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PCIntern

(28,578 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:34 PM Oct 2025

A theory which is mine, belongs to me, and is mine too.

No, this is just a theory and a surmise, it does not pretend to be the truth or even close to it, but I was doing some thinking, and this is what popped into my head.

Some background: many years ago my cardiologist said something really interesting to me, he said That all these blood pressure medications, cholesterol medications, diet, and exercise, all the stuff was great and absolutely worth doing and in many or most cases will lengthen an individual‘s life and improve the quality. However, and this is a big however, he said that when you have your first heart attack or stroke, you are considered basically a terminal patient and the question is for how long can they keep you alive? Three months, 30 years, they just don’t know. But one thing they do know is that you entered a different sphere and there are a whole different set of considerations at that level.

I think that a diagnosis was made and conveyed to Orangina. On the one hand, he who has exhibited denial his entire life, will consciously attempt to override any dire news, but the visceral, and I hate to use the term, intellectual side of him, and I apologize for that, let me change it to cognitive side or conscious side or whatever makes you happy, knows that it is just a matter of time. The question is: how long?

I believe that he blurts this “heaven“ stuff out because it is not too distant from his consciousness, that his time is by definition limited. Of course, that is true of all of us, particularly those of us in our 70s and older, including the writer here. But it would be particularly difficult for an individual whose so-called doctor said that he could live to 200 and that he was in the best shape of any president in history of the United States to cope with this cognitive dissonance.

And one more thing: there are many diseases which occur as a result of gluttony, and we tend to only mention heart disease because it is the most familiar, but people would be surprised at the multitude of pathologies which may present themselves when an individual spends a lifetime consuming nutritionally horrendous foods.

As I said, just a theory and a sidebar consideration, presented for your cogent analyses

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A theory which is mine, belongs to me, and is mine too. (Original Post) PCIntern Oct 2025 OP
We are all terminal. mobeau69 Oct 2025 #1
Yeah...I made mention of that fact. PCIntern Oct 2025 #6
per Dr Jim Morrison of The Doors: SCantiGOP Oct 2025 #16
Your ballroom days are over, baby. Harker Oct 2025 #19
When the music's over, turn out the lights... JoseBalow Oct 2025 #36
You're on solid footing. bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #2
I hope that Trump experiencing suffering commensurate to that which he has callously inflicted on others AZJonnie Oct 2025 #3
I had a heart attack several years ago, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #4
The approach to your treatment PCIntern Oct 2025 #7
That's pretty much what I think ms liberty Oct 2025 #5
I can see your point... MiHale Oct 2025 #8
He's not a deep thinker. Think "needing a fire truck ladder to scale the side of a dime" usonian Oct 2025 #9
Billy's not far wrong Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #23
"He's also a teetotaler" Wednesdays Oct 2025 #27
The adderal, cocaine, STDs, and likely all sorts of party drugs (qualudes et al) definitely took a toll JT45242 Oct 2025 #30
Speaking of ailments of excess, it would be ironically fitting if he developed gout...really painful gout. pecosbob Oct 2025 #10
With his type of diet, gout is a definite possibility. nt Wednesdays Oct 2025 #29
But what is the shape of a edhopper Oct 2025 #11
Thin at one end.... PCIntern Oct 2025 #38
Add Type II Diabetes to the list... Wounded Bear Oct 2025 #12
Every day that the miserable fucker doesn't stroke out is a day wasted Orrex Oct 2025 #13
Don't hold back. 👋 rubbersole Oct 2025 #21
Every morning I cheer for your hopeful posts. NNadir Oct 2025 #26
+1 dalton99a Oct 2025 #34
Points for the Ann Elk reference. nolabear Oct 2025 #14
As an assumed corollary: The medical profession starts to analyze how much $s they can make erronis Oct 2025 #15
People either participate in the management of their own health care or dobleremolque Oct 2025 #17
_ LudwigPastorius Oct 2025 #18
ask Tsf to define cogent without using the term Tetrachloride Oct 2025 #20
Still, he uses this new awareness of his mortality to further bilk the Christians in his cult by speaking of heaven. Harker Oct 2025 #22
It's mine too. My theory! Kidding aside, I think he got a rough message and is thinking of legacy too Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #24
I join with DUer Niyad in keeping a bottle of champagne available. NNadir Oct 2025 #25
After five heart attacks, the first when ne was 37, Dick Cheney received a transplant. He's still alive at 84. sop Oct 2025 #28
Now HE might live to 200 PCIntern Oct 2025 #32
Where I like your premise and hypothesis, unfortunately until there is more information, no_hypocrisy Oct 2025 #31
Of course it's speculation... PCIntern Oct 2025 #35
Spot on, Chris! (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Oct 2025 #33
I know someone who believes he knows his time is short Ilsa Oct 2025 #37

bucolic_frolic

(55,782 posts)
2. You're on solid footing.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:45 PM
Oct 2025

When carbs accompany a fatty diet, weight is not the only accretion. The liver is the vital organ. It's overwhelmed. So are many other things. The truth of how the body works is beginning to be spilled by YouTube medical doctors. Many good ones on there. Absent junk ingredients, things often work pretty well.

AZJonnie

(3,997 posts)
3. I hope that Trump experiencing suffering commensurate to that which he has callously inflicted on others
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:52 PM
Oct 2025

and upon upon our collective health and body politic is both inevitable and imminent.

Also your reasoning seems sound to me. Except that I'm not sure any of his hand-picked doctors would tell him what is really going on with him health-wise other than writing Rx's and telling him he should eat right and get in some exercise. However if he's not feeling well every day and/or is in pain and/or is noticing his ability to do day to day "stuff" is failing, he, like pretty much anybody, will instinctively know that time is probably running out.

I hope it makes him at least as frightened as all the immigrants, minorities, retirees, farmers, and LGTBQ folks in this country feel living under his regime of terror.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
4. I had a heart attack several years ago,
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 12:57 PM
Oct 2025

and I certainly hope my cardiologist doesn't see me as terminal.

PCIntern

(28,578 posts)
7. The approach to your treatment
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:06 PM
Oct 2025

is entirely different from standard prevention. They don’t want you to have further destruction of heart muscle leading to….

ms liberty

(11,362 posts)
5. That's pretty much what I think
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:00 PM
Oct 2025

The comments about heaven, the sudden overwhelming interest in erecting monuments, and numerous other little tells. He's been told something and he's mostly in denial but he secretly knows it's true because he feels like shit all the time. It's written all over his everything.
Just my opinion.

MiHale

(13,160 posts)
8. I can see your point...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:10 PM
Oct 2025

I have been an atheist most of my life. After I got the news about this how damaged my heart was and what it was going to take to fix it…I got a little…let’s say…spiritual. A quadruple bypass and a bone infection in my sternum invited me for a 45 day stay in the V.A. Hospital in Ann Arbor Michigan. That left a lot of time for self reflection.
A catholic upbringing as a youngster factored in, I’ll bet. Yes thoughts of heaven and hell did cross my mind, only fleetingly though.

The thing that unsettled me most was the ‘feeling of impending doom’ after my first heart attack. Never heard of it before, never knew it was a thing. I quite literally started getting all my affairs in order…my wife couldn’t figure out why till we talked to the doctors…they described the feeling to a T.

Heart attack wasn’t all that bad I’ll admit..I did deep breathing exercises till it was over. No hospital. I blew out my right bicep a few months before and I thought that’s why my shoulder hurt. Went to doctor to check that out and by the routine blood tests ..guess what they revealed.

Could have had an ‘impending doom’ experience.

usonian

(26,570 posts)
9. He's not a deep thinker. Think "needing a fire truck ladder to scale the side of a dime"
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:38 PM
Oct 2025

Just keep this in mind.

Al Capone died from the effects of syphilis.

Yeah, junk food will also do it.

He's also a teetotaler

Slightly modified old joke

A chemistry teacher was attempting to teach his Grade 9 class a lesson about the evils of liquor. To do so, he produced an experiment involving a glass of water, a glass of Trump Vodka ®️™️ and two worms.

"Now class, observe very closely," he said, as he put a worm into the water. The worm wiggled about in the water, about as happy as a worm in water could be.

He then placed the second worm in the glass of Trump Vodka ®️™️. The worm writhed painfully and sank to the bottom of the glass, as dead as a doornail.

"Now, could someone tell me what we can derive from this experiment?" he asked.

Billy, the class clown who sat at the back of the room, raised his hand and responded, "Drink Trump Vodka ®️™️ and you won't get worms."


Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
23. Billy's not far wrong
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:26 PM
Oct 2025

I think the reason "Europeans" have greater alcohol tolerance than some others is that they discovered (experientially) that strong beer and wine and spirits made water less diarrheic. Drinkers got health benefits, lived longer, reproduced more in the European environment. They didn't know of course about viruses and bacteria and amoebas, etc.

Wednesdays

(23,102 posts)
27. "He's also a teetotaler"
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:50 PM
Oct 2025

Yeah, of alcohol. God knows what he's been shoving up his nose all these decades.

As for the "benefits" of alcohol: the invention of beer. The oldest (or one of the oldest) breweries in Germany was established in 1360. Not coincidentally, that was just a few years after the Black Death, and famine was raging across Europe. Beer was a means to preserve grain, and thus would be consumable throughout the year, even after a bad harvest. I read somewhere that one bottle of the bock beer I love has the exact same nutrients and calorie count as a small loaf of dark bread.

JT45242

(4,124 posts)
30. The adderal, cocaine, STDs, and likely all sorts of party drugs (qualudes et al) definitely took a toll
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 2025

He has abused a lot of things -- just not booze

pecosbob

(8,489 posts)
10. Speaking of ailments of excess, it would be ironically fitting if he developed gout...really painful gout.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:07 PM
Oct 2025

Wounded Bear

(64,619 posts)
12. Add Type II Diabetes to the list...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:24 PM
Oct 2025

which has a number of additional pathologies that will contribute to and amplify the cardiological ailments.

All of the vital organs deteriorate. Drugs can alleviate some of the symptoms, but only lifestyle changes can try to reverse some of the effects.

Orrex

(67,381 posts)
13. Every day that the miserable fucker doesn't stroke out is a day wasted
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:35 PM
Oct 2025

I hope his every second is tortured agony filled with ruminations on his own fleeting mortality and his fast-approaching doom.

erronis

(24,498 posts)
15. As an assumed corollary: The medical profession starts to analyze how much $s they can make
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:46 PM
Oct 2025

from the point you have one of those diseases.

How much do they want to invest in keeping you alive when one or more of the comorbidities can ruin your life (and their investment)?

And for trump, why spend real medical expertise on someone who hates science, medicine, dietary advise, non-white/US professionals, etc. Let some crackpot like Jackson pronounce him fit and get out of the way.

dobleremolque

(1,131 posts)
17. People either participate in the management of their own health care or
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:53 PM
Oct 2025

they don't. I suspect Trump is one of those who thinks health care management is something any available medical lackey should do for him, up to and including changing his diapers, while he continues his own special-sauced ways unimpeded.

I think you're right on with this, PCIntern.

Harker

(18,126 posts)
22. Still, he uses this new awareness of his mortality to further bilk the Christians in his cult by speaking of heaven.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 2025

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
24. It's mine too. My theory! Kidding aside, I think he got a rough message and is thinking of legacy too
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 2025

Hence the massive ballroom and the brain-dead no-imagination arch ideas.

I've been thinking along these lines for a few weeks and made some DU posts referencing it recently, most recently this morning before your post. So I endorse your "theory". It's not about priority or precedence since I am unlikely to have thought of it first or posted first. Thank you for posting as it makes me feel I'm less out on a limb.

NNadir

(38,530 posts)
25. I join with DUer Niyad in keeping a bottle of champagne available.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 2025

My wife assures me it's ready at all times for immersion in crushed ice.

sop

(19,262 posts)
28. After five heart attacks, the first when ne was 37, Dick Cheney received a transplant. He's still alive at 84.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 03:52 PM
Oct 2025

As with Trump, there must be a positive correlation between evil and longevity.

no_hypocrisy

(55,354 posts)
31. Where I like your premise and hypothesis, unfortunately until there is more information,
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 04:23 PM
Oct 2025

it's speculation.

For example, you could be right that he's getting ready to check out because he didn't seek medical attention in the past where it could have made a difference. Who knows how many mild heart attacks or strokes he's had? Not to mention, it wouldn't surprise me if he lied to his doctor. A lot of patients do. And there's a point in treating patients where essentially, there isn't much left to do for them. You tell them to put their affairs in order. Finally, TSF isn't using his "Maybe I'll get into Heaven, maybe not" to raise money. ("Send $25 to Donald J. Trump to help him get into Heaven&quot If he was pretty sure he was going to get a few more years in, he'd be using it for "donations".

But flipping the argument that his demise is sooner than later, again, we haven't seen his medical chart. To the best of my knowledge, humans can't be kept alive indefinitely. But with the NIH and Walter Reed nearby, I'll guess that TSF is getting better medical care than you and myself..

That being said, I just lost a dear, dear friend in the Spring. He died "suddenly", but in hindsight, maybe not. I've been remembering stuff we discussed six months before he died. He dropped hints and I didn't pick them up. (I don't believe that he wanted me to know that he was going to die as he didn't want our last conversation to be with me crying into the telephone.) But perhaps, TSF is giving us a heads up.

In any case, it can't come soon enough.

PCIntern

(28,578 posts)
35. Of course it's speculation...
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:08 PM
Oct 2025

I alluded to that in the beginning of the post.

It actually doesn’t matter whether I’m right or wrong. I’m generating a bunch of electrons to be read on a message board.

I have had those conversations with people over many years. I, at this stage, hear what they were saying when they do this. I get it - I really do and I’m sorry.

Ilsa

(64,563 posts)
37. I know someone who believes he knows his time is short
Fri Oct 17, 2025, 12:56 AM
Oct 2025

and he's trying to figure out how to earn a seat (and maybe some golf clubs) in Heaven. I told her he's going about it the wrong way.

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