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I'd say ineffective JBTaurus83 Oct 2025 #1
I agree. We need guts like Pelosi used in that position. OLDMDDEM Oct 2025 #2
She annointed him her successor displacedvermoter Oct 2025 #27
I agree Rebl2 Oct 2025 #40
I'd say your use of "Democrat primary" is out of place on this board... Wounded Bear Oct 2025 #3
Democrat as in have Jeffries primaried by another DEMOCRAT rather than a DEMOCRATIC candidate AStern Oct 2025 #12
Don't quibble when caught bashing a Democratic office-holder. Stick to your guns. Hekate Oct 2025 #17
Post removed Post removed Oct 2025 #19
Regarding your OP, still false, but that's just my opinion Hekate Oct 2025 #21
You're allowed to be wrong AStern Oct 2025 #22
Sounds serious Torchlight Oct 2025 #75
It's AOC's and My Opinion, too.. Mahalo! Cha Oct 2025 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #29
"Too afraid to endorse a Democratic candidate from his district" sheshe2 Oct 2025 #33
AOC who is in thte House Disagrees with you. Cha Oct 2025 #63
Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective. CrispyQ Oct 2025 #78
It's Democratic not Democrat and why is he an ineffective Representative for his district? betsuni Oct 2025 #4
In that context "Democrat" is correct BeyondGeography Oct 2025 #9
Thank you AStern Oct 2025 #13
'Democratic primary' or 'Democrat party primary' bigtree Oct 2025 #18
Seriously? BeyondGeography Oct 2025 #23
it's not the proper usage in the political sense. bigtree Oct 2025 #31
It is proper use. Go to the OP and read the whole sentence. FoxNewsSucks Oct 2025 #57
They are using "primary" as a verb. thought crime Oct 2025 #68
Are you a Democratic or a Republican? padfun Oct 2025 #80
Were you around when Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House? He started the deliberately ungrammatical use of... Hekate Oct 2025 #34
Yes BeyondGeography Oct 2025 #38
I think people misunderstand SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2025 #25
Yes, and reasons why leaders are supposedly ineffective are vague: not standing up to things or meeting the moment betsuni Oct 2025 #35
Oh & Please see Post 43.. AOC evidently knows MORE Cha Oct 2025 #44
Just saw that, thanks for posting it here. The job is keeping Democrats united, Jeffries and Schumer are effective! betsuni Oct 2025 #45
Before he entered leadership he was effective Bettie Oct 2025 #5
+1 They get very "90s" leftstreet Oct 2025 #26
True John Coktosten Oct 2025 #6
Post removed Post removed Oct 2025 #7
Politics as usual. Ping Tung Oct 2025 #8
Ineffective.. Karadeniz Oct 2025 #10
Suboptimal BannonsLiver Oct 2025 #11
He speaks for the party but the party doesn't have the votes. bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #14
False. And the word is "Democratic" Hekate Oct 2025 #15
do tell bigtree Oct 2025 #16
Seems to be about endorsements. Oh well, sometimes matchmaking is ineffective. betsuni Oct 2025 #28
The OP used 'Democrat' correctly. Celerity Oct 2025 #74
The dictionary says democrat is a noun not an adjective, so democrat primary would be incorrect. CrispyQ Oct 2025 #81
You're misreading the OP's sentence. They correctly used Democrat as a noun. This is basic English syntax. I fail to see Celerity Oct 2025 #82
Diagramming the OP sentence in agreement MadLinguist Oct 2025 #83
Why is he "really bad at his job"? Please elaborate. Patton French Oct 2025 #20
... sheshe2 Oct 2025 #30
See post 7. lapucelle Oct 2025 #66
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Oct 2025 #67
Indeed... Patton French Oct 2025 #73
It's clickbait... it's meant to divide and create friction and arguments. A drive-by. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #42
Clearly Patton French Oct 2025 #72
I'm not sure why he should necessarily be primaried fujiyamasan Oct 2025 #24
Small quibble about Jeffries: poli-junkie Oct 2025 #32
I think it's engaging. It makes me want to listen closely. He's not quite as animated or expressive as a preacher... QueerDuck Oct 2025 #41
There is currently insufficient information to properly and completely answer that question. SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #36
What a douchebag move Blues Heron Oct 2025 #37
Oh goody! 🍿 This will be fun, as always. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #39
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'" Cha Oct 2025 #43
Mahalo, Cha. I was just about to post that. How about it, Dem bashers? Hekate Oct 2025 #46
Mahalo to you, Hekate.. the AOC one Needs Cha Oct 2025 #47
Uh oh, WORLDS COLLIDE! betsuni Oct 2025 #48
AOC has turned! The Establishment(tm) got to her! W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #59
Tell us *specifically* what you think an """effective""" Minority Leader would be doing... W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #49
You are correct... and the fantasy rebellion and revolution, QueerDuck Oct 2025 #64
Not sure, but he certainly APPEARS ineffective. Joinfortmill Oct 2025 #51
Not according to AOC who is actually in the HOUSE Cha Oct 2025 #70
Unfortunately , I am dissatisfied with the D leadership Bread and Circuses Oct 2025 #52
Don't like to criticize Democats other than doc03 Oct 2025 #53
False. Quiet Em Oct 2025 #54
And the Black Caucus JustAnotherGen Oct 2025 #56
No JustAnotherGen Oct 2025 #55
Not really ineffective but maybe could do better mvd Oct 2025 #58
Democratic !! stonecutter357 Oct 2025 #60
lol True or False trump is a pig ? stonecutter357 Oct 2025 #61
My Obsevation: He seems a good Rep for his district.. He's a good guy... Ars Longa Oct 2025 #62
False republianmushroom Oct 2025 #65
My thoughts are that Rep. Jeffries was unanimously reelected House Minority Leader in November, 2024 by his peers. LudwigPastorius Oct 2025 #69
This is tiresome. Jeffries is as effective as the corporate owned MAGA lovin' media will allow him to be. Greybnk48 Oct 2025 #71
Time to add to my ignore list for divisive posts lostincalifornia Oct 2025 #76
Sometimes we need a tenacious bull dog. Like now. IcyPeas Oct 2025 #77
Don't agree with the sentiment re Hakeem Jeffries, yorkster Oct 2025 #79

JBTaurus83

(1,083 posts)
1. I'd say ineffective
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:45 PM
Oct 2025

He’s very intelligent and I don’t have any major issues with his voting record. I just feel that a lot of the leaders in the party are not understanding the moment and being more innovative.

displacedvermoter

(4,186 posts)
27. She annointed him her successor
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:08 PM
Oct 2025

I believe. She likely knew what he was like.
Perhaps she misjudged him?

Wounded Bear

(64,127 posts)
3. I'd say your use of "Democrat primary" is out of place on this board...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:49 PM
Oct 2025

and no, Jeffries is not ineffective.

AStern

(802 posts)
12. Democrat as in have Jeffries primaried by another DEMOCRAT rather than a DEMOCRATIC candidate
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 2025

Jefferies has done nothing to push back and seems passive rather than aggressive.

Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Cha

(318,276 posts)
50. It's AOC's and My Opinion, too.. Mahalo!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:45 PM
Oct 2025
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

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Cha

(318,276 posts)
63. AOC who is in thte House Disagrees with you.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:56 PM
Oct 2025
"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

CrispyQ

(40,874 posts)
78. Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:20 AM
Oct 2025

Democrat candidate sounds ignorant. And on this board, you will be called out on it.

betsuni

(28,969 posts)
4. It's Democratic not Democrat and why is he an ineffective Representative for his district?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:51 PM
Oct 2025

If you're talking about leadership, party/caucus members vote, no primaries.

bigtree

(93,954 posts)
18. 'Democratic primary' or 'Democrat party primary'
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:32 PM
Oct 2025

...certainly not 'Democrat primary'

Google Democrat primary and get back to us with the results.

Including results for democratic primary.
Do you want results only for democrat primary?

BeyondGeography

(40,997 posts)
23. Seriously?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:44 PM
Oct 2025

In the sentence, “Democrat” refers to the person who would challenge Jeffries in a primary. That would be a member of the Democratic Party, aka a Democrat.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,646 posts)
57. It is proper use. Go to the OP and read the whole sentence.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 2025

It is NOT referring to a "Democrat Primary". As was explained to you, it is referring to an individual politician who would run in a primary against him. A member of the Democratic Party IS a Democrat.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
34. Were you around when Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House? He started the deliberately ungrammatical use of...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:28 PM
Oct 2025

…Democrat this and Democrat that, and it took a number of years, but finally the news media picked it up permanently, and then some Democrats themselves. He also started saying “Democrat” and “liberal” with a tone of contempt, until finally I realized he had turned it into a dirty word (like for instance using someone’s religion as a dirty word, and you know what I mean) .

Lest we think this was in any way inadvertent or harmless, remember that he was the one who wrote “Language as a Key Mechanism of Control” for GOPAC.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,435 posts)
25. I think people misunderstand
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:03 PM
Oct 2025

the job of the House and Senate minority leaders. It is simply to run those caucuses. That's it. We are not a Parliamentary system where the head of the minority caucus is the leader of the party or the opposition.

betsuni

(28,969 posts)
35. Yes, and reasons why leaders are supposedly ineffective are vague: not standing up to things or meeting the moment
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:28 PM
Oct 2025

or not having the right personality.

Must be upsetting to put all one's eggs in the DEMS CAVE basket so one can huff and puff that they're never ever never this time I'm serious giving money to those awful Dems again and hint at a personal DEMEXIT and then it doesn't happen.

Cha

(318,276 posts)
44. Oh & Please see Post 43.. AOC evidently knows MORE
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:03 PM
Oct 2025

Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)

about what's going on in the House than those who are NOT.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20695666

betsuni

(28,969 posts)
45. Just saw that, thanks for posting it here. The job is keeping Democrats united, Jeffries and Schumer are effective!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:13 PM
Oct 2025

Bettie

(19,550 posts)
5. Before he entered leadership he was effective
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:52 PM
Oct 2025

now, he seems to be afraid of his shadow, like Schumer.

So, ineffective, but he could choose to be more effective.

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of elected Democrats spend too much time trying to be polite and "nice". They are stuck in an older social contract, where both sides would work together to get things done. It is not that way anymore, Republicans do not compromise nor do they cooperate.

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bucolic_frolic

(54,791 posts)
14. He speaks for the party but the party doesn't have the votes.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:25 PM
Oct 2025

Show us a minority leader who is effective.

Celerity

(54,084 posts)
74. The OP used 'Democrat' correctly.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:49 AM
Oct 2025

They said:

it would be nice to have another Democrat primary and then replace him


It would be incorrect to say:

it would be nice to have another Democratic primary and then replace him.

Same for the sentence:

I am a Democrat.

It is not:

I am a Democratic.

CrispyQ

(40,874 posts)
81. The dictionary says democrat is a noun not an adjective, so democrat primary would be incorrect.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:39 AM
Oct 2025

Democrat Party, democrat candidate, are all incorrect.

OTOH, language is a living thing & evolves, so eventually dictionaries might accept democrat as an adjective, simply because people use it that way. There was a time when the word despicable had the accent on the first syllable, but after Daffy Duck it's now more accepted to put the accent on the second syllable. That's a matter of pronunciation, though, not usage, so who knows about the word democrat. However, I'll never use democrat as an adjective, even if it becomes acceptable.

If you like the history of language, there's a wonderful book if you can find it, called "There is no Zoo in Zoology" by Charles Harrington Elster.

Celerity

(54,084 posts)
82. You're misreading the OP's sentence. They correctly used Democrat as a noun. This is basic English syntax. I fail to see
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 09:19 AM
Oct 2025

what the confusion is.

They said:

it would be nice to have another Democrat primary and then replace him.


meaning another Democrat (Democrat used as a noun) would 'primary and then replace' him

MadLinguist

(904 posts)
83. Diagramming the OP sentence in agreement
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 09:27 AM
Oct 2025

It would be nice [s to [vp have [s [np another Democrat] [vp primary and then replace [him]]]]]

S=sentence
VP= verb phrase
NP = noun phrase

You can more easily discern that "another Democrat" is the noun subject of the verb "primary " in this sentence:

It would have been nice had another Democrat primaried and then replaced him


Another way to see that "Democrat" in the OP is a noun functioning as the subject of the verb "primary" is to pluralize it in this version of the sentence:

It would be nice to have a slate of Democrats to primary and then replace him


You can also know that "primary" is being used as a verb (and therefore "Democrat" is the noun subject) is to notice the conjoined verb phrase "primary and replace him". The direct object of both verbs is "him" and the subject is "Democrat"

What would it have been nice to have?
Another Democrat to primary him
Another Democrat to replace him

fujiyamasan

(1,512 posts)
24. I'm not sure why he should necessarily be primaried
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:50 PM
Oct 2025

But I am having second thoughts as to whether he should be the minority leader, or if Dems win the house, Speaker.

poli-junkie

(1,549 posts)
32. Small quibble about Jeffries:
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:23 PM
Oct 2025

He speaks with an affected unnatural cadence — like he’s reciting a poem all the time. It’s kinda annoying.

QueerDuck

(1,448 posts)
41. I think it's engaging. It makes me want to listen closely. He's not quite as animated or expressive as a preacher...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:43 PM
Oct 2025

but I think that there may be some influences there from MLK.

QueerDuck

(1,448 posts)
39. Oh goody! 🍿 This will be fun, as always.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:40 PM
Oct 2025

But I wonder... WHY does he need to be primaried to be replaced? If he's so "ineffective" as you claim, then wouldn't those who voted for him to be the Minority Leader simply choose someone else?

Cha

(318,276 posts)
43. "AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 2025
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

I'm betting AOC knows More about what's going on in the House of Representatives than those who aren't..

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
46. Mahalo, Cha. I was just about to post that. How about it, Dem bashers?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:14 PM
Oct 2025

Or are your minds totally made up? We are not a parliamentary form of govt, and our system is what it is. Even so, there’s this info that AOC Herself Herself says that the “Republicans are getting walloped by Jeffries and Schumer. “

Cha

(318,276 posts)
47. Mahalo to you, Hekate.. the AOC one Needs
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:27 PM
Oct 2025

lots of K & R... We need to get the Word out as you know!

W_HAMILTON

(10,293 posts)
59. AOC has turned! The Establishment(tm) got to her!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:35 PM
Oct 2025

Both parties are the same, so let's continually fuck over the one of them that most closely aligns with us!

"After Hitler, our turn!" -- quote from Ernst Thälmann, leader of the Communist Party of Germany that was arrested by the Gestspo, put in solitary confinement for over a decade, and then shot dead on Hitler's orders.

W_HAMILTON

(10,293 posts)
49. Tell us *specifically* what you think an """effective""" Minority Leader would be doing...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:42 PM
Oct 2025

...that Jeffries is not.

PS - If Jeffries were to lose his primary, his district loses the highest ranking Democrat in the House. The primary winner will basically be at the bottom of the totem pole. Do you think that benefits his district?

QueerDuck

(1,448 posts)
64. You are correct... and the fantasy rebellion and revolution,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:34 PM
Oct 2025

is absurd. It's performative. It's virtue signaling to try and shame our best and experienced and loyal Democrats for not behaving like TV pundits or comedians. That's not "leadership"... It's not what men like Jeffries are elected to do.

Cha

(318,276 posts)
70. Not according to AOC who is actually in the HOUSE
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:13 PM
Oct 2025

and Sees our Leaders UP Close..

"AOC: 'Republicans have been getting walloped by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer'"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220695607

doc03

(39,006 posts)
53. Don't like to criticize Democats other than
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:59 PM
Oct 2025

Chuckie and Fetterman. But there are some that would be better than Jeffries.

mvd

(65,892 posts)
58. Not really ineffective but maybe could do better
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:22 PM
Oct 2025

These Repukes are not normal and we have to adjust.

Ars Longa

(506 posts)
62. My Obsevation: He seems a good Rep for his district.. He's a good guy...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:48 PM
Oct 2025

Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)

But, he is not the leader of the Dems we need at this moment
He's seems to be an an Old Guard, Old School, Ultra-Cautious,
Dem Politician, quite reluctant and ill-equiped( like Schumer),
to come to grips with a Fascist/Mafioso onslaught of our
Democracy.I would much, much rather see Swallwell or AOC...
(In the Senate, Murphy or Kelly)



LudwigPastorius

(14,511 posts)
69. My thoughts are that Rep. Jeffries was unanimously reelected House Minority Leader in November, 2024 by his peers.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:04 PM
Oct 2025

This, after holding the job for the previous two years.

The House Democrats obviously don't think that he is ineffective. If they change their minds, they'll have a chance to vote for someone else in a little over a year.

Greybnk48

(10,708 posts)
71. This is tiresome. Jeffries is as effective as the corporate owned MAGA lovin' media will allow him to be.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:23 PM
Oct 2025

We are at a heavy disadvantage and he's doing as good as anyone would do under these constraints.

My two cents: He should, however, bump his rhetoric down to a 4th grade level and he would likely be more effective when he is allowed to speak. He's too sophisticated.

yorkster

(3,770 posts)
79. Don't agree with the sentiment re Hakeem Jeffries,
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:21 AM
Oct 2025

but Democrat is correct in this case because primary is used as a verb. Author of the op believes there should be a Democratic primary in which a Democrat would primary Jeffries.
Again, I disagree with the premise re Jeffries abilities.

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