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Trump sharing allies' intel with the Russians. (Original Post) applegrove Oct 20 OP
Are any of us here surprised in the least? kysrsoze Oct 20 #1
It doesn't surprise me. What I am disappointed in is the total republican congress not doing anything about it. OLDMDDEM Oct 20 #2
Not only are they not doing anything about this, notinkansas Oct 20 #16
And they are SUPPORTING it!! lastlib Oct 20 #49
The Russians hacking everything during the run-up to 2016 helped. pandr32 Oct 20 #35
Will it hurt them? Unfortunately, these people are so ingrained into the cult that they don't think anything of it. Escurumbele Oct 20 #37
Exactly. markodochartaigh Oct 20 #53
Ain't gonna be any future fair elections, so no reason to be concerned. chicoescuela Oct 20 #67
Zero. Not at all. News of massive data flow between Sverbank and Trump campaign HQ came out before 2016 election lostnfound Oct 20 #3
Has anything more been made public about the tRump server communicating with Russia? groundloop Oct 20 #27
Could we have charged dumpie with treason over that? KS Toronado Oct 20 #34
Ask Merrick Garland. He'll tell you all about it paleotn Oct 20 #44
Yea Merrick tell us how you went after dumpie KS Toronado Oct 20 #46
"Every person is equal under the law." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 21 #69
the documents case was brought. rampartd Oct 20 #62
Nope. nt Susan Calvin Oct 20 #42
Anybody who is surprised has not been paying attention... Wounded Bear Oct 20 #4
Ditto. ... littlemissmartypants Oct 20 #20
Very good list. I would change #17 to "Lacks a sense of consequences". I don't think their concept of consequences Escurumbele Oct 20 #41
Not surprised because I have been paying attention for 60 years dwayneb Oct 20 #43
... 2naSalit Oct 20 #5
Not surprising but, of course that doesn't make it any less lethal peggysue2 Oct 20 #6
Well stated, peggysue2. democrank Oct 20 #32
but, but, Mr.Bee Oct 20 #7
I would be surprised that any ally's sharing of intel with us continued after Nov of 2024. Scalded Nun Oct 20 #8
The actual article is paywalled - here is a link. rog Oct 20 #9
Is this Tulsi or Trump? iemanja Oct 20 #10
He probably has her do the actual work, since he's too lazy & stupid to do it himself FoxNewsSucks Oct 20 #21
Yup. Tulsi only has skills to be a DNI funnel to Putin. SunSeeker Oct 20 #54
Elon and China are another dark chapter. rubbersole Oct 20 #30
Treasonous Repulicans everywhere Champp Oct 20 #11
Exactly. MoseShrute Oct 20 #31
Of course he is. We have to pound kacekwl Oct 20 #12
I understood that our NATO allies knew that. I'd heard they weren't sharing everything with us because they liberalla Oct 20 #13
I think most other countries popsdenver Oct 20 #40
Maybe it doesn't qualify aas treason (yet), but it should! KPN Oct 20 #14
Impeach remove and execute theis fucker. 617Blue Oct 20 #15
Despite the narrow interpretation... GiqueCee Oct 20 #17
Well, If That's Not Treason Deep State Witch Oct 20 #18
Been saying it since 2016 - Trump is a RUSSIAN ASSET! Grins Oct 20 #19
Republicans have already been told 3825-87867 Oct 20 #22
That's crazy Renew Deal Oct 20 #23
Our worst fears realized. The United States, under Republicans, has become a Russian dominion. ffr Oct 20 #24
I did not see that coming ... aggiesal Oct 20 #25
It's a lot worse on the world stage than it is here in the USA. ananda Oct 20 #26
should be huge front page news in MSM outlets. nt wiggs Oct 20 #28
We are now part of the 'Axis'... Joinfortmill Oct 20 #29
Again? no_hypocrisy Oct 20 #33
MAGA MissouriDem47 Oct 20 #36
Nyet. Kid Berwyn Oct 20 #38
I'm actually surprised that the Dutch let this leak out ... aggiesal Oct 20 #39
But as long as they haven't cancelled BaronChocula Oct 20 #45
Traitor Trump. Traitor Johnson. Traitor Gabbard. Lots of Russian assets in the Trump administration. SunSeeker Oct 20 #47
KGB/FSB agents have always found good prospects among conservatives Warpy Oct 20 #48
I did not know that. Interesting. applegrove Oct 20 #51
There's a reason Maria Butina screwed her way up the conservative food chain Warpy Oct 20 #59
LOL nt blue_jay Oct 20 #63
These concerns are nothing new. I'm sure Allied intel services have been aware of Trump's Russia ties since the 80's. ChicagoTeamster Oct 20 #50
No one should trust Dump with intel, not even his own country. mdbl Oct 20 #52
RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA Mossfern Oct 20 #55
Is anyone really surprised? kentuck Oct 20 #56
The lamp posts along Pennsylvania should be decorated with Traitors in cages. BurnDoubt Oct 20 #57
The only surprise is how obvious and amateurish Dump and his henchmen are. Eugene Oct 20 #58
In defense of what used to be known as the Free World, I hope our former allies are feeding him garbage Hekate Oct 20 #60
any ally that tells trump any real intelligence rampartd Oct 20 #61
Julius Seizure announced a CIA op in Venezuela Hassler Oct 20 #64
JHFC orangecrush Oct 20 #65
Krasnov is both a traitor and a Russian ASSet. Dem4life1970 Oct 20 #66
sigh. traitor in chief. AllaN01Bear Oct 21 #68
With tRump, all roads lead to Putin. Mc Mike Oct 21 #70

kysrsoze

(6,406 posts)
1. Are any of us here surprised in the least?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:55 AM
Oct 20

I figured it’s been happening since he took office in 2016. Big question… will the for all intents and purposes state-run media even pick up on it? You can bet Bari Weiss will squash this at CBS.

OLDMDDEM

(3,000 posts)
2. It doesn't surprise me. What I am disappointed in is the total republican congress not doing anything about it.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:10 AM
Oct 20

This will hurt them in another year. Yes, the public has a short memory, but the lasting effect of what is happening now will reverberate well past next year.

notinkansas

(1,294 posts)
16. Not only are they not doing anything about this,
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:57 AM
Oct 20

they aren't doing anything about anything. No matter how egregious his actions are.

lastlib

(27,407 posts)
49. And they are SUPPORTING it!!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:06 PM
Oct 20

Or maybe the correct phrasing is "aiding and abetting it". Enabling it by not impeaching/removing the basturd certainly puts a lie to the idea that repuglikans care about national security

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pandr32

(13,731 posts)
35. The Russians hacking everything during the run-up to 2016 helped.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:04 PM
Oct 20

Especially the fact they hacked into the RNC, Republican campaigns at every level(2015-16), and other Republican strongholds like the NRA (2021).
They have plenty of dirt. There are also corruptible Republicans who have been rewarded in some way, and also--there is the Mob. We are talking local and international (who operate quite freely here).
So, what we have is a group of Congresspeople (R) who are compromised or under threat for themselves or family--or both compromised and under threat.
Since Donald's first term we have watched the most unqualified people ever running for office or being appointed to various offices, committees, departments, and judgeships.

Escurumbele

(4,001 posts)
37. Will it hurt them? Unfortunately, these people are so ingrained into the cult that they don't think anything of it.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:10 PM
Oct 20

I have a friend who, although she claims she doesn't like trump, she always has something to excuse his stupidities and crimes, so no, I don't think they care, they seem to be on cloud nine watching everything get destroyed by these thugs.

I hope you are right, and you could be because the one thing even deplorables react to is high costs, less jobs, which is happening at high speed.

I have always said it, and people do not seem to understand, destroying is easy, building/creating is difficult, and takes time, reason why the USA is going to be in a very hard place when the thugs are taken out from office, the rebuilding process will take time.

markodochartaigh

(4,888 posts)
53. Exactly.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:12 PM
Oct 20

And the US will have to rebuild with a much weaker dollar, a badly damaged international reputation, and a weakened government.

groundloop

(13,548 posts)
27. Has anything more been made public about the tRump server communicating with Russia?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:46 AM
Oct 20

I was thinking about this just a few days ago and couldn't find any more information than this. I'm guessing this is one of those dirty little secrets that will never see the light of day.

KS Toronado

(22,842 posts)
34. Could we have charged dumpie with treason over that?
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:03 PM
Oct 20

Seems like we should have been able to. Maybe we need to be asking our elected Ds what
they are doing about that, and yes I know that's water under the bridge as some say.

KS Toronado

(22,842 posts)
46. Yea Merrick tell us how you went after dumpie
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:54 PM
Oct 20

for the hundreds of UN-AMERICAN crapola he pulled. .

69. "Every person is equal under the law."
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 09:20 AM
Oct 21

He stopped saying that once Trump became a person of interest.

rampartd

(3,535 posts)
62. the documents case was brought.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:49 PM
Oct 20

and quashed by krasnov's judges. trump, or a stunt double or ai avatar or his head in a bottle will be president for many of our short brutal lives.

unless of course he wanders too close to a kremlin window.

Wounded Bear

(63,748 posts)
4. Anybody who is surprised has not been paying attention...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:14 AM
Oct 20

A statement I have posted far too many times since 2016.

littlemissmartypants

(31,362 posts)
20. Ditto. ...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:12 AM
Oct 20

I've been trying to tell people that he's a psychopath for going on ten years. I'm close to exhausted.

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

Escurumbele

(4,001 posts)
41. Very good list. I would change #17 to "Lacks a sense of consequences". I don't think their concept of consequences
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:16 PM
Oct 20

is "Distorted", they just don't think there are any consequences from their criminal actions.

In 2015 I was driving back home, the guy on the radio asked "One short phrase on why you think trump should not become president"...I was driving and could not call, not even stop to call because they guy gave something like three minutes, but the first thought that came to my mind was "His lack of understanding that actions have consequences", and to me, from all the awful character attributes the convicted felon has, that is the worst.

dwayneb

(1,102 posts)
43. Not surprised because I have been paying attention for 60 years
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:43 PM
Oct 20

At least since I became politically aware as a kid. Anyone with half a brain should have seen this coming. Of course seeing it coming and having a solid plan to do anything about it is another story. I wish I had been more politically active as a young man, but even with our best efforts we could not have changed the basic fragility of our government. The founders set us on this path, it was just a matter of time.

peggysue2

(12,368 posts)
6. Not surprising but, of course that doesn't make it any less lethal
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:37 AM
Oct 20

Trump shared intel with Foreign Minister Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Kislyak in 2017 in THE OVAL OFFICE. He stole classified documents at the end of his first term and carried them down to Mar-a-Lago. God only knows how much classified information he's spilled to our enemies.

He's a frigging traitor whose only allegiance is to money and his own personal influence and power.

Our safety and the safety of the country is being compromised everyday this dumbass is in office. He's willing to isolate the US from our allies and compromise them in a heartbeat.

Little wonder the Dutch have pulled the plug.

democrank

(12,056 posts)
32. Well stated, peggysue2.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:00 PM
Oct 20

It’s safe to assume that if it’s anti-America, Trump is doing it.

rog

(911 posts)
9. The actual article is paywalled - here is a link.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:45 AM
Oct 20

The article is also in Dutch. My browser (Firefox on Linux) auto-translated to English. It's a long article -- here is an excerpt (in English) that pertains to US-Dutch relations. It's a bit fractured because it's computer translation, but you get the idea.

Edited to add that the entire interview is very interesting and very in depth.

https://archive.is/20251020141916/https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/nederlandse-diensten-delen-minder-informatie-met-de-vs-soms-vertellen-we-dingen-niet-meer~b4882f19/

As this comes to Europe, the US is rapidly moving towards an autocracy. US President Donald Trump is deploying the military against his own people. Judges' rulings are ignored. The head of wiretapping service NSA was fired for not being loyal enough.

Reesink: ‘To great sorrow on our side. We knew the man well.”
Is it still justified to continue the intensive sharing of intelligence with the US on the same footing?
Reesink: ‘We visited the CIA and NSA a few months ago. Also with my own wonder: how is it going in the workplace? I am positively reassured there again. The tires are good and will stay good. This is without prejudice to us regularly weighing this cooperation.’

What is the conclusion when it comes to, for example, sharing intelligence about Russia, of which it is not certain what the US will do with it?

Reesink: ‘That’s being weighed.’

Are you more reluctant to share certain information?

Reesink: ‘I can’t go into what that relationship is like now compared to this. But that we make that trade-off and sometimes don’t tell things anymore, that’s true.’

That's a striking breakup. What has been the most important change?

Akerboom: ‘We do not judge what we see politically, but we look at our experiences with the services. And we are very keen on politicizing our intelligence and on violating human rights.”
What does it mean for practice if there are risks in these areas?
Akerboom: ‘Sometimes you have to start thinking about case by case: can I still share this information or not?’

FoxNewsSucks

(11,479 posts)
21. He probably has her do the actual work, since he's too lazy & stupid to do it himself
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:17 AM
Oct 20

As long as he gets his cut, Krasnov doesn't give a damn.

SunSeeker

(57,433 posts)
54. Yup. Tulsi only has skills to be a DNI funnel to Putin.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:15 PM
Oct 20

Krasnov put Tulsi Gabbard in charge of all our intelligence, for which she is completely unqualified except that she's a likely Russian agent.

Tulsi Gabbard’s history with Russia is even more concerning than you think
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-russian-connection-dni-trump-syria-b2692244.html

kacekwl

(8,850 posts)
12. Of course he is. We have to pound
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:52 AM
Oct 20

this hard on Republicans.They are supporting a Russian asset and traitor. They can and must stop him now. Enough about trump go to the ones who enable this criminal and let them know what they are doing. Ask them outright do you support Russia and Putin or do you stand with America ? Make them own it.

liberalla

(10,777 posts)
13. I understood that our NATO allies knew that. I'd heard they weren't sharing everything with us because they
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:53 AM
Oct 20

knew rump couldn't be trusted.

Who is surprised by this?

popsdenver

(1,413 posts)
40. I think most other countries
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:13 PM
Oct 20

quit sharing their intel with the U.S. way way back during Trump's first occupation of the White House.

I would bet, that when Jared went down to the Saudi's and delivered a briefcase to them, it contained our intel on the Military /Defense of the U.S. and ALL the countries that shared their Military/Defense intelligence information..........Why else would they have literally "gifted" him TWO BILLION DOLLARS ??????? Of course, I imagine Trump also supplied all of that, on a continuing basis to Putin for free......and updated it when he skulked back into office the second time.....
Once before, Jared had gone down with a briefcase of information and returned with a 150 MILLION dollar loan he desperately needed to bail out one of his disastrous real estate investments.......It was said he tipped off the head of the Saudi gov't info about the journalist they sawed up when they conned him into traveling from the U.S. back over there........It was also said that it contained a list of the Saudi Royal family members that were not loyal..........and they soon disappeared?

I am not sure that even when Biden got back in office, that the countries would share their intel with us........ever again, given what was going on in the U.S.

Not sure what exactly is going on with this Argentina shit, and Venezuela shit..........What I do know is that Putin and Trump are both EXTREMELY interested in Venezuela, because they have the worlds greatest oil reserves in the world, even ahead of Russia and the Saudi's.......which gives reason to be suspicious.........

GiqueCee

(3,289 posts)
17. Despite the narrow interpretation...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:00 AM
Oct 20

... of treason as outlined in the Constitution, this kind of shit has to be treasonous on some level. That evil fuck cannot be allowed to get away with this!
When he goes down, and he deserves to go down HARD, every MAGA weaseldick will be packing a go-bag and booking an open ticket to someplace with no extradition treaty, because he's going to take every Republican enabler down with him. No mercy, and NO forgiveness. And cancel Russell Vought's passport. Close EVERY escape route for that evil fuck. Same goes for Nosferatu Miller.

Grins

(9,209 posts)
19. Been saying it since 2016 - Trump is a RUSSIAN ASSET!
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:02 AM
Oct 20

And has been since 1987. They are his financial backers - and his “owners.” And every allied intelligence organization KNOWS IT!

3825-87867

(1,774 posts)
22. Republicans have already been told
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:23 AM
Oct 20

by this administration there'll be NO 2026 elections so they feel safe and that they will keep their seats. Not only that, but they probably have been offered a piece of our tax money to kiss his ass. That's why they don't care.

ffr

(23,322 posts)
24. Our worst fears realized. The United States, under Republicans, has become a Russian dominion.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:32 AM
Oct 20

Good job you minority of Americans who fell, once again, for a convicted felon and Russian asset. You fucked around and we'll all be paying the price for this detour from progress for the rest of our lives..the end of which may now be sooner than you think.

IDIOTS!

ananda

(34,292 posts)
26. It's a lot worse on the world stage than it is here in the USA.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 11:38 AM
Oct 20

Here Trump and all his other malignant idiots have enablers
and a fuckload of money behind them.

But on the world stage they're utterly clueless and inept.

aggiesal

(10,513 posts)
39. I'm actually surprised that the Dutch let this leak out ...
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:12 PM
Oct 20

Usually, intelligence agencies, when they know that someone is leaking classified information to an adversary, they start feeding fake intel to the unsuspecting leaker, to manipulate the adversary, until they figure it out it's fake intel.

Things that make you go hmmm.

BaronChocula

(3,957 posts)
45. But as long as they haven't cancelled
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 12:45 PM
Oct 20

Last edited Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

mixed martial arts and the Real Housewives tv series, we'll be fine.

(I love America. I can't stand Americans)

SunSeeker

(57,433 posts)
47. Traitor Trump. Traitor Johnson. Traitor Gabbard. Lots of Russian assets in the Trump administration.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:03 PM
Oct 20

Warpy

(114,360 posts)
48. KGB/FSB agents have always found good prospects among conservatives
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:05 PM
Oct 20

while finding it impossible to turn American lefties.

That should tell you a lot about both our countries.

Warpy

(114,360 posts)
59. There's a reason Maria Butina screwed her way up the conservative food chain
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:41 PM
Oct 20

instead of trying to tackle amy of the remaining leftist organizations.

Conservatives are suckers. All you have to do is tell them they're special and they're hooked.

ChicagoTeamster

(364 posts)
50. These concerns are nothing new. I'm sure Allied intel services have been aware of Trump's Russia ties since the 80's.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:07 PM
Oct 20

Don't you think that with Reagan and Bush in the White house the CIA didn't share intel on Trump with our NATO partners when he came back from Russia and ran the anti-NATO ads in US newspapers?

Mossfern

(4,596 posts)
55. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:21 PM
Oct 20

EPSTEIN
EPSTEIN
EPSTEIN

Those are Trump's very words when he complains about the TRUTH.
Kinda like saying Beetlejuice, Beetljuice, ..... (not taking any chances here)

Eugene

(66,728 posts)
58. The only surprise is how obvious and amateurish Dump and his henchmen are.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:33 PM
Oct 20

It's not as if Dolt45 didn't share codeword protected information during his first mal-administration.

If he also shared secrets with Kim Jong-un, that would be something new.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
60. In defense of what used to be known as the Free World, I hope our former allies are feeding him garbage
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 01:49 PM
Oct 20

rampartd

(3,535 posts)
61. any ally that tells trump any real intelligence
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:41 PM
Oct 20

deserves whatever happens to them.

the play is "tell him what he wants to hear or what you want putin to know., but never anything important.

Hassler

(4,735 posts)
64. Julius Seizure announced a CIA op in Venezuela
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 04:17 PM
Oct 20

So he's certainly stupid enough. He's also corrupt, and wants to make money, so he's no doubt in some way selling it to Vlad.

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