Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
114 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Will a woman be our next Democratic Party nominee for President? (Original Post) CTyankee Oct 2025 OP
That's not the important question SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #1
Has he or she surfaced yet? CTyankee Oct 2025 #7
There are options: Talarico, AOC... and maybe Crockett? SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #11
I don't know Talarico. Tell me about her, please.... CTyankee Oct 2025 #12
Its a he. James Talarico. SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #17
Isn't there something in our constitution about church and state being separate? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #63
I would like to see a Democratic president who didn't support markodochartaigh Oct 2025 #79
Can't deal with the religious mumbo jumbo! geojazz Oct 2025 #112
The test will be if Talarico can win the Primary in Texas and then go on to defeat walkingman Oct 2025 #32
With talk of Crockett running for senate (I how she goes governor instead) SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #34
Definitely not Crockett Polybius Oct 2025 #96
I think that remains to be seen. I'm actually surprised at how popular she seems to be already among Dems SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #99
She may be able to win a liberal state Polybius Oct 2025 #113
I think the key isnt being unpolarizing. The key is being populist. SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #114
So you think being a woman has nothing to do with whether people vote for her or not? Walleye Oct 2025 #51
This dwayneb Oct 2025 #109
IMHO, no. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2025 #2
No, probably not again for a decade or more displacedvermoter Oct 2025 #3
I have long predicted that a Republican will be the first female POTUS GreatGazoo Oct 2025 #25
Yep leftstreet Oct 2025 #36
and don't forget Margaret Thatcher DBoon Oct 2025 #88
Honestly, I don't think these current Republicans would pick a woman as their standard bearer Walleye Oct 2025 #101
NO. Fair or not, women will be receiving the blowback from HRC and Harris' loss for some time hlthe2b Oct 2025 #4
We elected an African-American man to the Presidency twice. Aristus Oct 2025 #5
Or maybe that most of them will be dead. CTyankee Oct 2025 #9
Charlie Kirk serves as pretty ample evidence that the Aristus Oct 2025 #14
Why do you say that? CTyankee Oct 2025 #15
I just meant that Trumpsters are going to pass their hatred and their ignorance down Aristus Oct 2025 #20
My stepgrandsons have a mother who is a rabbi. These young boys are growing up with a mother who leads a CTyankee Oct 2025 #22
There is no Democratic Charlie Kirk. Boomerproud Oct 2025 #27
To be fair Easterncedar Oct 2025 #13
Nope Easterncedar Oct 2025 #6
America is not sophisticated enough to elect or appreciate a woman as POTUS walkingman Oct 2025 #8
Perhaps our next president, now gov. Newsom, will ask a woman as his VP running mate. CTyankee Oct 2025 #16
It makes this very old Feminist cry to admit that I do not want the Dems to run a female for pres no matter efhmc Oct 2025 #19
I think you are needlessly pessimistic -misanthroptimist Oct 2025 #37
The country can't afford another "test case" Bettie Oct 2025 #86
American citizens voted for HRC over Trump by a significant margin Shrek Oct 2025 #39
Electoral College is an outdated system that is undemocratic and should be abolished. walkingman Oct 2025 #44
Nope Mz Pip Oct 2025 #10
Zero chance IMO. BannonsLiver Oct 2025 #18
Probably not. Happy Hoosier Oct 2025 #21
My husband is a white guy as is my son. They would both identify as Democrats. My son wanted Michelle Obama to run for CTyankee Oct 2025 #24
I love Michelle, and she'd make a great President. Happy Hoosier Oct 2025 #67
I seriously doubt it. Our party pits pragmatism against idealism for the sake of donor largess. LuvLoogie Oct 2025 #23
Yes. All candidates should be assessed on merit TheProle Oct 2025 #26
Probably not. We Missed Two Chances to Elect a Woman as President. MineralMan Oct 2025 #28
No. Misogynist Nation (aka America) is still unprepared to elect a woman POTUS.. CousinIT Oct 2025 #29
Not a chance in hell. The next nominee will be a straight, white guy like Beshear. LonePirate Oct 2025 #30
Not a chance. Most of us Boomers won't live long enough to see that happen. Ocelot II Oct 2025 #31
I agree. Just say the words commander-in-chief and the men of this country turn on a woman. Walleye Oct 2025 #102
No guesses or dreams yet. DFW Oct 2025 #33
Yeah, but...we had "capable, sane, intelligent ..." males at a time when women couldn't vote, but that didn't stop us CTyankee Oct 2025 #38
I wasn't looking backwards DFW Oct 2025 #45
I am heartened that you cited Amy and Gretchen. I hope I am still alive to see either one of them elected POTUS. CTyankee Oct 2025 #46
I have met Amy on a few occasions, including as recently as this year. DFW Oct 2025 #47
You and every man in my family! CTyankee Oct 2025 #52
She's definitely a people person. DFW Oct 2025 #77
Who would be your choice of her running mate? CTyankee Oct 2025 #78
THAT is a tough one!! DFW Oct 2025 #84
I think Newsom has already been chosen and that's fine. My choice would be Klobuchar as running mate because of CTyankee Oct 2025 #85
For what it's worth DFW Oct 2025 #90
Definitely not Whitmer. She's far too gaffe prone Arazi Oct 2025 #89
She does tend to stick her foot in it, it's true. DFW Oct 2025 #91
Probably not, because of the misogynistic society America is, and many who vote Democratic are lostincalifornia Oct 2025 #35
An excellent question! CTyankee Oct 2025 #42
I hope so. lostincalifornia Oct 2025 #93
For sure not in 2028 because people will be too scared JI7 Oct 2025 #40
I think the Democrats are going to have a hard enough time winning 2026 Fullduplexxx Oct 2025 #41
It's unimportant whether it is a woman or not gulliver Oct 2025 #43
Maybe the "best candidate" won't be a woman because we all believe "a woman can't win." CTyankee Oct 2025 #50
I'm 76 I have given up on ever seeing a woman be elected president in my lifetime Walleye Oct 2025 #54
Yes, we could have. Mc Mike Oct 2025 #48
I'm just too bitter from massive disappointments in 2016 and 2024 Walleye Oct 2025 #56
Not a chance Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #49
Oh, like whatshername, the governor of Alaska. Her foreign policy experience of seeing Alaska from her kitchen? CTyankee Oct 2025 #55
Well, that was Tina Fey's impression of Palin Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #64
Yep. That's a tribute to Tina's acting...she really was spot on with that caricature... CTyankee Oct 2025 #66
I hope the GOP does nominate a woman. Because we will win if they do. Walleye Oct 2025 #57
Too many men in this country would rather vote for a Quiet Em Oct 2025 #53
Two things I'll unfortunately never see in my lifetime: A woman or Muslim president. aeromanKC Oct 2025 #58
I couldn't tell you who the best female candidate would be. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #59
It depends on who is running Patton French Oct 2025 #60
Thought provoking post. I have no answer cuz my thoughts don't coincide with what I believe is the reality of America. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2025 #61
Do you want to lose ANOTHER election? awesomerwb1 Oct 2025 #62
Oh, right...I had forgotten about that...how silly of me... CTyankee Oct 2025 #65
I hope so Torchlight Oct 2025 #68
no Celerity Oct 2025 #69
I just don't like her, we don't really know her, I don't trust her, why is she really running for president? betsuni Oct 2025 #70
And, of course, "I don't like the way she laughs." subterranean Oct 2025 #105
After looking at demographics and trying to figure cachukis Oct 2025 #71
If she wins the primary, yes. MichMan Oct 2025 #72
We tried it twice. Failed both times. Initech Oct 2025 #73
Couldn't agree MORE Initech.... democratsruletheday Oct 2025 #97
I know, it sucks. Initech Oct 2025 #108
Unfortunately, in this country Bettie Oct 2025 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Oct 2025 #75
How about we do that without automatically ruling out anyone who's not male? CTyankee Oct 2025 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Oct 2025 #81
The folks I know are mostly liberal Dems (not all) but I live in deep blue New Haven, CT. CTyankee Oct 2025 #111
Nope. The misogynism is too deeply embedded. Timeflyer Oct 2025 #80
No. Sure fire loss. pfitz59 Oct 2025 #82
Whether Democrats win in 2028 biocube Oct 2025 #83
Ouch leftstreet Oct 2025 #87
Haven't seen any mention of Harris MichMan Oct 2025 #92
What do you think orangecrush Oct 2025 #94
Kamala Harris tells BBC she may run for president again MichMan Oct 2025 #95
She may very well run again subterranean Oct 2025 #106
And if we are foolish enough to choose her in the primary pinkstarburst Oct 2025 #107
The left, right and middle are too sexist. ecstatic Oct 2025 #98
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away Jersey Devil Oct 2025 #100
If we want to lose again, then sure. bif Oct 2025 #103
I don't think we lost because Harris is a woman..... Hope22 Oct 2025 #104
Nope JustAnotherGen Oct 2025 #110

SSJVegeta

(2,830 posts)
1. That's not the important question
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:05 AM
Oct 2025

Will a populist capable of uniting the vast majority of the working that serves their interest, be the Democratic nominee?

If a woman is nominated and isn't that person, they will lose again. Same with a man.

If a woman is nominated and is that person, they will likely win. Same with a man.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
7. Has he or she surfaced yet?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:11 AM
Oct 2025

But I do think it is important that we Dems are the party that supports her. And I hope that the pukes have become so repulsive to the American electorate that they can never have another POTUS.

SSJVegeta

(2,830 posts)
17. Its a he. James Talarico.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:23 AM
Oct 2025

Hes a rising star in part because he is a pastor who also focuses on the Gospel of Jesus as basicslly a call to action on behalf of the working class -and opposing the billionaire hold on society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Talarico

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
63. Isn't there something in our constitution about church and state being separate?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:11 PM
Oct 2025

It strikes me as sad that a person can be the most rabid "Christian" out there and be elected by a landslide. Meanwhile agnostics don't stand a chance, and atheists don't dare exist and run for office.

I know, from the post this guy isn't using his religion to divide, the way the vast majority do, but still. I would love to see more self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics running for office.

markodochartaigh

(5,532 posts)
79. I would like to see a Democratic president who didn't support
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:45 PM
Oct 2025

the US military/industrial/corporate state which has toppled Democratically elected governments worldwide in order to subjugate their populations and make their countries safe for US corporations.

I would also like to see a pastel polka-dot unicorn fart peppermint rainbows.

I think that the second option is far more likely.

walkingman

(10,813 posts)
32. The test will be if Talarico can win the Primary in Texas and then go on to defeat
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:47 AM
Oct 2025

probably either John "Cornpone" Cornyn or Ken "Crooked as they come" Paxton as US Senator.

It will be a good test in a Bible Belt state, Texas, that prides itself as "anti-intellectual" and heretic by it's actions.

SSJVegeta

(2,830 posts)
34. With talk of Crockett running for senate (I how she goes governor instead)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:58 AM
Oct 2025

The real test might be whether he can beat her. I think strong progressives should stay united, divide and conquer. Getting Crockett in the governors office and Talarico in the senate would be incredible

Polybius

(21,879 posts)
96. Definitely not Crockett
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:02 AM
Oct 2025

We need someone who can at least win their state. I like AOC, however.

SSJVegeta

(2,830 posts)
99. I think that remains to be seen. I'm actually surprised at how popular she seems to be already among Dems
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:24 AM
Oct 2025

I think she should run for Governor because we already have a god senate candidate running.


Polybius

(21,879 posts)
113. She may be able to win a liberal state
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 02:12 PM
Oct 2025

Last edited Sat Oct 25, 2025, 05:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Certainly not Texas. You would need to get some white moderates and Republicans voters to win there. She's far too polarizing to attract them. Republicans voting for her would be like me voting for Lauren Boebert. It would never happen.

SSJVegeta

(2,830 posts)
114. I think the key isnt being unpolarizing. The key is being populist.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 07:05 PM
Oct 2025

I peg her as the same type of populist as AOC and Talarico. Still dont know her plans or if she really would campaign like that. Thats why I want her to run for Governor. If she cant win the state, at least she can give a chance to somebody like Talarico who might be able to.

Walleye

(44,728 posts)
51. So you think being a woman has nothing to do with whether people vote for her or not?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:40 AM
Oct 2025

dwayneb

(1,107 posts)
109. This
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:48 PM
Oct 2025

Whether we want to admit it or not, a populist is required to motivate the dimwitted electorate of this country.

It has zip to do with their gender or race.

displacedvermoter

(4,414 posts)
3. No, probably not again for a decade or more
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:06 AM
Oct 2025

And I doubt I will live to see a woman elected president. Sad commentary, but true I fear.

GreatGazoo

(4,602 posts)
25. I have long predicted that a Republican will be the first female POTUS
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:38 AM
Oct 2025

because that splits the difference. It happened recently in Italy with right-winger Giorgia Meloni in 2022 and in Japan in 2025 with Sanae Takaichi who ran on anti-immigrant policies.

Walleye

(44,728 posts)
101. Honestly, I don't think these current Republicans would pick a woman as their standard bearer
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:40 AM
Oct 2025

I mean, just look at what they’re up to with this secretary of defense and everything. They hate women. and they really don’t wanna have to compete with women

hlthe2b

(113,857 posts)
4. NO. Fair or not, women will be receiving the blowback from HRC and Harris' loss for some time
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:08 AM
Oct 2025

(and no, it is not fair, nor accurate, but... )

Aristus

(72,131 posts)
5. We elected an African-American man to the Presidency twice.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:10 AM
Oct 2025

The racist white power structure went so catastrophically berserk, they decided that dismantling the entire country was the only way to ensure it would never happen again.

What they would do if we elected a woman, I don’t even want to guess.

Aristus

(72,131 posts)
14. Charlie Kirk serves as pretty ample evidence that the
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:15 AM
Oct 2025

younger generation is being poisoned against a better, more egalitarian, more progressive society.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
15. Why do you say that?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:20 AM
Oct 2025

The reason that I ask is that I have grandchildren who are ALL Dems. I have 3 granddaughters, one grandson, and 1 trans grandchild who was born male and is transitioning to female. All of them live in blue states: NY, MA, and CA.

Aristus

(72,131 posts)
20. I just meant that Trumpsters are going to pass their hatred and their ignorance down
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:26 AM
Oct 2025

to their kids. Twenty years ago, I had hopes that young people, no matter their upbringing, would reject the racism and misogyny of the past, and embrace a progressive future.

Not only have those hopes been dashed, but they seem to be going in the other direction. Young men are embracing toxicity, oppressive religious views, and the kind of hatred, bullying, and societal disruption the right thrives on.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
22. My stepgrandsons have a mother who is a rabbi. These young boys are growing up with a mother who leads a
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:35 AM
Oct 2025

congregation (in Long Island) and are comfortable with living with a respected faith leader in their community. Their dad is fully supportive of her also.

Boomerproud

(9,283 posts)
27. There is no Democratic Charlie Kirk.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:40 AM
Oct 2025

I have 2 grand nephews and 1 grand niece 20, 18 and 16 whom I adore but I dare never bring up politics with them because I don't want to have my heart broken.

Easterncedar

(6,219 posts)
13. To be fair
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:14 AM
Oct 2025

I think the racist whites without power were the ones who went berserk. The racist white power structure just seized the momentum and used the racist outrage to take over so they could dismantle all the progress we have made the past 60 years.

efhmc

(16,622 posts)
19. It makes this very old Feminist cry to admit that I do not want the Dems to run a female for pres no matter
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:24 AM
Oct 2025

how great she is. We will lose again. We are a nation of prejudiced and backward confirmed male thoughts and ideas.

-misanthroptimist

(1,601 posts)
37. I think you are needlessly pessimistic
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:03 AM
Oct 2025

HRC was one of the most disliked Democratic candidates in history -yet she still won the popular vote.

VP Harris didn't have the benefit of a full campaign. She got thrown into a Presidential election with little prior notice and had to do a lot on the fly. She was also saddled with Biden's policies by the Republicans. It was a weird situation where she was the incumbent (for practical purposes) and had inadequate time to prepare.

I haven't researched this, but there are those that claim she won. Win or lose, she did well under adverse circumstances.

I don't think either HRC or VP Harris are adequate test cases for the electability of women generally.

Bettie

(19,668 posts)
86. The country can't afford another "test case"
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 2025

if we even get a real election.

It breaks my heart, but we're a nation of misogynist racists. At least the majority of those who bother to vote.

Shrek

(4,418 posts)
39. American citizens voted for HRC over Trump by a significant margin
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:11 AM
Oct 2025

"America" as manifested in the Electoral College did not.

walkingman

(10,813 posts)
44. Electoral College is an outdated system that is undemocratic and should be abolished.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:26 AM
Oct 2025

But will probably never happen - hell, we can't even do anything about the dumb gun issue.

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
21. Probably not.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:34 AM
Oct 2025

We’ll likely have a white guy. Not that I have a problem with that. I’m a white guy. I’d prefer that sex not be a factor. But it is. We know that.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
24. My husband is a white guy as is my son. They would both identify as Democrats. My son wanted Michelle Obama to run for
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:37 AM
Oct 2025

President.

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
67. I love Michelle, and she'd make a great President.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:20 PM
Oct 2025

But we live in a country with far too many racist and sexist people. Makes me sad.

LuvLoogie

(8,808 posts)
23. I seriously doubt it. Our party pits pragmatism against idealism for the sake of donor largess.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:36 AM
Oct 2025

We give boilerplate speeches without any real past to present context. The Democratic Party is 50 years behind in tactics and strategy and has no answer to the racist nihilism of the Right. There are individuals in the party who get it, but too many still refer to their "colleagues" and not to the betrayers of democracy and due process in service to the rot of a racist criminal.

If you can't muster any passion against this regime for 175k a year then maybe go back to your home district and take up gardening.

TheProle

(3,980 posts)
26. Yes. All candidates should be assessed on merit
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:39 AM
Oct 2025

and the Democratic party has plenty of smart and capable women who could break through the noise in any number of ways.

I was highly disappointed in the defeatism displayed here towards women candidates right after Harris' loss and even more by the "we need a white straight male to win" bullshit.

Look what that myopia is getting us in Maine.

MineralMan

(151,210 posts)
28. Probably not. We Missed Two Chances to Elect a Woman as President.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:41 AM
Oct 2025

But, first, people said, "I just don't like Hillary." Then, they said, "Kamala Just Isn't Right for the Job." Democratic people said those things, and both women lost their elections. Both times, Donald J. Trump was inaugurated in the following January. If you are a student of past elections, you will understand exactly how few more voters they needed, and where those votes went.

If you're not such a student, you will not know.

I don't think we'll try again for several elections. More's the freaking pity!

CousinIT

(12,518 posts)
29. No. Misogynist Nation (aka America) is still unprepared to elect a woman POTUS..
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:44 AM
Oct 2025

...when they do, it's likely to be a MAGAt woman.

LonePirate

(14,367 posts)
30. Not a chance in hell. The next nominee will be a straight, white guy like Beshear.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:45 AM
Oct 2025

Repubs can run the craziest and most dangerous extremists possible but we have to run boring centrists to have any chance of winning.

Ocelot II

(130,461 posts)
31. Not a chance. Most of us Boomers won't live long enough to see that happen.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:46 AM
Oct 2025

The misogyny in this country is too entrenched. Two brilliant, experienced, honorable women in a row were unable to defeat that... whatever the hell he is.

Walleye

(44,728 posts)
102. I agree. Just say the words commander-in-chief and the men of this country turn on a woman.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:43 AM
Oct 2025

I agree some of the women are also programmed this way

DFW

(60,154 posts)
33. No guesses or dreams yet.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:47 AM
Oct 2025

My instinct says that unless the nominee's name is either Amy Klobuchar or Gretchen Whitmer, then I suspect there is another white male in our 2028 future. It should be clear to all of us that as long as our nominee is capable, sane, intelligent, benevolent and knows something of the world, race and gender should be secondary considerations.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
38. Yeah, but...we had "capable, sane, intelligent ..." males at a time when women couldn't vote, but that didn't stop us
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:10 AM
Oct 2025

getting an amendment to the Constitution allowing women to vote. Under your reasoning, it wouldn't have been "necessary" for them to have the vote.

DFW

(60,154 posts)
45. I wasn't looking backwards
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:26 AM
Oct 2025

The OP asked about our next nominee. I addressed that question: 2028, not 1920.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
46. I am heartened that you cited Amy and Gretchen. I hope I am still alive to see either one of them elected POTUS.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:32 AM
Oct 2025

Or somebody NEW! I know my kids and grandkids will happily vote for a woman POTUS!

DFW

(60,154 posts)
47. I have met Amy on a few occasions, including as recently as this year.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:35 AM
Oct 2025

She is sharp, knowledgeable and personable. I would gladly vote for her for POTUS in a flash.

DFW

(60,154 posts)
77. She's definitely a people person.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:38 PM
Oct 2025

I met her at the Emily's List annual thing in Washington in 2006. I thought then and there, she will make it to the Senate for sure. And so she did.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
78. Who would be your choice of her running mate?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:41 PM
Oct 2025

I'd be interested in your opinion. Thanks, DFW!

DFW

(60,154 posts)
84. THAT is a tough one!!
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:58 PM
Oct 2025

My heart says Pete Buttegeig, but I know the country probably isn't ready yet--for the office, yes, but for the campaign, no.

Luckily, I can't say Al Franken, because he and Amy are from the same state. Mark Kelly would be an excellent choice, but he's a friend, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit biased. Maybe Andy Beshear? And that's only if he isn't the nominee already. Gavin Newsom is probably TOO high a profile, if there is such a thing, The whole speculation is rather premature anyway. We're just whiling away a few hours at a Paris café, if you know what I mean. Much can (and probably will) change in the next six months.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
85. I think Newsom has already been chosen and that's fine. My choice would be Klobuchar as running mate because of
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:04 PM
Oct 2025

her being a midwest state governor. Both of them are charming and smart. He brings experience as a chief exec. of a state (just like Reagan) and she brings Midwest sentiment and sensibility.

DFW

(60,154 posts)
90. For what it's worth
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Oct 2025

I heard some serious noises in 2019 and 2020 that Joe Biden wanted Klobuchar as HIS VP, but was told, "no you can't because blah blah etc etc," predictable stuff. His ticket won, so there were no recriminations, and everybody acted like an adult. But some felt that the Midwest was closer than it should have been, and that not picking Klobuchae was something he should not have let himself get talked into. All water under the bridge now, though, and it's the midterms and 2028 that has to occupy our attention, not coulda woulda shoulda from five years ago.

Arazi

(8,881 posts)
89. Definitely not Whitmer. She's far too gaffe prone
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:12 PM
Oct 2025

From her badly miscalculating her meetings with Traitor, to her most recent one where she dismisses concerns over the demolition at the White House. Klobuchar won’t ever be the nominee either. She’s not charismatic enough on tv - unfortunately having star power matters now

Whitmer: 'No one is worried about building a ballroom'

USpolitics 🇺🇸 (@uspol.skyfleet.blue) 2025-10-24T13:42:20.563Z

DFW

(60,154 posts)
91. She does tend to stick her foot in it, it's true.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:54 PM
Oct 2025

I didn't hear about the line on the ballroom. If she really said that, she's toast, burnt and with no butter. As governor of Michigan during a Biden administration, she HAD to have visited the East Wing a few times. If the destruction of THAT gem of architecture doesn't bother her, then I don't know what would. Nuking the Taj Mahal?

lostincalifornia

(5,335 posts)
35. Probably not, because of the misogynistic society America is, and many who vote Democratic are
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:00 AM
Oct 2025

NOT free from that bias unfortunately.

A bigger question is will we ever have another free election?

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
42. An excellent question!
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:21 AM
Oct 2025

I have to believe that, at some point, the great silent majority of sane people will rise to the occasion. "No Kings" was a good start. I am encouraged.

JI7

(93,568 posts)
40. For sure not in 2028 because people will be too scared
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:14 AM
Oct 2025

and want a "safer" choice after what happened .

But I think a woman probably will have a better chance of winning in 2028 than 2016 and 2024 if a woman were the nominee.



gulliver

(13,953 posts)
43. It's unimportant whether it is a woman or not
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:24 AM
Oct 2025

Health and prosperity for the middle and working class are the prize, the goal, and the focus. Identity-based special interests and wedges between us need to become a thing of the past. We're all in this together as Democrats and Americans. Let the best candidate win!

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
50. Maybe the "best candidate" won't be a woman because we all believe "a woman can't win."
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:39 AM
Oct 2025

So she's out of the running from the outset....and we will have missed our chance because of bias against a woman president...that is kinda dumb...

Mc Mike

(9,260 posts)
48. Yes, we could have.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:36 AM
Oct 2025

Double down, just like the repuglinazis always do.

Run AOC and Jasmine Crockett, together.

Appeal to the most important parts of our base, women, people of color, youth, and progressives.

Walleye

(44,728 posts)
56. I'm just too bitter from massive disappointments in 2016 and 2024
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:47 AM
Oct 2025

We definitely had the best candidate, both times, but she lost. Why do you think?

Fiendish Thingy

(23,118 posts)
49. Not a chance
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:37 AM
Oct 2025

Unfortunately, the powers that be will likely restrict the 2028 nominee to a straight white male not named Shapiro or Newsom.

The DNC is currently drawing up plans for the primary schedule for 2028, including whether to abandon tradition and not have IA and NH go first. The states that are selected to go first will have an impact on the media narrative of which candidate has momentum and will impact fundraising ability.

My personal favorite would be Gretchen Whitmer, so I expect that Michigan will not be among the early primary states in 2028.

On the other hand, I expect there will be several women running for the 2028 republican nomination- Noem, MTG, maybe even Liz Cheney. I wouldn’t be surprised if a woman is the VP nominee.

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
55. Oh, like whatshername, the governor of Alaska. Her foreign policy experience of seeing Alaska from her kitchen?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:46 AM
Oct 2025

Fiendish Thingy

(23,118 posts)
64. Well, that was Tina Fey's impression of Palin
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:12 PM
Oct 2025

“I can see Russia from my house”.

But it’s funny that folks remember that as a direct Palin quote.

Quiet Em

(2,923 posts)
53. Too many men in this country would rather vote for a
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:43 AM
Oct 2025

sh*t talking man, with horrendous baggage and zero experience over an exemplary woman, so.....

That said, I hope Democratic women continue to run for POTUS. Telling Democratic women they can't run for POTUS is not a message I support.

aeromanKC

(3,887 posts)
58. Two things I'll unfortunately never see in my lifetime: A woman or Muslim president.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:50 AM
Oct 2025

Still holding out hope for a LGBT president however!! (I'm nearing SS age)

Though I'll go on record all three will happen by the turn of the Century. (If America can last that long)

maxsolomon

(38,670 posts)
59. I couldn't tell you who the best female candidate would be.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:51 AM
Oct 2025

The only Dem with CHARISMA and a national profile is Newsom.

AOC? She's been pre-disqualified by a years-long demonization campaign in the RW media. House members rarely secure the nomination, regardless.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,055 posts)
61. Thought provoking post. I have no answer cuz my thoughts don't coincide with what I believe is the reality of America.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:55 AM
Oct 2025

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
68. I hope so
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:23 PM
Oct 2025

but my reading of tea leaves and bird entrails isn't quite as formal or inerrant as many others. Just a hope and guess on my part.

betsuni

(29,053 posts)
70. I just don't like her, we don't really know her, I don't trust her, why is she really running for president?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:37 PM
Oct 2025

Elections are so close it might not make that big of a difference anyway but on the other hand, people are morons.

subterranean

(3,761 posts)
105. And, of course, "I don't like the way she laughs."
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:03 PM
Oct 2025

I heard that more than once about both female candidates. I don't think I've ever heard a male candidate criticized for his laugh.

cachukis

(3,914 posts)
71. After looking at demographics and trying to figure
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:53 PM
Oct 2025

the women's vote for trump, I have come away seeing a large resentment against strong women competing in a male dominated world, by the sentiment that women's subservience to a guide and provider, holds sway.
That cadre is much larger than I could have imagined growing up with a strong mother and two powerful sisters.
I have falsely assumed women strive for independence and self sufficiency set by the examples in my household.
I was mislead by the strong black women I taught in high school. I thought their resilience in spite of the obstacles in their way, would resonate more broadly in women across the nation.
I was wrong. The percentage of women voting, especially white women, for trump, floored me.

People are afraid here. Even men, of losing opportunity.
Trump plays that like a drum.
Even the oligarchs are marching in lockstep knowing full well the consequences of their actions.
We are in an unpredictable transition.
We must find unity and sadly, a woman, while best for the country, twice, will not get another chance for some time.

Initech

(108,693 posts)
73. We tried it twice. Failed both times.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:54 PM
Oct 2025

It's time for a new approach. We have to beat the fascist thugs.

democratsruletheday

(1,875 posts)
97. Couldn't agree MORE Initech....
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:06 AM
Oct 2025

I'm as liberal as they come and Harris is teasing another run but after supporting her twice in '20 and '24 I can't and won't support her again. People are too chauvinistic and misogynistic....plain and simple

Initech

(108,693 posts)
108. I know, it sucks.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:36 PM
Oct 2025

We have to do something to sink Steve Bannon and his fascist fucks. We know they are up to something. They must face prison for the rest of their lives. We can't fight them sitting down.

Bettie

(19,668 posts)
74. Unfortunately, in this country
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:29 PM
Oct 2025

the one thing a little girl can't dream of is being president one day.

Our country is very racist, but it is even more misogynistic.

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Response to CTyankee (Reply #76)

CTyankee

(68,162 posts)
111. The folks I know are mostly liberal Dems (not all) but I live in deep blue New Haven, CT.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:53 PM
Oct 2025

pfitz59

(12,670 posts)
82. No. Sure fire loss.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:46 PM
Oct 2025

Need a Pritzker or Newsom to stand up to the inevitable barrage of shit. Not that a strong woman couldn't do it, but too many Neanderthals in the voting public.

biocube

(212 posts)
83. Whether Democrats win in 2028
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:48 PM
Oct 2025

depends on whether they take the correct path and run as new-dealers and tell the billionaires if they don't like it they can eat shit.

And I do not care what's on the party platform on a website that no one reads. If there's one thing Trump does better than Dems it's self-branding. Dems come off as the party that only cares about how diverse the aristocracy is. Rebrand yourself so people think you care more about working people than how many women Fortune 500 CEOs there are.

Do that and it won't matter who the president is.

pinkstarburst

(2,019 posts)
107. And if we are foolish enough to choose her in the primary
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:18 PM
Oct 2025

then we will lose again in 2028. I have the highest respect for Harris. But the country already had a chance to weigh on her as a presidential candidate. They chose Trump over a highly qualified Black woman, despite having lived through his utter incompetence for a previous 4 years.

We would be completely insane to run ANY candidate who has already run in the general and lost. We should not run Hillary again. We should not run Al Gore again. We should not run Kamala Harris again. The country has had a chance to vote on all of those options and said NO THANKS!

We need to offer up a brand new ticket. If Harris still wants to be involved, I'm sure there's a great cabinet position for her.

ecstatic

(35,067 posts)
98. The left, right and middle are too sexist.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:21 AM
Oct 2025

I'm a woman, but at the current moment, I'm not sure I want to bet the last chance we have to save democracy on a woman candidate.

Sorry.

My opinion is not based on confidence in male leadership because I don't have any. I just can't handle another loss.

Jersey Devil

(10,832 posts)
100. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:35 AM
Oct 2025

My wife and I were talking about this just the other day. I'm 79 and she is 77 and sadly, we both agree that we won't see a woman elected President in our lifetimes. My prediction is that the next best chance for a woman will be AOC after she replaces Schumer as Senator from New York or someone like her who will have to pull what is left of America from the rubble that is left of it, a task so daunting that she will have to be almost superhuman to achieve ironically. BIG Sigh!

Hope22

(4,723 posts)
104. I don't think we lost because Harris is a woman.....
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:03 PM
Oct 2025

Until the corporate media is reined in and lying is called out in our elections….we will get more of what we have. On a side note we have to face the fact that men in this country do not have women’s backs. If they did Roe V Wade would not be an issue today. It feels bad to have lived through that rejection. There are many men right or left who will vote against the women and we have to ask ourselves why they would do that and whose fault is it when she loses?

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
110. Nope
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:52 PM
Oct 2025

At 52 - it's not happening in my lifetime. And if the magapubs run a woman - every nasty thing they said about Harris?


She's getting back ten fold from the K-Hive.

I don't know her name - but fuck her! She's already a 'ho' in my book. Turn about and vicious degradation is fair play.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Will a woman be our next ...