General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWords matter. PRONUCIATION matters. Please pronounce "antifa" correctly
Last edited Tue Oct 28, 2025, 10:35 AM - Edit history (1)
(Edited to correct the spelling of pronunciation, because spelling can matter too.)
Somewhere along the line, somebody decided the the enterprise of opposing global fascism should be given a cute little name that rolls off the tongue. The fascists have taken that term and turned it into a negative, an epithet. They are very good at using words as weapons, and we meekly go along with the debate on their terms.
We must stop doing that. an-TEE-fuh sounds frivolous, like a mixed drink or something and does nothing to emphasize the key issue, which is fascism.
Please pronounce it the right way, which is AN-tie-FEH. Get it? We are AN-tie FEH-cism. Let the words work for us, not against us.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,074 posts)Blues Heron
(8,894 posts)MineralMan
(151,400 posts)Still, Pronouciation is pretty funny. I laughed out loud.
Bluetus
(2,930 posts)leftstreet
(41,042 posts)Bluetus
(2,930 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 28, 2025, 11:36 AM - Edit history (1)
I don't expect we can change the word. But when in conversations, we can draw attention to the true meaning by intentionally pronouncing it in a more accurate way.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,443 posts)Even the folks in the movement (including my son in Portland and his circle) refer to it as an-TEE-fuh.
They know what they mean, and what they stand for, and so do we.
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #7)
Name removed Message auto-removed
louis-t
(24,635 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,511 posts)taxi
(2,735 posts)Auntie Fa, a parent's sibling.
Bluetus
(2,930 posts)"Aunt TEE-fa" completely loses the concept and allows the fascists to turn it into the opposite.
thought crime
(1,649 posts)The more the Fascists complain about Antifa, the more certain it is that they are indeed Fascists.
Bluetus
(2,930 posts)and that is literally true. But the Frank Luntz crowd has done to anti-fascism what they did to liberalism.
If we want "antifa" to work for us, then we MUST communicate plainly that it is a CONCEPT, and not an organization, and that it is the concept of opposing fascism. Being careful how we say the word can be effective way to get the point across quickly.
We lost this same word battle badly with Black Lives Matter
gulliver
(14,029 posts)Don't dignify it. Democrats need to disavow "Antifa." It's a figment of the fevered Republican imagination. A bunch of cosplayers in ninja outfits. If we disavow it, we disavow no one. It's all upside.
Bluetus
(2,930 posts)If you are saying that when somebody says "antifa", we should call a time-out and say "Wait, are you talking about anti-fascism, like the greatest generation fighting in WWII?", I'm good with that. The nature of debate is that we don't always get such an opening. But we should never pronounce their word as "an-TEE-fa". Never
At minimum, we should pronounce it as suggested above, or go the extra step of breaking it anti-fascism if the situation permits.
gulliver
(14,029 posts)"Antifa" is gone. We can't even say "anti-fascism" anymore, unfortunately. The words have all been warped in our language by the media fixating on the "cray cray" folks.
People really, really don't seem to understand how words work. If you try to use a word to move a mountain, you find the mountain doesn't budge. If you keep hammering the mountain with that word, the mountain keeps not budging. The word then becomes a synonym for not moving mountains. The mountain doesn't change at all. The word's meaning does.
Bluetus
(2,930 posts)I'd say it is more like a garbage dump. If you wait until you are buried by 1000 tons of rotting garbage, you will not get out. But that is no excuse for getting our asses kicked every time by the wordsmithing of Frank Luntz and friends. Words matter now more than ever, but we have to be savvy enough to take control of the words while there is still time to form impressions.
gulliver
(14,029 posts)The word "fascist" in any combination or abbreviation has become so overused and misused that it is almost useless in adult discussion. I'd say it's now only useful among serious intellectuals. Some use it correctly in normal conversation. Unfortunately, it is used reflexively and ignorantly too often. It has been ruined by anger-holics, idiots, and paranoids. To normies it's now a word to be avoided or even ridiculed.
There's the old Emerson quote, "Who you are speaks so loudly, I cannot hear what you say." Whenever someone speaks the word "fascist," if they don't have minimum of charm, gravity, and credibility, the word will mean less than nothing. Worse, the word itself is weakened and made unusable by more adept speakers.
The word "fascist" can only be rehabilitated by credible people using it in a measured way.
Patton French
(1,824 posts)That really matters?