Why is it no one is getting outrage about Wayne La Pierre suggested a mental health database

[diabeticman]

This was my wife question. She has heard people complain and argue about why IT ISN"T FAIR for gun owners to be placed on a database BUT having a mental illness database gets a shrug of the shoulders by certain people.

Don't they realize the idea of mental illness can range to your "standard definition" of general publics belief mental illness is BUT it can also extend to someone have a terrible time getting over perhaps grief after a love one passes on. In some areas that is now classified as mental illness.

[HereSince1628]

1. Apparently you missed Saturday, Sunday, and Monday

But thanks for the support!

[diabeticman]

5. She overheard some right wingers talking and it has been eating at her so she finally voiced her

feelings to me.

[salin]

10. I read the post as generalized past DU.

Per the 'water cooler' type work discussions. Perhaps it was a critique of DU (in which case I agree with you), but I read it as a media/societal commentary

[Recursion]

2. You mean in the media? There's been plenty of outrage here

I think the larger public is better at not feeding trolls than DU is.

[diabeticman]

4. My wife overhead some wingers talking about it and it has been upsetting her.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. Your wife sure has a lot of questions.

Has she thought of posting directly? She might enjoy it.

[diabeticman]

6. She says she's not interested in DU. I just happen to voice her questions or thoughts when

it gets me thinking.

[Initech]

7. I hate to make the comparison but that is extremely Hitler esque.

[diabeticman]

11. huh? Wayne La Pierre started it when he mentioned this little idea in his "presser"

[Initech]

17. Hitler kept a database of Jewish people in Germany and that aided him in carrying out the holocaust.

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[diabeticman]

21. NO MY WIFE AND I WONDERD WHY PEOPLE DIDN"T GET MORE PISSED OFF AT WAYNE"S

SUGGESTION!!!


WHY A FEW WINGERS IN OUR AREA WOULD START USING THAT TALKING POINT!

[Initech]

24. Whoa calm down here... I didn't mean that to offend.

I was just stating a fact - that's what I find so creepy about this thing. And I wonder why more people aren't making that connection.

[yardwork]

26. I think that you totally missed the poster's meaning.

You might want to consider self-deleting. The poster is not defending LaPierre or the NRA.

[Initech]

32. I took that part out.

[loyalsister]

8. It also extends to substance abuse

even alcohol

[diabeticman]

9. true, I wonder if La Pierre really thought about that sentence he spoke would he realize that

gun ownership would be so low that HE would be out of a job?

[pipoman]

12. If he is suggesting

anything beyond placing people who have been involuntarily committed into NICS along with people with restraining orders and felons, he is an idiot.

[sandyshoes17]

13. It is so messed up

My sister and her family are all right wingers. So they follow the talking points. I couldn't wait till this came up. Her kids are both on meds. One anti anxiety and the other ADHD. I told her would they have to be in the data base, would anyone who was prescribed something be in there? Her face went flush. It's all coming around. Legitimate rape, birth control, guns , now this, they have alot on their plate. It takes alot to be a republican these days. I think she may be rethinking her party. Let's hope. But it's alot for such a regimental party to take, they are coming apart over these issues. Real life will be their downfall it's inevitable.

[bongbong]

37. Yes, it's happening

> It takes alot to be a republican these days.

It was delicious irony to see the repigs spin from "talk only about wedge issues like abortion" to "don't you DARE mention abortion!" in about 3 days this past election season.

[PoliticAverse]

14. FYI, current laws concerning firearms and the mentally ill...

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

[Cleita]

15. If he's the first name on it then maybe it might be worthwhile. n/t

[customerserviceguy]

16. Because it's never going to happen

You will not see a newspaper put up a website with the addresses and locations on a map of the folks who don't have their heads screwed on straight. Newspapers seem to draw the line at that.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

18. "folks who don't have their heads screwed on straight"

You, sir, are part of the problem.

[customerserviceguy]

22. Pick your favorite euphemism

for those who would shoot up a bunch of kids.

[riderinthestorm]

28. 5 myths about mass shootings.... Myth#1. The shooter is insane

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-mass-shootings/2012/07/27/gJQAcpB8DX_story.html




With 12 dead and 58 injured, the July 20 massacre at the midnight premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises” in Aurora, Colo., is one of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history. Aurora is only 20 miles from Columbine High School, where seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 and injured 24 in 1999. We may think we know what makes the perpetrators of mass shootings — mostly boys and men — tick. Though psychology doesn’t always lend itself to hard statistics, there are some patterns that might surprise you.

1. The shooters are insane.

The 2002 Safe School Initiative report, by the Secret Service and the Department of Education, looked at 41 attackers across 37 incidents from 1974 to 2000. It concluded that only 17 percent “had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack.”

snip


Adult and teen shooters do not suddenly snap. Their anger and planning often develop over time. And the more they plan, the more an argument can be made, in the eyes of the law, that they are sane.

[etherealtruth]

40. What about HIPPA laws?

[jody]

19. Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston and Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City, cochairmen of Mayors

Against Illegal Guns, along with 750 other Mayors want Obama to create a central data base that will include mental-health data on people.

[KT2000]

20. his name would be first on the list

his dreaft deferment was for a nervous disorder.

[idwiyo]

23. I am guessing because majority of the people might think its not a bad idea.

I bet even here on DU there are a lot of people who think it would be just fine and no big deal.

[Honeycombe8]

25. I was disturbed by that. Not "mentally disturbed," though (just in case someone's going to

put me a in a database).

[riderinthestorm]

27. I heard it here on DU over and over. Yes. Here. Many DAYS before Mr. LaPierre brought it up

Plus its been embraced and theorized as a plausible "solution" to gun violence by no less than 750+ United States Mayors

(http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/demandaplan.html)



There are far, FAR too many people who believe that Adam Lanza "must" have had a mental illness to do what he did - even without a shred of evidence that he was mentally ill or was on meds. Doesn't matter in their mind - it "must" be so because otherwise they'd have to look at the real culprit - easy accessibility to firearms regardless of mental health.

The lumping in of gun violence perpetrators as "mentally ill" is disgusting but too many people don't see how abhorrent that is - so they simply accept the premise on its face and continue to smear and hurt good people.

[budkin]

29. Because it was so laughable.

Because it was so laughable.

[Skittles]

30. because it is the rantings of a rightwing hack

if there was such a database, Mr. La Pierre would be entry number one

[aikoaiko]

31. There are already mechanisms for placing those who should be prohibited from possessing...

...firearms due to danger to self or others due to mental illness. It involves due process and it is rarely used. The process was expanded and clarified when the NRA and Democrats worked together to improve the law.

Obviously most, the vast majority, of those with mental illness are not dangerous and don't deserve to be on a list of firearm prohibited persons.

Still there may be ways to improve the process of identifying those who are a danger to themselves or others and have that impact their access to firearms.

[slackmaster]

33. Tempest in a teapot. There already is a database for that purpose.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

[LWolf]

34. I am outraged

at the overall hateful, corrupt, self-destructive mindset of this nation, and have been for decades now. I no longer respond with outrage to the multitude of examples occurring every day. I've seen very little real commitment to positive change, so I simply expect them.

[Posteritatis]

35. Because people are generally clueless about mental illness

And also because it's a group that's less able to defend itself than a lot of other scapegoat populations.

When most people hear "database of mentally ill people" they just think "we need to keep an eye on them gosh-darned crazy people anyway," as though 25% of the population is some monolithic, deadly entity.

[Fire Walk With Me]

36. This, the definition of Ableism, is extremely revealing.

"Ableism; A term used to describe normal assumptions and practices that often lead to unequal treatment of people with apparent or assumed physical, intellectual, or behavioral differences. It could be said, ableism is about categorization and exclusion."

Given me by DU'er Neoma.

Who in history has not profited through demonizing The Other in order to hide their own evil? I am dual diagnosis and I will not allow this to stand, to go unremarked or unchallenged. Hundreds of people have died from guns or been injured since the Sandy Hook shooting, but evidently those are "part of the plan", to quote The Joker. No one seems to care about all of them. I think it's sick, it's a sign of a sick society if it is not upset by common, continuous gun violence.

[HiPointDem]

38. i am. but it's just more of the same, imo. imo, the original sin is the creation of the category

'mentally ill' as 'other' in the first place; in the second place, the 'mental health' establishment as a 'caring' establishment; and in the third place, the apparent love of seeing 'mass shooter' and 'mentally ill' as synonymous.

[OneMoreDemocrat]

39. Outrage overload I would guess...

Gotta pace yourself these days.