Seems to be a battle brewing here. Gun owners v rationals.

[Whovian]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by REP (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Lets take it out to the parking lot.

OMFG! You shot me you bastard!

[Floyd_Gondolli]

1. I'm not seeing the humor

[jody]

2. Sorry DU has several rational pro and anti RKBA members who have serious debate. There are however a

number of people who believe guns create crime who post often but nothing of substance.

Their counterparts don't last long.

[Lizzie Poppet]

5. Precisely.

And those who contribute nothing to that rational debate have sure been flooding my Ignore List for the last week. About time to add Whovian, I guess...

[Taverner]

12. At this point, BOTH SIDES are guilty of freaking out beyond reason

And I stand by that observation

[geckosfeet]

35. So do I. I have never seen so much rhetorical nonsense spewed on DU.

Some good discussion, but the bulk of it has been angry tirade.

[slackmaster]

46. I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of, AGREE with you on that, Taverner

That's why I have trashed about 700 threads in GD in the past several days.

[Lizzie Poppet]

51. I concur.

And there's not even any point arguing about which side is worse about posting irrational, overheated twaddle. It doesn't matter.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

3. In what backwards world can

eliminating a person's right to self defense be seen as "rational"?

[Taverner]

15. No one said a thing about eliminating the RTKBA

You're pulling the NRA fear card like you thugs always do


"FEAR!!! TERROR!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!"

[TheMoreYouKnow]

20. What forum are you reading?

Half of the anti-self defense people here are calling for all out bans on firearms and for the repealing of the 2nd amendment.

Thug? lol, hardly.

[Taverner]

22. No, you are jumping to conclusions

No one is flat out saying we should get rid of all guns...that's just your brain on LaPierre.

We just want regulation, registration and reason

You want dead school children. Your extension, in your mind, is more valuable than children's lives. I got it.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

25. You have the nerve to say that I want dead school children

while trying to claim the high road and say that nobody is calling for all guns to be gone when it happens here every hour?

The lives of my wife and children are ALWAYS more valuable than the lives of anyone trying to cause them physical harm, do you get that or is that too hard for you to comprehend?

[Taverner]

38. Your gun is going to collect dust

You will never need it

Putting a light outside your door will do way more to deter intruders than your gun will


BTW - did you just join DU so you could yell at Democrats who value human life?

[GreenStormCloud]

57. Can you give an ABSOLUTE guarantee that he will never need it?

In my small town of about 2,500 people we have had murders. About four years ago a young couple's home was invaded and they were knifed to death. A few months after that, another young couple was clubbed to death in their own home.

My own wife has twice used her concealed handgun to prevent herself from being mugged. Since she, like me, is a senior citizen, she my well not have survived the mugging. When the would be mugger saw that she was armed he turned around and fled. The second incident was at the same place, same time of day, same story, but a different day.

Violent crime really does happen, and being armed really can give you the tool to not be a crime statistic.

[geckosfeet]

37. Looks whose post has the words ""FEAR!!! TERROR!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!" " in it.

Get a grip.

[Taverner]

39. That is, how they react, I'm afraid

[AgingAmerican]

52. How does registration and regulation eliminate the right to self defense?

I own guns and I have no problem with registration and regulation. I don't understand why people run around with their hair on fire at the mere mention of it.

[jal777]

4. I'm just sick and tired of your types calling me a killer because I shoot guns at paper targets. Nt

[spin]

8. Welcome to DU. Be aware that if you support gun rights you will be insulted. ...

One poster called all gun owners "terrorists" recently.

The recent fad of insulting gun owners is largely due to emotion over the tragic recent massacres in theaters and schools. Such emotion is entirely understandable.

But I've been posting here for several years and if I had a dollar for every time that I was insulted I could buy myself a brand new S&W revolver or a Glock. (I own a fair number of S&W revolvers but have never owned a Glock pistol as while they are very accurate and reliable they have a grip that doesn't fit my hand.)

To be a gun owner and post in favor of gun rights it's best to have a thick skin. I personally enjoy truly original insults but they are rare here. I don't trade insult for insult and do my best to be polite and use facts and statistics to support my views. Of course they are labeled as "NRA talking points" and are consequently ignored. The sad part is that facts are facts and statistics from the FBI or the Bureau of Justice Statistics are not funded by the NRA.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

11. Much appreciated

nt

[Floyd_Gondolli]

13. "Such emotion is entirely understandable."

Yeah, when people see 20 children murdered while the other side of the argument is as obtuse as ever they tend to get a tad upset.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

17. It's hard not to be obtuse when any attempt at a rational discussion

is met with nothing but childish insults and attacks. Our right to protect our homes and our families with a self defense firearm is protected by the US Constitution, not members of DU and their opinions. I don't own an "assault weapon" nor do I see the need to own one but that hasn't stopped some people here from labeling me as a child murderer simply because I choose to protect my family and home with a semi-automatic handgun.

[OneMoreDemocrat]

18. Therein lies the problem I think...

If the argument is as narrowly defined as "guns are bad", "no they're not" then that's not really going to get us anywhere.

Lanza's walking into that school and shooting 20 kids did not happen in a vacuum, there are a lot of other things that should be addressed than just guns.

The guns speak to the how, but not the why and if the why.

Unfortunately, it has become apparent that we are not allowed to talk about poor parenting, bad schools, video games, mental illness, anger, our violent society or anything else that may have led this shooter (and the others before him) to do this, so all we are left to yell at each other about is guns and neither side is going to win the argument which doesn't sit well with people who like to win arguments and have the last word on everything.

[spin]

21. I agree and I take that into account. (n/t)

[Taverner]

23. Why are you shooting guns a paper targets?

Seriously - I've shot guns before and it's really not that exciting.

Are you saying that is the ONLY reason you have a gun? To shoot paper targets?


And why do you need that many weapons? You only have two hands!

[jal777]

42. Seriously...

I have tried yoga I don't like it. I have tried tofo and it tastes like crap to me. You don't think guns are exciting, well thats your opinion and it wont change my mindset. My point is that we all have opinions. I shoot paper to practice my shooting. I shoot clay birds to practice my shotgun skills.

[AgingAmerican]

53. Who are "Your types?"

I shoot guns at paper targets and nobody has ever called me a killer. I am for registration and regulation and I have owned guns my whole life.

I don't understand why some people have to act like chicken little at the mere thought of rational gun laws.

[Whovian]

6. Thank you RKBA forum and new member denizens for your responses,

It was expected.

[CTyankee]

9. My goodness the whine is loud today from the gunners!

The Delicate Flowers are in a terrible tizzy.

Whovian, you old meanie! Leave the poor dears alone...you've made them whimper...

[Whovian]

14. Thanks, I needed that.

[CTyankee]

44. You have my support in this endeavor.

U.S. gun policy is insane.

[11 Bravo]

10. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. You've been inundated with, what ... five responses?

I have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt to explain to you something which you probably already know. But just for shits and giggles ... #1 there are long time DU progressives who owns guns; #2 there are newbies seeking instant righteous lefty cred who post stupid shit about the DUers mentioned in #1. (But it doesn't get really funny until the DUers mentioned in #2 pretend that they are under attack from the Duers mentioned in #1.)
If you are this desperately in need of validation, may I suggest a Rescue Lab?

[Whovian]

16. 11 Bravo???? What is that? A john Wayne WWII Wannabe

[11 Bravo]

19. It was my MOS in 1970-1971. Now, fuck off, clown.

[Whovian]

26. MOS. Wow!

Anyone with a pulse could get a MOS in 70-71. Sorry you gat dragged into that unjust war.

[11 Bravo]

40. You're an asshole. Yeah, anyone with a pulse could get an MOS.

But some of us were tagged 11-B. And lots of guys without a pulse came home in a box wearing that same MOS. So I'll say it again, fuck off, clown.

[obamanut2012]

49. And those without a pulse have their name on a wall in DC

What an effing post.

[obamanut2012]

31. +1

Thanks.

And, sorry you got snarked at about being in the military. I have vets from many wars in my family, as well as active and retired who were lucky enough to never be in combat.

[obamanut2012]

29. It's obvious it was his MOS

You are talking to a vet.

[Taverner]

24. Hardly any of us are calling for all guns to be confiscated

But to have such a knee jerk reaction to the mere mention of some regulation gets you guys all hopped up on LaPierre...

[11 Bravo]

33. I'm done. I fully support an assault weapon ban, closing the gun show loophole ...

mandatory registration, and a variety of other gun control laws. But, you see, I actually own guns, so I must be on the other side of the "gun owners vs rational" argument. Now, I'm also "hopped up on LaPierre", a man for whom I have no respect whatsoever.
Fuck it, maybe the real gun nuts are right, and there's no room for discussion.

[Taverner]

34. I wasn't pointing at you - but those who WON'T have a discussion

[obamanut2012]

28. I never post nor read in the Gungeon

Your openness and desire for unification is just boundless.

[Paladin]

7. That's A Battle That's Been Going On For Years.... (nt)

[obamanut2012]

27. What a unifying OP

[jody]

36. Gun-creationists who believe guns create crime are out in force with insults. That in spite of the

fact the latest government report.

"Gun Control Legislation” by CRS (Nov 14, 2012) reports

- from 1994 to 2007, firearm number [font color = ff0000 size = 4]increased[/font] from 192 million to 294 million.

- from 1994 to 2007, Firearms-Related Murder Rate [font color = ff0000 size = 4]decreased[/font] from 6.6 to 3.9.

FBI reports "Knives or cutting instruments" commit 13.3% of murders, "Hands, fists, feet, etc." 5.7% and Rifles and Shotguns 5.4%.

Why do those who believe guns create crime ignore "Knives or cutting instruments" and "Hands, fists, feet, etc." ?

[former-republican]

41. disgrace

[11 Bravo]

48. Don't you love it? Another noob, struggling to get a post to the Greatest page.

Somebody needs to buy these kids a puppy.

[obamanut2012]

50. Yup

And, this poster is quite persistent in doing this.

[Rex]

30. The delusional people that love their guns more than life itself

are the real problem. I DOUBT anyone here that is a member, believes the govt is going to take all ther guuuuns away from them.

AM I wrong?

[jal777]

43. Isn't that the goal of anti-gun types?

[Rex]

47. Nope, that is the belief of some delusional people that love their guns

more than family or life itself. And they are so stupid, as to believe the FUD from the NRA. Like scared little sheep.

[AgingAmerican]

55. Regulation and registration isn't "anti-gun"

It's rationality.

[slackmaster]

45. Rational people don't start start discussions with broad-brush ad hominem attacks

[AgingAmerican]

56. There are many rational gun owners

We don't follow kooks like Wayne Pierre or the GOP talking points. We have no problem with gun registration and regulation. Please don't lump us with the RW chicken little "gun grabbers" crowd.

[REP]

58. Locking

This violates the SoP of this Forum.