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New Breed Leader

(927 posts)
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:28 PM Oct 2025

Trump: "Social Security, Medicare are going to be gone"

https://www.newsweek.com/social-security-update-medicare-medicaid-warning-donald-trump-10915076


President Donald Trump warned Tuesday that if the Democrats don't approve funding, there are dangers to the future of Social Security and Medicare.

Trump said at a press conference that when he asked Democrats for feedback on the funding bills, one said, "It means death."

"There's nothing about death," Trump said. "Theirs is death because they're going to lose Medicaid, they're going to lose Social Security, they're going to lose Medicare, all of those things are going to be gone because the whole country would be bankrupt, and you're not going to have any kind of medical insurance."

Why It Matters
A point of contention leading to the government shutdown is the Democrats' refusal to accept a funding bill that would cut health care provisions, which many Republicans argue fund medical care for illegal aliens.


Social Security and Medicare represent vital support for tens of millions of Americans, especially retirees, seniors, and individuals with disabilities. As of late 2024, Social Security provided monthly benefits to about 53 million Americans—nearly 16 percent of the U.S. population. Medicare and Medicaid similarly underpin health insurance availability for seniors, low-income people, and many vulnerable groups.

Any potential reduction or administrative change to these programs has far-reaching implications for millions who rely on them for basic income or health care needs.



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Trump: "Social Security, Medicare are going to be gone" (Original Post) New Breed Leader Oct 2025 OP
You knew this Trump bluster was coming at some point. /nt bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #1
Dump let slip what he wants mvd Oct 2025 #2
He let slip what Russell Vought wants. Which is to fully privatize healthcare thru Medicare Advantage. ancianita Oct 2025 #21
Yup! yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #58
Death. Maru Kitteh Oct 2025 #24
At some point TSF heard that... returnee Oct 2025 #55
Wow, Newsweek. You put out that AI Slop? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #3
What a lousy article. choie Oct 2025 #8
Newsweak. littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #14
Why do you say that? Why do you say it is "obvious"? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #35
Because I've read enough AI generated content to know it when I see it? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #39
Thank you for your response. I'm not convinced at all it is AI. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #44
That "why it matters" thing, along with not reading more than the OP contents was why I thought that. AZJonnie Oct 2025 #47
"Why it matters" & similar section headings are earmarks of Axios, predating AI, adopted by other news orgs . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #48
Well then perhaps AI I've used is mimicking what Axios and others do because that's kinda how it works, yeah? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #50
Viddy well, MAGAtry of a certain age EYESORE 9001 Oct 2025 #4
If he does any of this, I predict.... lastlib Oct 2025 #5
He can't stop SS or MC, he would like to but he can't, it's not tied to the shutdown, he's just talking out his putin yaesu Oct 2025 #6
You're making the dangerous assumption that he abides by the law synni Oct 2025 #10
The correct way to state this is " he can't Whiskeytide Oct 2025 #11
The moment BigMin28 Oct 2025 #7
MAGA didn't sign up for this Trumpy weakness leftstreet Oct 2025 #9
Don't count on it. Aristus Oct 2025 #13
A lot of them are going to die too. MLWR Oct 2025 #46
A lot of them are fine with violence, as shown on Jan 6, 2021. They might be the ones to riot & give Trump 'cause' Attilatheblond Oct 2025 #51
Predictable response from trump, just like our leaders will respond to his BS. Silent Type Oct 2025 #12
Seeing as how Trump and MAGA are going to B.See Oct 2025 #15
A lot of MAGAts use those earned benefits Farmer-Rick Oct 2025 #16
He will kill millions to pay billionaires. live love laugh Oct 2025 #17
Republican genocide. Mme. Defarge Oct 2025 #25
He probably figures that will just open up a lot of properties he can raze and build on Attilatheblond Oct 2025 #53
Pedo Trump warned Tuesday???? Farmer-Rick Oct 2025 #18
You can't rely in pensions anymore Puppyjive Oct 2025 #19
Thank you Karma13612 Oct 2025 #43
Someone inform stinky that SS and Medicare are funded by their own taxes Ray Bruns Oct 2025 #20
Once again, he makes no sense at all LymphocyteLover Oct 2025 #22
"If you don't let me take away healthcare, I'll take away your retirement, too!" tinrobot Oct 2025 #23
Terrorizing the citizens of our country. Flat out. n/t halobeam Nov 2025 #66
So he thinks he can still hold the nation hostage... Trueblue Texan Oct 2025 #26
Mark my words...kill Social Security and Republicans would be strung up by their heels. pecosbob Oct 2025 #27
None of that makes an iota of sense. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #28
"which many Republicans argue fund medical care for illegal aliens." thucythucy Oct 2025 #29
Somewhere in the project 2025 manual KS Toronado Oct 2025 #30
Trump literally just said the nuclear option can and should be used SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #31
Why doesn't he just fucking die? Orrex Oct 2025 #32
Unanswered prayers. nt Ilsa Oct 2025 #61
Bankrupt, eh? But I thought we were rolling in VTderry Oct 2025 #33
He doesn't care about political suicide bob4460 Oct 2025 #34
If Trump wants to see a nuclear option up close C_U_L8R Oct 2025 #36
It's what he and Project 2025 always wanted to do all along. DON'T BACK DOWN, DEMOCRATS! Hekate Oct 2025 #37
Alt Headline "Trump starts Senior citizen panic bronxiteforever Oct 2025 #38
". . .the whole country would be bankrupt, and my dream will be fulfilled." sinkingfeeling Oct 2025 #40
MAGA country is going to lose the most ChicagoTeamster Oct 2025 #41
The mask is off, they are laying it out for all to see. Let's see how that works out. Paul Krugman pointed out that Martin68 Oct 2025 #42
He's overplaying his hand New Breed Leader Oct 2025 #45
Exactly. He's lousy poker player. Totally TACO. Martin68 Oct 2025 #62
No, tmp, YOU are gonna be gone. elleng Oct 2025 #49
They're really grasping for straws Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2025 #52
Do this, and (R)'s will never be elected again. n/t aggiesal Oct 2025 #54
Evil fat orange imbecile wolfie001 Oct 2025 #56
The economy will collapse. Buy a vowel Donald. You're way out of your office. n/t Evolve Dammit Oct 2025 #57
He is a sadist to the core. BigmanPigman Oct 2025 #59
Hopefully, some day soon, the Trump Crime Family are going to be gone! red dog 1 Oct 2025 #60
He's full of shit. They are funded separately. n/t valleyrogue Oct 2025 #63
No secret there misanthrope Oct 2025 #64
Let me get this straight. ReRe Nov 2025 #65
Simple solution bring to the floor a vote first to continue the credits or not and get the Republicans on record. cstanleytech Nov 2025 #67

ancianita

(43,303 posts)
21. He let slip what Russell Vought wants. Which is to fully privatize healthcare thru Medicare Advantage.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:31 PM
Oct 2025

It's in Project 2025, which overall wants to financially take over the government run side of Medicare & Social Security, and turn those trillions over to corporate entities.

Social Security's combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) and Disability Insurance (DI) trust funds had approximately $2.7 trillion in assets at the end of 2024.

So once again they're robbing American taxpayers.

returnee

(921 posts)
55. At some point TSF heard that...
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 05:04 PM
Oct 2025

…the root of the word “executive” is the same as the word “executioner.” He immediately thought that’s a job I want.

AZJonnie

(3,690 posts)
3. Wow, Newsweek. You put out that AI Slop?
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:37 PM
Oct 2025

Jesus. Can't believe Newsweek put out something so freaking obviously AI.



EDIT: I should've read the whole article before I popped off instead of forming my opinion based only on the OP section presented. The beginning is very AI-looking, but as a whole the article is probably not.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
35. Why do you say that? Why do you say it is "obvious"?
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:01 PM
Oct 2025

What is obvious to you is not evident at all to me -- I'm not getting you.

Explain specifics to me like I'm an intelligent 16 year old. Did they use an em-dash?

AZJonnie

(3,690 posts)
39. Because I've read enough AI generated content to know it when I see it?
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:17 PM
Oct 2025

And I know this is exactly how it 'talks'? It loves to throw in section headings like "Why It Matters", like I've seen AI create a section header using literally those exact 3 words, literally dozens of times, in response to my prompts.

I would give you 5-1 odds that nearly all (if not in fact all), of this was generated via a 4-6 sentence prompt given to AI instructing it to create an article about Trump comments.

So, maybe I misspoke when I said it's 'obvious'. I should have said it's obvious to me because I've used it a lot

Also when I say AI slop I don't mean it in the sense that it's inherently inaccurate, that is a separate matter.

ON EDIT, so I decided to fact-check myself using AI, and I probably should have read the whole thing instead of just the OP before I popped off:

About the article as a whole, from Claude AI

My expert judgment:
The article does exhibit several features common to AI-generated journalism (modular sections, rapid-fire facts, punchy quotes, some repetition). However, it is not a clear example of an article stitched together entirely from a short AI prompt. More likely, it uses newsroom content templates, SEO optimization, and perhaps some AI assistance for formulaic sections or headline drafting. I’d rate it as likely human-edited, possibly with some AI-aided segment or structural guidance, but not purely prompt-generated. Several editorial touches and original reporting details are evident.

So, your instinct is good—news content production increasingly mixes prompt, AI, and human workflow. But this one’s probably in the middle, rather than being “just a prompt with facts plugged in.”


Me:
If you just look at the first six paragraphs, the three before 'why it matters' and the three after, does your opinion change? I was only presented with that section when forming my opinion. How about that opening segment, taken alone?


Claude:
**Conclusion about the opening segment alone *
It absolutely reads as if it could have been authored from a short prompt or template, possibly with AI involved—especially if your friend saw only this portion. Without later details, deeper quotes, and broader context, an experienced eye would suspect AI prompt construction or at least heavy reliance on formulaic editorial tools. Your argument has a strong basis if limited to this segment. If you had the rest of the piece, it would become more ambiguous, but that **opening alone is much more “AI-ish”** in structure and tone.


Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
44. Thank you for your response. I'm not convinced at all it is AI.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 03:41 PM
Oct 2025

A summary is always going to look kinda "AI" because AIs are optimized to produce summaries.

AZJonnie

(3,690 posts)
47. That "why it matters" thing, along with not reading more than the OP contents was why I thought that.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:01 PM
Oct 2025

That opening section, like AI said, IS very AI. I really have seen "Why It Matters" over and over in AI responses.

But I shouldn't have shot my mouth off without reading the whole thing.

Thanks for your correction on this matter, good sir

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
48. "Why it matters" & similar section headings are earmarks of Axios, predating AI, adopted by other news orgs . . . nt
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:10 PM
Oct 2025

AZJonnie

(3,690 posts)
50. Well then perhaps AI I've used is mimicking what Axios and others do because that's kinda how it works, yeah?
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:16 PM
Oct 2025

I guess I wasn't familiar with the back story. Again, your point is well made

lastlib

(28,188 posts)
5. If he does any of this, I predict....
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:40 PM
Oct 2025

...his time on this earth may be very short. People will be dragging his fat stinking carcass OUT of OUR HOUSE.

yaesu

(9,293 posts)
6. He can't stop SS or MC, he would like to but he can't, it's not tied to the shutdown, he's just talking out his putin
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:41 PM
Oct 2025

lovin ass.

synni

(773 posts)
10. You're making the dangerous assumption that he abides by the law
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:54 PM
Oct 2025

He'll just write executive orders in crayon, and the Republicans won't do anything to stop him.

Whiskeytide

(4,654 posts)
11. The correct way to state this is " he can't
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:04 PM
Oct 2025

legally stop SS or MC”. I agree that he can’t do it legally. But he can illegally direct those office to stop sending the checks and paying reimbursements. And he can fire any government employees who defy that direction until he finds a compliant Magat. That’s his administration’s M/O. We are being governed by a tribe of trolls.

I don’t really think he’ll do this because of the pushback he’d receive. But we have to stop thinking rules and laws and norms will restrain his agenda.

BigMin28

(1,855 posts)
7. The moment
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:47 PM
Oct 2025

those earned benefits don't arrive, that is when there will be blood in the streets. The ripple effect would be catastrophic. No one would be left untouched.

leftstreet

(40,503 posts)
9. MAGA didn't sign up for this Trumpy weakness
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:52 PM
Oct 2025

This whining and crying coming from the GOP about how the DeMocRatS have them by the short hairs is going to backfire.

Aristus

(72,126 posts)
13. Don't count on it.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:10 PM
Oct 2025

The Trumpsters will never give up on Trump. To do so would meaning admitted they were wrong. And they are morally, ethically, and intellectually incapable of that.

Attilatheblond

(8,843 posts)
51. A lot of them are fine with violence, as shown on Jan 6, 2021. They might be the ones to riot & give Trump 'cause'
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:21 PM
Oct 2025

His puppet masters know if they keep pushing, eventually a certain portion of the population will respond with violence and that will be the magic door thru which the militarized forces for tyranny will come goose-stepping thru.

The idiots who never checked facts nor vetted their candidates are the fools most likely to kick off the final phase of democracy's downfall.

B.See

(8,387 posts)
15. Seeing as how Trump and MAGA are going to
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:18 PM
Oct 2025

take A WRECKING BALL to both Social Security and Medicare ANYWAY....

But of course the loathsome fk would try to pin that on Democrats as well.

Farmer-Rick

(12,635 posts)
16. A lot of MAGAts use those earned benefits
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:22 PM
Oct 2025

Including Congress and pedo Trump himself. I know, I know, pedo Trump says he doesn't claim them. But can you imagine pedo Trump walking away while money is left on the table? Yeah, he gets Social Security benefits, not sure if he even needs Medicare. He just lies about receiving Social Security as do many Republicon politicians and eligible billionaires.

Attilatheblond

(8,843 posts)
53. He probably figures that will just open up a lot of properties he can raze and build on
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:25 PM
Oct 2025

The reality that he has little time left on this earth is the one thing he works very hard to pretend won't happen. Gotta keep 'building' and a big die off of the pesky un-rich means more land to put his name on.

Puppyjive

(984 posts)
19. You can't rely in pensions anymore
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:26 PM
Oct 2025

So social security is an entitlement that the average American needs. He needs to quit throwing that around. It will be political suicide. The majority of Americans were not born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Low minimum wage also prevents people from investing in retirement accounts. Trump is a lunatic.

Karma13612

(4,980 posts)
43. Thank you
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 2025

As someone that made very little in income, every cent was subject to SS tax, and most of my employers put their donations to my retirement in the damn stock market.

After decades, I finally learned enuf to switch out of the roller coaster market into money market and CDs.

I will be destitute in no time if that mthrfckr touches my EARNED RETIREMENT BENEFIT. I darn well paid in and expect to continue to get my benefit IN FULL. And I pay $185/month for Medicare plus copays depending on the care received.

tinrobot

(12,053 posts)
23. "If you don't let me take away healthcare, I'll take away your retirement, too!"
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:35 PM
Oct 2025

Seriously, this man is nothing but a hostage-taker.

You don't negotiate.

Trueblue Texan

(4,428 posts)
26. So he thinks he can still hold the nation hostage...
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:51 PM
Oct 2025

Why don't we start talking about the REAL reason why the government is shut down and lets not shut up about it?

EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN!

maxsolomon

(38,660 posts)
28. None of that makes an iota of sense.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:55 PM
Oct 2025
when he asked Democrats for feedback on the funding bills, one said, "It means death."


Sure he did.

"There's nothing about death," Trump said. "Theirs is death because they're going to lose Medicaid, they're going to lose Social Security, they're going to lose Medicare, all of those things are going to be gone because the whole country would be bankrupt, and you're not going to have any kind of medical insurance."


Slippery slope word salad lies.

thucythucy

(9,096 posts)
29. "which many Republicans argue fund medical care for illegal aliens."
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:56 PM
Oct 2025

What BS.

Here's how it should read: "...which Republicans repeatedly and shamelessly lie about, falsely claiming the bill would fund health care for undocumented aliens, when it does no such thing."

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
30. Somewhere in the project 2025 manual
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:56 PM
Oct 2025

I'm betting it says to kill Social Security, Medicare, & Medicaid as we know them.
This was always a wet dream of the Koch brothers.

SSJVegeta

(2,827 posts)
31. Trump literally just said the nuclear option can and should be used
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:56 PM
Oct 2025

What does he need democrats for?

VTderry

(120 posts)
33. Bankrupt, eh? But I thought we were rolling in
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:00 PM
Oct 2025

billions from the tariffs??

Maybe someone needs to check the "shelf"???

bob4460

(390 posts)
34. He doesn't care about political suicide
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:00 PM
Oct 2025

He knows he is done in the political Arena so he's going to make everybody else go through as much pain as possible. And if Congress can't stop him nobody can.

C_U_L8R

(49,351 posts)
36. If Trump wants to see a nuclear option up close
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:01 PM
Oct 2025

Proceed with robbing the retirements of 62 million Americans. There could be atomic torches and pitchforks shoved up his ass.

bronxiteforever

(11,212 posts)
38. Alt Headline "Trump starts Senior citizen panic
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:07 PM
Oct 2025

as he threatens to cut off their Social Security and Medicare. Seniors begin to pull savings out of banks and the stock market to obtain cash to meet bills.Stock Market may tank.”
Our party needs to fire remarks that reference a GOP market crash just like Trump did to Biden and Harris and Obama.

Does anyone trust Thune and Johnson to defend SS or Medicare? They are intentionally starving children and families at Thanksgiving? SS and Medicare seem vulnerable and the Supremes under Robert’s will sit on their entitled asses until the whole system blows up.

ChicagoTeamster

(906 posts)
41. MAGA country is going to lose the most
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:45 PM
Oct 2025

Trump thinks that Medicaid and SNAP are all African Americans and "illegals". There are so many white MAGAs in the southern and western United States who rely on these programs and "illegals" don't get these benefits. His base is going to be screwed. No SS income and No SNAP and no Medicaid or Medicare means their hospitals, pharmacies, and WalMarts are going to close. Even people in those areas with jobs and insurance are going to be without medical care and grocery stores.

Martin68

(27,663 posts)
42. The mask is off, they are laying it out for all to see. Let's see how that works out. Paul Krugman pointed out that
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 02:59 PM
Oct 2025

the legislation enabling reduction of SNAP benefits and Medicare and Medicaid subsidies was a originally designed to kick in after the mid-terms to give the GOP a last chance to solidify their majority. But Trump is not sticking to the game plan because he can't help himself. He's drunk with power and sadistic fantasies.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,455 posts)
52. They're really grasping for straws
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 04:25 PM
Oct 2025

Moses Johnson the other day tried to blame New York mayoral candidate Mamdani for Congress being shut down.

red dog 1

(33,034 posts)
60. Hopefully, some day soon, the Trump Crime Family are going to be gone!
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 08:15 PM
Oct 2025

(If the evil bastard doesn't start WW3 by then)

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
65. Let me get this straight.
Sat Nov 1, 2025, 04:52 AM
Nov 2025

They want to destroy America as we know it, re wipe out the old folks, middle & lower middle class, the working poor and the actual poor & the homeless and all their children, you know, all of us "little people", What is their end vision? How do they think life's going to be without all of us? WTF do they want? Can anyone explain that to me?

cstanleytech

(28,458 posts)
67. Simple solution bring to the floor a vote first to continue the credits or not and get the Republicans on record.
Sat Nov 1, 2025, 09:33 AM
Nov 2025

Then do a vote for the other part.

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