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Coventina

(29,716 posts)
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:14 PM Oct 2025

Terrifying report on super-tall NYC condo building

432 Park Is Cracking Up

Poor 432 Park. The New York Times published another long report over the weekend on the troubled Billionaires’ Row supertall and its many, many issues, this time focusing on the possibly long-term implications of its badly cracking façade that could, in the words of one expert in the article, result in “concrete hand grenades” launching from 1,400 feet. And why? Because, per court documents, engineering experts interviewed by the paper, and construction reports, the developers wanted the 102-story tower to be white.

Developer Harry Macklowe said he wanted an “absolutely pure building” in 432 Park and tapped the Uruguayan modernist architect Rafael Viñoly to help execute that vision. On top of being one of the tallest and slimmest buildings in the world, the perfectly rectilinear tower would also be a stark, clean white. But that signature aesthetic, which apparently helped sell out the building’s 125 units for more than $2.5 billion — A-Rod and Jennifer Lopez were among the early buyers — now appears to be the source of some major problems, per the Times. To achieve the color developers wanted would mean “going down a dangerous and slippery path that I believe will eventually lead to failure and lawsuits to come,” one director at Viñoly’s firm wrote in a July 2012 email to other architects on the project. How prescient.

It turns out that the same additives that give cement its darkened color are also good for durability. During a visit that December by architects, engineers, and developers to a Brooklyn concrete yard, they found the cement mix used in the mock columns riddled with cracks and “bug holes” more than an inch wide. A structural engineer working on the project suggested adding a by-product of coal combustion called fly ash to address the cracks. He was then told that the developers would not accept that fix because it would make the coloring of the façade too dark. The structural engineer replied that the choice was “color or cracks.” Later, when cracks emerged after construction started and the cement had been poured, consultants who recommended covering the façade with a rubbery coating to seal the cracks were similarly dismissed. (The extremely slim, rectangular design of the tower apparently isn’t helping things, either. 432 Park is facing real stress from wind, one engineer who has studied the building told the Times.)

In 2021, the condo board filed a lawsuit against Macklowe and another developer, CIM Group, alleging more than 1,500 defects, including “life safety” issues, while a second suit, filed in April of this year, alleged that the building’s developers had been warned about the cracking and had tried to hide the structural issues from city inspectors and would-be buyers. But it’s not just residents who seem worried. A second engineer who had consulted on an early bid for the building’s design noted to the Times that the continued cracking could lead to bigger issues, including falling chunks of concrete, unusable elevators, and, ultimately, an “uninhabitable” building. (The developers’ representatives have called the complaints exaggerated, adding that many of the construction issues have been addressed and that developers believe the condo board hasn’t done its part when it comes to maintaining the façade.)

https://www.curbed.com/article/432-park-avenue-condo-facade-cracks.html

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You couldn't pay me to live in one of those things.

The story just gets scarier from there. The building is not only a danger to its residents, but to the public in general.

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Terrifying report on super-tall NYC condo building (Original Post) Coventina Oct 2025 OP
And despite the builder's demand for an "absolutely pure building," that thing is just fugly. Scrivener7 Oct 2025 #1
Pieces falling off can fall witha speed over 150 miles per hour.. Permanut Oct 2025 #2
One more tedious example of style over substance, and its all-too-predictable consequences. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2025 #3
Kick dalton99a Oct 2025 #4
This is pretty crazy fujiyamasan Oct 2025 #5
Just saw some pics of that building. mwmisses4289 Oct 2025 #6
At $169M for the 96th floor penthouse apartment, some billionare can have it. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2025 #7
You made me LOL! Coventina Oct 2025 #8
That building is truly ugly PatSeg Oct 2025 #9
This happens, and people die. milestogo Oct 2025 #10
I'm glad I lived in the city Mossfern Oct 2025 #11

Scrivener7

(59,499 posts)
1. And despite the builder's demand for an "absolutely pure building," that thing is just fugly.
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:29 PM
Oct 2025

Permanut

(8,387 posts)
2. Pieces falling off can fall witha speed over 150 miles per hour..
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 09:32 PM
Oct 2025

There should be warning signs at every corner.

eppur_se_muova

(41,915 posts)
3. One more tedious example of style over substance, and its all-too-predictable consequences. nt
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:46 PM
Oct 2025

fujiyamasan

(1,690 posts)
5. This is pretty crazy
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:11 AM
Oct 2025

I just remembered the Champlain towers building that collapsed in Florida a few years ago killing almost a hundred people. This building is much, much taller.

This link also got me reading about Sampoong store collapse back in the ‘90s killing over 500 people in South Korea. It was the worst building collapse by deaths in peacetime until 9/11.

If there are major concerns about the engineering, whiteblowers should come out now before it’s too late.

I agree, I would not want to live in something like that. Concrete falling off of a building almost 1,400 ft tall? No thanks!

mwmisses4289

(4,142 posts)
6. Just saw some pics of that building.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 08:50 AM
Oct 2025

I know pics perspectives can be weird, but is that building leaning off to the side a bit?

Buns_of_Fire

(19,158 posts)
7. At $169M for the 96th floor penthouse apartment, some billionare can have it.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 09:34 AM
Oct 2025

Even though the custom-designed furniture is included in the asking price, it doesn't look like a fun place to live in. The windows don't even open, so how is one expected to drop water balloons on the peasants?

PatSeg

(53,211 posts)
9. That building is truly ugly
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:49 PM
Oct 2025

And now it is a hazard as well. It is amazing what a massive ego can build.

milestogo

(23,071 posts)
10. This happens, and people die.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:57 PM
Oct 2025

In the seventies I worked downtown Chicago. One day part of a building facade came off from 20 stories up and turned a woman walking by into a puddle. It was a place where I had often walked on my lunch hour.

After that they built "ceilings" over the sidewalks while the buildings were inspected. But when you have a generation of old buildings this happens.

And sometimes glass windows fall out too. https://www.corboydemetrio.com/newsroom-news-Death-from-Fall-of-Window

Mossfern

(4,715 posts)
11. I'm glad I lived in the city
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 01:10 PM
Oct 2025

before they ruined it.
There's hardly a street left that doesn't have some sort of scaffolding.

When I go in, I hardly recognize my old home.....
Greenwich Village used to be a great friendly neighborhood, with small shops and caring neighbors.
Now it just looks like some sort of upscale mall.

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