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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsART OF THE DEAL: Krasnov yelling obscenities at Zelensky, demanding that he gives Putin whatever he wants.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2674213032/In a private meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday, Trump urged him to concede a significant amount of territory to Russia or face destruction, a meeting that devolved into a shouting match with Trump cursing all the time, according to insiders who spoke with the Financial Times in its report Sunday.
If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you, Trump reportedly told Zelenskyy in the closed-door meeting, according to who the Financial Times described as a European official with knowledge of the meeting, speaking with the outlet on the condition of anonymity.
According to the insiders who spoke with the Financial Times, Trump threw Ukraines maps of the battlefield during the tense meeting, urging Zelenskyy to surrender parts of the eastern Donbas region which still remain under Ukrainian control. The concession Trump proposed would be in exchange for Russia ceding small regions near the southern and southeastern Ukrainian cities of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, respectively the former now under Ukrainian control and the latter under Russian control.
But for some Ukrainian officials, surrendering the Donbas region was a nonstarter.
lame54
(40,048 posts)ananda
(35,437 posts)Putin applied the hot tongs.
Champp
(2,409 posts)so he's shitting all over the damn place
Where are the epstein GOP pedo files?
wcmagumba
(6,572 posts)newdeal2
(5,558 posts)He takes orders from Putin like a good boy.
bluestarone
(22,424 posts)No way in Hell should he go.
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)And put Zelensky in harm's way.
sop
(19,184 posts)2naSalit
(103,797 posts)He knows better than to "trust" this fucking conman criminal rapist murderer.
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)Putin has wanted him dead from day one.
wolfie001
(7,926 posts)The smart half of the electorate that is.
vapor2
(4,840 posts)Why does Zelensky even bother to meet with this vile monster, not to mention fucking Hegseth wearing a Russian tie. This all makes me vomit
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)Even meet with a monster who wants to destroy him.
Miles Archer
(24,123 posts)...cements Zelensky's standing with the rest of the global community. No one can say "he didn't try," and the WORLD is witnessing Trump's loyalty to Putin, and is taking notes.
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)And it helps the morale of his people who know he has their back as they face
a torturous war.
Next week, who knows.
Our bi-polar prezzzz will change his mind several more times
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)Every time I see that Oval Office decor I am convinced of it.
Wednesdays
(23,049 posts)The depressive part, not so much.
Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)Which he could use to cover up a depression.
But the manic could be caused by his use of uppers.
He has been doing cocaine and adderall for decades.
To make a correct diagnosis, he would have to go into detox,
stay off illicit drugs for 6 months and then we would take a look
at him again.
BeyondGeography
(41,195 posts)The day after he asked Putin what he thought about sending Tomahawks to Ukraine. Appeasement on steroids mixed with his pathetic Nobel fixation. The only difference with the earlier shit show is this time he didnt have the guts to do it in public.
What an utter embarrassment he is.
johnnyfins
(3,946 posts)I am reminded of a Nick Lowe lyric:
"So where are the strong, and who are the trusted?"
usonian
(26,440 posts)On again, off again.
Damn dangerous game. I wonder if he's buttering up Putin for the next "Sell me those (literally) fucking videos" photo opp and secret bidding war.
Playing poker with his tiny hands?

Javaman
(65,974 posts)Nictuku
(4,682 posts)I would guess that the territory that is in question here is an area that has a lot of financial value, if developed.
Crunchy Frog
(28,299 posts)It's where Ukraine has its strongest defensive lines going back to 2014. If Putin took it, it would become much easier for him to take much more of the country, and of course he wouldn't be stopping there. It really serves as Ukraine's bulwark.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(2,203 posts)Dave Bowman
(7,398 posts)Irish_Dem
(82,154 posts)Would have sold the US to Hitler for a nice price.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,918 posts)Give Ukraine what it needs, including UK and French nukes.
Force Trump to threaten to send US troops to fight alongside Russian and North Korean troops, in the months before the midterms.
You know he would.
surfered
(14,129 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,581 posts)Europe will support him.
republianmushroom
(22,628 posts)Amaryllis
(11,405 posts)bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)Big Loser energy. He just wants to post memes at night of how he wants to shit on the American people.
I imagine his presidential library ,funded by consumers of the three billionaire automatons, will have a Hall of Memes to inspire the ignorant voters of years to come.
Buckeyeblue
(6,428 posts)What does Putin have on Trump? Of course, we all think we know. But damn. This is crazy.
niyad
(133,794 posts)tapes and even what is still left of the trumpstein files.
chowder66
(12,465 posts)getting a "ceasefire" for a hot minute.
He thinks this is the way to handle all conflicts now. Do as I say or you will face destruction!!
COL Mustard
(8,345 posts)Calls for peace in our time, version 2.0. Didnt work then: wont work now.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,708 posts)Insane MFer.
Sneederbunk
(17,601 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,531 posts)dumpster for some deal. Outright fear -- or promise of great wealth are the sole two motivations that stir djt into action.
struggle4progress
(126,644 posts)Wednesdays
(23,049 posts)He'd hold his breath until he turned blue.
mucifer
(25,719 posts)support Ukraine just so he could enjoy the lie and see his reaction when he pulled the rug out.
D_Master81
(2,664 posts)He yells at Zelenskyy because he pisses himself in the presence of Putin so he think he can be the bully to end the fighting when he meets with Ukraine.