by his peers. LudwigPastorius Oct 3 #69
This is tiresome. Jeffries is as effective as the corporate owned MAGA lovin' media will allow him to be. Greybnk48 Oct 3 #71
Time to add to my ignore list for divisive posts lostincalifornia Oct 4 #76
Sometimes we need a tenacious bull dog. Like now. IcyPeas Oct 4 #77
Don't agree with the sentiment re Hakeem Jeffries, yorkster Oct 4 #79

JBTaurus83

(821 posts)
1. I'd say ineffective
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:45 PM
Oct 3

He’s very intelligent and I don’t have any major issues with his voting record. I just feel that a lot of the leaders in the party are not understanding the moment and being more innovative.

displacedvermoter

(4,052 posts)
27. She annointed him her successor
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:08 PM
Oct 3

I believe. She likely knew what he was like.
Perhaps she misjudged him?

Wounded Bear

(63,707 posts)
3. I'd say your use of "Democrat primary" is out of place on this board...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:49 PM
Oct 3

and no, Jeffries is not ineffective.

AStern

(638 posts)
12. Democrat as in have Jeffries primaried by another DEMOCRAT rather than a DEMOCRATIC candidate
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 3

Jefferies has done nothing to push back and seems passive rather than aggressive.

Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Cha

(316,249 posts)
50. It's AOC's and My Opinion, too.. Mahalo!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:45 PM
Oct 3
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

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Cha

(316,249 posts)
63. AOC who is in thte House Disagrees with you.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:56 PM
Oct 3
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

CrispyQ

(40,562 posts)
78. Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:20 AM
Oct 4

Democrat candidate sounds ignorant. And on this board, you will be called out on it.

betsuni

(28,612 posts)
4. It's Democratic not Democrat and why is he an ineffective Representative for his district?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:51 PM
Oct 3

If you're talking about leadership, party/caucus members vote, no primaries.

bigtree

(93,297 posts)
18. 'Democratic primary' or 'Democrat party primary'
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:32 PM
Oct 3

...certainly not 'Democrat primary'

Google Democrat primary and get back to us with the results.

Including results for democratic primary.
Do you want results only for democrat primary?

BeyondGeography

(40,775 posts)
23. Seriously?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:44 PM
Oct 3

In the sentence, “Democrat” refers to the person who would challenge Jeffries in a primary. That would be a member of the Democratic Party, aka a Democrat.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,476 posts)
57. It is proper use. Go to the OP and read the whole sentence.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 3

It is NOT referring to a "Democrat Primary". As was explained to you, it is referring to an individual politician who would run in a primary against him. A member of the Democratic Party IS a Democrat.

Hekate

(100,130 posts)
34. Were you around when Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House? He started the deliberately ungrammatical use of...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:28 PM
Oct 3

…Democrat this and Democrat that, and it took a number of years, but finally the news media picked it up permanently, and then some Democrats themselves. He also started saying “Democrat” and “liberal” with a tone of contempt, until finally I realized he had turned it into a dirty word (like for instance using someone’s religion as a dirty word, and you know what I mean) .

Lest we think this was in any way inadvertent or harmless, remember that he was the one who wrote “Language as a Key Mechanism of Control” for GOPAC.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,601 posts)
25. I think people misunderstand
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:03 PM
Oct 3

the job of the House and Senate minority leaders. It is simply to run those caucuses. That's it. We are not a Parliamentary system where the head of the minority caucus is the leader of the party or the opposition.

betsuni

(28,612 posts)
35. Yes, and reasons why leaders are supposedly ineffective are vague: not standing up to things or meeting the moment
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:28 PM
Oct 3

or not having the right personality.

Must be upsetting to put all one's eggs in the DEMS CAVE basket so one can huff and puff that they're never ever never this time I'm serious giving money to those awful Dems again and hint at a personal DEMEXIT and then it doesn't happen.

Cha

(316,249 posts)
44. Oh & Please see Post 43.. AOC evidently knows MORE
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:03 PM
Oct 3

Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)

about what's going on in the House than those who are NOT.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20695666

betsuni

(28,612 posts)
45. Just saw that, thanks for posting it here. The job is keeping Democrats united, Jeffries and Schumer are effective!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:13 PM
Oct 3

Bettie

(19,204 posts)
5. Before he entered leadership he was effective
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:52 PM
Oct 3

now, he seems to be afraid of his shadow, like Schumer.

So, ineffective, but he could choose to be more effective.

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of elected Democrats spend too much time trying to be polite and "nice". They are stuck in an older social contract, where both sides would work together to get things done. It is not that way anymore, Republicans do not compromise nor do they cooperate.

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bucolic_frolic

(53,653 posts)
14. He speaks for the party but the party doesn't have the votes.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:25 PM
Oct 3

Show us a minority leader who is effective.

Celerity

(53,409 posts)
74. The OP used 'Democrat' correctly.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:49 AM
Oct 4

They said:

it would be nice to have another Democrat primary and then replace him


It would be incorrect to say:

it would be nice to have another Democratic primary and then replace him.

Same for the sentence:

I am a Democrat.

It is not:

I am a Democratic.

CrispyQ

(40,562 posts)
81. The dictionary says democrat is a noun not an adjective, so democrat primary would be incorrect.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:39 AM
Oct 4

Democrat Party, democrat candidate, are all incorrect.

OTOH, language is a living thing & evolves, so eventually dictionaries might accept democrat as an adjective, simply because people use it that way. There was a time when the word despicable had the accent on the first syllable, but after Daffy Duck it's now more accepted to put the accent on the second syllable. That's a matter of pronunciation, though, not usage, so who knows about the word democrat. However, I'll never use democrat as an adjective, even if it becomes acceptable.

If you like the history of language, there's a wonderful book if you can find it, called "There is no Zoo in Zoology" by Charles Harrington Elster.

Celerity

(53,409 posts)
82. You're misreading the OP's sentence. They correctly used Democrat as a noun. This is basic English syntax. I fail to see
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 09:19 AM
Oct 4

what the confusion is.

They said:

it would be nice to have another Democrat primary and then replace him.


meaning another Democrat (Democrat used as a noun) would 'primary and then replace' him

MadLinguist

(897 posts)
83. Diagramming the OP sentence in agreement
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 09:27 AM
Oct 4

It would be nice [s to [vp have [s [np another Democrat] [vp primary and then replace [him]]]]]

S=sentence
VP= verb phrase
NP = noun phrase

You can more easily discern that "another Democrat" is the noun subject of the verb "primary " in this sentence:

It would have been nice had another Democrat primaried and then replaced him


Another way to see that "Democrat" in the OP is a noun functioning as the subject of the verb "primary" is to pluralize it in this version of the sentence:

It would be nice to have a slate of Democrats to primary and then replace him


You can also know that "primary" is being used as a verb (and therefore "Democrat" is the noun subject) is to notice the conjoined verb phrase "primary and replace him". The direct object of both verbs is "him" and the subject is "Democrat"

What would it have been nice to have?
Another Democrat to primary him
Another Democrat to replace him

fujiyamasan

(1,074 posts)
24. I'm not sure why he should necessarily be primaried
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:50 PM
Oct 3

But I am having second thoughts as to whether he should be the minority leader, or if Dems win the house, Speaker.

poli-junkie

(1,477 posts)
32. Small quibble about Jeffries:
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:23 PM
Oct 3

He speaks with an affected unnatural cadence — like he’s reciting a poem all the time. It’s kinda annoying.

QueerDuck

(825 posts)
41. I think it's engaging. It makes me want to listen closely. He's not quite as animated or expressive as a preacher...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:43 PM
Oct 3

but I think that there may be some influences there from MLK.

QueerDuck

(825 posts)
39. Oh goody! 🍿 This will be fun, as always.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:40 PM
Oct 3

But I wonder... WHY does he need to be primaried to be replaced? If he's so "ineffective" as you claim, then wouldn't those who voted for him to be the Minority Leader simply choose someone else?

Cha

(316,249 posts)
43. "AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 3
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

I'm betting AOC knows More about what's going on in the House of Representatives than those who aren't..

Hekate

(100,130 posts)
46. Mahalo, Cha. I was just about to post that. How about it, Dem bashers?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:14 PM
Oct 3

Or are your minds totally made up? We are not a parliamentary form of govt, and our system is what it is. Even so, there’s this info that AOC Herself Herself says that the “Republicans are getting walloped by Jeffries and Schumer. “

Cha

(316,249 posts)
47. Mahalo to you, Hekate.. the AOC one Needs
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:27 PM
Oct 3

lots of K & R... We need to get the Word out as you know!

W_HAMILTON

(9,977 posts)
59. AOC has turned! The Establishment(tm) got to her!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:35 PM
Oct 3

Both parties are the same, so let's continually fuck over the one of them that most closely aligns with us!

"After Hitler, our turn!" -- quote from Ernst Thälmann, leader of the Communist Party of Germany that was arrested by the Gestspo, put in solitary confinement for over a decade, and then shot dead on Hitler's orders.

W_HAMILTON

(9,977 posts)
49. Tell us *specifically* what you think an """effective""" Minority Leader would be doing...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:42 PM
Oct 3

...that Jeffries is not.

PS - If Jeffries were to lose his primary, his district loses the highest ranking Democrat in the House. The primary winner will basically be at the bottom of the totem pole. Do you think that benefits his district?

QueerDuck

(825 posts)
64. You are correct... and the fantasy rebellion and revolution,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:34 PM
Oct 3

is absurd. It's performative. It's virtue signaling to try and shame our best and experienced and loyal Democrats for not behaving like TV pundits or comedians. That's not "leadership"... It's not what men like Jeffries are elected to do.

Cha

(316,249 posts)
70. Not according to AOC who is actually in the HOUSE
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:13 PM
Oct 3

and Sees our Leaders UP Close..

"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

doc03

(38,754 posts)
53. Don't like to criticize Democats other than
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:59 PM
Oct 3

Chuckie and Fetterman. But there are some that would be better than Jeffries.

mvd

(65,819 posts)
58. Not really ineffective but maybe could do better
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:22 PM
Oct 3

These Repukes are not normal and we have to adjust.

Ars Longa

(390 posts)
62. My Obsevation: He seems a good Rep for his district.. He's a good guy...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:48 PM
Oct 3

Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)

But, he is not the leader of the Dems we need at this moment
He's seems to be an an Old Guard, Old School, Ultra-Cautious,
Dem Politician, quite reluctant and ill-equiped( like Schumer),
to come to grips with a Fascist/Mafioso onslaught of our
Democracy.I would much, much rather see Swallwell or AOC...
(In the Senate, Murphy or Kelly)



LudwigPastorius

(13,994 posts)
69. My thoughts are that Rep. Jeffries was unanimously reelected House Minority Leader in November, 2024 by his peers.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:04 PM
Oct 3

This, after holding the job for the previous two years.

The House Democrats obviously don't think that he is ineffective. If they change their minds, they'll have a chance to vote for someone else in a little over a year.

Greybnk48

(10,654 posts)
71. This is tiresome. Jeffries is as effective as the corporate owned MAGA lovin' media will allow him to be.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:23 PM
Oct 3

We are at a heavy disadvantage and he's doing as good as anyone would do under these constraints.

My two cents: He should, however, bump his rhetoric down to a 4th grade level and he would likely be more effective when he is allowed to speak. He's too sophisticated.

yorkster

(3,626 posts)
79. Don't agree with the sentiment re Hakeem Jeffries,
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:21 AM
Oct 4

but Democrat is correct in this case because primary is used as a verb. Author of the op believes there should be a Democratic primary in which a Democrat would primary Jeffries.
Again, I disagree with the premise re Jeffries abilities.

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