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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***Breaking *** Democrats Lead MAGA Republicans 50 -42 In Generic Ballot
No link. MAGA is not popular.
everyonematters
(4,157 posts)The approval of the Democratic Party is 28% The approval of the Republican Party is 37%. That means that it is all about Trump and not about people believing in the Democrats. We need to convince voters that we are going to make a difference in their lives.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,847 posts)The older I get the more I realize it's hard to win elections in a two party system with the first to the post environment. You have to build coalitions that include your Mamdanis and Warners and your AOCs and Jared Goldens. Consequently I try my best to avoid these intraparty wars.
everyonematters
(4,157 posts)Is the Democratic Party in touch with the concerns of the American people?
in touch 30%
out of touch 63%
The Republican Party
in touch 37%
out of touch 61%
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,847 posts)TSF received 50% of the vote. I don't believe for a minute that 1 out of 2 Americans want to ban trans people from the public square, use the military for domestic law enforcement, and throw their political opponents into the hoosegow . I do believe when you have catch all parties you cast a large net and get voters who disagree with you on many issues.
everyonematters
(4,157 posts)GreenWave
(12,640 posts)People like Lying Jen Kiggans (Va -2) pretend they defend SS. Already campaigning for next yr.
Skittles
(171,698 posts)yup
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Democrats are not a cult. We are a big tent party with multiple varied constituencies that prioritize multiple varied policy goals. But one that thing SHOULD bind all of us claiming to be on the left is that there is absolutely no fucking way we should ever allow Republicans anywhere near control of our government. And yet WE, collectively on the left, allowed that to happen in 2000, 2016, and 2024 -- all to the serious detriment of our both our country and the hard-achieved progress that those before us fought for and won through the previous decades.
As I've said before, presumably everyone thinks they have the best ideas for what Democrats should be doing -- well, guess what? We could replace every single elected Democrat in the federal government with that one person with the best ideas and IT WOULD NOT FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE REPUBLCANS WOULD STILL CONTROL THE ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
KEEP REPUBLICANS OUT OF POWER and then let's work on passing the best agenda we are able to with those Democrats that are elected in their place. If there are certain Democrats keeping us from doing that -- e.g., Manchin, Sinema, now it looks like Fetterman -- then focus on eventually electing better Democrats in their place. Don't shit on all Democrats because of a few bad apples that everyone realizes are bad apples.
LuvLoogie
(8,814 posts)and they are committed to the racist ethnic cleansing currently going on.
Hell get a few never trumpers too.
A lot of Independents will chose Vance. At least half. His white support will increase as he puts a civilized face on the myriad GOP bigotries.
yellowcanine
(36,788 posts)He has the charisma of a turnip. Plus he is a hypocrite and bigot. And potentially a sex scandal is developing. The Trump scandal Teflon will not extend to Vance.
mr715
(3,564 posts)This is accurate. Except turnips don't talk. I want to submit that turnips are less off putting because they don't have random racist or xenophobic ejaculations.
As for the incipient sex scandal, it'd be more decent to consider the bedroom activities of the turnip.
Wiz Imp
(9,991 posts)Beyond that, you're crazy if you think Vance will get votes from Never Trumpers. Not a chance in HELL of that happening. A lot of Independents choosing Vance? Based on what? Independents who oppose Trump will also oppose Vance. Vance will NEVER win a national election. He's just way too unlikeable and does not have whatever weird hold on people that Trump does. He flat out is a terrible politician, and after 2028, his Political career will be over.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)A year from now, the economy will be in recession, with double digit inflation , increasing unemployment, and healthcare premiums that have doubled or tripled.
The analyses I have read estimate Dems need a 3-4 point margin to overcome expected gerrymandering, and the last two generic ballot polls give them twice the needed margin.
It will be a blue tsunami blood bath.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)and that's why they are so confident to throw gatsby parties in our face
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)Looks like you have forgotten the one absolute truth:
Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless
Unless, those troops are willing to follow Unlawful orders, and slaughter both unarmed civilians and local law enforcement who will attempt to stop them, nobody will be seizing ballots.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)Are you kidding? Look how the police are behaving in Chicago.
The military hasn't pushed back yet.
I mean, a bunch of dem politicians have expressed their concerns about the election in very strong terms
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)Or Portland?
You seem to believe the military, all 1.3 million of them, plus every law enforcement organization in the nation, will commit mass acts of treason based in the whims of one feeble old man.
Do you really believe there will be no resistance to an attempt to seize ballots?
That troops will kill multitudes of civilians?
That no one in law enforcement will respond to protect the ballots?
Reminder: Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility.
Just because you can imagine something, and type that thing on the internet, doesnt make that thing plausible, possible or probable.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)You wouldn't need to lock down the entire country
As I said, these concerns have been voiced by people with more direct political knowledge than myself
(and LOL@cops protecting the ballots)
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)I guess well see if the reality based community surrenders in advance, as you appear to have, or if they pushback, if ballot seizure is even attempted.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)Just assuming he 'can't' do things has already been falsified.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jb-pritzker-trump-military
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)Despite his lawless impunity, Trumps actions have been restrained numerous times.
Troops seizing ballots, without both legal and physical resistance, isnt plausible.
Troops obeying unlawful orders to slaughter civilians who resist the seizing of ballots is even less plausible.
Consider this:
Rather than waste time waiting for court appeals to play out, why doesnt Trump jail or assassinate judges who rule against him? Thats what Putin does. Instead, he waits patiently while his incompetent lawyers file appeals, and then he waits some more while the appeal works its way up the food chain, sometimes taking months to reach SCOTUS.
Something is keeping him from taking those extreme steps- if he wont kill or jail a single judge who rules against him, what makes you think he will order the massacre of hundreds, perhaps thousands of civilians?
So, again, plausible doesnt mean if you can picture it happening in your mind, that makes it likely.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)I think we need you to go tell him he's an idiot, and that preparing for something like that is delusional.
It's as crazy as saying Trump would try to violently overthrow the government. I mean he never did that, right?
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Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)Which is a smart and shrewd contingency plan.
Note that there are no troops on the streets of Chicago.
Your post presumed the military would just waltz in and seize ballots, with no response or resistance from anyone.
Trump has called for Pritzker to be arrested/imprisoned, and so far
crickets.
As I said:
Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless
Pritzker and the courts have proven that.
SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)And he wouldn't invoke it now, but right near the election
Fiendish Thingy
(23,219 posts)And you presume that a man who wont jail or kill an individual judge who opposes him, will order the killing of large numbers of civilians.
For whatever reason, despite his lawless impunity, he stops short of going full Putin.
Scrivener7
(59,513 posts)the same "reality based community" was saying trump would be prosecuted for January 6 and the stolen documents.
And those of us who expressed doubt that he would be prosecuted were the ones who were called "defeatist."
I don't think the "reality based community" you refer to is all that reality based.
Also, acknowledging there might be serious issues with the election is the opposite of "surrendering in advance." Ignoring the possibility comes a lot closer to "surrendering in advance."
ThoughtCriminal
(14,721 posts)Maybe we can get an AI on the ballots.
Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)Good news.
QueerDuck
(1,705 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,847 posts)Celerity
(54,404 posts)QueerDuck
(1,705 posts)⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
H2O Man
(79,046 posts)Among other definitions, "big mo" means a big momentum in behaviors on a large scale in society. Most often, it is associated with politics and other team sports. If we can harness this, both 2026 and 2028 have the potential to have the Democratic Party reinstitute sanity in government. That's a "trickle up" momentum.
Dave Bowman
(7,151 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,991 posts)Without a source, it appears to be completely made up.