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Miles Archer

(23,206 posts)
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 02:48 PM Oct 2025

ART OF THE DEAL: Krasnov yelling obscenities at Zelensky, demanding that he gives Putin whatever he wants.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2674213032/

In a private meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday, Trump urged him to concede a significant amount of territory to Russia or face destruction, a meeting that devolved into a “shouting match” with Trump “cursing all the time,” according to insiders who spoke with the Financial Times in its report Sunday.

“If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you,” Trump reportedly told Zelenskyy in the closed-door meeting, according to who the Financial Times described as a “European official with knowledge of the meeting,” speaking with the outlet on the condition of anonymity.

According to the insiders who spoke with the Financial Times, Trump “threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield” during the tense meeting, urging Zelenskyy to surrender parts of the eastern Donbas region which still remain under Ukrainian control. The concession Trump proposed would be in exchange for Russia ceding small regions near the southern and southeastern Ukrainian cities of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, respectively – the former now under Ukrainian control and the latter under Russian control.

But for some Ukrainian officials, surrendering the Donbas region was a nonstarter.
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ART OF THE DEAL: Krasnov yelling obscenities at Zelensky, demanding that he gives Putin whatever he wants. (Original Post) Miles Archer Oct 2025 OP
Trump was ordered to get this done lame54 Oct 2025 #1
Yes, he sounds desperate! ananda Oct 2025 #23
Yes, he was ordered to help destroy Ukraine and democracy Champp Oct 2025 #44
OMG trumpy,,,please step down, you are one demented SOB... wcmagumba Oct 2025 #2
What a disgrace newdeal2 Oct 2025 #3
Zelenskyy better rethink going to Budapest with this MONSTER!!! bluestarone Oct 2025 #4
Trump would disclose Zelensky security info to Putin. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #6
Zelenskyy should never trust Trump. sop Oct 2025 #18
Pretty sure... 2naSalit Oct 2025 #19
Yep. Zelensky has not stayed alive this long with a big target on his back by being stupid. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #27
We Americans don't trust the fat orange imbecile either wolfie001 Oct 2025 #30
So Russia is now our ally and Ukraine our enemy? vapor2 Oct 2025 #5
Zelensky will try any thing to save his people. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #7
I'd say that going the distance with Trump, as odious as that sounds... Miles Archer Oct 2025 #10
Yes exactly. The world knows he has walked thru Sh*t to help his country. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #16
This week Javaman Oct 2025 #22
I seriously think Trump is bipolar. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #28
Manic, definitely. Wednesdays Oct 2025 #41
We don't know, because he is a long time stimulant addict. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #43
IOW it was a closed door version of the Live Oval Ambush BeyondGeography Oct 2025 #8
What a weak, ineffective, leader. johnnyfins Oct 2025 #9
Is he playing both sides again? usonian Oct 2025 #11
Problem is, he ain't playing with a full deck. nt Javaman Oct 2025 #24
Rare Earth materials? Nictuku Oct 2025 #12
The area that Putin wants is of tremendous strategic value. Crunchy Frog Oct 2025 #17
Had trump been prez in the '90s, Iraq would own Kuwait! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Oct 2025 #13
If he had been in the 40s we would all speak German. Dave Bowman Oct 2025 #29
If Trump had been prez in the 40's, we would be speaking German now. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #34
The EU must go it alone Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #14
If Venezuela invaded Florida, would Trump agree to let them keep Mar-a-Lago? surfered Oct 2025 #15
Zelenskyy should not bother to meet with Trump again Joinfortmill Oct 2025 #20
The puppet telling Zelensky what the puppet master wants. republianmushroom Oct 2025 #21
Wonder if Z had anyone in there with him. he showed up at the Whilte House by himself. Amaryllis Oct 2025 #25
His signature peace deal is presently on fire bronxiteforever Oct 2025 #26
It's so confusing. One day Trump supports Ukraine, the next he doesn't Buckeyeblue Oct 2025 #31
Whatever putler has on the wanna-be dictator goes far beyond pee niyad Oct 2025 #36
This is because he's now so much more sure of himself after telling Hamas they would face destruction and chowder66 Oct 2025 #32
President Chamberlain COL Mustard Oct 2025 #33
What an asshole. MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2025 #35
Can't remember any prior president being so afraid of a Russian leader. Sneederbunk Oct 2025 #37
Putin is either blackmailing djt, or is promising zillions of dollars to the allegorical oracle Oct 2025 #38
"Fuck you! I want a Nobel Peace Prize you lil shit! And I'll yell til I get it!" struggle4progress Oct 2025 #39
TSF wouldn't yell. Wednesdays Oct 2025 #42
trump is a sadist. he told Zelensky he would mucifer Oct 2025 #40
Because D_Master81 Oct 2025 #45

Champp

(2,409 posts)
44. Yes, he was ordered to help destroy Ukraine and democracy
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:56 AM
Oct 2025

so he's shitting all over the damn place

Where are the epstein GOP pedo files?

2naSalit

(102,723 posts)
19. Pretty sure...
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 04:16 PM
Oct 2025

He knows better than to "trust" this fucking conman criminal rapist murderer.

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
27. Yep. Zelensky has not stayed alive this long with a big target on his back by being stupid.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:38 PM
Oct 2025

Putin has wanted him dead from day one.

wolfie001

(7,646 posts)
30. We Americans don't trust the fat orange imbecile either
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:40 PM
Oct 2025

The smart half of the electorate that is.

vapor2

(4,481 posts)
5. So Russia is now our ally and Ukraine our enemy?
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 02:58 PM
Oct 2025

Why does Zelensky even bother to meet with this vile monster, not to mention fucking Hegseth wearing a Russian tie. This all makes me vomit

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
7. Zelensky will try any thing to save his people.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 02:59 PM
Oct 2025

Even meet with a monster who wants to destroy him.

Miles Archer

(23,206 posts)
10. I'd say that going the distance with Trump, as odious as that sounds...
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:16 PM
Oct 2025

...cements Zelensky's standing with the rest of the global community. No one can say "he didn't try," and the WORLD is witnessing Trump's loyalty to Putin, and is taking notes.

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
16. Yes exactly. The world knows he has walked thru Sh*t to help his country.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:27 PM
Oct 2025

And it helps the morale of his people who know he has their back as they face
a torturous war.

Javaman

(65,701 posts)
22. This week
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:07 PM
Oct 2025

Next week, who knows.

Our bi-polar prezzzz will change his “mind” several more times

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
28. I seriously think Trump is bipolar.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:39 PM
Oct 2025

Every time I see that Oval Office decor I am convinced of it.

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
43. We don't know, because he is a long time stimulant addict.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:14 AM
Oct 2025

Which he could use to cover up a depression.
But the manic could be caused by his use of uppers.
He has been doing cocaine and adderall for decades.

To make a correct diagnosis, he would have to go into detox,
stay off illicit drugs for 6 months and then we would take a look
at him again.

BeyondGeography

(41,091 posts)
8. IOW it was a closed door version of the Live Oval Ambush
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:06 PM
Oct 2025

The day after he asked Putin what he thought about sending Tomahawks to Ukraine. Appeasement on steroids mixed with his pathetic Nobel fixation. The only difference with the earlier shit show is this time he didn’t have the guts to do it in public.

What an utter embarrassment he is.

johnnyfins

(3,756 posts)
9. What a weak, ineffective, leader.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:11 PM
Oct 2025

I am reminded of a Nick Lowe lyric:

"So where are the strong, and who are the trusted?"

usonian

(25,208 posts)
11. Is he playing both sides again?
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:16 PM
Oct 2025

On again, off again.

Damn dangerous game. I wonder if he's buttering up Putin for the next "Sell me those (literally) fucking videos" photo opp and secret bidding war.

Playing poker with his tiny hands?

Nictuku

(4,654 posts)
12. Rare Earth materials?
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:17 PM
Oct 2025

I would guess that the territory that is in question here is an area that has a lot of financial value, if developed.

Crunchy Frog

(28,278 posts)
17. The area that Putin wants is of tremendous strategic value.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 2025

It's where Ukraine has its strongest defensive lines going back to 2014. If Putin took it, it would become much easier for him to take much more of the country, and of course he wouldn't be stopping there. It really serves as Ukraine's bulwark.

Irish_Dem

(81,197 posts)
34. If Trump had been prez in the 40's, we would be speaking German now.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:44 PM
Oct 2025

Would have sold the US to Hitler for a nice price.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,174 posts)
14. The EU must go it alone
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 2025

Give Ukraine what it needs, including UK and French nukes.

Force Trump to threaten to send US troops to fight alongside Russian and North Korean troops, in the months before the midterms.

You know he would.

bronxiteforever

(11,212 posts)
26. His signature peace deal is presently on fire
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:35 PM
Oct 2025

Big Loser energy. He just wants to post memes at night of how he wants to shit on the American people.
I imagine his presidential library ,funded by consumers of the three billionaire automatons, will have a “Hall of Memes” to inspire the ignorant voters of years to come.

Buckeyeblue

(6,351 posts)
31. It's so confusing. One day Trump supports Ukraine, the next he doesn't
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:41 PM
Oct 2025

What does Putin have on Trump? Of course, we all think we know. But damn. This is crazy.

niyad

(132,300 posts)
36. Whatever putler has on the wanna-be dictator goes far beyond pee
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:50 PM
Oct 2025

tapes and even what is still left of the trumpstein files.

chowder66

(12,230 posts)
32. This is because he's now so much more sure of himself after telling Hamas they would face destruction and
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:43 PM
Oct 2025

getting a "ceasefire" for a hot minute.

He thinks this is the way to handle all conflicts now. Do as I say or you will face destruction!!

COL Mustard

(8,207 posts)
33. President Chamberlain
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 05:43 PM
Oct 2025

Calls for peace in our time, version 2.0. Didn’t work then: won’t work now.

allegorical oracle

(6,469 posts)
38. Putin is either blackmailing djt, or is promising zillions of dollars to the
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 07:35 PM
Oct 2025

dumpster for some deal. Outright fear -- or promise of great wealth are the sole two motivations that stir djt into action.

mucifer

(25,662 posts)
40. trump is a sadist. he told Zelensky he would
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 07:54 PM
Oct 2025

support Ukraine just so he could enjoy the lie and see his reaction when he pulled the rug out.

D_Master81

(2,574 posts)
45. Because
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:53 AM
Oct 2025

He yells at Zelenskyy because he pisses himself in the presence of Putin so he think he can be the bully to end the fighting when he meets with Ukraine.

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