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riversedge

(79,166 posts)
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 05:46 AM Oct 20

Trump: Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. You understand what that

Trump will bail out Argentina beef farmers before U.S.farmers.




Q: What do you have to say to farmers who feel that the deal is benefitting Argentina more than it is them?

Trump: Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. You understand what that means? They are dying.






Maine @TheMaineWonk

🚨 ON AIR FORCE ONE: TRUMP SAYS US IS CONSIDERING BUYING BEEF FROM ARGENTINA

If you’re keeping track at home:

- We bailout Argentina for $40 billion
- They sell soybeans to China
- Our farmers get nothing & going bankrupt because of his tariff policies




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Trump: Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. You understand what that (Original Post) riversedge Oct 20 OP
Trump doesn't care about dying people. He wants Venezuela's oil reserves. Irish_Dem Oct 20 #1
If he did, he would care about Ukraine Captain Zero Oct 20 #28
Putin has his own files on Trump..peepee files. Joinfortmill Oct 20 #44
It is so clear that Trump is trying to destroy our nation on Putin's order. Trueblue Texan Oct 20 #130
Didn't the majority of the farmers vote for trump? This may not be popular here but, they are getting what they Escurumbele Oct 20 #31
Yup. Can't say they didn't know he was a sex offending bastard, crook & liar Joinfortmill Oct 20 #55
Yep. Trump was only supposed to destroy everyone else. Irish_Dem Oct 20 #103
To be fair to farmers... rpannier Oct 20 #123
Reaping what you sow Nasruddin Oct 20 #131
Condescending stupid fuck. n/t mtngirl47 Oct 20 #2
I couldn't markie Oct 20 #7
No, I'll go on for you. ReRe Oct 20 #32
Con-densending stupid fuck. From the very beginning. ... aggiesal Oct 20 #53
Good one! Joinfortmill Oct 20 #57
The man in the tin foil hat Clouds Passing Oct 21 #138
Thanks, with Donald Fagan it had that Steely Dan vibe to it. n/t aggiesal Oct 21 #140
The song applies even more now. Love the Steely Dan vibe! Todd is a genius! Clouds Passing Oct 21 #141
$40 billion to Argentina while our federal workers oasis Oct 20 #3
honestly his capacity for clownish idiocy is infinite LymphocyteLover Oct 20 #11
Yep, since we know Trump isn't opposed to Baitball Blogger Oct 20 #4
I would have to think that Milei is saving some of the money as kickbacks to the trump family, this happens in Escurumbele Oct 20 #34
MSM has it's collective head up its ass. Gonna be independent media. Joinfortmill Oct 20 #58
Argentina has been in a fucked-up state for decades. 3Hotdogs Oct 20 #5
Fascist governments tend to have that long-term effect, yeah. Volaris Oct 20 #15
Don't Cry for me Argentina..... democratsruletheday Oct 20 #33
Art-of-the-Deal Donnie can fix it! CrispyQ Oct 20 #38
Argentina has a history of defaulting on debt Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 20 #6
Swindlers stick together... haele Oct 20 #43
Argentina also has a history of taking in homeless cloudbase Oct 20 #101
Where is the Democratic Party and a few ads? gordianot Oct 20 #8
What would that change? Other than ... QueerDuck Oct 20 #16
I beg to differ. NH Ethylene Oct 20 #30
An ad buy with this topic will make zero difference. QueerDuck Oct 20 #49
Normally I'd agree... progressoid Oct 20 #129
Many attempts were made to twist this to accuse me of being against ads... okay, whatever. QueerDuck Oct 21 #132
I've never been to Iowa DFW Oct 24 #145
I know him too! I saw him a few months ago. progressoid Oct 24 #148
I've never met Josh Turek, but spoken to him om the phone DFW Oct 24 #149
I agree with gordianot: the DNC and other like-minded groups need to be running ads on these issues... Ol Janx Spirit Oct 20 #35
Well... QueerDuck Oct 20 #51
I don't think the suggestion is to run ads pointing out that he is disrespectful or condescending. Ol Janx Spirit Oct 20 #74
Ohhh... okay. 👍️ QueerDuck Oct 20 #77
We need to get radio channels broadcasting all of this stuff. h2ebits Oct 20 #69
If ads didn't work you wouldn't see any on TV, Radio, newspapers or billboards. Yet we do. Why? Blues Heron Oct 20 #40
You've missed the point, obviously. QueerDuck Oct 20 #52
Lol, I missed nothing bro Blues Heron Oct 20 #54
Lol, okay... "bro" 🤣 QueerDuck Oct 20 #79
Don't waste your time Keepthesoulalive Oct 20 #85
Agreed. It's about as dated and silly as demanding that the DNC have a bake-sales and car-washes, too. QueerDuck Oct 20 #87
You're very brave Keepthesoulalive Oct 20 #88
This is something that pisses off Magas who say they vote Trump because he's "America First." Yes, it needs an ad buy. Doodley Oct 20 #93
No, it doesn't. This is not a wise way to spend money. Where's the biggest bang for the buck? QueerDuck Oct 20 #98
It's not just about voting leftstreet Oct 20 #102
Yes... it is about voting. People "calling their (MAGA) congresspersons" will make ZERO difference. QueerDuck Oct 20 #109
LOL leftstreet Oct 20 #110
LOL. You know perfectly that's not what I'm saying. 🙄 QueerDuck Oct 20 #111
Some people aren't listening to you because... druidity33 Oct 21 #133
I don't need to "offer an alternative" when the error is so OBVIOUS! QueerDuck Oct 21 #134
There is no balcony here... druidity33 Oct 21 #136
Well, actually it's much MORE than "just an idea that hasn't been implemented"... QueerDuck Oct 21 #137
Have you spoken to Magas? Doodley Oct 20 #124
Clap harder. Louder. Faster. 🧚‍♀️ QueerDuck Oct 21 #135
How did that work out at the last election? Doodley Oct 24 #144
Sadly, in close elections, the "LEAVE IT BLANK" saboteurs in Michigan and New York City had a... QueerDuck Oct 24 #146
You are completely missing how triggered many MAGA are over Argentina. This is one thing that really pisses them off. Doodley Oct 26 #150
I think that you are correct. markodochartaigh Oct 20 #56
I think people would want to know kacekwl Oct 20 #80
If they don't say it who will? Hieronymus Phact Oct 20 #107
+1 leftstreet Oct 20 #105
"Young lady"?? How rude! AllyCat Oct 20 #9
His disgusting treatment of women Hope22 Oct 20 #14
AMERICA FIRST!!!! LymphocyteLover Oct 20 #10
America Usurped. ☹️ tanyev Oct 20 #19
by a Russian puppet LymphocyteLover Oct 20 #122
Can we agree that he is out of his mind now? Hope22 Oct 20 #12
"Trump: ' Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. . . They are dying.'" Collimator Oct 20 #13
What he was really saying is that billionaires are afraid they will be mere hundred-millionaires if they... Ol Janx Spirit Oct 20 #47
The President of Argentina is dying.....from laughing his ASS off Bengus81 Oct 20 #76
But not as much as Argentine banksters... peppertree Oct 20 #106
This is just insane. Iris Oct 20 #17
No, Ukraine is fighting for its life you orange dotard bronxiteforever Oct 20 #18
WE are fighting for OUR lives here in the U.S. popsdenver Oct 20 #89
This needs put on EVERY Republican non stop. 3825-87867 Oct 20 #20
Yup. Glad I read this. Hope it doesn't get pulled. Joinfortmill Oct 20 #62
so he will spend our tax dollars barbtries Oct 20 #21
So is Ukraine. What about them? Ray Bruns Oct 20 #22
"Young lady." Kid Berwyn Oct 20 #23
Trump: "The only price we have that's high is beef, and we'll get that down. And one of things we're thinking about doin riversedge Oct 20 #24
Characteristics of Psychopaths littlemissmartypants Oct 20 #25
In other words, EVIL. Joinfortmill Oct 20 #63
The most psychologically twisted people on the planet. And therapy will likely NEVER help them. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 20 #75
Stock market crash coming soon. Emile Oct 20 #26
Imagine a reporter asking a REAL question? 3825-87867 Oct 20 #27
You know who else are dying? People in the poorest applegrove Oct 20 #29
He is such a jackass! sunflowerseed Oct 20 #36
They're "dying" because of Milei and... Wuddles440 Oct 20 #37
The response from, "Maine", is exactly what a soybean farmer said... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 20 #39
Hey Maine farmers...you voted for the fucker even AFTER he screwed farmers in his first term... Bengus81 Oct 20 #78
Ann Applebaum explains in her book Hey Joe Oct 20 #41
Bad for us all, but who did they vote for? Joinfortmill Oct 20 #42
Put this condescending shit on a loop Ruby the Liberal Oct 20 #45
"Put this...on a loop in every waiting room and diner..." Wednesdays Oct 20 #70
If memory serves. Prairie_Seagull Oct 20 #46
Yup. Joinfortmill Oct 20 #64
Thanks Joinfortmill. Prairie_Seagull Oct 20 #67
I don't think the American farmers who are going bankrupt are going to do well with that quip. Baitball Blogger Oct 20 #48
Argentina is where all your high ranking Nazi buddies fled after World War II. So yeah, we get it. Clouds Passing Oct 20 #50
Not all - not even most. peppertree Oct 20 #72
Operation Paperclip Clouds Passing Oct 20 #81
Sure - hundreds. Though our side was much better at recruiting them (understandably) peppertree Oct 20 #94
This we should have learned in jr. high. Clouds Passing Oct 21 #139
True. Argentina was always a convenient scapegoat - and above all, distraction. peppertree Oct 21 #142
And Peter Thiel invested a ton into Argentinian futures DemMedic Oct 20 #59
'Argentine futures' is almost an oxymoron peppertree Oct 20 #99
Farmers should be outside the White House with pitchforks C_U_L8R Oct 20 #60
Oh brother we are scr#wed. Ritabert Oct 20 #61
Why doesn't this traitor set up this game on the plane to show the masses and the feckless media what he is all about... turbinetree Oct 20 #65
What about the high number of US farmers committing suicide PuraVidaDreamin Oct 20 #66
His contempt of women reporters is getting to the truly unhinged point. viva la Oct 20 #68
'I happen to like the president of Argentina."' elleng Oct 20 #71
The smelly little bastard must distract from Trump's own diaper stench peppertree Oct 20 #73
Hallucination due to dementia? Purposeful gaslighting? muriel_volestrangler Oct 20 #82
N@zis Love Argentina Deep State Witch Oct 20 #83
Und to ze United Shhtates! peppertree Oct 20 #100
I Remember My Grandfather Deep State Witch Oct 20 #120
Fuck fascism! Fuck Trump! Fuck Milei! Initech Oct 20 #84
So, Mushroomdick... GiqueCee Oct 20 #86
Trump probably likes to keep good relationship with these authoritarian strong man regimes ToxMarz Oct 20 #90
The USAID countries are fighting for their lives, too.... Sogo Oct 20 #91
If memory serves me Cherokee100 Oct 20 #92
They and the U.S. both - but here's something much more recent: Trump's 2018 Argentina bailout! peppertree Oct 20 #108
Got sold and owned again. This man baby is an embarrassment. Last person in the room.... Evolve Dammit Oct 20 #95
He's such bdamomma Oct 20 #96
This is honestly so funny Akakoji Oct 20 #97
And you think the American farmer isn't? JHC!! PortTack Oct 20 #104
I am going to assume... jmowreader Oct 20 #112
No it is not! Javier Milei and his fascist goons are looting the treasury! Initech Oct 20 #113
Worst example of condescension and /or mansplaining I've ever seen... blue_jay Oct 20 #114
Ah, "the art of the deal." Break farms here Hassler Oct 20 #115
Argentina is fighting for it's life becuz a chain saw waving Libertarian is it's prez. Jacson6 Oct 20 #116
But the 250,000 deaths per month his decimation USAID is responsible for are just hunky dory?!? pat_k Oct 20 #117
Trump was a big reason that the Argentinian currency crashed Mblaze Oct 20 #118
I wonder how much he's getting in kickbacks or receiving money in an offshore accounts? kimbutgar Oct 20 #119
"Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady." red dog 1 Oct 20 #121
Make Argentina Great Again! Dem4life1970 Oct 20 #125
And Trump-voting cattle farmers will thank him for it. RandySF Oct 20 #126
OUR farmers are fighting for their own survival, right HERE. calimary Oct 20 #127
Remember who our farmers voted for before we show sympathy nycbos Oct 20 #128
Some GOP Senators are not so happy. Akakoji Oct 22 #143
So if "fighting for their life" means they deserve 40 billion... Takket Oct 24 #147

Captain Zero

(8,711 posts)
28. If he did, he would care about Ukraine
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:29 AM
Oct 20
But he's telling them to take Putin's current lines.

People are dying there too.

Trump has fully surrendered to Putin

It's Almost like Putin has a Fully un-redacted copy of the EPSTEIN FILES.

Trueblue Texan

(4,144 posts)
130. It is so clear that Trump is trying to destroy our nation on Putin's order.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:35 PM
Oct 20

It's the one thing he's super talented at. Give him a destruction job, you're guaranteed success!

Escurumbele

(4,001 posts)
31. Didn't the majority of the farmers vote for trump? This may not be popular here but, they are getting what they
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:30 AM
Oct 20

voted for.

Not sure how many people watched the video posted here in DU about the farmers, and the main reason they voted for trump. They were bailed out during his first term, and they wanted the same this time around, easy money, so their decision was the heck with the country as long as they got their money.

As I have said before, yes we are all going to suffer, but they voted selfishly, I feel they have little to complain, they knew who the guy and his minions are.

rpannier

(24,840 posts)
123. To be fair to farmers...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:38 PM
Oct 20

African American farmers didn't vote Trump.
The rest mostly did. I have zero sympathy for those that voted Trump
That may explain why when you watch programs on struggling farmers, those meetings look like local KKK venues

markie

(23,811 posts)
7. I couldn't
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:41 AM
Oct 20

have said it any better.... his demeaner, his condescending behavior, his lack of self-awareness, his lack of concern for the American people.... need I go on

ReRe

(12,164 posts)
32. No, I'll go on for you.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:31 AM
Oct 20
He was downright cocky and if he wasn't the POTUS, he probably would have been slugged by that young reporter who asked the question.

oasis

(53,302 posts)
3. $40 billion to Argentina while our federal workers
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:29 AM
Oct 20

go unpaid? How much of a clownish, pea brained idiot can this guy be?

Baitball Blogger

(51,633 posts)
4. Yep, since we know Trump isn't opposed to
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:30 AM
Oct 20

Raising the pain level for everyone the question is, what makes Argentina so special, hmmm?


Also, isn’t Warren going to put the kibosh in this since Congress holds the purse strings?

Escurumbele

(4,001 posts)
34. I would have to think that Milei is saving some of the money as kickbacks to the trump family, this happens in
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:33 AM
Oct 20

South America all the time, but now its happening here. The trump family and some of the minions are cashing in big time, not sure why no one has investigated yet.

Joinfortmill

(19,900 posts)
58. MSM has it's collective head up its ass. Gonna be independent media.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:18 AM
Oct 20

or a very brave investigative reporter, or both.

democratsruletheday

(1,807 posts)
33. Don't Cry for me Argentina.....
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:31 AM
Oct 20

has always been a chaotic MESS. Which is just what tOrange shit stain and his clown show are so they make great bedfellows.

haele

(15,028 posts)
43. Swindlers stick together...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:48 AM
Oct 20

So do Mob Bosses and "Strong Men".
They have to, because their position and leadership is based on illusions, lies, and grift. Once any weakness or failure becomes apparent, their opposition will use those to make them down.
Milei is much like *rump in his first term, only smarter. But just as transactional.

cloudbase

(6,143 posts)
101. Argentina also has a history of taking in homeless
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:11 PM
Oct 20

Nazis and fascists. Trump and his cabal are just thinking ahead.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
16. What would that change? Other than ...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:22 AM
Oct 20

depleting the party's resources? Who would care? No minds are going to be changed at this date.

I trust that or party leadership and the DNC know what they are doing and they will make financially sound decisions that have the greatest impact... aside from the performative value of "convincing" those who are already convinced anyway.

NH Ethylene

(31,278 posts)
30. I beg to differ.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:29 AM
Oct 20

Minds are being changed every day as MAGAs start to see how it is affecting them personally. That's why his favorability rating is continuing to drop. So examples of how it affects their daily lives are crucial and should be publicized at every opportunity.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
49. An ad buy with this topic will make zero difference.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:05 AM
Oct 20

An ad buy with this topic will make zero difference.

Everyone knows he's a condescending asshole, why waste money telling people what they know? No minds will be changed because he disrespects a reporter.

The DNC knows this too. Avoid disappointment ... adjust expectations... I can guarantee that ZERO ad dollars spent on this non event. It's ridiculous to demand it.

Focus instead on things that matter to the minds that can be changed. It's not that there is no place for ads... but this would be a waste of money.

progressoid

(52,495 posts)
129. Normally I'd agree...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:04 PM
Oct 20

but the message done right can make a dent.

Here in this shit-hole we call Iowa, there are some people who are flexible with their votes. They voted for Obama twice and Trump twice. There are nearly as many unaffiliated registered voters in IA as Democrats. Yes, hardcore magas aren't going to be swayed. Fuck them. But there are a lot of people who can be influenced.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
132. Many attempts were made to twist this to accuse me of being against ads... okay, whatever.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 04:51 AM
Oct 21

It's amazing. Do I lack proper writing skills? Or is it something else not related to me?

I've made my arguments and there's nothing more to say. I think I'm done with this one for awhile. Fortunately, I have trust that our party and the DNC will not engage in masturbatory and MAGA trolling messages reminding people of things that everyone already knows. "Hey! Did you know that Trump is a bad man? Okay... we just wanted to spend a million or so dollars to remind you. This ad was paid for by the DNC."

Hmmm... I wonder what today's nit-picking anti-Dem message will be. Have a great week.

DFW

(59,681 posts)
145. I've never been to Iowa
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:42 AM
Oct 24

But I have a friend there from a rural area who has a credible media presence, and seems to know whom he can talk to and who is a lost cause. I have known him for about ten years now. I was hoping he would try for Ernst‘s Senate seat, but he has decided to run for governor instead. Being Iowa, it‘s probably an uphill battle, but competence, likability and a well put-together media presence could be his winning combination. I‘m hoping a majority of Iowa voters are receptive to one of their own with those assets.

progressoid

(52,495 posts)
148. I know him too! I saw him a few months ago.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:53 AM
Oct 24

Talked with him at a small fundraiser earlier this year and more recently saw him at a public gathering. At the public gathering (which was packed), he asked for a show of hands - Democrats, Republicans, and none-of-the-aboves, were equally represented. He gives a great stump speech that appeals to a broad audience. It's no wonder the right wing machine has/is trying to silence him.

The governors race seems to suit him. Yes, it's definitely an uphill battle here. But people are not happy with what has happened here for the last few years. If he can get the message through the fog of right wing media, he's got a good shot.

In my humble opinion, people like Rob and Josh Turek scare the shit out of the GOP machine. Aside from the fact that they are well liked and sensible, it's hard to attack them with the usual right wing scare tactics.


DFW

(59,681 posts)
149. I've never met Josh Turek, but spoken to him om the phone
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:45 PM
Oct 24

Seems like a good guy, too.

When Rob was in his first campaign for State Auditor, I met up with him in Washington at a fundraiser, and mentioned he should talk to Howard Dean for some hints and pointers. He said he'd love to, but he had no idea how to get in touch with Howard Dean. I said, well here's one easy way. I took out my phone, dialled Howard. and told him who Rob was, and asked if he had time to chat with him. They talked for about half an hour, and Rob DID win his race, so something must have gone right!

Ol Janx Spirit

(603 posts)
35. I agree with gordianot: the DNC and other like-minded groups need to be running ads on these issues...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:37 AM
Oct 20

...on all platforms--especially social media.

Too many people will not have even heard about this issue for it to affect their opinion. It would also help them get more resources as many of us are unwilling to give more money to the party when we see no real effort on their part to do any messaging whatsoever.

And, if the party leadership and the DNC knew what they were doing I do not think we would be in nearly the situation we currently find ourselves. Staying on the current path will see Democrats purged from any political power whatsoever.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
51. Well...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:05 AM
Oct 20

An ad buy with this topic will make zero difference.

Everyone knows he's a condescending asshole, why waste money telling people what they know? No minds will be changed because he disrespects a reporter.

The DNC knows this too. Avoid disappointment ... adjust expectations... I can guarantee that ZERO ad dollars spent on this non event. It's ridiculous to demand it.

Focus instead on things that matter to the minds that can be changed. It's not that there is no place for ads... but this would be a waste of money.

Ol Janx Spirit

(603 posts)
74. I don't think the suggestion is to run ads pointing out that he is disrespectful or condescending.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:32 AM
Oct 20

The point is to highlight the lie that he is actually trying to make America great when he gives billions of dollars to a foreign country that is undermining our own farmers--and the fact that he does not even care that he is doing it.

I live in a rural area where farmers in this part of the country were democrats not that long ago. They've bought into the culture wars, sure--but they are also people that do not like to be lied to and do not want to lose their livelihoods to the whims of a NY billionaire with a tariff fetish that's never had to mortgage their farm in the hope of making it to the next growing season.

Sure, most of what the Tangerine Traitor does has no effect on their opinion, but taking away their markets through tariffs and then bailing out their competitors after those same competitors dropped their own tariffs in an attempt to take that market away from them entirely is a pretty important fact that we need to make sure they are aware of.

I get that you disagree--and that is your prerogative--but there is an old but true adage in advertising: 90% of your advertising dollars are wasted; you just don't know which ones. With many of the tools available today getting some of these things out there does not have to cost a fortune to reach people, but it does take making the effort. Conservatives are currently doing a much better job of getting their message out over social media. There is zero excuse for Democrats to be behind in this regard.

h2ebits

(964 posts)
69. We need to get radio channels broadcasting all of this stuff.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:06 AM
Oct 20

Too much hate radio and disinformation out in the fields. We need to go where they are at and radio is where a lot of them are getting their information.
.
Internet access is spotty and poor in many areas of our country. Yes, this is true. Even television is difficult in some locations.

Local radio stations thrive.

Blues Heron

(8,246 posts)
40. If ads didn't work you wouldn't see any on TV, Radio, newspapers or billboards. Yet we do. Why?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:47 AM
Oct 20

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
52. You've missed the point, obviously.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:06 AM
Oct 20

An ad buy with this topic will make zero difference.

Everyone knows he's a condescending asshole, why waste money telling people what they know? No minds will be changed because he disrespects a reporter.

The DNC knows this too. Avoid disappointment ... adjust expectations... I can guarantee that ZERO ad dollars spent on this non event. It's ridiculous to demand it.

Focus instead on things that matter to the minds that can be changed. It's not that there is no place for ads... but this would be a waste of money.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,097 posts)
85. Don't waste your time
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:23 AM
Oct 20

People here think ads and legacy media will make rural America come to her senses.
He screwed them last time and they still voted for him. Many people think that these folks are logical and can be reached, truckers, union members, red state churches and so many more fell for the con. Ads will not reach them unfortunately pain might.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
87. Agreed. It's about as dated and silly as demanding that the DNC have a bake-sales and car-washes, too.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:59 AM
Oct 20

It's thinking small and ignoring the big picture and ignoring reality ... in favor of performative and trolling ads that only serve to annoy MAGA (but to change no votes) ... or to "entertain" Democratic voters (but, again, to GAIN no additional votes).

It's not 1960, or 1980, or 2000. Times have changed. One would think that the folks clamoring for new-leadership, and who constantly complain that our party's leaders are "too old" would be the last ones to be clinging to the methods and ideas of old-media.

The days of voters being impressed with "full page ads" and getting an hour on public-access-TV are over. Those things (and similar) just don't have the same impact as it used to. Oh well.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,097 posts)
88. You're very brave
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:08 PM
Oct 20

I’ve been trying to get people to figure out new ways to reach people and the pushback is unbelievable.
Indivisible got their message out and millions responded. Influencers on YouTube get thousands of views per day and many of them are well researched and enlightening. Thanks for trying.

Doodley

(11,573 posts)
93. This is something that pisses off Magas who say they vote Trump because he's "America First." Yes, it needs an ad buy.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:51 PM
Oct 20

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
98. No, it doesn't. This is not a wise way to spend money. Where's the biggest bang for the buck?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:28 PM
Oct 20

Spending a million dollars to grab a handful of malcontents who can be convinced to switch? Or putting it towards a more inclusive and further-reaching GOTV effort where the ROI is much higher? While it may be emotionally satisfying to "convert" a MAGA... I think the bigger and more meaningful reward will be with a sustained and successful GOTV effort that targets those who are FAR MORE LIKELY to be swayed.

But, to each their own, I suppose. Y'all can armchair quarterback all you want... this kind of grievance-shopping and public moaning/groaning about how "out of touch" our party is seems to be quite the sport these days. But I trust the wisdom of our party's leadership when it comes to where, when, and HOW the most effective ways to spend ad-money will be.

leftstreet

(38,735 posts)
102. It's not just about voting
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:15 PM
Oct 20

JFC

How about an ad buy as people here are describing, with a suggestion to CALL YOUR CONGRESS REPRESENTATIVE and let them know you oppose this

It's important to engage people - and not just when it's time to vote

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
109. Yes... it is about voting. People "calling their (MAGA) congresspersons" will make ZERO difference.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:55 PM
Oct 20

Oooo! I know! --- How about a "sternly worded letter" to the MAGA congresspersons? What about that?? Surely it would be more effective than simply leaving a voicemail message on an answering machine or voicemail service.

Realistic people know that MAGA congressmen and women do not care. These old-fashioned things simply do not work any more... not in today's world, and certainly not with the MAGA cult. Those who voted for them will not be swayed by a wasteful ad-spend, and if a few reasonable-minded folks decided to call or send sternly worded letters... it will fall on deaf ears. ("Press 7 to delete all messages", and/or letters would go directly into the shredder/burn-bag.)

A total boondoggle wasting money so short-sighted planners and pundits can pat themselves on the back claiming "well, at least we tried" while thinking to themselves ("we should have listened to Queerduck and others who had similar messages and warnings. But that car-wash and bake-sale still looks like a good idea!&quot 😂😆

JFC, indeed.



leftstreet

(38,735 posts)
110. LOL
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 20

Wrong. It was MAGA and GOPer uproar at the prospect of losing ACA coverage that got McCain maneuvered into a thumbs down vote, and he saved their butts

Yes, engaged citizens can make a difference

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
111. LOL. You know perfectly that's not what I'm saying. 🙄
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 03:37 PM
Oct 20

I should let you know that efforts to twist or misinterpret my words are the sign that someone knows they are arguing from a position of weakness.

Also... McCain was no MAGA. But... keep trying, keep wishing. Clap harder. Keep writing stern letters to MAGA congresspeople.

druidity33

(6,861 posts)
133. Some people aren't listening to you because...
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 05:34 AM
Oct 21

you haven't offered an alternative. You've just repeated "it's never going to work. it's a waste of money." Over and over. Well, what do you think would work? Basically, come up with a better suggestion or stop criticizing the people trying to suggest something? I look at DU as a brain-storming session. Looking more like a critique fest lately.



QueerDuck

(872 posts)
134. I don't need to "offer an alternative" when the error is so OBVIOUS!
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 06:58 AM
Oct 21

Me: Don't jump from the balcony!

They: Huh? What??? But we need to be on the ground floor to talk to those people.

Me: Okay, and...?

They: BUT YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANY ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS!

Me: JFC!

druidity33

(6,861 posts)
136. There is no balcony here...
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:12 PM
Oct 21

this is an idea that hasn't even been implemented. It's an opinion on a forum. Spamming this thread with your 'I know way more than anyone else here' attitude is not helping me trust your judgement. Just sayin'. Not that you care, of course.



QueerDuck

(872 posts)
137. Well, actually it's much MORE than "just an idea that hasn't been implemented"...
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:34 PM
Oct 21

it's being used as a makeshift and impromptu cudgel for assorted folks to try and bludgeon Democrats by falsely claiming (yet again, and predictably) that "Democratic leadership lacks vision" or any other number of repetitive slams and insults.

It's unclear why you want to make this about me. But since you wanted to go there, I'll gladly admit that indeed I do NOT "know way more" than anyone else here.... but I can say with a great deal of confidence that I do have a better grasp on reality than the "let's have a bake-sale" attitude and those who embrace legacy media, and cult-deprogramming, as the be-all and end-all answer to our nation's woes. I also know that the nonstop hammering of the Democratic party doesn't do anything positive, although the GOP certainly welcomes it, I'm sure, since it suppresses votes and support.

But, to each their own... we'll just have to work even harder and raise our voices to be even stronger than the GOP and those who try to denigrate the party. They don't need to follow our lead... but please... I hope they just get out of the way and stop trying to block progress.

Like the saying goes: you do you.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
135. Clap harder. Louder. Faster. 🧚‍♀️
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 08:02 AM
Oct 21

GOTV efforts will benefit Democrats better than "convert a MAGA" and other cult deprogramming efforts. Clearly it's best to put the limited resources where they will make the biggest difference. It's a waste of time to try and "fix" or "save" them. Let's just go for the low hanging easy to reach fruit. For the time and cost of saving one MAGA voter, we could easily get dozens to outnumber him.

But, you do you... I trust that the DNC will make wiser choices and pursue more effective strategies.

QueerDuck

(872 posts)
146. Sadly, in close elections, the "LEAVE IT BLANK" saboteurs in Michigan and New York City had a...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:04 AM
Oct 24

devastating impact. They're just as despicable as MAGA. The treachery cannot be "de-programmed' out of them without investing more time and money than is available. While the numbers of the "Uncommitted" and "Leave-it-Blank" movement were relatively small, in a close election with the last-minute swapping of candidates AND with a short campaign window (as the last one was) this betrayal was enough to sway the EC. Our GOTV effort needs to be strong enough to overcome that type of sabotage.

How did that work out for them in the last election? Did things get better in Gaza? Or is it worse for EVERYONE... their cause... the world... and our nation? Interesting question indeed... how DID that work out in the last election?

Doodley

(11,573 posts)
150. You are completely missing how triggered many MAGA are over Argentina. This is one thing that really pisses them off.
Sun Oct 26, 2025, 05:55 PM
Oct 26

markodochartaigh

(4,897 posts)
56. I think that you are correct.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:14 AM
Oct 20

The Democratic voters don't need to be convinced. The apathetic and ignorant third will only be energized enough to vote when and if they personally feel steep inflation, which will probably become worse next year. At that time they may be susceptible to education on what Trump did to make the inflation worse. They need to be educated right before next year's election or they will forget.
As for the maga third, they won't vote Democratic, the best that can be hoped for is that they stay home. Those farmers and ranchers may be bailed out by Trump before the election anyway.

kacekwl

(8,851 posts)
80. I think people would want to know
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:00 AM
Oct 20

that the president is a Russian asset and a traitor. And that Republicans support this. They may not know and a few ads during dancing with the stars or their local news may get their attention.

Hope22

(4,418 posts)
14. His disgusting treatment of women
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:16 AM
Oct 20

Has unfortunately rubbed offf on multiple generations of US males. Each day we become more invisible. Handmaids Tale is more than thriving in the US.

Hope22

(4,418 posts)
12. Can we agree that he is out of his mind now?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:12 AM
Oct 20

As he drives us deeper and deeper in debt devaluing everything that any of us may still have. Hopeless……

Collimator

(2,073 posts)
13. "Trump: ' Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. . . They are dying.'"
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:15 AM
Oct 20

There have been children in Gaza dying of starvation for months. Did he try to force Netanyahu to allow aid to get to them?

Women are dying from miscarriages in this country on a regular basis. Has he put forth any policy changes to help them?

Over a million Americans have died of Covid. Other than wanting credit for the vaccine, has he used his power-- direct or implied-- to encourage his countrymen to do everything possible to protect themselves?

Half the human race could be dying and he wouldn't give a fuck unless those deaths inconvenienced him in any particular way. Hell, there are people dying in countries RIGHT NOW because he cut off USAID and he doesn't give them a moment's thought.

Ol Janx Spirit

(603 posts)
47. What he was really saying is that billionaires are afraid they will be mere hundred-millionaires if they...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:59 AM
Oct 20

...don't get this bailout from the U.S. Treasury--and that is worse to them than actually "dying."

If Orangeutan ever expresses concern about anything you can bet there's a donor billionaire or donor country not getting what they demand from the situation.

He could not care less about anyone or anything else dying as evidenced by your brief list. It is almost cute that anyone without a hedge fund manager on speed dial would think he cares one whit about them or their situation.

Bengus81

(9,750 posts)
76. The President of Argentina is dying.....from laughing his ASS off
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:45 AM
Oct 20

when the BILLIONS arrive...

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
106. But not as much as Argentine banksters...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:40 PM
Oct 20

(plus of course fly-by-night types like Bessent's pals)

We've seen this movie before: in 2018, when Cheeto arm-twisted the IMF into lending his old pal Macri $45 billion (remember that one?).

Where did all that money go? Why, 80% of it went to finance dollarizing peso assets and offshoring by both local elites and foreign speculators - including JP Morgan, who previously employed the same character who's overseeing the same heist now: Luis Caputo.

But politically, it didn't save Macri's hide back then - and it's not going to work now.

bronxiteforever

(11,062 posts)
18. No, Ukraine is fighting for its life you orange dotard
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:29 AM
Oct 20

The bull from this man is radioactive. He is really bombing the US in shit.

popsdenver

(1,415 posts)
89. WE are fighting for OUR lives here in the U.S.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:22 PM
Oct 20

The trouble is.......that there were/are 70+ Million Voters who are so brainwashed they can't see it..........

It would seem, from EVERYTHING that we have seen, since Jan 20th, that the U.S. Gov't, under Trump and Repubs, that our beloved country, has reached the point of no return.....Every day that passes is more and more frightening......

3825-87867

(1,778 posts)
20. This needs put on EVERY Republican non stop.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:35 AM
Oct 20

Those who say "what's the use?" go somewhere else. We've had enough of "going high", "Let justice take it's course",
or any other head in the sand BS because it DOESN'T AFFECT YOU or you THINK it will cause problems in the future????!
Fuck the Democrats if they will do NOTHING.
TIred of the BS that we'll just get the same assholes voted in. At least they'd be so far "clean" assholes and we can make sure they stay that way.
I'm tired of separate Democratic norms depending on which Democratic DONORS support certain ones becasue it may hurt THERI business.
We don't need concerned letters. We don't need "well, just hang on", we don't need more 70s and 80s and 90s Democratic "concern", handwringing and inaction.
We need them to take aggressive action NOW against ALL Republicans and trump. Other wise primary every god damn one and fuck anyone who thinks we need to step back and be "concerned."

Enough! DO the fucking job Democrats or get the fuck out and let someone else do it!

Get out there and fuck with the media the same way Repubs do.

It's time you started earning OUR MONEY for what WE want and why we elected you!

barbtries

(31,092 posts)
21. so he will spend our tax dollars
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:42 AM
Oct 20

to starve us instead.

#MassiveTaxRevolt #TaxationWithoutRepresentation

riversedge

(79,166 posts)
24. Trump: "The only price we have that's high is beef, and we'll get that down. And one of things we're thinking about doin
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:04 AM
Oct 20

A brave reporter needs to tell him about high grocery prices --to his face!!
But that might end his-her career??

Trump: "The only price we have that's high is beef, and we'll get that down. And one of things we're thinking about doing is beef from Argentina."


littlemissmartypants

(31,407 posts)
25. Characteristics of Psychopaths
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:23 AM
Oct 20

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

littlemissmartypants

(31,407 posts)
75. The most psychologically twisted people on the planet. And therapy will likely NEVER help them. ❤️
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:42 AM
Oct 20

3825-87867

(1,778 posts)
27. Imagine a reporter asking a REAL question?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:28 AM
Oct 20

Now imagine about a hundred "fixed up" press passes and a hundred of us acting as reporters and then getting into one of his addresses! Could it happen? Who knows? Some of the ID's today can be really authentic looking and just maybe good enough to fool the "guards"!
Could be some fun.

Wuddles440

(1,952 posts)
37. They're "dying" because of Milei and...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:41 AM
Oct 20

his authoritarian policies, corruption, and extreme austerity! That's why he's the Orange Felon King's "favorite president" in South America.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,272 posts)
39. The response from, "Maine", is exactly what a soybean farmer said...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:44 AM
Oct 20

... a few weeks ago in an interview. Back when the amount was $20 billion.

"The farmers in Argentina will get their $12 a bushel for soybeans, but I won't".

Bengus81

(9,750 posts)
78. Hey Maine farmers...you voted for the fucker even AFTER he screwed farmers in his first term...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:49 AM
Oct 20

in his first term. When he starts writing all of you MORE subsidy checks you'll of course keep voting Republicant.

Hey Joe

(372 posts)
41. Ann Applebaum explains in her book
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:47 AM
Oct 20

Autocracy Inc. how autocratic governments
support each other in order to strengthen
autocracy around the world.
This is what we are seeing now with this sick twisted fuck. Anyone who thinks this piece of shit cares about American democracy or Americans is an idiot.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,593 posts)
45. Put this condescending shit on a loop
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:50 AM
Oct 20

in every waiting room and diner in the heartland.

Lets see what its like to be a US farmer:
-- Exports cut with the shuttering of USAID - leaving millions in the world to starve
-- Workforce kidnapped and sent to international gulags
-- Exports cut again - this time sending $40b US taxpayer dollars to their competition to Make Argentina Great Again

SO no one to milk the cows, no one to pick the produce, and their customer base is a fraction of what it was. Food and dairy that can't be processed are just being wasted and plowed over while people are lining up at food banks trying to keep their families fed.

When in TF are they going to WAKE UP.

Wednesdays

(21,538 posts)
70. "Put this...on a loop in every waiting room and diner..."
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:14 AM
Oct 20

That's a great idea!

Problem is, the moment it appears, there'll be someone with a remote, changing the channel to Faux Noise.



Prairie_Seagull

(4,588 posts)
46. If memory serves.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:52 AM
Oct 20

Didn't Argentina accept a bunch of fleeing Nazis at the end of WWII?
Interesting.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,588 posts)
67. Thanks Joinfortmill.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:38 AM
Oct 20

Thought so. Wish memory were easier. These days it's better to double check.

Clouds Passing

(6,830 posts)
50. Argentina is where all your high ranking Nazi buddies fled after World War II. So yeah, we get it.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:05 AM
Oct 20

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
72. Not all - not even most.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:30 AM
Oct 20

Most escaped to guess where? The U.S. - where the CIA ferreted in up to 10,000 including dependents.

Many settled in the Carlsbad-Escondido, CA, area - when as late as the 2000s, the "Danish" cafés full of surly old German men played 'Lili Marlene' and some antique stores looked like Third Reich museums.

Worst of all, they (particularly Reinhard Gehlen) had an enormous influence in our national security policy - including on the National Security Act of 1947, which Truman later regretted signing.

It goes without saying they heavily infiltrated the GOP (psy-ops expert Otto von Bolschwing and his protegée Helene von Damm - Reagan's secretary - were two such characters).

And indeed, the few Nazi descendants that I did meet in SoCal were all rabid Republicans.

History is complicated.

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
94. Sure - hundreds. Though our side was much better at recruiting them (understandably)
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:18 PM
Oct 20

Not many Nazis were fine with the idea of being sent to work for the USSR...and under that monster Stalin.

Many others, though, ended up in Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Chile, yes, Argentina - and West Germany itself, where hundreds were hired by their Federal Intelligence Service (and reputedly went on to cause serious problems for them in the '70s).

Nor was the post-war Adenauer administration too uncomfortable with the many former Nazi officials it appointed, or the federal judges it allowed to retain their benches.

I can just imagine those monocle-wearing judges....

"Herr...(rrrr)....Rosenfeld... Kommen sie hier - und mach schnell!!!"

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
142. True. Argentina was always a convenient scapegoat - and above all, distraction.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 01:59 PM
Oct 21

A little like Cheeto and the Epstein files.

"The voters are getting restless over this, sir."

"Uh, uh - send in the troops to L.A....to Chicago...to Portland....Shut down the government....Tear down the East Wing, dammit!!!"

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
99. 'Argentine futures' is almost an oxymoron
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:28 PM
Oct 20

Unless, of course, he knew Uncle Donald would be there to bailout his sorry, STD-infested ass.

Courtesy of Mr. and Mrs. U.S. Taxpayer, naturally.

C_U_L8R

(48,786 posts)
60. Farmers should be outside the White House with pitchforks
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:20 AM
Oct 20

whether they voted for him or not, Trump is devastating their livlihoods. If republicans know what’s in their best interest, Trump has got to go.

turbinetree

(26,919 posts)
65. Why doesn't this traitor set up this game on the plane to show the masses and the feckless media what he is all about...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:35 AM
Oct 20

PuraVidaDreamin

(4,438 posts)
66. What about the high number of US farmers committing suicide
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:36 AM
Oct 20

Because they feel they have failed their family legacy
or can no longer financially support their families
because they thought they could trust you
and didn't believe you would harm them to protect
your pedophilia Mr. president in name only?

viva la

(4,464 posts)
68. His contempt of women reporters is getting to the truly unhinged point.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:52 AM
Oct 20

He HATES when they ask him questions-- sees it as a challenge to his phallic symbol, I guess.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
71. 'I happen to like the president of Argentina."'
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:23 AM
Oct 20

'He's a buddy of mine, like vlad and benjy. Give them a break.'

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
73. The smelly little bastard must distract from Trump's own diaper stench
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:31 AM
Oct 20

Milei spends most of his day in his underpants, high on ketamine, eating junk food, playing with his dogs (including the "ghost" of one) and rage-tweeting. And he rarely bathes.

So the little runt is usually pretty ripe...

muriel_volestrangler

(105,488 posts)
82. Hallucination due to dementia? Purposeful gaslighting?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:06 AM
Oct 20

Here's the current World Bank summary of the Argentinian economy:

In 2024, the economy contracted by 1.7%, reflecting both the recession that began at the end of 2023—caused by the drought and significant accumulated imbalances—and the initial effects of the stabilization program. Nevertheless, economic activity rebounded strongly in the second half of the year and at the start of 2025. Since then, the economy began to slow down in the second quarter and shows signs of stagnation, amid increased electoral uncertainty and external fragility. Starting in September, exchange rate volatility intensified, reflecting the vulnerability of the external sector. For 2025, average GDP growth is estimated at 4.6%, largely explained by the strong growth at the beginning of the year, while for 2026, an expansion of 4% is projected, supported by the consolidation of macroeconomic stability, investment in energy, and a favorable performance in agriculture under benign weather conditions.

Since December 2023, Javier Milei’s administration has implemented a stabilization program based on a strong correction of the fiscal and external deficit, the realignment of relative prices, and the reduction of monetary imbalance. Among the main achievements are the primary fiscal surplus reached for the first time in years—while simultaneously strengthening transfers to vulnerable households—and the sustained reduction of monthly inflation, which fell from 25% in December 2023 to around 2% in August 2025, contributing to a decrease in poverty.

In April 2025, the government initiated an Extended Fund Facility (EFF) program with the IMF, as part of an international effort together with the World Bank Group and the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) to support the reform path that Argentina is implementing and help the country foster long-term growth and employment opportunities. Argentina received an initial disbursement of US$12 billion from the IMF and US$1.5 billion from the World Bank to support measures accompanying the reform agenda, protect the most vulnerable, and promote private investment. In August, the Fund approved the first review of the program, releasing another US$2 billion, despite the failure to meet the reserve accumulation target.

Last Updated: Oct 07, 2025

https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/argentina/overview

Since 7th Oct, the peso has declined all of 2.2% against the dollar.

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
100. Und to ze United Shhtates!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:41 PM
Oct 20

Operation Paperclip brought in at least 2,000 - and up to 10,000 including dependents and others.

Many ended up in Escondido, CA - where some of the antique stores look like Third Reich museums.

Some - like Reinhard Gehlen and Otto von Bolschwing - helped shape what became the CIA, as well as unconstitutional bills like the National Security Act of 1947 (which, as Gehlen advised, would put intelligence above the law).

Truman later regretted signing that bill of goods.

But then, small wonder - considering what the Bush family had been up to with Nazi money, even as early as 1927.

Deep State Witch

(12,532 posts)
120. I Remember My Grandfather
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:44 PM
Oct 20

My Grandfather came here after WWI with his half-sisters and one half-brother. He had another half-brother who stayed in what's now Romania. The half-brother was then conscripted into the SS "Prince Eugene" brigade, which the Nazis used to subjugate the Balkans. In the late 1960's, I remember my GF trying to get his half-brother into the US from Germany. My dad and his siblings all told him that was a really bad idea.

GiqueCee

(3,302 posts)
86. So, Mushroomdick...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:28 AM
Oct 20

... whatever happened to "AMERICA FIRST"? You've betrayed this country at every turn. Those mental defectives that still support you deserve whatever fate befalls them. The rest of us do not.

ToxMarz

(2,725 posts)
90. Trump probably likes to keep good relationship with these authoritarian strong man regimes
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:36 PM
Oct 20

On the prospect that one day it becomes neccessary for him to beat a hasty retreat from the United States for some 'unforeseeable' reason (impeachment, failure to remain in power in perpetuity, facing acccountability for his unconstitutonal actions). Sanctuary countries if you will.

Sogo

(6,949 posts)
91. The USAID countries are fighting for their lives, too....
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:38 PM
Oct 20

Why don't you care about them, Donald?

Cherokee100

(428 posts)
92. If memory serves me
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:44 PM
Oct 20

If my memory serves me well, wasn't Argentina a major sanctuary for the Nazis, after WW2. Seems I read that somewhere. Could there be a connection there?

peppertree

(23,105 posts)
108. They and the U.S. both - but here's something much more recent: Trump's 2018 Argentina bailout!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:46 PM
Oct 20

We've seen this movie before: in 2018, when Cheeto arm-twisted the IMF into lending his old pal Macri $45 billion (remember that one?).

Where did all that money go?

Why, 80% of it went to finance offshoring by both local elites and foreign speculators - including JP Morgan, who employed the same character who's overseeing the same heist now: Luis Caputo.

Bessent's pals are just trying to do the same thing JP Morgan, Vanguard and Franklin Templeton did: Earn outsized interest % in Argentina, then use borrowed dollars to dollarize and offshore.

But politically, it didn't save Macri's hide back then - and it's not going to work now.

Akakoji

(469 posts)
97. This is honestly so funny
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:24 PM
Oct 20

I can’t believe he would even suggest this publicly! This is riotous. All to please the owner of most of Florida and an Argentinian super billionaire. I guess fukk Texas y’all!

jmowreader

(52,863 posts)
112. I am going to assume...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 04:00 PM
Oct 20

...that hiring Dr. Thomas Piketty and Dr. Paul Krugman to go down there and unfuck the Argentine economy is out of the question. If they leave the people they have down there screwing up the whole thing in charge they are going to get the same results they always have, and austerity isn't going to fix shit.

Initech

(107,240 posts)
113. No it is not! Javier Milei and his fascist goons are looting the treasury!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 04:03 PM
Oct 20

And he's giving them more billions!

blue_jay

(178 posts)
114. Worst example of condescension and /or mansplaining I've ever seen...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 04:26 PM
Oct 20

and how about a little gaslighting to boot. What a jackbooted, self dealing, real estate stealing bone spurs for brains.

I heard we'd only need $20B to fund the ACA they are closing down the govt about, wonder where we might find that?

Not to mention helping anyone else here in our country.

Jacson6

(1,734 posts)
116. Argentina is fighting for it's life becuz a chain saw waving Libertarian is it's prez.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 04:36 PM
Oct 20

DJT is not the brightest bulb in the room.

pat_k

(12,663 posts)
117. But the 250,000 deaths per month his decimation USAID is responsible for are just hunky dory?!?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 05:26 PM
Oct 20

There are no fucking words to capture the horror and heartbreak.

Keep on doing the work. Spread this response, and remind people of the incredible cost in life, and danger to our national security (as China moves to fill the void) of his war on international aid that has had bipartisan since US AID was created in 1961.

Note: The estimate is based on the projection of 14 million deaths by 2030 if the aid is not restored.
14000000÷4÷12 = 291,666

Mblaze

(916 posts)
118. Trump was a big reason that the Argentinian currency crashed
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 05:59 PM
Oct 20

He said, regarding Milei and a $20 billion gift to Argentina, "We think he's going to win. He should win, and if he does win, we're going to be very helpful. If he doesn't win, we're not going to waste our time." The Argentine market and currency fell at that my-way-or-the-highway message. That's why they added the $20 billion currency swap.

Bessent's old investment group, Blackrock, and a couple other American investment groups invested heavily in Milei and Argentina. Milei failed miserably so this bailout also lets Blackrock et al off the hook.

kimbutgar

(26,672 posts)
119. I wonder how much he's getting in kickbacks or receiving money in an offshore accounts?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:25 PM
Oct 20

Americans are suffering and he’s spending our taxpayer money to help a country that he has no business helping. Thousands of federal employees are out of jobs, food snap program being discontinued but he’s got money for Argentina while screwing over our soybean, cattle and other farmers. Why isn’t there more anger about this money being spent?

red dog 1

(32,339 posts)
121. "Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady."
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 06:46 PM
Oct 20

Retort to President Cankles: "Look, thanks to you, America is fighting for ITS life, old man."

So Trump Sets Tariffs driving China to buy soybeans from Argentina (zero order w/U.S.).

Trump bails out Argentina with a BILLION DOLLAR bailout.

Trump decides the U.S. will buy beef from Argentina, regardless of disease history, upsetting American cattle ranchers. 1/2

Argentina Is Making Out!

KindLivesMatter (@bekindforthefuture.bsky.social) 2025-10-20T22:58:24.066Z

Dem4life1970

(1,039 posts)
125. Make Argentina Great Again!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 07:51 PM
Oct 20

Argentina First!

Hopefully this will open the eyes of some of his cult members. Fingers crossed.

calimary

(88,856 posts)
127. OUR farmers are fighting for their own survival, right HERE.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 08:16 PM
Oct 20

And we’re all quite certain what the bottom line here is.

MY bottom line wants to know if we really have to wait another three-and-some years to get rid of this greedy, dishonest, duplicitous jerk.

I wish we weren’t stuck with him for that long. Hard to imagine what kind of damage, and how much of it that he can do until then.

Takket

(23,429 posts)
147. So if "fighting for their life" means they deserve 40 billion...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:21 AM
Oct 24

Then when does Gaza get 40 billion?

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