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jmowreader

(52,996 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:23 PM Oct 2025

I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds

We are told that Trump wants to build a 90,000-square-foot ballroom and that he needed to remove the East Wing of the White House to get it in there.

According to Google Maps, it's only 150 feet from where the west wall of the East Wing used to stand to the fenceline encasing the White House property. Security considerations preclude taking the building all the way to the fence, so we'll say the ballroom can be no more than 100 feet wide. 90,000/100 = 900 feet long. If you start at the northern wall of the former East Wing, 900 feet lands your southern wall in the middle of E Street. The logical place to put this ballroom would have been below-grade on the north side of the White House - the fancy part that all the tourists want to see is on the south side - and by doing so, no demolition would have been required.

The question I'm starting to ask myself is, is Trump really planning to build a ballroom or did he just rip one end off the White House to be a vindictive dickhead?

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I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds (Original Post) jmowreader Oct 2025 OP
Maybe he's carting it down to Mara Lago Raven123 Oct 2025 #1
Option 2 dweller Oct 2025 #2
Sadly, that seems to be true PatSeg Oct 2025 #5
I call him a petulant toddler, but he's also a vindictive dickhead. CaptainTruth Oct 2025 #28
100% vapor2 Oct 2025 #55
I'll buy the vindictive aspect.... MiHale Oct 2025 #3
Option B leftstreet Oct 2025 #4
Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #6
Square footage is calculated based on heated space only jmowreader Oct 2025 #9
They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #17
That's why he's not done... lame54 Oct 2025 #7
THIS orangecrush Oct 2025 #57
Sheesh, I hope you're wrong. calimary Dec 30 #61
A deep bunker for billionaires. thought crime Oct 2025 #8
Only good if there popsdenver Oct 2025 #30
There was a post here today where an actual Klarkashton Oct 2025 #10
Here it is - a very interesting analysis. TheRickles Oct 2025 #14
At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing allegorical oracle Oct 2025 #11
90K is likely a lie JCMach1 Oct 2025 #12
Of course. This coming from the guy... mwooldri Oct 2025 #25
💯 JCMach1 Oct 2025 #26
Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan" viva la Oct 2025 #34
He has no idea how big the ballroom drmeow Oct 2025 #13
I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country. NNadir Oct 2025 #15
Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings? Half-step Oct 2025 #16
All White House furnishings and fixtures are inventoried, or at least they used to be. nt SunSeeker Oct 2025 #18
Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it. sop Oct 2025 #39
lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago Arazi Oct 2025 #52
There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #19
The plans will be released in two weeks. madinmaryland Oct 2025 #21
Right after the plan to replace Obamacare, right? viva la Oct 2025 #35
Motel 47 will open soon. We'll shine the light in your face. Rooms by the hour, sheets changed weekly, maybe. twodogsbarking Oct 2025 #20
It's going to be a Trump Tower relayerbob Oct 2025 #22
Vindictive dickhead works for me. ananda Oct 2025 #23
3 levels is my guess. IbogaProject Oct 2025 #24
Asking why is a good start quakerboy Oct 2025 #27
I bet you're right. viva la Oct 2025 #37
To be fair, someone is funding it quakerboy Oct 2025 #59
I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the Autumn Oct 2025 #29
Perhaps he's planning a nuclear war... RussBLib Oct 2025 #38
I wander if this all has to do with the bunker. Melon Oct 2025 #31
''...The logical place to put this Epstein ballroom would have been below-grade ...''. There, I fixed it. n/t aggiesal Oct 2025 #32
A lot of people are saying he will build a ballroom the likes of which the world has never seen! nt Shermann Oct 2025 #33
Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House usonian Oct 2025 #36
"Take that, Melania!" viva la Oct 2025 #43
He's a psychopath. The fact is... littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #40
Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day. viva la Oct 2025 #45
Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month William Seger Oct 2025 #41
The Republicans got their panties in a bunch doc03 Oct 2025 #42
Yep dweller Oct 2025 #44
I loathe the whole idea, but the north side yorkster Oct 2025 #46
This is what I found ... aggiesal Oct 2025 #47
I think #2, there was no reason to destroy the white house TommieMommy Oct 2025 #48
He's just a vindictive dickhead, and by now he hates every last American Hekate Oct 2025 #49
Money Laundering 101 SomedayKindaLove Oct 2025 #50
Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . . peggysue2 Oct 2025 #51
Remember, he always exaggerates square footage. hedda_foil Oct 2025 #53
Perhaps he is building a new White House. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #54
To make the WH smaller and only half the size of his ballroom Buttoneer Oct 2025 #56
Going vertical with a trump hotel over the throne room? Ruby the Liberal Oct 2025 #58
Yes evilhime Oct 2025 #60

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:30 PM
Oct 2025

There are no plans revealed, just a couple of useless AI renderings.

Regardless, he is "a vindictive dickhead".

jmowreader

(52,996 posts)
9. Square footage is calculated based on heated space only
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:39 PM
Oct 2025

Hence, underground parking (which it will probably have - you can't expect high-class people to park their cars along Constitution Avenue) wouldn't factor into the square footage.

A second floor of heated space would reduce the length of the building to 450 feet, which would keep it inside the fenceline but make the place kinda uncomfortable to be in.

SunSeeker

(57,885 posts)
17. They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:46 PM
Oct 2025

The Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC, PEE-ock) is a bunker underneath the East Wing of the White House. It serves as a secure shelter and communications center for the president of the United States and others in case of an emergency.

Trump used it in 2020 during the BLM protest in DC. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-george-floyd-politics-a2326518da6b25b4509bef1ec85f5d7f

calimary

(89,294 posts)
61. Sheesh, I hope you're wrong.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:46 PM
Dec 30

But these days, nothing he does makes any sense. So, destroying the whole thing just so he can redo it leaving HIS mark on it isn’t that crazy a thought anymore.

popsdenver

(1,870 posts)
30. Only good if there
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 2025

is a J6th type insurrection against him and his chosen ones. If there is a nuclear hit,(s) there will be a crater, 500' deep where DC used to be....

Klarkashton

(5,034 posts)
10. There was a post here today where an actual
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:48 PM
Oct 2025

Architect analyzed this project. None of the dimensions made any sense to them. There are no drawings apparently.

allegorical oracle

(6,323 posts)
11. At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:48 PM
Oct 2025

the space you point out, it doesn't appear to provide two acres.

mwooldri

(10,799 posts)
25. Of course. This coming from the guy...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:06 PM
Oct 2025

... that inflated the size of his Trump Towers apartment for mortgage evaluation purposes. I bet if he had to pay property tax on that "ballroom" it'd suddenly shrink to 900 sq foot...

viva la

(4,546 posts)
34. Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan"
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:28 PM
Oct 2025

That was a lie, and also just about the most despicable thing to say immediately after that tragedy.

drmeow

(5,960 posts)
13. He has no idea how big the ballroom
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:15 PM
Oct 2025

will actually be. He just pulled 90K out of his ass (which is why the whole thing stinks so bad). He's also a vindictive fuck who hates women and the First Lady's office was always in the East Wing.

A friend who used to work in the White House did say that they needed a bigger space (that Obama was spilling out into tents on the lawn) but that the East Wing is where the entrance to the bunker is so what's going on with that?

NNadir

(37,534 posts)
15. I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
Oct 2025

Regrettably he is destroying far more than a building.

Half-step

(119 posts)
16. Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 2025

Are all of them accounted for and stored somewhere safe (as US property)? Or are paintings showing up at Mar-a-Lago or other swamp locales?

sop

(17,923 posts)
39. Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:35 PM
Oct 2025

What's a few furnishings and fixtures?

Arazi

(8,777 posts)
52. lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:57 PM
Oct 2025

Traitor doesn’t think any of it is worth anything. I’m guessing he just bulldozed it all

maxsolomon

(38,393 posts)
19. There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:51 PM
Oct 2025

don't sweat the 90K number.

the plans probably aren't done yet. maybe you should call McCrery architects and get a PDF.

https://www.mccreryarchitects.com/

ananda

(34,596 posts)
23. Vindictive dickhead works for me.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 2025

It doesn't strike me that anyone inolved in this mess
knows what they hell they are doing.

quakerboy

(14,780 posts)
27. Asking why is a good start
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:10 PM
Oct 2025

What personal benefit to trump does it have would be another good question.

Other questions I would be asking if i was in a position to get answers: Who is doing the work? What are the security risks of the destruction and the future construction? Who is making money off of this, and how?

For all we know this is a straight up Russian OP to plant permanent surveillance in white house concrete walls and taps into communications hardlines. Or just another trump cash grab. Or another sad attempt at distraction from the Epstein files.

Or all three and more.

viva la

(4,546 posts)
37. I bet you're right.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:31 PM
Oct 2025

This stinks to high heaven. He's claiming it's paid for by his rich buddies, so that he doesn't have to account for the $. But we really have no idea who is funding this, if anyone.

Autumn

(48,867 posts)
29. I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:15 PM
Oct 2025

amenities. No one knows what that SOB is really doing.

Melon

(1,176 posts)
31. I wander if this all has to do with the bunker.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 2025

You would need to tear it down to do serious security work in the bunker as well.

usonian

(24,104 posts)
36. Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:30 PM
Oct 2025
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/satellite-shows-whats-really-happening-at-the-east-wing-of-the-white-house/

This image taken Thursday from a SkySat Earth observation satellite shows that the East Wing of the White House is gone. Credit: Planet Labs PBC



Eyes always above
Without press access to see the demolition firsthand, it fell to a camera hundreds of miles above the White House to see what was really happening at the East Wing. Planet Labs released an image taken Thursday morning from one of its SkySat satellites showing the 123-year-old annex leveled.


What became known as the East Wing was first constructed in 1902 and was then rebuilt in 1942 during the Franklin Roosevelt administration to create more office space and provide cover for a bunker during World War II. In modern presidencies, the East Wing was typically home to the first lady’s staff.

Planet Labs, based in San Francisco, operates a fleet of hundreds of small Earth-imaging satellites mapping the planet every day. The company sells its imagery to commercial customers and the US government, including intelligence agencies, which use the imagery to augment the surveillance capabilities of more exquisite government-owned spy satellites.

...

The SkySat satellite used for Thursday’s examination of the White House flies at an altitude of approximately 295 miles (475 kilometers). It can capture imagery with a resolution of about 20 inches (50 centimeters) per pixel. Planet Labs owns 15 SkySats, each with three overlapping 5.5-megapixel imaging sensors fitted under a downward-facing 14-inch-diameter (35-centimeter) telescope, according to the company.

littlemissmartypants

(32,803 posts)
40. He's a psychopath. The fact is...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Oct 2025

He truly thinks everyone's a dickhead except him.

Here's a good article about signs of psychopathic tendencies:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201910/8-possible-signs-of-psychopathic-tendencies

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

viva la

(4,546 posts)
45. Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 2025

10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others

That's the absolute center of Trump.

William Seger

(12,281 posts)
41. Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:00 PM
Oct 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_State_Ballroom

From that, I estimate that the footprint shown is only about 38,000 square feet. So it would need to be bigger than that and two floors to get anywhere near 90,000 square feet.

yorkster

(3,724 posts)
46. I loathe the whole idea, but the north side
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:18 PM
Oct 2025

would be wrong in so many ways. It's the main ceremonial face of the White House.
It's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I know, I know, nothing is guaranteed, off-limits or historically relevant at this point...

peggysue2

(12,443 posts)
51. Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . .
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:53 PM
Oct 2025

Presidential Emergency Operations Center, basically a pre-existing bunker to ensure the safety of the very important, entitled people in a large-scale emergency. The bunker is beneath the now destroyed East Wing. If Trump wants to expand this to anywhere near his proposed ballroom, I guess all his donors could fit in there too with gilded, posh accouterments; a well-stocked bar (and a lifetime of Diet Coke); food supplies; medical supplies including recreational drugs; and underage girls galore.

The question is, of course (if this has any credibility): Why would Trump want a Dooms-Day bunker?

Is this where he plans to hide once the American Citizenry have had enough and decide to storm the Bastille, as they say? Or is this in case whatever war he decides to enter goes sideways?

Inquiring people want to know.



hedda_foil

(16,946 posts)
53. Remember, he always exaggerates square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:05 PM
Oct 2025

Charge for 90,000sf. and build and pay for 20,000. It's just another grift.

Irish_Dem

(80,415 posts)
54. Perhaps he is building a new White House.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:06 PM
Oct 2025

His current plans are at $3000 per square foot, when it should be tops $1000 per sq foot for a ballroom.

I think he must be building new living quarters, underground bunker, etc.

He hates the current WH, he thinks it is a dump.

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