Just hear me out, what if he's not just in the Epstein files

[303squadron]

But actually a part of the trafficking ring. He ran the Rump Modeling Agency and owned the Miss Teen America Pagent.

That might explain why the Pharisee Speaker of the House is trying so hard to stop information from coming out.

And we all know he’ll do anything for a buck!

[Irish_Dem]

1. Of course he was part of the business.

It is hard to imagine Trump watching Epstein rake in millions and millions of dollars
pimping out young girls, and Trump not wanting a piece of the action.

And yes of course. Trump had the endless supply of beautiful teenage girls.

[Botany]

14. Of course he was part of the Epstein/Putin* international child sex trafficking operation.

His modeling try outs, beauty pageants, money laundering through his real estate properties, in
using his plane to fly the underage girls around, gathering kompromat, and blackmail were all part
of business and Don was smack in the middle of it. I wouldn’t be surprised that Grindr Mike Johnson
had kompromat gathered on him too.

* lots of the girls for the sex trafficking came from Russia and Eastern Europe.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Exactly.

Putin is the richest man in the world, in part due to his large drug and sex trafficking operation. Epstein was a part of it. We know Trump was connected to both Epstein and Putin and watched them make fortunes.

Yes the money was laundered in various ways, including reputable banks. Blackmail, sex and drug trafficking. Huge "loans" to Trump and promises of political election rigging.

Oh yes, many of the members of Congress are on the list.
They are not protecting Trump.
They are protecting themselves.

[Botany]

33. Trump being installed as President in 2016 was part of the biggest criminal enterprise in the history of ..

.. the world and Putin is the Godfather. Putin and Musk are buddies too.

Russia proposes 'Putin-Trump Tunnel' with Elon Musk's help to connect nations under Bering Strait

The plan calls for a 70-mile rail and cargo tunnel to be built by Elon Musk’s Boring Company within eight years at a projected cost of $8 billion. The project, Dmitriev said, would be funded by Moscow and "international partners."

"The dream of a U.S.–Russia link via the Bering Strait reflects an enduring vision — from the 1904 Siberia–Alaska railway to Russia’s 2007 plan," Dmitriev wrote on X, formerly Twitter. "RDIF has studied existing proposals, including the U.S.–Canada–Russia–China railroad, and will support the most viable."

The proposal came after President Donald Trump reportedly spoke by phone with Putin and agreed to meet in Budapest to discuss ways to end the war in Ukraine.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-proposes-putin-trump-tunnel-elon-musks-help-connect-nations-bering-strait

[RazorbackExpat]

72. Putin had previously proposed building an undersea tunnel

between Sakhalin Island and Japan's Hokkaido island, but Japan said, Thanks, but no thanks

[yellow dahlia]

85. Installed, not elected - twice.

The rewards they are all reaping is proof of their investment.

Who benefits? And how much?

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Isn't it time to connect the dots? Want the victims to speak in an open forum and the money to be followed. Justice?

[Irish_Dem]

31. There are so many dots already connected. People don't want to see it.

That is how humans are.
Avoiding painful reality.

A good portion of our elected leaders are sexual predators and deviants.

[malaise]

39. Across the planet to boot

and for the record not just politicians - almost every institution and business.

[Irish_Dem]

41. Exactly. The rich and powerful can have whatever they want.

They can get all the consensual sex they want.
They can hire the best hookers in the world.

But they want more.
They want to beat up and rape children.
For fun.

[malaise]

43. Precisely

Precisely and they cover up for one another.

[Irish_Dem]

44. And can pay huge sums of money to keep others quiet.

[yellow dahlia]

83. Yes.

For those of us who consider connecting the dots one of our favorite hobbies, it is frustrating that others want to bury their heads in the sand.

[Irish_Dem]

88. Pattern analysis is a recognizable human skill.

From AI:

Pattern analysis or connecting dots is the process of identifying meaningful relationships between seemingly unrelated pieces of information to gain a deeper understanding or solve a problem.

It can be used in various contexts, from a detective solving a case by linking evidence to a scientist analyzing complex data to find patterns, or even in daily life when synthesizing information to make a conclusion. The phrase "connecting dots" is a metaphor for analytical thinking, problem-solving, and making sense of complex situations.

All of my hobbies involve pattern analysis. I love to solve mysteries and human puzzles.
Adoption searches, identification via DNA, genealogy, genetic geology, cold case reviews, etc etc.

[yellow dahlia]

82. Yes!

[BComplex]

37. Plus he had thousands of boys and girls in cages at the border in Texas, Arizona, and

gawd knows where else that went unaccounted for. Putin knows trump like a book. There are people who own trump with what they know about him, and he owns them.

It's time to TRULY take out the trash, not just in this country, but in the world.

[Irish_Dem]

40. Exactly. I suspect the pretty kids went to the sex trafficking ring.

The rest got sold for other purposes.

I have actually had people argue with me that Trump made sure all the kids
got good homes. And the social workers were doing their best.
This is from liberal folks!

They cannot face what must have happened to those children.

Putin played Trump like a violin.
And pulled off the greatest crime of the 21st century.
The destruction of the oldest and greatest democracy in the history of the world.
And he didn't fire a shot.

Putin is an evil genius.

[yellow dahlia]

84. Exactly.

All one has to ask is:
Who benefits?

[Irish_Dem]

87. Yep. Asking who benefits and how answers a lot of questions.

[rurallib]

2. I shared such a scenario with some close friends a couple of weeks ago

because I think that is what is so important to Trump. Certainly would fit with him mode of operation - he always wants a piece of the action.

[Danascot]

71. Besides Epstein

There was John Casablancas, an American modeling agent and scout who founded Elite Model Management. Trump and Epstein knew that Casablancas was trafficking young women (girls) and sampling the merchandise.

I think there was another guy, a European, maybe French, who ran a similar operation. I can't recall his name at the moment.

I definitely think Trump saw other people doing it and decided he could do it too using his pageants and his modelling agency as intake.

[Trueblue1968]

102. I guess " he sampled ". 15,000 young eople

[tinrobot]

3. Not much of a "what if" there. More like an "of course."

It's already established that Epstein got Giuffre from Trump. The fact that he had modeling agencies and pageants filled with teen girls makes the possibility of a bigger pipeline pretty likely.

[multigraincracker]

9. Didn't he say Epstein stole his towel girl from his club?

[Amaryllis]

107. Yes he did.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Very possible. Probability? I don't know. . . . nt

[mercuryblues]

5. That is what I have been saying for months

The 3 of them handled different aspects.

trump found them, Maxwell groomed them, Epstein sold them.

I also believe they had a boss, telling them who to target for blackmail purposes. If not, then they took "orders" from various big wigs wanting dirt on someone and the 3 Pedoteers made it happen. I also believe some of their victims never made it off the island alive.

[2naSalit]

13. Same here...

Everything you said.

And I'll bet there's so much more.

[Ocelot II]

6. I think he's part of the financial network that was profiting from Epstein's trafficking.

A lot of people seem to think he was regularly having sex with young girls, but I don't think that's why he's in the files. There might have been some of that on the very down-low, but aside from his hard-on for his daughter, Trump's itch always seems to have been attractive, young but adult women whom he can show off in public. Arm candy, crass but legal. The illegal involvement with Epstein is almost certainly the ill-gotten gains derived from trafficking girls from foreign countries to Pedo Island, and related money-laundering to hide the origins of the money. This will have been concealed in layers of businesses and real estate transactions, which would explain why the victims themselves haven't ratted on Trump. Most of them didn't even see him, and they certainly had no knowledge of the financial deals. Follow the money.

[Wednesdays]

18. TSF always had an appetite for money.

Even more than for young women or girls.

[JHB]

26. I think that's also part of why he's escaped prosecution for so long

There are several intelligence agencies in various countries that could benefit from having kompromat on rich people around the world.

[allegorical oracle]

35. Yep. Trump was a procurer, along with Maxwell. He brags bigly about his libido, but figure

he was mostly just enjoying the cashflow. Those inflatable costumes remind me of trump. Just a big, funny looking airbag.

[TBF]

45. Agree - and I'll bet it was always off the books

he never did release his taxes, and I'm sure they've been buried somewhere on the golf course by now

[FakeNoose]

61. Yes I believe this is closer to the truth

Let's not forget that Chump "inherited" a thriving family real estate business so he didn't need to be pimping on the side. His parents were still alive in the 80's and 90's and he wouldn't have been interested in human trafficking, not like Epstein was apparently doing.

On the other hand, Chump could very well have benefitted from Jeffrey's services in other ways, such as introducing a small number of interested male clients, etc. to Jeffrey. It was a case of one hand washes the other, (wink, wink) rather than a formal business relationship with Epstein.

The financial records of Jeffrey Epstein won't show money changing hands between them, but the emails, photos or other documents will show that Chump's and Jeffrey's interests were closely aligned for several years. That's my guess anyway.

[BComplex]

91. Nope. His grandfather evidently had a hand in prostituting girls and women.

This is a family business.

[uponit7771]

69. Yep, ** TRUMP KNEW** IE money he made off the house the Russians bought for example

[Johnny2X2X]

7. China licensing

During Trump's first term, he got licensing for Trump brand escort services and Trump brand massage parlors in China.

His grandfather was a pimp in the Old West.

So yeah, I think it's safe to say Trump is very familiar with buying and selling girls for sex. I mean, Epstein introduced him to his own wife.

[BattleRow]

25. I've always wondered if drug smuggling was involved.

[Johonny]

8. Trump is a criminal that committed crimes

He is a convicted felon already. We know of several clear crimes he got away with. Good knows throughout his life how many more shitty crimes he's done. Probably hundreds. He is a career criminal.

[vapor2]

10. I do NOT doubt he is more involved per David Cay Johnston

[FM123]

11. Yep.

I remember this Medium article from a few months ago, very eye opening.

Link: https://thegoodage.medium.com/modeling-was-the-machine-epstein-was-just-the-middleman-3b5f37e1e49f


Snips:

Forget Epstein. Forget even Maxwell. If you want to understand how elite sex trafficking truly operated — not as a scandal but as a system — you start with the modeling agencies.

In the late 20th century, John Casablancas (founder of Elite Model Management) built the original model: turn teenage girls into glamorized assets. Jean-Luc Brunel took it international, founding MC2 and receiving at least $1 million from Jeffrey Epstein to expand operations. Paolo Zampolli cornered the visa angle, using U.S. immigration loopholes to bring in young foreign models — often from Eastern Europe and South America — under false pretenses.

Then came Mister Donald Trump.

In 1999, Donald Trump launched Trump Model Management. His agency followed the exact same pattern: bring girls in on tourist or “extraordinary talent” visas, overcrowd them in overpriced apartments, charge them for every service, and send them to work illegally while racking up debt they could never repay. Former models from his agency say they were instructed to lie to customs and start working immediately upon arrival.

This wasn’t theory. It was documented. The visas were real. The labor was real. THE FRAUD WAS REAL.

[Jilly_in_VA]

12. Why would that surprise anyone?

After all, Grandaddy Drumpf made his money on a string of brothels. Why would grandson be any different?

[Escape]

15. On top of all this...

as already suggested....I'm sure he was knee deep in Epstein's blackmail business.

There has got to be a reason for so many Republicans to be so eager and willing to lie for him, cover for him, accept his insults and risk their careers and reputations for him.

Someday down the road, we may have to turn an entire Red State into a Republican Prison. I'm thinkin' ....Wyoming--the most Conservative state in the country..

[BComplex]

38. Idaho is more white nationalist conservative. That's where so many of the nazis

congregate.

[Escape]

73. Good point...

It may take TWO full Red States to house all the Republican criminals.

[Kablooie]

16. If there's money to be made do you think Trump would turn it down?

He has no morals so trafficking in women would be no problem as long as someone else would take the fall if they were found out.

[surfered]

17. If the Epstein exonerated him or his supporters, they would have been released long ago

[Wounded Bear]

19. Makes sense. trump monetizes everything...

He won't do anything if he can't make money off of it, even sex.

[BattleRow]

24. Just imagine had Donald been Donna instead.

Well,he is somewhat of a PRIMA Donna,after all,no?

[Katcat]

20. Always assumed

He was in on it

[Scrivener7]

21. I always just assumed that.

[alittlelark]

22. I've been sure of that since Virginia Guiffre spoke out

About being ‘groomed’ at Mierde Lago.

[Trueblue Texan]

23. What I've been saying!nt

[usonian]

27. A LOT of us have been saying.

He obviously "inherited" the Epstein blackmail business, and can't have it exposed.

It explains his cult power and hidden financial resources to bribe as well as blackmail.

He would lose the revenue stream and his enormous list of blackmail victims would be devastated, and that may extend to the



It will all come crashing down. Perhaps Putin too. Others can speculate on the connection or not.

SPREAD THE WORD.

[FarPoint]

29. I have said all year he may indeed also be a " thrid partner" in the crime ring.

Could be why we never saw his taxes.... lots of secrets with this one.

[Warpy]

32. You mean as a financial partner, silent or not?

I wouldn't be at all surprised. I doubt his fan club would be, either, and I doubt it would diminish his popularity with them as long s they think he's hurting the rest of us.

[Joinfortmill]

34. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[relayerbob]

36. Of course

The “Epstein files”, as in “just” pedophilia, is the tip of the iceberg. I’ve no doubt it gets far beyond that, far beyond “just” trafficking. This guy has been a mob boss for a lifetime, and owed his financial empire to Russia since 1986 or 7. There’s are no doubt disappeared enemies, providing US intel to foreign powers, and likely financial support for all sorts of underworld activities, likely including real terrorists. And, this is not a recent opinion, I’ve felt this was the case since he announced his first run.

[GopherGal]

74. But which is more imaginary at this point, Antifa or the Epstein Files?

Both are more conceptual than concrete at this point, subject to the imaginative projections of one side or the other.

My least explosive imagining of the Epstein Files is flight manifests showing who has traveled to Epstein Island. That in itself doesn't prove anybody did anything illegal. I imagine it could supply potential witness lists, so it might be a stepping stone to getting some real admissible evidence of something.

But if the files contain Epstein's trove of blackmail material, such as recordings of sketchy bedroom activities or records of financial transactions involving trafficking and/or blackmailing at the behest of foreign governments, there might be something there that explains GOP foot-dragging on the matter.

[relayerbob]

75. Congress has already seen the contents and evidence of

of the very real Epstein files, at least some of them. It was enough to drive Nancy Mace to a panic attack. And that material was almost certainly watered down.

Comparing that to "antifa" is absolute nonsense.

The files I want released are Putin's blackmail material. They will make Epstein look like a choir boy.

[GopherGal]

80. Admittedly. I went a little too far with the "antifa" comparison

but they're both semi-fictional bogeymen, concepts sort of abused by the respective political sides.

Antifa is the Repukes' name for a fictional organization to be their scapegoat for any resistance because they can't believe they're this unpopular with individual Americans. (Though, why they would assign it the name "Antifa", implicitly admitting that this makes THEM pro-fascist, I'll never quite digest.)

The Epstein Files have to have been real enough to be part of Maxwell's and Epstein's prosecutions, so there has to be some substance there. So, yeah, the "bogeyman" of the reality-based political party is much more real than their manufactured "Antifa" terrorist organization.

[Baitball Blogger]

42. I can't imagine the backlash against the enablers that prolonged this period.

It's going to be bad.

[slightlv]

46. I think that he was partners with Epstein is a given (if only a de facto partner)

I also think there's a lot more to these papers than just sex. I think there was a lot of money going into pockets on the sly, as well as money made by blackmail. That he's front and center in this situation is an absolute no brainer. I'm really interested in what National Secrets have been sold or given away. That, I'm not sure would be in those papers. They may be too old?

[Dem4life1970]

47. I honestly don't know why I didn't think of this

This whole time I thought maybe he was just hiding his disgusting , illegal, participation with underage girls, but I hadn't thought about himself providing a human pipeline to Epstein. If this evidence is in the files....wow. Thanks for posting.

[usonian]

48. Kick

Ass

[eppur_se_muova]

49. Wasn't that how he met Melanomia ? nt

[SomedayKindaLove]

66. A know a MAGA who thinks it's Melanomia

That Trump is trying to protect by not releasing the files.

[eppur_se_muova]

77. I have occasionally harbored similar thoughts. nt

[Trueblue Texan]

106. If he's trying to protect anyone, it's ultimately himself.nt

[luvallpeeps]

50. The pig sells bibles & gold watches.

It would shock me if he didn’t find a way to profit off this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. NO DOUBT.

[Javaman]

52. I have always believed he was part of the trafficking scheme. no doubt in my mind.

there needs to be an investigation into the "miss teen America" contest. that whole thing is fucked up.

[Mike Nelson]

53. That could be why ...

... it's taking so long. They can't just redact his name. That would leave traces... to "clean" those files, you have to go through every paragraph, every line, to match everything. People think just taking something out here and there is enough. Not when the removed item/name is a big part of the whole. It's even worse if the original files used numbers or letters - then everything has to be recounted/rewritten!

[Mme. Defarge]

54. I always wondered about the coincidence

of the blackout in New York City on the day Epstein died.

[evolves]

55. I've been saying this since 2016.

His "modeling agency" was a trafficking ring all along.
If epstein made his billions as a blackmailer, who's running the blackmail ring now? Guessing that it's someone whose name
begins with a "T."

[panfluteman]

56. DDDDUUUUHHHH! Kinda Goes With The Territory!!!

Especially in Trump's case. Even Jeffrey Epstein told us that his best friend Trump has no scruples. Now, seriously - how could anyone ever suppose that he kept thos modeling agencies and beauty pageants squeaky clean and all above board and on the up and up? C'mon!

And that is why MAGA Mike Johnson is trying so darn hard to keep that government shut down. He knows that Adelita Grijalva holds the key to unlocking the floodgates, to opening this forbidden Pandora's box (forbidden by his Fuhrer Trump), so no effort or collateral damage is too great a price to pay.

[LiberalArkie]

57. What partner in a business doesn't ever sample the product?

[usonian]

58. Kick this forever.

Until his filthy scheme is uncovered.

[Happy Hoosier]

59. If that were the case....

... I would have expected more action under Biden. My thoughts are that there are sme very damning images and entries in those files, but not enough to actually charge him and get a conviction. Just a thought.

[PortTack]

60. I have thought that all along. Pedo won't do anything that doesn't enrich him financially

[hadEnuf]

62. Given the frantic hysteria to cover up everything at all costs,

it seems very likely that you are absolutely correct.

[Greybnk48]

63. You're not alone. I think involvement my Trump in the way you're suggesting is highly likely.

And I would not be surprised to find that other well known people are involved world wide.

[completely_bushed]

64. He's "In" the Files Like Epstein is "In" the Files

He IS the files. Modeling ==> trafficking.

[Bev54]

65. I have little doubt he was apart of it

[dwayneb]

98. And his followers know it too, and don't care

They have zero morals and values. In fact they will likely applaud his behavior, just "boys being boys".

[Grins]

67. You don't need the Epstein files to track that.

Trump started his “model agency” and brought in HUNDREDS of young girls. At one point he had ~250 worker visa applications with the State Department.

Epstein, seeing how successful Trump was, started his own modeling agency and based his on Trump’s.

A French friend of Epstein’s did the same in Paris, New York, and Miami. The two shared girls between their multiple locations.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

68. I hear you out and raise you!

Of course this is what occurred and is likely still
happening with all the war torn country's disappeared children.

WE ALL MUST SUFFER because tRUMP and his RICH asshole acquaintances RAPED CHILDREN!

[Clouds Passing]

70. Of course he is. He ran beauty pageants! Pedophile parades!

Mijo has that pedo-face look.

[Bread and Circuses]

76. I suspect that some of the girls did not survive ...

The CSA by the predators

[lapfog_1]

78. Epstein had this weird temple / altar on his island

maybe Eyes Wide Shut wasn't so far off the mark... complete with rituals.

There might have been some underage girls that threatened to go public and things might have happened to them.

Drug overdose, falling out of a window ( or down a flight of stairs ), or possibly just disappeared.

If there was video of Trump violently raping an underage girl... or two... that might be enough to run the repukes into full cover up mode.

[usonian]

79. As people have noted, it's likely that Trump was JE's business partner

But likely that Putin has the eyes wide shut videos.

[Bread and Circuses]

81. Correct. Sadly, we must acknowledge this possibility, ....

I read that some girls didn’t speak English. Most likely, they were kidnapped and trafficked .

Its horrific . All these people need to be arrested and bought to justice,

[viva la]

86. And he had fellow modeling agency buddies who were definitely creepy

In fact, Trump had his 14-year old daughter contracted as a model with Elite, whose owners (one was John Casablancas) were repeatedly accused of abuse of the underaged models. Ivanka herself was photographed wearing a completely sheer blouse over her very young body.
Trump "judged a contest" == Elite’s Look of the Year competition== which consisted of teen girls dancing and strutting in front of middle-aged millionaires. After the contest, well, things could get abusive:
"The stories we have heard suggest that Casablancas, and some of the men in his orbit, used the contest to engage in sexual relationships with vulnerable young models. Some of these allegations amount to sexual harassment, abuse or exploitation of teenage girls; others are more accurately described as rape."


Ivanka Trump also (at 15!) modeled for Victoria's Secret.
" target="_blank">modeled for Victoria's Secret.

Remember who "recruited" for VS? Epstein. The founder of VS, Les Wexner, was the one who for who knows what reason, maybe just generosity, "sold" Epstein the largest house in Manhattan for $1.

No doubt you've all seen the picture of Trump with his pre-teen son and daughter at one of Epstein's parties.

[Emile]

89. "Republicans Hate Immigrants More Than A Pedophile"

[usonian]

90. Kick for visibility.

Never drop this topic!

[usonian]

92. Kick for the Epstein Event Horizon.

Soon

[usonian]

93. Kicking again.

People need to think about this, and think about it RFN.

[usonian]

94. And again.

[calimary]

100. And again, dammit!

[bif]

95. His followers will just say

It was the folly of youth, and excuse his behavior once again.

[dwayneb]

96. Just some "locker room behavior"

Don't kid yourself his cult followers will applaud his deviancy.

[misanthrope]

97. File info most likely shows Trump's culpability

In an elaborate network of international business people and criminals, something so repulsive it would show how rotten so much of our global financial schemes and icons are truly are. While many of us suspect Trump as being capable of ephebophilia, we know for certain he has no compunction about criminal behavior of a financial nature. What we've seen so far is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

[Heftylefty]

99. Who's in the Epstein Files

Remember Epstein's victims said there were many "powerful men" named in the files. There are "powerful men" in Congress, the Cabinet, this administration, on the bench, and among Republican contributors. They're not protecting just one man, but many. Revealing those names could threaten Republican control of our government. It's an existential battle for them.

[Initech]

101. I've developed a theory that Mar-A-Shithole was the central hub and operations for their disgusting journeys.

[rampartd]

103. duuuh

trump is a major player . a partner or boss.

[mercuryblues]

104. His job was to procure the girls and boys

Maxwell was to groom them.
Epstein's to pimp them out and get the blackmail material.

Some kids never made it off the island. I bet all 3 had a hand in that.

[Sogo]

105. No doubt in my mind that he was/is trafficking young women.

He assisted the escape of those two brothers from Romania who were facing charges for rape and trafficking....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-tate-tristan-trump-us-romania-rape-human-trafficking-charges/

https://business-news-today.com/did-trump-help-the-tate-brothers-escape-romania-heres-what-we-know/