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[lapfog_1]

1. brasov, Romania

if the war in Ukraine dies down... otherwise Spain or Brazil

[hlthe2b]

2. Very Good for you--Spain is wonderful. But many are not financially able to do so...

So, be careful who you bring this up around because I overheard a sizeable group recently do so, and at least four or five older individuals were sincere and candid, saying their ONLY "out' was suicide. This really alarmed me, but in communicating with some medical and counseling colleagues across the country, this feeling is not isolated among our population.

Sorry to be a bummer to your discussion, as I think Spain would be wonderful, but please just realize that we are about to see an explosive increase in suicides among several age groups, but highly correlated with those who have minimal financial means to escape.

[piddyprints]

5. Thank you.

We would leave if we could. Things seem pretty hopeless for those of us who have no choice.

[moonscape]

40. This. I am not willing to continue

going through cancer treatment (not that the govt will continue covering it) to prolong a life that perhaps will have had enough.

[milestogo]

3. Ecuador or Botswana

Both beautiful places

[viva la]

4. I love Tuscany--

But I think I'll stay put and resist.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. I'd leave except I can't figure out how to take my money out of the country.

[Initech]

7. Do you think he will let us leave?

[livetohike]

8. Slovakia. I'm eligible for Citizenship By Descent.

I’ve always wanted to go there and am in touch with distant cousins.

[Celerity]

15. Slovakia is not in good shape atm. Robert Fico is taking them down a hard RW, illiberal, nationalist, Putin-hugging path

this is from a year ago:



https://www.freiheit.org/central-europe-and-baltic-states/path-illiberal-democracy

One year after the election and the renewed takeover by Robert Fico, a clear trend towards illiberal democracy is emerging in Slovakia. With his populist agenda and a pro-Russian as well as increasingly authoritarian style of governance, Fico is advancing extensive control over institutions, prompting critics to compare these developments with those in Hungary and Poland under the former PiS government. This comprehensive centralization of power is meeting resistance from civil society, the liberal opposition, and European institutions, who view democratic principles and the rule of law as threatened. Fico is also attempting to silence these voices as effectively as possible.

Following the snap parliamentary elections in September 2023, Robert Fico, the leader of the social-democratic, yet now strongly populist party SMER-SD (Direction – Social Democracy), was appointed as prime minister for the fourth time (with interruptions). The ruling coalition consists of SMER-SD, HLAS-SD (Voice – Social Democracy, the party of the current president Peter Pellegrini), and the SNS (Slovak National Party), which holds positions ranging from right-wing populist to far-right. Since his return, Slovak politics has been marked by dynamic yet polarizing developments, evoking associations for many observers with the pathways to illiberal democracy seen in Poland and Hungary – though the speed and radicalism of reforms in Slovakia are unprecedented. Fico's increasingly authoritarian style of governance is particularly evident in his control over central institutions and a foreign policy heavily aligned with Russia and China, which has raised security concerns within the EU.

Power Takeover and Control of the State Apparatus

Since October 2023, Fico has been systematically reshaping the Slovak state apparatus. On the very first day of his government’s swearing-in, the police leadership was replaced. This was followed by a criminal law reform that, among other things, included the dissolution of the special prosecutor's office for corruption cases and a reduction in penalties for corruption offenses. These reforms have raised concerns within the EU, which even considered freezing its cohesion funds for Slovakia temporarily. Although Slovakia’s Constitutional Court confirmed the constitutionality of these reforms, Fico was forced to make some adjustments under EU pressure, specifically to strengthen protections for the EU’s financial interests. Ultimately, the EU funds were released. However, a series of problematic changes were adopted without modification; the special prosecutor's office no longer exists, and the reduction in penalties for thefts is likely a major reason for the increase in petty crime in Slovakia.

Additionally, the National Criminal Agency (Slovak abbreviation NAKA), which had previously investigated numerous corruption cases involving prominent SMER members, was dissolved. In its place, a new unit for combating organized crime was established. The intelligence service also came under Fico’s control: a politically well-connected head – the son of an SMER deputy – was appointed, without the consent of then-President Zuzana Čaputová. These incidents clearly suggest that political loyalty in the country’s most significant institutions is being prioritized over competence and transparency, crossing a clear line of what is expected from the leadership of a democratic country. Political loyalty and nepotism in key positions within the state apparatus are among the most prominent characteristics of an authoritarian state.

Pressure on Media and Civil Society..............

snip

[livetohike]

31. Thanks for posting this. I hear of it via my cousins.

Slovakia had a female President prior to Fico. She was an environmentalist and I think the youngest President they’ve had. I don’t know what happened. Looks like a world wide wave of right wing b.s.

[Ping Tung]

9. Canada. It's only about 150 miles north and my mother was a Brit when Canada was still i in the empire.

[Bettie]

10. I've got nowhere to go

not enough money to buy citizenship anywhere and my family has been here too long to get it by birthright anywhere.

[HappyH]

17. Same with me

I don’t have a good option, so I’ll stay and fight as best I can.

[RockRaven]

11. It is a fantasy to think that other countries will accept mass immigration of Americans.

In any such case where a mass migration movement kicked off, it would be accompanied by so many other aberrations (like actual literal belligerence from the ruling administration to any nation accepting those fleeing, the extra-legal confiscation of the emigrants' property/accounts by the ruling administration on BS pretenses, and the US dollar massively losing value) that other nations will violate/change their own rules and norms to deny us entry/refuge.

If you want to leave, you had better do so early and quietly before the numbers balloon.

[tinrobot]

12. Wife has applied for Italian citizenship

Her grandfather was from Italy, so she technically qualifies. But, she's got to get all the paperwork in place for approval.

[LuckyCharms]

18. I've been thinking about that...

Both sets of Grandparents came over on the boat from Italy, but I don't have any of their documentation!

[CanonRay]

36. I have as well. My court date is February 10th

Fingers crossed

[chowder66]

13. Stay and fight.

[Billsdaughter]

44. Here here. My daddy and his daddy

Before him didn't die for this country for me to just up and leave. No fucking way. I will fight to the end or the beginning. Either one.

[lastlib]

14. I have a cousin in Canada, if I can slip across the border....

Second choice New Zealand or Australia. I'd have to re-learn French to go anyplace else.

[dameatball]

16. I'm pretty sure I can get one of those "genius" visas to just about anywhere. 😁

[dem4decades]

54. so you're saying you are as smart as Melania?

[dameatball]

66. Who isn't? I can post smilies in 62 languages.

[DoBW]

19. If popcorn still available

I 'll eat some popcorn and watch the weenies run.
then it's all about "resistance"

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26184/pg26184-images.html

[Maru Kitteh]

20. British Columbia, with our daughter and granddaughter

[OC375]

21. Staying Put

I'm not moving for anyone, anymore.

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

22. Well, I can do like all the MAGAs around me, buy an automatic machine gun and start practice shooting.

Tree of liberty...yada, yada, yada!

[MuseRider]

23. Tortola BVI first choice

Second choice Guanaja, Honduras.

[Tribetime]

24. Homeless can't afford anything

[Greg_In_SF]

25. I'm not going anywhere

my Mama didn't raise no quitter.

[GaYellowDawg]

26. None.

I don't have the money to move abroad. I'm happy for all of you who do, but I'm stuck.

[lindalou65]

27. Plan B

As for my husband and me, we won't likely leave. It's a great idea to have a plan B if possible. We probably have enough money, but it's difficult to find a country that will take us older folks whose ancestors have been in the US for about 200 years. We don't have grandparents or close family members anywhere out of the US. In addition, as my brother put it, "we shouldn't have to leave our own country."
I have thought we might go to Mexico--there are safe places to live and it's cheaper than the US. We are within a few hundred miles north of the border. If we become desperate that is an option I think. I wonder too if the Trump regime will allow us to leave. So hard to predict.
I hope there is a way to help those who want to leave but don't have enough money. Aside from money worries, there's also the issue of health concerns that will make it very difficult for people to leave.
In the meantime, we have to do everything in our power to stop Trump and his regime. Take each day as it comes.

[kimbutgar]

28. I've been to Alicante and it's so beautiful

That said, I think the west coast will secede from Washington. So I’m staying put in my west coast state.

[CanonRay]

37. I don't see this ending any other way

There's no chance of reconciliation with these people

[BlueKota]

39. I hope NY does too.

[highplainsdem]

56. You really think Trump or any wannabe dictator who might follow him would allow any states to

secede? Trump in particular would be likely to use every weapon he has to stop it.

He especially wouldn't accept the loss of any east or west coast ports.

[kimbutgar]

57. Sadly you are probably right

But we can dream and fight back. He’s a crazed lunatic that everyday is exposing himself and scaring people even his magaloons are going to feel the brunt his policies.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

29. What Greg in SF said: I'm not going anywhere. NT

[NeoTrajan]

30. I do have Italian Citizenship by descent available

But hey, I'm retired, and I need a backup plan in case they suddenly pull Social Security off the table

So lower rent locales, like Vietnam, Malaysia, etc, are looking really attractive from a quality of life standpoint.

Nothing would please me more than living a beachy life, at least for a while .... I'll probably bounce every 89 days to other locales and see how all that goes

It's a big world, and either I can stew in this MAGA horseshit or find a beach somewhere and watch a sunrise over the ocean

[Mossfern]

32. Gonna stick around

I'm determined to have a great time haunting my house - joining ranks with the other spirits already here.
I'm too old and set in my ways. And then there's the health issues....I just don't think I have the energy to relocate.

[Tommy Carcetti]

33. I mean, I could claim Ukrainian citizenship pretty easily...

...but that would be going from the frying pan into the fire at this point.

I could probably pull Polish citizenship due to family ties as well, but that's right in Putin's eyesight as well, so perhaps not much better.

My problem is that not only is my chosen career specific to my American citizenship, but actually my state of residence as well, meaning I'd have to start over if I left the country.

That being said, I'm not running unless I absolutely have to. Meaning I'd basically have to be viewed as an enemy of the state to get me to leave. My grandparents were forced to flee their homeland due to political persecution, war and authoritarianism. It was an extremely difficult decision for them to make, and they didn't want to do it; they had to.

[CTyankee]

34. I wish I could do that.

Based on my heritage, I'd have to go either to Wales or Scotland, neither of which interests me. I'd love to go live in Sicily but alas, I have no Sicilian heritage.

[rzemanfl]

35. The front lines, wherever they may be.

I am 78 years old and wouldn't last long, but as Churchill said when things looked grim, "you can always take one with you."

[bamagal62]

38. I've considered Portugal.

Or, just buy property very close to the Canadian border. Then, I could just run across if need be! Hahaha

[Tripper11]

41. I have 2 choices

Canada is number 1 being a Canadian and also England. I realized I was an automatic British Citizen having been born there before 1983.
I'm already working on my British passport now
3rd would be Spain if I could

[BlueKota]

42. My heritage is a mix of Irish, Italian, and Scottish.

I don't qualify for dual citizenship though in any of them because my father's parents were born in the U.S. and my great grandparents were naturalized long before I was born.

On my mother's side, her parents were born in Italy but they were naturalized before she was born, so I don't qualify for citizenship there either.

I couldn't afford to go even if I did, and to be honest I don't think any where in the world is going to be safe anymore. I think tsf is going to start WWIII, and chances of surviving aren't going to be good.

[MurrayDelph]

43. I'd be in Spain now

if it weren't for being a 70-year-old diabetic with an artificial knee that needs revisiting.

What these places that have universal healthcare don't tell you is that you have to pay your own way for the first two years to make sure you really want to stay there (and not just take advantage of their healthcare), and we spent months unsuccessfully attempting to find a third-party insurance company.

I could theoretically get Czech citizenship through my father, or Hungarian through my maternal grandmother, but there's this something about them all leaving over 100 years ago (and Jewish records having been destroyed) that makes it tough to follow-up.

[QueerDuck]

45. He would likely be assassinated by someone with access...

an agent or guard with a gun? A pilot? A chef? A relative?

[Johnny2X2X]

46. I am worried they'll not let us bring our money.

I’m worried when people flee in serious numbers, they’ll direct the banks to freeze our assets so we’ll be leaving our means of living behind. I can also see them canceling social security for ex pats.

[highplainsdem]

48. I'd guess that both those things you're worried about are almost guaranteed.

[Johnny2X2X]

63. I think they've already floated that on Social Security

They want to take away US citizens living abroad's right to vote too.

A lot of people retire to cheaper to live countries like Mexico or Costa Rica, their Social Security income affords them a decent retirement, you take that away and most of those people would be forced to return to the US.

On 401Ks, you can do a rollover IRA and then take a lump sum that can be moved to reliable accounts out of country.

For the record, we're not to the point of fleeing yet, but I see it coming because I truly think the path we're going down leads to genocide. Republicans want to exterminate America Liberals, all 100 million of us. Stephen Miller is on record as wanting to kill more than that. I think we're months, not years away from those ICE camps being repurposed to house protesters, soon after that people will start to flee.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

47. I'm not leaving,

I was born in the USA, I served in the military for 35 years, I have a thriving business here, my children, grandchildren, great grandchildren live here, I will not abandon them nor my country just because a wannabe tin pot loser wants to turn this great country into another N. Korea.

In 1964, I took an Oath to defend this country from foreign and domestic enemies, and, unfortunately, it looks like we have to do it again, this time against a domestic, terrorist admin.
I still live by that Oath to this day, it's what defines my life.

If people want to leave, god bless them and I wish them all the luck in the world, but for me and my family, friends, I cannot, in good conscience, leave them to fend for themselves, that, to me, is not an option.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

65. This.

[Oeditpus Rex]

49. When that happens

I think I'll declare myself god. Or maybe I'll become invisible so he can't... uh, what is it he's gonna do after he announces, "I am the emperor!" and everybody just says, "Well, okay then"?

[VMA131Marine]

50. Already have dual citizenship with the UK

since I was born there and my daughter is eligible too. That said, a UK passport is not nearly as valuable as it was before Brexit.

[Jack Valentino]

51. I have no planned destination abroad....

but there might be a local visit to "Not Just Guns"

[rso]

52. Emperor

My wife and I are staying and resisting. The majority in this Country will not be taken over by fascists, we will fight and we will win.

[Blues Heron]

53. I'll be riding this hell train to the bitter end, zero chance of moving anywhere.

[peacebuzzard]

55. Dollar is tanking but I will still visit abroad

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Whenever I want to but I have too many critters I care for; so, no chance of going abroad for more than 4-5 days

[vapor2]

58. Considering Canada, Portugal, Ireland

We are older so not so easy to but really despise troops in our streets

[arkielib]

59. I would love to live in Ireland.

Sadly, I have no expectation I would be allowed to immigrate there.

[oberle]

60. Costa Rica

There is a "colony" of people who worked for Ohio University, as did I. I'm not sure where they are but it's a lovely country.

[Bayard]

61. I thought pretty hard about it,

But finally decided we're not going anywhere. Just not possible, logistically or financially. Not about to leave my farm and animals, and couldn't afford to move them. Husband is totally against moving.

I do worry about my animals if things get really bad here too. I'm righteously pissed off enough to stay and fight. I've had to do it before, and I'm not about to lose my home again.

[Kaleva]

62. Can't really run away from climate change

[mucholderthandirt]

64. There's no place for me to go. I have no money, I'm old with no skills. No money other than SS.

Plus my kids won't leave, and I'd never leave them here. I'll die fighting fascists before I'd leave my boys and my only grandchild.

[Torchlight]

67. Staying put.

If the worst comes to pass, I'll go down with the memory of a wonderful country I grew up in. If it comes to pass as I expect though, the hematoma will pop in late '28 leaving a gross mess but one that can be cleaned up with some elbow grease and a big can of sea-lion repellent.