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jmowreader

(52,881 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:23 PM Oct 24

I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds

We are told that Trump wants to build a 90,000-square-foot ballroom and that he needed to remove the East Wing of the White House to get it in there.

According to Google Maps, it's only 150 feet from where the west wall of the East Wing used to stand to the fenceline encasing the White House property. Security considerations preclude taking the building all the way to the fence, so we'll say the ballroom can be no more than 100 feet wide. 90,000/100 = 900 feet long. If you start at the northern wall of the former East Wing, 900 feet lands your southern wall in the middle of E Street. The logical place to put this ballroom would have been below-grade on the north side of the White House - the fancy part that all the tourists want to see is on the south side - and by doing so, no demolition would have been required.

The question I'm starting to ask myself is, is Trump really planning to build a ballroom or did he just rip one end off the White House to be a vindictive dickhead?

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I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds (Original Post) jmowreader Oct 24 OP
Maybe he's carting it down to Mara Lago Raven123 Oct 24 #1
Option 2 dweller Oct 24 #2
Sadly, that seems to be true PatSeg Oct 24 #5
I call him a petulant toddler, but he's also a vindictive dickhead. CaptainTruth Oct 24 #28
100% vapor2 Oct 24 #55
I'll buy the vindictive aspect.... MiHale Oct 24 #3
Option B leftstreet Oct 24 #4
Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 24 #6
Square footage is calculated based on heated space only jmowreader Oct 24 #9
They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there. SunSeeker Oct 24 #17
That's why he's not done... lame54 Oct 24 #7
THIS orangecrush Oct 25 #57
Sheesh, I hope you're wrong. calimary Tuesday #61
A deep bunker for billionaires. thought crime Oct 24 #8
Only good if there popsdenver Oct 24 #30
There was a post here today where an actual Klarkashton Oct 24 #10
Here it is - a very interesting analysis. TheRickles Oct 24 #14
At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing allegorical oracle Oct 24 #11
90K is likely a lie JCMach1 Oct 24 #12
Of course. This coming from the guy... mwooldri Oct 24 #25
💯 JCMach1 Oct 24 #26
Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan" viva la Oct 24 #34
He has no idea how big the ballroom drmeow Oct 24 #13
I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country. NNadir Oct 24 #15
Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings? Half-step Oct 24 #16
All White House furnishings and fixtures are inventoried, or at least they used to be. nt SunSeeker Oct 24 #18
Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it. sop Oct 24 #39
lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago Arazi Oct 24 #52
There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space. maxsolomon Oct 24 #19
The plans will be released in two weeks. madinmaryland Oct 24 #21
Right after the plan to replace Obamacare, right? viva la Oct 24 #35
Motel 47 will open soon. We'll shine the light in your face. Rooms by the hour, sheets changed weekly, maybe. twodogsbarking Oct 24 #20
It's going to be a Trump Tower relayerbob Oct 24 #22
Vindictive dickhead works for me. ananda Oct 24 #23
3 levels is my guess. IbogaProject Oct 24 #24
Asking why is a good start quakerboy Oct 24 #27
I bet you're right. viva la Oct 24 #37
To be fair, someone is funding it quakerboy Oct 25 #59
I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the Autumn Oct 24 #29
Perhaps he's planning a nuclear war... RussBLib Oct 24 #38
I wander if this all has to do with the bunker. Melon Oct 24 #31
''...The logical place to put this Epstein ballroom would have been below-grade ...''. There, I fixed it. n/t aggiesal Oct 24 #32
A lot of people are saying he will build a ballroom the likes of which the world has never seen! nt Shermann Oct 24 #33
Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House usonian Oct 24 #36
"Take that, Melania!" viva la Oct 24 #43
He's a psychopath. The fact is... littlemissmartypants Oct 24 #40
Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day. viva la Oct 24 #45
Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month William Seger Oct 24 #41
The Republicans got their panties in a bunch doc03 Oct 24 #42
Yep dweller Oct 24 #44
I loathe the whole idea, but the north side yorkster Oct 24 #46
This is what I found ... aggiesal Oct 24 #47
I think #2, there was no reason to destroy the white house TommieMommy Oct 24 #48
He's just a vindictive dickhead, and by now he hates every last American Hekate Oct 24 #49
Money Laundering 101 SomedayKindaLove Oct 24 #50
Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . . peggysue2 Oct 24 #51
Remember, he always exaggerates square footage. hedda_foil Oct 24 #53
Perhaps he is building a new White House. Irish_Dem Oct 24 #54
To make the WH smaller and only half the size of his ballroom Buttoneer Oct 25 #56
Going vertical with a trump hotel over the throne room? Ruby the Liberal Oct 25 #58
Yes evilhime Oct 25 #60

MiHale

(12,587 posts)
3. I'll buy the vindictive aspect....
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:27 PM
Oct 24

But he’s not know for his accuracy of statements and mathematical problems.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:30 PM
Oct 24

There are no plans revealed, just a couple of useless AI renderings.

Regardless, he is "a vindictive dickhead".

jmowreader

(52,881 posts)
9. Square footage is calculated based on heated space only
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:39 PM
Oct 24

Hence, underground parking (which it will probably have - you can't expect high-class people to park their cars along Constitution Avenue) wouldn't factor into the square footage.

A second floor of heated space would reduce the length of the building to 450 feet, which would keep it inside the fenceline but make the place kinda uncomfortable to be in.

SunSeeker

(57,475 posts)
17. They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:46 PM
Oct 24

The Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC, PEE-ock) is a bunker underneath the East Wing of the White House. It serves as a secure shelter and communications center for the president of the United States and others in case of an emergency.

Trump used it in 2020 during the BLM protest in DC. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-george-floyd-politics-a2326518da6b25b4509bef1ec85f5d7f

lame54

(39,192 posts)
7. That's why he's not done...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:30 PM
Oct 24

With his deconstruction

He's going to take down the whole thing

calimary

(88,960 posts)
61. Sheesh, I hope you're wrong.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:46 PM
Tuesday

But these days, nothing he does makes any sense. So, destroying the whole thing just so he can redo it leaving HIS mark on it isn’t that crazy a thought anymore.

popsdenver

(1,486 posts)
30. Only good if there
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 24

is a J6th type insurrection against him and his chosen ones. If there is a nuclear hit,(s) there will be a crater, 500' deep where DC used to be....

Klarkashton

(4,652 posts)
10. There was a post here today where an actual
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:48 PM
Oct 24

Architect analyzed this project. None of the dimensions made any sense to them. There are no drawings apparently.

allegorical oracle

(6,145 posts)
11. At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:48 PM
Oct 24

the space you point out, it doesn't appear to provide two acres.

mwooldri

(10,786 posts)
25. Of course. This coming from the guy...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:06 PM
Oct 24

... that inflated the size of his Trump Towers apartment for mortgage evaluation purposes. I bet if he had to pay property tax on that "ballroom" it'd suddenly shrink to 900 sq foot...

viva la

(4,476 posts)
34. Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan"
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:28 PM
Oct 24

That was a lie, and also just about the most despicable thing to say immediately after that tragedy.

drmeow

(5,915 posts)
13. He has no idea how big the ballroom
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:15 PM
Oct 24

will actually be. He just pulled 90K out of his ass (which is why the whole thing stinks so bad). He's also a vindictive fuck who hates women and the First Lady's office was always in the East Wing.

A friend who used to work in the White House did say that they needed a bigger space (that Obama was spilling out into tents on the lawn) but that the East Wing is where the entrance to the bunker is so what's going on with that?

NNadir

(37,255 posts)
15. I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
Oct 24

Regrettably he is destroying far more than a building.

Half-step

(115 posts)
16. Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 24

Are all of them accounted for and stored somewhere safe (as US property)? Or are paintings showing up at Mar-a-Lago or other swamp locales?

SunSeeker

(57,475 posts)
18. All White House furnishings and fixtures are inventoried, or at least they used to be. nt
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Oct 24

sop

(17,353 posts)
39. Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:35 PM
Oct 24

What's a few furnishings and fixtures?

Arazi

(8,685 posts)
52. lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:57 PM
Oct 24

Traitor doesn’t think any of it is worth anything. I’m guessing he just bulldozed it all

maxsolomon

(38,130 posts)
19. There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:51 PM
Oct 24

don't sweat the 90K number.

the plans probably aren't done yet. maybe you should call McCrery architects and get a PDF.

https://www.mccreryarchitects.com/

twodogsbarking

(17,541 posts)
20. Motel 47 will open soon. We'll shine the light in your face. Rooms by the hour, sheets changed weekly, maybe.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:53 PM
Oct 24

ananda

(34,342 posts)
23. Vindictive dickhead works for me.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 24

It doesn't strike me that anyone inolved in this mess
knows what they hell they are doing.

quakerboy

(14,701 posts)
27. Asking why is a good start
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:10 PM
Oct 24

What personal benefit to trump does it have would be another good question.

Other questions I would be asking if i was in a position to get answers: Who is doing the work? What are the security risks of the destruction and the future construction? Who is making money off of this, and how?

For all we know this is a straight up Russian OP to plant permanent surveillance in white house concrete walls and taps into communications hardlines. Or just another trump cash grab. Or another sad attempt at distraction from the Epstein files.

Or all three and more.

viva la

(4,476 posts)
37. I bet you're right.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:31 PM
Oct 24

This stinks to high heaven. He's claiming it's paid for by his rich buddies, so that he doesn't have to account for the $. But we really have no idea who is funding this, if anyone.

quakerboy

(14,701 posts)
59. To be fair, someone is funding it
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:12 PM
Oct 25

The one thing we can be sure of is that Trump doesnt pay for himself.

Autumn

(48,723 posts)
29. I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:15 PM
Oct 24

amenities. No one knows what that SOB is really doing.

RussBLib

(10,421 posts)
38. Perhaps he's planning a nuclear war...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:33 PM
Oct 24

....and thinks he and his rich buddies can survive it

Melon

(1,016 posts)
31. I wander if this all has to do with the bunker.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 24

You would need to tear it down to do serious security work in the bunker as well.

aggiesal

(10,530 posts)
32. ''...The logical place to put this Epstein ballroom would have been below-grade ...''. There, I fixed it. n/t
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:23 PM
Oct 24

Shermann

(9,004 posts)
33. A lot of people are saying he will build a ballroom the likes of which the world has never seen! nt
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:26 PM
Oct 24

usonian

(23,428 posts)
36. Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:30 PM
Oct 24
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/satellite-shows-whats-really-happening-at-the-east-wing-of-the-white-house/

This image taken Thursday from a SkySat Earth observation satellite shows that the East Wing of the White House is gone. Credit: Planet Labs PBC



Eyes always above
Without press access to see the demolition firsthand, it fell to a camera hundreds of miles above the White House to see what was really happening at the East Wing. Planet Labs released an image taken Thursday morning from one of its SkySat satellites showing the 123-year-old annex leveled.


What became known as the East Wing was first constructed in 1902 and was then rebuilt in 1942 during the Franklin Roosevelt administration to create more office space and provide cover for a bunker during World War II. In modern presidencies, the East Wing was typically home to the first lady’s staff.

Planet Labs, based in San Francisco, operates a fleet of hundreds of small Earth-imaging satellites mapping the planet every day. The company sells its imagery to commercial customers and the US government, including intelligence agencies, which use the imagery to augment the surveillance capabilities of more exquisite government-owned spy satellites.

...

The SkySat satellite used for Thursday’s examination of the White House flies at an altitude of approximately 295 miles (475 kilometers). It can capture imagery with a resolution of about 20 inches (50 centimeters) per pixel. Planet Labs owns 15 SkySats, each with three overlapping 5.5-megapixel imaging sensors fitted under a downward-facing 14-inch-diameter (35-centimeter) telescope, according to the company.

littlemissmartypants

(31,533 posts)
40. He's a psychopath. The fact is...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Oct 24

He truly thinks everyone's a dickhead except him.

Here's a good article about signs of psychopathic tendencies:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201910/8-possible-signs-of-psychopathic-tendencies

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

viva la

(4,476 posts)
45. Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 24

10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others

That's the absolute center of Trump.

William Seger

(12,186 posts)
41. Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:00 PM
Oct 24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_State_Ballroom

From that, I estimate that the footprint shown is only about 38,000 square feet. So it would need to be bigger than that and two floors to get anywhere near 90,000 square feet.

doc03

(38,804 posts)
42. The Republicans got their panties in a bunch
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:00 PM
Oct 24

over the Cracker Barrel guy. Trump knocks down the WH, crickets

yorkster

(3,660 posts)
46. I loathe the whole idea, but the north side
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:18 PM
Oct 24

would be wrong in so many ways. It's the main ceremonial face of the White House.
It's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I know, I know, nothing is guaranteed, off-limits or historically relevant at this point...

SomedayKindaLove

(1,174 posts)
50. Money Laundering 101
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:50 PM
Oct 24

And of course I’m sure there will be delays and tariffs that add to the totals.

peggysue2

(12,372 posts)
51. Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . .
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:53 PM
Oct 24

Presidential Emergency Operations Center, basically a pre-existing bunker to ensure the safety of the very important, entitled people in a large-scale emergency. The bunker is beneath the now destroyed East Wing. If Trump wants to expand this to anywhere near his proposed ballroom, I guess all his donors could fit in there too with gilded, posh accouterments; a well-stocked bar (and a lifetime of Diet Coke); food supplies; medical supplies including recreational drugs; and underage girls galore.

The question is, of course (if this has any credibility): Why would Trump want a Dooms-Day bunker?

Is this where he plans to hide once the American Citizenry have had enough and decide to storm the Bastille, as they say? Or is this in case whatever war he decides to enter goes sideways?

Inquiring people want to know.



hedda_foil

(16,899 posts)
53. Remember, he always exaggerates square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:05 PM
Oct 24

Charge for 90,000sf. and build and pay for 20,000. It's just another grift.

Irish_Dem

(79,527 posts)
54. Perhaps he is building a new White House.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:06 PM
Oct 24

His current plans are at $3000 per square foot, when it should be tops $1000 per sq foot for a ballroom.

I think he must be building new living quarters, underground bunker, etc.

He hates the current WH, he thinks it is a dump.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,598 posts)
58. Going vertical with a trump hotel over the throne room?
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 08:52 AM
Oct 25

Can't have this many guests paying someone else for their stay.

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