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AOC: "I thought that fascist takeover attempts were going to be architected by evil geniuses... (Original Post) In It to Win It Oct 2025 OP
Those words deserve to end up on a plaque somewhere ... perhaps a monument to all the lives/careers ruined by Turnip. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2025 #1
The clincher being B.See Oct 2025 #2
she's right--it's not all about the smarts NJCher Oct 2025 #3
Americans lived with democracy for 250 years and still gave it up without a fight. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #5
It's only over NJCher Oct 2025 #6
Many of us have watched all institutions fold like lawn chairs. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #7
crx NJCher Oct 2025 #8
I never thought fascism would be so stooge like either SomedayKindaLove Oct 2025 #4

eppur_se_muova

(42,518 posts)
1. Those words deserve to end up on a plaque somewhere ... perhaps a monument to all the lives/careers ruined by Turnip. nt
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 01:52 AM
Oct 2025

B.See

(8,863 posts)
2. The clincher being
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 01:57 AM
Oct 2025

the unfathomable Idiocracy (IF not outright treachery) of those who ENABLED it.

NJCher

(43,528 posts)
3. she's right--it's not all about the smarts
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 02:31 AM
Oct 2025

There are so many other traits and characteristics that are necessary to maintain a democracy--not just IQ level. Lack of courage, I think, is the big one. What we've seen since January is that so many people and entities have buckled under without a fight. Law firms, corporations, and individuals. There is a lack of courage and an unwillingness to duke it out.

The personality traits and skills that enable courage are rare. They are confidence and public speaking ability, among others. Public speaking is the number one fear of Americans, so that tells you something right there.

In a way you'd have to say a certain degree of financial independence is a factor. You have to be able to say "take this job and shove it." This doesn't mean you have to be rich or well off. It could mean you have another wage-earner in the family who might support you while you land a new job.

OTOH, you'd have to be stupid to try a takeover. I've thought about what it would take and what stops me every single time is that Americans are trained to have freedom. They don't like it when their freedom is threatened and they will work against you. This means you would have to keep fighting back for at least a generation, and that's a high price to pay.

I used to work for a professor of Russian history and she told me the reason the Russians can never make a go of democracy is they've never sustained it long enough to mold a generation of people who know how to use it, to live it, to promote and protect it.

Irish_Dem

(82,336 posts)
7. Many of us have watched all institutions fold like lawn chairs.
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 03:23 PM
Oct 2025

Without a fight, just handed all power to Trump.

Facts are facts whether we like them or not.
That is my training.
Not wishful thinking.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,200 posts)
4. I never thought fascism would be so stooge like either
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 03:14 AM
Oct 2025

My worry is it is like The Grand Budapest Hotel. The Nazis stopping the train at the beginning of the movie were incompetent and inept. The Nazis stopping the same train several years later? Not so much.

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