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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA theory which is mine, belongs to me, and is mine too.
No, this is just a theory and a surmise, it does not pretend to be the truth or even close to it, but I was doing some thinking, and this is what popped into my head.
Some background: many years ago my cardiologist said something really interesting to me, he said That all these blood pressure medications, cholesterol medications, diet, and exercise, all the stuff was great and absolutely worth doing and in many or most cases will lengthen an individuals life and improve the quality. However, and this is a big however, he said that when you have your first heart attack or stroke, you are considered basically a terminal patient and the question is for how long can they keep you alive? Three months, 30 years, they just dont know. But one thing they do know is that you entered a different sphere and there are a whole different set of considerations at that level.
I think that a diagnosis was made and conveyed to Orangina. On the one hand, he who has exhibited denial his entire life, will consciously attempt to override any dire news, but the visceral, and I hate to use the term, intellectual side of him, and I apologize for that, let me change it to cognitive side or conscious side or whatever makes you happy, knows that it is just a matter of time. The question is: how long?
I believe that he blurts this heaven stuff out because it is not too distant from his consciousness, that his time is by definition limited. Of course, that is true of all of us, particularly those of us in our 70s and older, including the writer here. But it would be particularly difficult for an individual whose so-called doctor said that he could live to 200 and that he was in the best shape of any president in history of the United States to cope with this cognitive dissonance.
And one more thing: there are many diseases which occur as a result of gluttony, and we tend to only mention heart disease because it is the most familiar, but people would be surprised at the multitude of pathologies which may present themselves when an individual spends a lifetime consuming nutritionally horrendous foods.
As I said, just a theory and a sidebar consideration, presented for your cogent analyses
mobeau69
(12,459 posts)PCIntern
(28,578 posts)SCantiGOP
(14,758 posts)Nobody gets out of here alive.
Harker
(18,126 posts)Night is drawing near.
JoseBalow
(9,722 posts)turn out the lights.
bucolic_frolic
(55,782 posts)When carbs accompany a fatty diet, weight is not the only accretion. The liver is the vital organ. It's overwhelmed. So are many other things. The truth of how the body works is beginning to be spilled by YouTube medical doctors. Many good ones on there. Absent junk ingredients, things often work pretty well.
AZJonnie
(3,997 posts)and upon upon our collective health and body politic is both inevitable and imminent.
Also your reasoning seems sound to me. Except that I'm not sure any of his hand-picked doctors would tell him what is really going on with him health-wise other than writing Rx's and telling him he should eat right and get in some exercise. However if he's not feeling well every day and/or is in pain and/or is noticing his ability to do day to day "stuff" is failing, he, like pretty much anybody, will instinctively know that time is probably running out.
I hope it makes him at least as frightened as all the immigrants, minorities, retirees, farmers, and LGTBQ folks in this country feel living under his regime of terror.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)and I certainly hope my cardiologist doesn't see me as terminal.
PCIntern
(28,578 posts)is entirely different from standard prevention. They dont want you to have further destruction of heart muscle leading to .
ms liberty
(11,362 posts)The comments about heaven, the sudden overwhelming interest in erecting monuments, and numerous other little tells. He's been told something and he's mostly in denial but he secretly knows it's true because he feels like shit all the time. It's written all over his everything.
Just my opinion.
MiHale
(13,160 posts)I have been an atheist most of my life. After I got the news about this how damaged my heart was and what it was going to take to fix it
I got a little
lets say
spiritual. A quadruple bypass and a bone infection in my sternum invited me for a 45 day stay in the V.A. Hospital in Ann Arbor Michigan. That left a lot of time for self reflection.
A catholic upbringing as a youngster factored in, Ill bet. Yes thoughts of heaven and hell did cross my mind, only fleetingly though.
The thing that unsettled me most was the feeling of impending doom after my first heart attack. Never heard of it before, never knew it was a thing. I quite literally started getting all my affairs in order
my wife couldnt figure out why till we talked to the doctors
they described the feeling to a T.
Heart attack wasnt all that bad Ill admit..I did deep breathing exercises till it was over. No hospital. I blew out my right bicep a few months before and I thought thats why my shoulder hurt. Went to doctor to check that out and by the routine blood tests ..guess what they revealed.
Could have had an impending doom experience.
usonian
(26,570 posts)Just keep this in mind.
Al Capone died from the effects of syphilis.
Yeah, junk food will also do it.
He's also a teetotaler
Slightly modified old joke
A chemistry teacher was attempting to teach his Grade 9 class a lesson about the evils of liquor. To do so, he produced an experiment involving a glass of water, a glass of Trump Vodka ®️️ and two worms.
"Now class, observe very closely," he said, as he put a worm into the water. The worm wiggled about in the water, about as happy as a worm in water could be.
He then placed the second worm in the glass of Trump Vodka ®️️. The worm writhed painfully and sank to the bottom of the glass, as dead as a doornail.
"Now, could someone tell me what we can derive from this experiment?" he asked.
Billy, the class clown who sat at the back of the room, raised his hand and responded, "Drink Trump Vodka ®️️ and you won't get worms."
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)I think the reason "Europeans" have greater alcohol tolerance than some others is that they discovered (experientially) that strong beer and wine and spirits made water less diarrheic. Drinkers got health benefits, lived longer, reproduced more in the European environment. They didn't know of course about viruses and bacteria and amoebas, etc.
Wednesdays
(23,102 posts)Yeah, of alcohol. God knows what he's been shoving up his nose all these decades.
As for the "benefits" of alcohol: the invention of beer. The oldest (or one of the oldest) breweries in Germany was established in 1360. Not coincidentally, that was just a few years after the Black Death, and famine was raging across Europe. Beer was a means to preserve grain, and thus would be consumable throughout the year, even after a bad harvest. I read somewhere that one bottle of the bock beer I love has the exact same nutrients and calorie count as a small loaf of dark bread.
JT45242
(4,124 posts)He has abused a lot of things -- just not booze
pecosbob
(8,489 posts)Wednesdays
(23,102 posts)edhopper
(37,515 posts)Dinosaur?
PCIntern
(28,578 posts)😁👍
Wounded Bear
(64,619 posts)which has a number of additional pathologies that will contribute to and amplify the cardiological ailments.
All of the vital organs deteriorate. Drugs can alleviate some of the symptoms, but only lifestyle changes can try to reverse some of the effects.
Orrex
(67,381 posts)I hope his every second is tortured agony filled with ruminations on his own fleeting mortality and his fast-approaching doom.
rubbersole
(11,275 posts)NNadir
(38,530 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)You may well be right though.
erronis
(24,498 posts)from the point you have one of those diseases.
How much do they want to invest in keeping you alive when one or more of the comorbidities can ruin your life (and their investment)?
And for trump, why spend real medical expertise on someone who hates science, medicine, dietary advise, non-white/US professionals, etc. Let some crackpot like Jackson pronounce him fit and get out of the way.
dobleremolque
(1,131 posts)they don't. I suspect Trump is one of those who thinks health care management is something any available medical lackey should do for him, up to and including changing his diapers, while he continues his own special-sauced ways unimpeded.
I think you're right on with this, PCIntern.
LudwigPastorius
(14,989 posts)
Tetrachloride
(9,699 posts)beautiful
Harker
(18,126 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Hence the massive ballroom and the brain-dead no-imagination arch ideas.
I've been thinking along these lines for a few weeks and made some DU posts referencing it recently, most recently this morning before your post. So I endorse your "theory". It's not about priority or precedence since I am unlikely to have thought of it first or posted first. Thank you for posting as it makes me feel I'm less out on a limb.
NNadir
(38,530 posts)My wife assures me it's ready at all times for immersion in crushed ice.
sop
(19,262 posts)As with Trump, there must be a positive correlation between evil and longevity.
PCIntern
(28,578 posts)Im not kidding
no_hypocrisy
(55,354 posts)it's speculation.
For example, you could be right that he's getting ready to check out because he didn't seek medical attention in the past where it could have made a difference. Who knows how many mild heart attacks or strokes he's had? Not to mention, it wouldn't surprise me if he lied to his doctor. A lot of patients do. And there's a point in treating patients where essentially, there isn't much left to do for them. You tell them to put their affairs in order. Finally, TSF isn't using his "Maybe I'll get into Heaven, maybe not" to raise money. ("Send $25 to Donald J. Trump to help him get into Heaven"
If he was pretty sure he was going to get a few more years in, he'd be using it for "donations".
But flipping the argument that his demise is sooner than later, again, we haven't seen his medical chart. To the best of my knowledge, humans can't be kept alive indefinitely. But with the NIH and Walter Reed nearby, I'll guess that TSF is getting better medical care than you and myself..
That being said, I just lost a dear, dear friend in the Spring. He died "suddenly", but in hindsight, maybe not. I've been remembering stuff we discussed six months before he died. He dropped hints and I didn't pick them up. (I don't believe that he wanted me to know that he was going to die as he didn't want our last conversation to be with me crying into the telephone.) But perhaps, TSF is giving us a heads up.
In any case, it can't come soon enough.
PCIntern
(28,578 posts)I alluded to that in the beginning of the post.
It actually doesnt matter whether Im right or wrong. Im generating a bunch of electrons to be read on a message board.
I have had those conversations with people over many years. I, at this stage, hear what they were saying when they do this. I get it - I really do and Im sorry.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)Ilsa
(64,563 posts)and he's trying to figure out how to earn a seat (and maybe some golf clubs) in Heaven. I told her he's going about it the wrong way.