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angrychair

(11,612 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 12:56 PM Oct 15

Greta Thunberg was Tortured (confirmed)

Last edited Fri Oct 17, 2025, 12:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Greta Thunberg and her associates were taken from a boats carrying food aid to Gaza in international waters.
While held prisoner, she was beaten, sexually assaulted (forced to strip naked multiple times in a public area, beaten and had photos taken of her while naked) deprived of water and food, left in a cage exposed to direct sunlight for days.

Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed.

– The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm.


And

She was driven on to the prison. Outside, she was forced to take off her clothes again, she says.


And for anyone that says it didn't happen, here is Ben-Gvir, Israel's minister of internal security saying this:
Ben-Gvir himself later told the media about his visit to the prison – and boasted about how harshly they were treated. He described it as a policy that he himself had ordered.

– I am proud that we treat flotilla activists as supporters of terrorism, he told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth. They should experience the conditions in Ketziot prison and think twice before returning to Israel. That’s how it works.


The international community stood by and willingly let Israel torture and sexually assault their citizens and failed to condemn it or in the case of the Swedish government, to blame the victims.

Source: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/25LgKq/greta-thunberg-they-kicked-me-every-time-the-flag-touched-my-face
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Greta Thunberg was Tortured (confirmed) (Original Post) angrychair Oct 15 OP
When is it too much? SWBTATTReg Oct 15 #1
It was almost too much when we still had a democracy, now it will never be too much. nt yaesu Oct 15 #5
It's also too much when your gov doesn't have your back womanofthehills Oct 16 #119
for Republiscum? Never. For decent people like us. It's always too much. LymphocyteLover Oct 15 #15
for the psychopaths, it's never enough. nt Javaman Oct 15 #22
So true, as we are seeing in real time, tRUMP, and his pathologically messed up idiots compete w/ each other on SWBTATTReg Oct 15 #43
Message deleted by the DU Administrators womanofthehills Oct 16 #121
rt.com? Seriously? sarisataka Oct 16 #123
In any war, police action, or authoritarian state slightlv Oct 15 #77
She was born Jan 2003, so she is currently 22. nt SomewhereInTheMiddle Oct 16 #109
And so it goes, throughout history, Disaffected Oct 15 #2
and of all the people of the world, I would have expected the Israelis to have avoided this kind of behavior---- Jack Valentino Oct 15 #87
Ben-Gvir torture warning womanofthehills Oct 16 #120
Too long ago. Disaffected Oct 16 #134
Disgusting fit for a Nurenberg trial UTUSN Oct 15 #3
Horrific Johnny2X2X Oct 15 #4
I bet Dump is salivating at the chance to sic his ICE goons on her Blue Owl Oct 15 #6
Right. yellow dahlia Oct 15 #7
Reuchscomamdsnt Miller has been walking around all day with 3Hotdogs Oct 15 #25
Yes YD. Greta is an international treasure and should be protected. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #32
She hasn't succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome,apparently. BattleRow Oct 15 #40
She has a strong will and moral core. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #42
Sage advice, not just for Greta RVN VET71 Oct 15 #24
Beaten and tortured simply for wanting to feed starving people whom Israel wants to kill. Lonestarblue Oct 15 #8
Cruelty is used to dominate, manipulate, or intimidate others. walkingman Oct 15 #9
yes it is used to control, intimidate, punish. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #34
Greta is like Jane Goodall in that her strength comes from within and in doing the right thing. Botany Oct 15 #10
Evil has taken over the world. And the US is part of the evil. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #11
They are indeed angrychair Oct 15 #13
In the majority of the cases, the U.S. is directing and financing the evil. Shoeless Louis Oct 15 #93
I hope the ICC can figure out who to charge yellow dahlia Oct 15 #12
Yes these are crimes. And need to be punished. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #35
Greta and other humanitarians are dangerous terrorists armed with food and medicine. Ping Tung Oct 15 #14
Who is surprised by this despicable behavior? Seems totally on brand to me. littlemissmartypants Oct 15 #16
I'm having flashbacks to Abu Gareb in Iraq when the Americans tortured prisioners. OMGWTF Oct 15 #17
Are any US outlets reporting this? Fiendish Thingy Oct 15 #18
Not really angrychair Oct 15 #19
There is no independent verification SCantiGOP Oct 15 #49
Post removed Post removed Oct 15 #50
The story is filled with her quotes and numerous publications around the globe Passages Oct 15 #60
I just like to see a little corroboration in my news, that's all. Fiendish Thingy Oct 15 #65
I understand. Passages Oct 15 #72
Other flotilla folks saw it happen to her obamanut2012 Oct 16 #131
No he didnt. Eko Oct 15 #61
Other women prisoners have similar stories womanofthehills Oct 15 #86
So have young boys. iemanja Oct 16 #96
Post removed Post removed Oct 15 #89
You're linking to a right-wing Russian state-sponsored propaganda twitter account in support of the claim. lapucelle Oct 16 #127
Israel is what you consider independent verification? iemanja Oct 16 #103
Just terrible swong19104 Oct 15 #20
Bingo mjvpi Oct 15 #78
DUPE bif Oct 15 #21
Not a dupe, your link goes to a 10 day old article, this OP article is from today & is from the best Swedish major paper Celerity Oct 15 #38
Is there any rule against posting an op SocialDemocrat61 Oct 15 #70
Only in LBN Polybius Oct 15 #80
Once again, SO WHAT?? This forum is GD, not LBN. niyad Oct 16 #104
Each forum has "about forum" Click that and Emile Oct 16 #111
We are supporting the BidenRocks Oct 15 #23
The other side is Hamas Polybius Oct 15 #82
I was thinking of non-affiliated Palestinians. BidenRocks Oct 15 #84
The other side is the people of Palestine iemanja Oct 16 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Oct 15 #26
Imagine Traildogbob Oct 15 #27
Yes I thought the same thing. Ice capture could have been enen worse. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #36
Being hung by hooks & beaten is pretty bad - Israel is evil womanofthehills Oct 15 #88
Wow! Traildogbob Oct 16 #112
Any one good or decent will be destroyed. Irish_Dem Oct 16 #113
This is hyperbole, right? whathehell Oct 16 #108
Gives us a minute Traildogbob Oct 16 #115
She is as super hero as they get DoBW Oct 15 #28
Fuck those bastards. GreenWave Oct 15 #29
Is Israel ever going to have a "Are We The Baddies?" moment? Grokenstein Oct 15 #30
Setting murder traps, using food to lure starving children, is unthinkable. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #31
Just as one would trap a starving animal,sadly. BattleRow Oct 15 #39
Yes exactly the same as setting traps for starving animals. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #41
Thank you for the info. BattleRow Oct 15 #48
No one wants to bring it up. Irish_Dem Oct 15 #73
Not only MAGAs ,imho. BattleRow Oct 15 #74
Does beating up and sexually harassing an autistic girl come before or after that one? meadowlander Oct 15 #69
According to activist Sara Wilkerson womanofthehills Oct 15 #91
Rape is a Putin war strategy too. Irish_Dem Oct 16 #114
Not to diminish it, but US prisoners and ICE detainees are also subjected to invasive body searches lostnfound Oct 16 #129
This. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 17 #137
They probably should have hit that point when they helped South Africa develop nuclear weapons. name not needed Oct 16 #132
Aftonbladet is the best major national newspaper here in Sweden Celerity Oct 15 #33
"I want to hear it from her first" now it will be Klarkashton Oct 15 #37
As if a genocide isn't proof enough for some peeps. miyazaki Oct 15 #63
A pariah state gone further in decay. Passages Oct 15 #44
No words malaise Oct 15 #45
Awful. QueerDuck Oct 15 #46
Aftonbladet (Swedish: [ˈftɔnˌblɑːdɛt], lit. "The evening paper") is a Swedish daily tabloid newspaper lostincalifornia Oct 15 #47
The minister of internal security angrychair Oct 15 #57
Quick, look over there iemanja Oct 16 #99
I give this 2 days before CNN and MSNBC report this Oppaloopa Oct 15 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 16 #133
Post removed Post removed Oct 15 #52
"Actual Jew" here Mossfern Oct 15 #53
With the Third Rail activated, BidenRocks Oct 15 #54
I apologize Mossfern Oct 15 #55
General Discussion Rules BidenRocks Oct 15 #64
Post removed Post removed Oct 15 #62
My sincere thank you...... Butterflylady Oct 15 #75
It is offensive, but not surprising. There are plenty of American Jews who were against how this war lostincalifornia Oct 15 #83
Israel has renewed its bombings and starvation iemanja Oct 16 #98
... and Hamas Mossfern Oct 16 #117
I didn't make that comment iemanja Oct 16 #128
Actual Jews? Is there another kind of Jew? sarisataka Oct 15 #56
My post attempted to convey the fact that this a self-perpetuating Horror show. BurnDoubt Oct 15 #66
Where are the Christians and Muslims ? JI7 Oct 16 #95
You are right. They have had a target on their backs for most of recorded history. BurnDoubt Oct 16 #105
It's mainly Christians and Muslims that violently impose their religion on others JI7 Oct 16 #107
I put this on that fat f*cking felon. Buddyzbuddy Oct 15 #58
"That's how it works?" mountain grammy Oct 15 #59
everyone is going to feel pretty dumb when this jg10003 Oct 15 #67
If that is the case, I predict crickets MichMan Oct 15 #68
Not just one source for this. meadowlander Oct 15 #71
Oops. Kingofalldems Oct 15 #79
+1 red dog 1 Oct 15 #81
Thank you. It is a shame. David__77 Oct 16 #122
Why would we expect More? Netanyahu is wanted by the ICC as a war criminal Bread and Circuses Oct 15 #76
I remember telling... Ollie Garkie Oct 15 #85
I was just thinking... AloeVera Oct 15 #90
Well said-nt Ollie Garkie Oct 15 #92
Exactly Goddessartist Oct 16 #116
I won't link to it, but just days ago someone called her a piece of shit Orrex Oct 15 #94
Deplorable. iemanja Oct 16 #100
Peter Thiel thinks Greta Thunberg could be the Antichrist Brenda Oct 16 #130
Eventually Israel is going to wind up like South Vietnam soon. Crowman2009 Oct 16 #101
They really are terrified of her, I wonder why? Dave Bowman Oct 16 #102
Competing narratives here fujiyamasan Oct 16 #106
What... druidity33 Oct 16 #110
Greta said Ben--Gvir was in same room with her womanofthehills Oct 16 #124
I wanted to hear what she had to say and I was hoping the reports were wrong. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 16 #118
According to AI - Ben Givr visited the prison when flotilla people first arrived womanofthehills Oct 16 #125
;-{( Goonch Oct 16 #126
Gerta? sarisataka Oct 16 #135
I've looked at my OP angrychair Oct 17 #136

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
119. It's also too much when your gov doesn't have your back
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:09 AM
Oct 16

Sweden let Greta down. Why are countries so afraid of Israel??


“Thunberg says the Swedish government greatly downplayed the abuse she and her fellow Sumud Flotilla activists suffered, and wouldn't even bring them water.”

Some excerpts from her interview with the Swedish paper Aftonblatet:

Israel tortured and sexually humiliated Greta Thunberg.

Note - (UK activist Sara Wilkerson said they stripped the women and very painfully conducted an inner body probe )



"They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me."

"They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me."

"They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little whore) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Whore Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time."

In the corner where Greta was sitting, the police placed a flag.
"The flag was placed so that it would touch me. When it fluttered and touched me, they shouted ‘Don’t touch the flag’ and kicked me in the side. After a while, my hands were tied with cable ties, very tightly. A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that."

"They were thrown to the ground and beaten. But I could only see it out of the corner of my eye, because every time I lifted my head from the ground, I was kicked by the guard standing next to me."

Greta was then taken into a building to be searched and undressed. "The guards have no empathy or humanity, and they keep taking selfies with me. There’s a lot I don’t remember. So much is happening at once. You’re in shock. You’re in pain, but you go into a state of trying to stay calm."

Outside, she was forced to take off her clothes again, she says. "It was mockery, rough handling, and everything was filmed. Everything they do is extremely violent."

"It was so hot, like 40 degrees. We begged the whole time: Can we have water? Can we have water? In the end, we screamed. The guards walked in front of the bars the whole time, laughing and holding up their water bottles. They threw the bottles with water in them into the trash cans in front of us."

"When people fainted, we banged on the cages and asked for a doctor. Then the guards came and said, ‘We’re going to gas you.’ It was standard for them to say that."

"This shows that if Israel, with the whole world watching, can treat a well-known, white person with a Swedish passport this way, just imagine what they do to Palestinians behind closed doors."

Thunberg says the Swedish government greatly downplayed the abuse she and her fellow Sumud Flotilla activists suffered, and wouldn't even bring them water.

"We were together and told them about the treatment we received. About the lack of food, water, about the abuse. The torture. We showed them the physical injuries we had – bruises and scratches. We gave them all our contact details – I gave them my father's number and the number of our contact in the organization. We were clear: everything we say now must be released to the media."

"They didn’t do anything, they just said: ’Our job is to listen to you. We are here and you are entitled to consular support.’"

"We said over and over again: we need water. And they saw that the guards had water bottles. The embassy staff said: ’We’ll make a note of that.’ One of us, Vincent, said: ’Next time we meet you, you must bring water.’

Then it took two days before the embassy staff showed up again.

"They didn't bring any water, except for a small bottle of their own that was half empty. Vincent, who was in the worst shape, got to drink it. We kept asking the guards, 'Can we have some water?' but they just walked around with their water bottles and didn't answer."

"I said, 'Are you going to leave us like this? If you leave now, they will beat us up.' But they just kept walking."

When Aftonbladet compares emails sent by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to relatives, with what the captives describe telling embassy staff, it becomes clear that the seriousness of the situation has been downplayed.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs describes the scene at the port, where Greta Thunberg was beaten for hours, as follows: “She told us about harsh treatment and that she had been sitting on a hard surface for a long time.”

On Saturday, several media outlets published testimonies that Greta had been subjected to torture.

Aftonbladet has spoken to three other members of the flotilla who largely confirm what Greta Thunberg says and who have all experienced various types of abuse and humiliation. We have also spoken to relatives. Everyone is highly critical of how the Swedish embassy staff acted. - C Johnstone



LymphocyteLover

(9,216 posts)
15. for Republiscum? Never. For decent people like us. It's always too much.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:50 PM
Oct 15

the real key to our future is the mushy low info people in the middle....

SWBTATTReg

(25,960 posts)
43. So true, as we are seeing in real time, tRUMP, and his pathologically messed up idiots compete w/ each other on
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:36 PM
Oct 15

being the stupidest or dumbest one of them all. Of course they're careful not to shine the 'boss'...

Response to Javaman (Reply #22)

slightlv

(7,229 posts)
77. In any war, police action, or authoritarian state
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:29 PM
Oct 15

if you're female, you're fair game. Spoils of war. It's been that way since time immemorial, I swear. Greta's not even 18 yet, is she? So every single damned one of them would have been a pedophile on top of being just sadistic in their cruelty. One could hope the same would be done to them someday.

Jack Valentino

(4,173 posts)
87. and of all the people of the world, I would have expected the Israelis to have avoided this kind of behavior----
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:36 PM
Oct 15

Perhaps the Holocaust was too long ago, since the younger people committing the atrocities
have no direct memory of it...

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
120. Ben-Gvir torture warning
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 09:24 AM
Oct 16

As news comes out about the IDF torturing and abusing Greta Thunberg it's worth recalling that Israel's national security minister pretty much explicitly said last month that they were going to do this in order to "create a clear deterrent" against future flotilla activism. “


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Blue Owl

(58,059 posts)
6. I bet Dump is salivating at the chance to sic his ICE goons on her
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:15 PM
Oct 15

Stay safe Greta and stay out of the USA….

3Hotdogs

(14,890 posts)
25. Reuchscomamdsnt Miller has been walking around all day with
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:45 PM
Oct 15

a partial stiffie. His blue pill prescription ran out so’s he can’t experience the full Joys of Torture.

RVN VET71

(3,107 posts)
24. Sage advice, not just for Greta
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:31 PM
Oct 15

For anyone, including American citizens, who doesn't sympathize with fascism and jackbooted, truncheon wielding sons of the Gestapo.

Wish I had the option of leaving and staying away permanently. After a life of 80 years in America, I'd leave in a second if I had someplace to go and the gelt to support myself and my wife.

After 2 years in the Army (one in Vietnam) and 32 years serving the public as a Federal employee, I find I have a very uncertain financial future -- my Federal annuity is not as safe as it seemed when there were true anti-fascist Americans running things. And,, hell, my Social Security is going to fade away like yesterday's sunshine once the fascists install themselves permanently in power. (Not just my Social Security. Everybody's.)

Lonestarblue

(13,158 posts)
8. Beaten and tortured simply for wanting to feed starving people whom Israel wants to kill.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:22 PM
Oct 15

The true terrorists are Israelis.

walkingman

(10,223 posts)
9. Cruelty is used to dominate, manipulate, or intimidate others.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:26 PM
Oct 15

I think that is what we are seeing in Gaza. It seems to create an artificial feeling of strength. In the case of Thunberg, some people derive pleasure or gratification from inflicting humiliation on her. The message being....don't you dare question us "overlords". If there is a HELL, there will be a place reserved for these assholes.

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
34. yes it is used to control, intimidate, punish.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:15 PM
Oct 15

And many of these sick bastards get off on the cruelty.

Botany

(76,109 posts)
10. Greta is like Jane Goodall in that her strength comes from within and in doing the right thing.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:26 PM
Oct 15

She is a very brave person and attacks on her by the American right are as shameful as the attacks
on MLK by Americans calling him a communist. The World is a better place because she is in it.



Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
11. Evil has taken over the world. And the US is part of the evil.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:27 PM
Oct 15

The US supports Israel doing this.

This is the kind of thing ICE is no doubt doing in US secret torture camps.

angrychair

(11,612 posts)
13. They are indeed
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:31 PM
Oct 15

Look up ICE with the term "the burrito" it's incredibly unsettling form of torture.

Shoeless Louis

(96 posts)
93. In the majority of the cases, the U.S. is directing and financing the evil.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:31 PM
Oct 15

Today’s U.S. is the 1% and the corporate oligarchs.

yellow dahlia

(4,126 posts)
12. I hope the ICC can figure out who to charge
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:28 PM
Oct 15

for these crimes against the flotilla activists.

More from an Israeli govt, that can't be trusted.

The hoopla this week is a shell game.

Netanyahu has no intention of peace. He is out for annihilation and genocide. The tenuousness of the current "plan" will give him an excuse to continue the attack on Gaza.

Ping Tung

(4,100 posts)
14. Greta and other humanitarians are dangerous terrorists armed with food and medicine.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Oct 15

They give aid and comfort to starving and sick people who won't accept being tortured and starved.

According to those in charge of war crimes.

There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.
Howard Zinn

OMGWTF

(4,984 posts)
17. I'm having flashbacks to Abu Gareb in Iraq when the Americans tortured prisioners.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:06 PM
Oct 15

Recall that GeeDumbya and Cheney The Dick's lawyer, John Yoo said that the laws against torture were "quaint." JFC! Rethuglicans are evil motherfkers!

SCantiGOP

(14,630 posts)
49. There is no independent verification
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:58 PM
Oct 15

The Israeli official merely said that prisoners in general were treated “harshly.”

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #49)

Passages

(3,984 posts)
60. The story is filled with her quotes and numerous publications around the globe
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:49 PM
Oct 15

including Israel, are publishing it...the IDF is going to confirm the validity of her claims?

Haaretz, Ynet, Times of Israel etc.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1yburtpxl

Fiendish Thingy

(21,784 posts)
65. I just like to see a little corroboration in my news, that's all.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:12 PM
Oct 15

If the quotes are sourced from a press conference or interview, great, but that wasn’t clear.

Passages

(3,984 posts)
72. I understand.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:07 PM
Oct 15

This story is far from over. I imagine we will be seeing extensive interviews with her and others.

Eko

(9,806 posts)
61. No he didnt.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:57 PM
Oct 15
I “was proud that we treat flotilla activists as terror supporters,” he said in comments carried by the daily Yedioth Ahronoth.

“They should feel what the conditions in Ketziot Prison are like, and think twice before approaching Israel again. That’s how it works.”
He said they were treated as terror supporters.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/far-right-minister-proud-of-mistreating-gaza-flotilla-activists-in-israeli-prison/3708363#
They weren't carrying guns or anything like that, just food and medical supplies. Do you think people carrying food and medical supplies are terror supporters?

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
86. Other women prisoners have similar stories
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:26 PM
Oct 15

A few reported that 57 Flotilla women were in an outdoor cage less than 12’ x 12’ in the sun for hours. When they called a guard because one was very sick - they were told if they called again they would be gassed.

Here is a Jewish woman who was treated very badly too. This woman was hung up by hooks & beaten.

“ Noa Avishag Schnall, a Jewish photojournalist of Yemeni origins who was aboard the Conscience ship of the Freedom Flotilla, recounts what the Israelis did to her:“I was hung from metal chains at my wrists and ankles and beaten with blows to the stomach, back, face, and ears.”


?s=46

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #49)

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
127. You're linking to a right-wing Russian state-sponsored propaganda twitter account in support of the claim.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 11:20 AM
Oct 16

Celerity

(53,349 posts)
38. Not a dupe, your link goes to a 10 day old article, this OP article is from today & is from the best Swedish major paper
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:23 PM
Oct 15

SocialDemocrat61

(6,583 posts)
70. Is there any rule against posting an op
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:53 PM
Oct 15

with about the same issue as another thread. If not we don’t need the “dupe police”.

Emile

(39,921 posts)
111. Each forum has "about forum" Click that and
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 05:40 AM
Oct 16

read the Statement of Purpose rules for that forum.

BidenRocks

(2,629 posts)
84. I was thinking of non-affiliated Palestinians.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:23 PM
Oct 15

They need help getting rid of the cancer living among them.

Kinda like magats among us.

iemanja

(57,254 posts)
97. The other side is the people of Palestine
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:14 AM
Oct 16

And those who have the nerve to try to feed them.

Response to angrychair (Original post)

Traildogbob

(12,352 posts)
27. Imagine
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 02:53 PM
Oct 15

If ICE had captured her. She would be disappeared AND tortured, fully supported by Fossil Fuel CEO donors to Trump’s regime.
The young Republican KKKlan would have burned her, after raped her, and then chanted God is Great.
Then the GQP and Media would anoint them With a Chuckie Kirk style celebration

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
36. Yes I thought the same thing. Ice capture could have been enen worse.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:17 PM
Oct 15

She would never be seen or heard from again.

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
88. Being hung by hooks & beaten is pretty bad - Israel is evil
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:38 PM
Oct 15

Noa Avishag Schnall, a Jewish photojournalist of Yemeni origins who was aboard the Conscience ship of the Freedom Flotilla, recounts what the Israelis did to her:“I was hung from metal chains at my wrists and ankles and beaten with blows to the stomach, back, face, and ears.”

Here she is with a black eye


?s=46

🇵🇸”Flotilla activist: "They locked us in animal cages ..walls had writings in blood in Arabic 'drink from the toilet,' they said. We were starved for 40 hrs.
They tied an israel flag to [Greta's] back"She also says they made them take off their headscarves”


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"They blindfolded us, and put us in a van with barely any clothes and with very very low temperatures


?s=46



Israeli army released this woman today. She doesn’t know her name and can’t remember anything.. she’s currently in Al Aqsa Hospital- Deir Al Balah.



U can tell from the visible cuts and bruises that she underwent server torture.


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Traildogbob

(12,352 posts)
112. Wow!
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 05:51 AM
Oct 16

Natty Yahoo is not alone in his evil and hate.
Neither is Trump.
Thanks for the details. Sickening for a peaceful protester. I have a sick feeling what Miller has planned for our Antifa, Hamas and Hate America weekend.
Looks like the sickest of the sickest have taken over the whole (God damned (literally) world. All in God’s name.
Your reply is a disgusting eye opener. She is a peaceful warrior for good., yet GQP are in a world wide effort with Moses Mike to hand over a Nobel for Trump.

whathehell

(30,323 posts)
108. This is hyperbole, right?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:52 AM
Oct 16

I hope so, because otherwise, I'd have to view this comparison of ICE to the Israeli Flotilla Torturers as an unconvincing, almost desperate attempt at "bothsiderism"

Traildogbob

(12,352 posts)
115. Gives us a minute
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 07:06 AM
Oct 16

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You are right in that I had no idea just HOW evil these Natty Thugs are until I read womanofthehills post. But do not think those young (and not so young) republicans along with Miller, Noem, Kegsbreath, and Mumbles the Czar are not cheering these images and drooling at what they can achieve.
Watch this weekend and see another step in that direction. I have concerns with Moses et al calling us terrorist, and this regimes new rules to go after what they deem domestic terrorist. Watch this space as Racheal says.

Grokenstein

(6,224 posts)
30. Is Israel ever going to have a "Are We The Baddies?" moment?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:03 PM
Oct 15

How about all the apologists? Probably not; they're already past the "luring innocent helpless people into the open with the promise of food and water and then mowing them down" stage.

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
31. Setting murder traps, using food to lure starving children, is unthinkable.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:10 PM
Oct 15

But we watched it happen.

BattleRow

(2,074 posts)
39. Just as one would trap a starving animal,sadly.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 15

Evidently,these people are considered subhuman by their inhumane oppressors.

Was Jesus Christ a Palestinian,btw?

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
41. Yes exactly the same as setting traps for starving animals.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 15

Israel considers them subhuman.

Yes google says Jesus was a Palestinian.

BattleRow

(2,074 posts)
48. Thank you for the info.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 15

I wasn't sure because regions have changed names in 200O years.
And I can't ever recall this being mentioned in any discussions by either the Pope,the pulpits OR the cafeteria Christians
Maybe my hearing isnt so good??

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
73. No one wants to bring it up.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:11 PM
Oct 15

How can Palestinians be worse than animals.
And yet Jesus was a Palestinian?

MAGAs cannot handle cognitive dissonance.

meadowlander

(5,046 posts)
69. Does beating up and sexually harassing an autistic girl come before or after that one?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:46 PM
Oct 15

It's all pretty

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
91. According to activist Sara Wilkerson
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:11 PM
Oct 15

Sara was give.TWO painful internal body searches - probably all were sexually assaulted.

I posed her YouTube video talking about this on this thread.

lostnfound

(17,345 posts)
129. Not to diminish it, but US prisoners and ICE detainees are also subjected to invasive body searches
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:31 PM
Oct 16

Tragic that the US had its time as an empire and could have prioritized global human dignity and decency. In the end, money was more important.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,479 posts)
137. This.
Fri Oct 17, 2025, 07:00 PM
Oct 17

And I was foolish enough to believe we were on the path to equal justice, clean energy as the norm, etc.

name not needed

(11,665 posts)
132. They probably should have hit that point when they helped South Africa develop nuclear weapons.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:17 PM
Oct 16

Passages

(3,984 posts)
44. A pariah state gone further in decay.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:39 PM
Oct 15

A deeply dysfunctional foreign policy took hold some time ago, and I have heard no one in leadership cry shame and how we must change policy.

International laws are for other people, not for us or our allies....just like under Bush with proven sanctioned torture memos.

No one at the top pays, ever.



lostincalifornia

(4,842 posts)
47. Aftonbladet (Swedish: [ˈftɔnˌblɑːdɛt], lit. "The evening paper") is a Swedish daily tabloid newspaper
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 03:53 PM
Oct 15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftonbladet#:~:text=Aftonbladet%20(Swedish:%20%5B%CB%88%C3%A2ft%C9%94n%CB%8Cbl%C9%91%CB%90d%C9%9Bt%5D,newspapers%20in%20the%20Nordic%20countries.

Here are some of the controversies from this paper:

2009 Israeli Organ Harvesting Allegations:

The paper published an unverified article claiming that Israeli soldiers were harvesting Palestinian organs, which caused a diplomatic rift between Sweden and Israel.
The Israeli government condemned the article as an anti-Semitic "blood libel".
The paper's editor admitted there was no evidence for the claims, and a rival Swedish paper sharply criticized it for publishing a "conspiracy theory

Cultural Section Bias:

The cultural section has been accused of a strident left-wing bias.
Former cultural editor Åsa Linderborg resigned in 2019 after the section was accused of spreading pro-Moscow narratives and was criticized for its anti-Israel stance. .

Credibility and journalistic practices

Sensationalism: Aftonbladet is a tabloid that often focuses on scandals and uses sensationalist headlines to drive readership, which has led to questions about its journalistic quality.
Criticism from insiders: In 2006, one of its own journalists criticized the paper for prioritizing celebrity news over serious issues like the war in Iraq.
Dependence on external sources: Some critics allege that the paper is poor at fact-checking and relies on other news agencies for its reports.


https://www.adl.org/resources/article/unfounded-claims-organ-harvesting-reignite-embers-decades-old-hospital-scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85sa_Linderborg

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/aftonbladet/







angrychair

(11,612 posts)
57. The minister of internal security
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:40 PM
Oct 15

Himself told the news media he personally ordered the treatment them as terrorists. In my source material story there are other links.

I have no doubt lots of newspapers and magazines hype stuff and play loose with facts. I mean it happens every single day, all day, on every TV news station in the world.

Response to Oppaloopa (Reply #51)

Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mossfern

(4,576 posts)
53. "Actual Jew" here
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:14 PM
Oct 15

Who does not support such behavior as described in the article.
There will be no retribution by Hamas and its supporters because she isn't one of them even though she dons a keffyieh.
There will be attacks on Israel no matter what, but they won't be because of the treatment of a European.

Israel's enemies will attack merely because Israel exists.

Honestly, I take offense at your post.
Can you please define what an 'actual Jew' is.

BidenRocks

(2,629 posts)
54. With the Third Rail activated,
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:29 PM
Oct 15

this discussion is over under penalty of alerts.

Just like Chump is doing with all the lawsuits.

I don't like what you are saying so you are bad and must stop!

That will not last in the face of the one sided over-kill!

All are equal, like it or not!

BidenRocks

(2,629 posts)
64. General Discussion Rules
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:11 PM
Oct 15

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. For more information.

Response to Mossfern (Reply #53)

lostincalifornia

(4,842 posts)
83. It is offensive, but not surprising. There are plenty of American Jews who were against how this war
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:05 PM
Oct 15

was waged. On the other hand, immediately after October 7, I recall a good number of protesters trying to justify what hamas did as "understandable".

I remember the slurs of "I got jewed, christ killer, Jews are cheap, and being told by a baby sitter that because I was Jewish I would burn hell".

It is ironic that the slur "Jews are cheap", runs counter to reality, especially when compared to other groups on a per capita basis.

It has been going on for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Love_Dead_Jews









iemanja

(57,254 posts)
98. Israel has renewed its bombings and starvation
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:16 AM
Oct 16

campaign against Gaza, despite having agreed to a peace agreement. That is the threat to human life.

Mossfern

(4,576 posts)
117. ... and Hamas
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 08:11 AM
Oct 16

is murdering Palestinians who they consider "collaborators." More Palestinians dead.

I am not excusing Israel's actions, but then again..........am I an "actual" Jew?

sarisataka

(22,183 posts)
56. Actual Jews? Is there another kind of Jew?
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 05:36 PM
Oct 15

And how do you know these "actual jews" support such behavior?

Your post seems to indicate Jews should be/will be punished for the actions of Israel? Isn't that collective punishment, something people have been against?

BurnDoubt

(1,323 posts)
66. My post attempted to convey the fact that this a self-perpetuating Horror show.
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:29 PM
Oct 15

Trump isn't a Jew, yet he's right there grifting off this abomination, (and secretly hopes it will enlarge his fortune).
And, right now that "collective punishment" is being visited upon a generation of babies who will live with the Hate they are being taught every minute of their lives. I suppose you don't think their dreams will be filled with the sights they have to bear for the rest of their lives. How will they EVER forget? If and when they grow to adulthood, what will be their attitude learned at such a cost? At this rate, this will continue on until the Sun eats the Earth.
My reference to "actual Jews" is to remind you that this isn't their first brush with hatred. My hope would be that some compassion for the passive victims of this shit-show would evince itself, on BOTH sides. And a time of Healing can be declared and adhered to.

JI7

(93,080 posts)
95. Where are the Christians and Muslims ?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:03 AM
Oct 16

They are causing far worse problems around the world and have committed actual genocide.

I know they like to blame these things they do on Jews and how Jewish conspiracies are a huge part of their religions.

BurnDoubt

(1,323 posts)
105. You are right. They have had a target on their backs for most of recorded history.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:03 AM
Oct 16

My comments were focused on them because they are directly involved with several religions and sects in this instance, and being the people with literal skin in the game. THEY are the ones trapped in this endless litany of abominations. Sooner than later I hope they can bury the past and make a Future they can all share. It's a Forlorn Hope, I know, but who can live like this, generation after generation?
I make no excuses for Christians, Muslims, Hindus, or really any religion so convinced of their Domination that they confer on themselves the right to impose their Faith on ANYBODY. And at the tip of a sword. Absolutely unacceptable in every way. Our entire history is of Religion managing, subjugating, deceiving and abusing people, really, since the day after Fire.
My earliest awareness of the Horror of War came at around age five, seeing a copy of a WWII pictorial volume lying open on the floor and a still shot, in black-and-white showing a little girl crying at the sight of her slain parents in the gutter. It's hard for a child's mind to comprehend the Evil that gives reality to a nightmare. Over the years, the continual grinding goes on, and on, and on..................
Poo Tee Weet.

JI7

(93,080 posts)
107. It's mainly Christians and Muslims that violently impose their religion on others
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:40 AM
Oct 16

The others have extremists but they are mostly territorial and in places where their religion originates.




jg10003

(1,056 posts)
67. everyone is going to feel pretty dumb when this
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:34 PM
Oct 15

Is shown to be totally untrue garbage printed a yellow journalism rag. This is just another version of the blood libel that has always been used against the Jews.

MichMan

(16,467 posts)
68. If that is the case, I predict crickets
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 06:40 PM
Oct 15

Yet it will be repeated ad nauseum regardless.

red dog 1

(32,260 posts)
81. +1
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 07:57 PM
Oct 15

Greta is a credible witness.

Netanyahu is a war criminal who allowed the torture of these non-violent flotilla activists.

Ollie Garkie

(331 posts)
85. I remember telling...
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 08:24 PM
Oct 15

Dick and Dubya bootlickers back in the day that even lily white non terrorist people would eventually be tortured by the powers that be, they shrugged or laughed and here we are.

AloeVera

(3,935 posts)
90. I was just thinking...
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 09:11 PM
Oct 15

We didn't stand up for Palestinians, who endure orders of magnitude worse, so this shocks us now because we didn't pay attention. It shocks also because she's "one of us". But the safe divide between us and "them" is not as wide as we think. As long as we allow this to be done to others while closing our eyes, it will come for us too one day.

Goddessartist

(2,176 posts)
116. Exactly
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 08:06 AM
Oct 16

Boomerang effect.

I've been paying attention since about 1985 or so. The hatred towards the Palestinians, who took in the Jewish refugees, then had their homes stolen by some of them, has been manufactured by Israel.

Orrex

(66,527 posts)
94. I won't link to it, but just days ago someone called her a piece of shit
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 11:49 PM
Oct 15

And another called her pro-Hamas.

All because she doesn't support Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder.

Brenda

(1,915 posts)
130. Peter Thiel thinks Greta Thunberg could be the Antichrist
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:54 PM
Oct 16
https://au.news.yahoo.com/peter-thiel-thinks-greta-thunberg-013803028.html

In a series of four lectures, Silicon Valley tech billionaire Peter Thiel has been opining on the Antichrist.

Thiel’s amateur riffing identifies the Antichrist with anyone or any institution that he dislikes – from environmental activist Greta Thunberg to governmental attempts to regulate artificial intelligence.


I hate that fucker more each day and I love Greta more each day.

What a sick, perverted and terrifying world we live in.


Dave Bowman

(6,449 posts)
102. They really are terrified of her, I wonder why?
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:26 AM
Oct 16

Something is certain, Israel keeps demonstrating how cowardly they are.

fujiyamasan

(1,061 posts)
106. Competing narratives here
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:11 AM
Oct 16

Ben-Gvir is an extremist, so I’m sure he’d approve of harshest conditions imaginable for those aboard the flotilla. And there is more than enough evidence that the Israeli state uses torture, and obviously extrajudicial killings as they want. They also are commitngethnic cleansing in Gaza. There’s no news there.

But I’d like to wait for additional corroboration. I’m still skeptical of some of the activist claims about what happened to Greta, since they of course have an agenda too. And she has in several cases, been prone to exaggerated claims.

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
124. Greta said Ben--Gvir was in same room with her
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:01 AM
Oct 16

And every time she looked at him- she would be kicked. I wonder if he was in the room while they were filming Greta naked?

Notice - American journalist on flotilla , Noa Avishag Schnall comes out of Israeli prison with a black eye obviously injured and NYT’s doesn’t cover it. She was even hung by her hands & feet and beaten. - no coverage!!!

“ Palestinians are emerging from Israel's torture dungeons with missing limbs, one blinded, and some with harrowing testimonies of rape at the hands of Israeli torturers

Greta Thunberg has detailed sexual humiliation and beatings she suffered after being kidnapped in international waters

A US journalist also kidnapped from the flotilla, Noa Avishag Schnall, emerged from an Israeli jail with bruises on her face, telling of how she was hung from the ceiling by metal shackles

Yet these accounts will not be featured on the front page of The NY Times as the comprehensively debunked, still un-retracted Oct 7 sexual abuse hoax article, "Screams Without Words" was, and everyone knows why”. M Blumenthal


BlueTsunami2018

(4,801 posts)
118. I wanted to hear what she had to say and I was hoping the reports were wrong.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 08:17 AM
Oct 16

Because it makes no sense to me to torture a high profile person such as she but there it is. She said it and I believe her.

What a disgusting way to treat people merely trying to bring aid to the suffering people of Gaza. Israel no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me on anything.

The whole world is led by demons.

womanofthehills

(10,672 posts)
125. According to AI - Ben Givr visited the prison when flotilla people first arrived
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 10:38 AM
Oct 16

He called them “terrorists “ and told them he was punishing them like terrorists. Greta said everytime she looked at him she was kicked.

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