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gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 05:55 PM Nov 2025

Hey Merrick Garland's Defenders, You Were Wrong

I and many like me were criticized, were alerted on for calling out Merrick Garland dragging his feet well...

Wa. Post investigative reporters Carol Lennig and Aaron Davis just wrote a new book about how Garland not only dragged his feet, he obstructed the early investigation into Trump. When a prosecutor went on TV to explain what the J6 rioters could be charged with such as seditious conspiracy, Garland was so upset that he recommended that the prosecutor be sanctioned in two states.

From the book, Garland's claim of working from the bottom up was blown out of the water, when Garland was finally embarrassed into acting against Trump he used zero evidence from investigating the rioters, zero.

When Cassidy Hutchenson testified in public before the J6 committee, Garland admitted that he knew absolutely nothing about what Cassidy testified to.

Lisa Monaco was just as bad as Garland.

Leonnig just said on Deadline Whitehouse that she hopes that people come forward to let the American people know about the evidence that Jack Smith had against Trump, especially in the stolen documents prosecution. Jack Smith made a statement that other people who did less serious crimes were court martialed and what Trump did was deserving of a court martial.

Leonnig said that Garland and Monaco will never come forward to let the American people know the truth.

Garland wasn't just unqualified, too meticulous, he obstructed the investigations, including investigating the millions of dollars that Trump got from Egypt.

People are still criticizing me and others like me who had the nerve to point what we saw Garland failing to do.

Garland lovers have at me and others like me, but don't buy a copy of Leonnig's and Davis' new book. Injustice.

I want to repeat this, when a DOJ prosecutor went on TV and explained what crimes the J6 rioters could be charged with, Garland was furious and tried to get the prosecutor disbarred.

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Hey Merrick Garland's Defenders, You Were Wrong (Original Post) gab13by13 Nov 2025 OP
General Garland mr715 Nov 2025 #1
Biden edhopper Nov 2025 #8
What good is honor without justice? mr715 Nov 2025 #11
Garland appears to have been the wrong man for the job, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #12
I'm going to keep pushing. mr715 Nov 2025 #15
Careful, you will piss of Hunter, who was nothing but a divine asset during the term.... themaguffin Nov 2025 #89
Thank goodness for "ignore" More_Cowbell Nov 2025 #92
I didn't want Garland from the beginning.I didn't think he had the balls Tribetime Nov 2025 #66
Biden expressed regret about hiring Garland, according to the Washington post Blues Heron Nov 2025 #18
Did he not have the ability to fire him? mr715 Nov 2025 #20
Who do you think we are? Magats? paleotn Nov 2025 #64
It'll look bad is the Democrat's downfall, IMO. slightlv Nov 2025 #98
That's not the flex you think it is. BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #19
I don't think it is a flex mr715 Nov 2025 #29
I totally agree. The AG position was something that the country Crunchy Frog Nov 2025 #99
Think Garland and Biden knew prosecutions would be chitshow and might help trump. Way it turned out too. Silent Type Nov 2025 #2
How much more could it have helped? At least he could have sought justice. dem4decades Nov 2025 #7
Garland was a disaster, but the real disaster was in 2016 by those who refused to vote for Hilllary and allowed trump lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #49
To be fair, one of the people who enabled Trump Crunchy Frog Nov 2025 #100
I disagree. First, the republicans made it clear they would not allow President Obama lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #103
I meant retiring prior to the 2014 midterms. Sorry for not making myself clear. Crunchy Frog Nov 2025 #104
Cool theory! Blues Heron Nov 2025 #14
So you admit that BIden was probably very pleased that Garlandtorpedoed the whole thing? Bluetus Nov 2025 #30
I felt that Biden didn't want to fire people or replace cabinet positions, yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #36
Yup, Old style Democratic politics. republianmushroom Nov 2025 #43
This business with fascism is a street fight. Magoo48 Nov 2025 #88
The problem was in 2016, and those who refused to vote for Hillary. Because of that trump appoint three supreme court lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #50
It was not JUST 2016 Bluetus Nov 2025 #78
When the other guy is plotting to come roaring back next term Crunchy Frog Nov 2025 #101
I think there is some truth to that LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #67
Interesting point. It's hard to say how it would have played out. paleotn Nov 2025 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2025 #3
Follow the money. NewHendoLib Nov 2025 #4
Garland shut it down. gab13by13 Nov 2025 #6
Your insight was certainly on point. cachukis Nov 2025 #5
Yes, thank you for pointing that out, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #9
Agreed, it was so obvious and yet many believed the excuses... walkingman Nov 2025 #10
Garland was playing for the other team, clearly. Blues Heron Nov 2025 #13
Garland was a party to the crime, complicit. Joe should never have put him in charge in any capacity. Clouds Passing Nov 2025 #16
There were 2 Garland bullies on DU for months BigmanPigman Nov 2025 #17
The Garland Society is still active albeit in smaller numbers. BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #21
Big Tree and Fiendish Thingy need to acknowledge their posts enabled the creep Ponietz Nov 2025 #47
Yeah, I had a few discussions with those two, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #79
I could be mis-remembering, but moonscape Nov 2025 #94
I will probably get spanked for this thread, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #22
Here it is KS Toronado Nov 2025 #65
Garland was the biggest mistake of Biden career Akakoji Nov 2025 #96
One of them, for sure. Queso Delicioso Nov 2025 #102
Garland is besties with one of Trump's lawyers. IMHO, he deliberately threw the case. This could've been stopped. AStern Nov 2025 #23
Remember when I said that Garland waited 11 months to search Mar-a-Lago? gab13by13 Nov 2025 #24
That was a powerful statement - people have gotten court martialed for less. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #38
People who defended Garland were right about one thing. gab13by13 Nov 2025 #25
Was he influenced by SCROTUS? moondust Nov 2025 #26
I don't recall they did, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #31
They did reference the immunity decision from SCROTUS, in the interview. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #39
True! John Coktosten Nov 2025 #27
JFC... let it go. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #28
You are absolutely wrong, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #32
Thank you. elleng Nov 2025 #33
You must be kidding! Cirsium Nov 2025 #34
If you want to open up "old wounds", it was 2016, and those who refused to vote for Hillary who determined what we have lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #46
What? Cirsium Nov 2025 #51
Well said. lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #53
This is DU Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #37
You are absolutely [strike] wrong [/strike], reACTIONary Nov 2025 #42
It is called obcessive/compulsive disorder. Ignoring of course what happened in 2016 when Garland wasn't even on the lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #45
Who cares about history iemanja Nov 2025 #63
Then we owe you an apology malaise Nov 2025 #35
That was a powerful segment. Nicolle conducted a great interview. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #40
Oh, damn, Merric the Meek's cheerleaders, republianmushroom Nov 2025 #41
Here is a review of the book.... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #44
Thank you. Time for a more reflective read. erronis Nov 2025 #48
Also here's a link to an excerpt from the book given in today's MSNBC article FakeNoose Nov 2025 #73
Absolutely. Those three supreme court judges that trump appointed, along with judges such as canon, had nothing to do lostincalifornia Nov 2025 #52
And what did you win for being correct? Kaleva Nov 2025 #54
1 broken country mr715 Nov 2025 #57
Most likely the same which was lost by those not correct? Torchlight Nov 2025 #105
You just need to give him more time. Any day now, any day. Orrex Nov 2025 #55
Everyone knows mr715 Nov 2025 #56
Well said. Mr.WeRP Nov 2025 #58
Joe Biden's BIG mistake: appointing Garland and never replacing him. Sogo Nov 2025 #59
He will forever be a stain on our party and our country. Mr. Sparkle Nov 2025 #60
(I was wrong...) lostnfound Nov 2025 #74
Completely False. Garland is a lifelong Democrat. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #85
OMG..Thanks for correcting me! I was so sure of it, i didn't even check. lostnfound Nov 2025 #87
I'll defend Garland as a nominee for SCOTUS. CaptainTruth Nov 2025 #61
OK, fair enough. I didn't know this. That sucks. LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #62
K&R spanone Nov 2025 #69
Though not a lawyer I was reminded of previous commentary. RoeVWade Nov 2025 #70
Nothing specific was talked about, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #75
All Republicans are scum angrychair Nov 2025 #71
It does make me wonder quakerboy Nov 2025 #72
Leonig is the most credible reporter that I ever listened to thank you for reporting this story. msfiddlestix Nov 2025 #76
Carol Lennig was just on Rachel, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #77
Yeah, yeah, yeah!! MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #80
Doesn't look like I hurt too many feelings. gab13by13 Nov 2025 #81
Maybe so, but, still, for whatever reason, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #82
If this just came out, Garland may still respond to it. I'll wait for that at least. RoeVWade Nov 2025 #84
Exactly! MineralMan Nov 2025 #90
Many wanted to give Garland time to do a proper job. He took the time and did not do a proper job. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2025 #83
The book is due for release tomorrow MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #86
We needed a RFK Sr. bmichaelh Nov 2025 #91
Is there anything that explains Garland's action/inaction from his point of view? ihaveaquestion Nov 2025 #93
Why does it feel like Bill Barr played a role in RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2025 #95
Justice That Stumbled gfarber Nov 2025 #97

mr715

(3,230 posts)
1. General Garland
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 05:58 PM
Nov 2025

served at the pleasure of the President.

So if you are counting chickens, let's be very honest about who bears ultimate responsibility.

edhopper

(37,169 posts)
8. Biden
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:11 PM
Nov 2025

being a man of honor and knowing the President should never interfere with the DOJ, kept his hands off.
Garland was accepted as a good pick. He turned out to be the wrong man in the wrong place.

mr715

(3,230 posts)
11. What good is honor without justice?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:15 PM
Nov 2025

The "wrong man in the wrong place" could be applied upwards as well, given that Biden's temporary victory against Trump may have inflamed Trump's worst impulses.

Garland was accepted as a good pick. He was well-respected, but he probably got the gig out of patronage following the Supreme Court fiasco.

His boss was charged with protecting American democracy from Trump. In that capacity they failed. And it is they.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
12. Garland appears to have been the wrong man for the job,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:15 PM
Nov 2025

hopefully it was only because he feared Trump or because he was incompetent. I hope to heck he wasn't complicit.

mr715

(3,230 posts)
15. I'm going to keep pushing.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:17 PM
Nov 2025

He was appointed, confirmed, and retained. He had a boss. The boss bears responsibility. The boss is not absolved.

More_Cowbell

(2,241 posts)
92. Thank goodness for "ignore"
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 02:42 PM
Nov 2025

Reading someone who's going to "keep pushing" the same statement over and over (and OVER) is not helpful.

Tribetime

(7,096 posts)
66. I didn't want Garland from the beginning.I didn't think he had the balls
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 08:37 PM
Nov 2025

How would I like to see Kirschner, somebody who could attack him wasn't scared to do it.JMHO

mr715

(3,230 posts)
20. Did he not have the ability to fire him?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:23 PM
Nov 2025

And the optical "it'll look bad" isn't a defense. You can't defend democracy with a paper shield.

paleotn

(21,823 posts)
64. Who do you think we are? Magats?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 08:32 PM
Nov 2025

Hands off DoJ has been the mantra of every administration short of Tricky Dick and Trump. I agree Biden should have pushed him out, but for an administration that plays by the rules, that's not as easy as you make it out to be. Otherwise, WE'RE putting our great big dirty thumb on the scales of justice.

Unfortunately, we're now in a position where that HAS to be done, if we ever get out of this mess. If a Dem manages to take the White House in 2028, we've got to burn these bastards to the ground. Perceptions be damned.

slightlv

(7,583 posts)
98. It'll look bad is the Democrat's downfall, IMO.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 05:59 PM
Nov 2025

The party is so afraid of actually looking like they have an aggressive bone in their body, they spend all their energy trying to deny it. In times of Peace, this is a good thing. But when we're in war for our very existence, it doesn't help anything. No one is impressed that we "took the high ground." It looks weak... like we're afraid to take on the repuglicans. No matter how much we, the unwashed masses, pleaded with our representatives, they failed us. And now, here we are... exactly where we said a decade ago we'd be.

BannonsLiver

(20,315 posts)
19. That's not the flex you think it is.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:22 PM
Nov 2025

I DO hold him responsible for Garland and at least one other bad decision. Zero problem with that. Next? 🤷‍♂️

mr715

(3,230 posts)
29. I don't think it is a flex
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:47 PM
Nov 2025

Maybe. For me, it was a highly significant failure. On the pie chart of things that had to happen post Trump 1, the January 6 stuff was a big chunk. So it is quality of the mistake, not quantity. This was a bad one. Yeah the Attorney General is responsible for prosecuting cases, but the President should be responsible for preserving democracy.

Crunchy Frog

(28,219 posts)
99. I totally agree. The AG position was something that the country
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 07:34 PM
Nov 2025

couldn't afford to have fucked around with. It was arguably the most critically important appointment that the president made in that term, and he totally fucked it up, and our country will be paying the price for that for decades if not longer.

People at the top failed to take the threat to our country seriously, even after watching the events of J6 unfold. Acting like we were still acting under politics as usual was a fatal mistake.

It means that all we got out of the 2020 election was a 4 year reprieve in the slide to fascism.

I get livid when I think about it.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
2. Think Garland and Biden knew prosecutions would be chitshow and might help trump. Way it turned out too.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 05:59 PM
Nov 2025

While trump deserved everything, including a firing squad, didn’t work for us.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
49. Garland was a disaster, but the real disaster was in 2016 by those who refused to vote for Hilllary and allowed trump
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:37 PM
Nov 2025

to appoint THREE supreme court judges, along with judges like Canon.

They demonstrated they were NEVER going to allow trump to be convicted of anything.

and in spite of people knowing the Supreme Court was at stake in 2016, Hillary lost every critical swing state by less than 1% in that election, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those swing states. It didn't take much.

Crunchy Frog

(28,219 posts)
100. To be fair, one of the people who enabled Trump
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:14 PM
Nov 2025

to appoint a a Supreme Court justice was RBG. By refusing to retire at a time when she would have been guaranteed to have her replacement chosen by Obama. In spite of her advanced age and having at least two types of cancer.

But yes, our side has a tendency to not think about things like SCOTUS appointments during elections and we all end up screwed because of it. The other side has had a single minded focus on SCOTUS for a long time.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
103. I disagree. First, the republicans made it clear they would not allow President Obama
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:08 AM
Nov 2025

to appoint a Supreme Court nominee. McConnell successfully blocked President Obama's Supreme Court nominee for over a year by refusing to hold hearings or a vote, and it is naive to believe that that they would not have done the same thing if RBG stepped down doesn't cut it, especially given that the republicans had the majority in the Senate from the 2014 midterm election.

I am sorry but that is a false narrative that was used by some who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election in 2016.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

The result of that disaster was that trump ended up appointing three supreme court justices, plus federal judges such as Canon.

I suspect many who refused to vote for Hilllary in the general election in 2016 did not realize the damage that would done by that lost.


Crunchy Frog

(28,219 posts)
104. I meant retiring prior to the 2014 midterms. Sorry for not making myself clear.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:35 PM
Nov 2025

In fact, I was surprised and dismayed when she didn't retire before the 2012 election as Obama getting reelected was by no means guaranteed.

The fact is that it is very rare for the same party to hold on to the presidency for more than two consecutive terms, so it was fairly predictable that a republican would win in 2016. And the republicans retaking the Senate in 2014 wasn't too difficult to foresee either, or their despicable actions upon retaking that body.

There is nothing that RBG would have been able to do for the American people with a few more years on the SCOTUS that wouldn't be massively undone with her successor being chosen by any republican at all, let alone Trump.

Yes, the electorate is bad for not enough of them voting for Hillary and stopping Trump, but it wasn't so unpredictable either, and no excuse for RBG to fail at putting her country first by retiring in a timely fashion.

Bluetus

(2,484 posts)
30. So you admit that BIden was probably very pleased that Garlandtorpedoed the whole thing?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:49 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I have not seen hard evidence of this, other than the simple fact that Biden had many opportunities to take some action. He could have ordered Garland to recuse himself, for example.

Biden is from the tradition that says, "No matter what anybody does in office, when you get in, you turn the page. You may have only about 9 months to get your agenda enacted and you shouldn't waste any time on the crimes of your predecessor."

It is the same thing with Obama versus Cheney's war crimes.

There is an argument for that. But the argument against it is that Trump's level of criminality, treason and brazen corruption is completely unprecedented, and will be repeated over and over if not punished.

And that's where we are now. The most brazen criminals are now in charge and may never give up control in our lifetimes.

yellow dahlia

(5,202 posts)
36. I felt that Biden didn't want to fire people or replace cabinet positions,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:00 PM
Nov 2025

because he didn't want to look like the deranged grifting maniac before him.

republianmushroom

(22,136 posts)
43. Yup, Old style Democratic politics.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:20 PM
Nov 2025

Why there needs to be a change in the Democratic parties leadership and thinking.

Magoo48

(6,710 posts)
88. This business with fascism is a street fight.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 02:15 PM
Nov 2025

If one enters into a street fight determined to fight fair, they will generally be defeated.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
50. The problem was in 2016, and those who refused to vote for Hillary. Because of that trump appoint three supreme court
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:40 PM
Nov 2025

judges, along with judges such as canon, who were NEVER going to allow trump to be indicted for anything.

That is the real tragedy.


Bluetus

(2,484 posts)
78. It was not JUST 2016
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:56 PM
Nov 2025

Obama made no effort to make his rightful appointment to Scalia's vacancy. He could, for example, have sued the Senate, forcing the SCOTUS to make a decision. That very well might have been successful because the court was 4-4 at the time, I believe.

And it was the selfishness and ego of RBG, refusing to give up her seat at a time when she could have been replaced by somewho would carry on her legacy.

The road to hell is paved with lots of good intentions.

Crunchy Frog

(28,219 posts)
101. When the other guy is plotting to come roaring back next term
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:19 PM
Nov 2025

to destroy our democratic system and make himself dictator, it probably makes sense to set aside those qualms.

paleotn

(21,823 posts)
68. Interesting point. It's hard to say how it would have played out.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 08:41 PM
Nov 2025

Certainly would have galvanized Repukes and widened the division. Then again, there are times in life where you simply have to make a hard choice, repercussions be damned, because the risks from not making that choice are just too great. Risks such as a 2nd Trump term and perhaps the end of American democracy.

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

cachukis

(3,748 posts)
5. Your insight was certainly on point.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:05 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I had suggested he had to overcome a department in disarray with many trump supporters unwilling to investigate. Leonnig and Davis alluded to the disarray and the fear of retribution.
Nonetheless, Garland failed to understand the big picture and will be forever maligned as not up to the job.
You deserve acknowledgement.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
9. Yes, thank you for pointing that out,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:12 PM
Nov 2025

Trump had his people in the FBI and DOJ who didn't want to investigate Trump.

walkingman

(10,486 posts)
10. Agreed, it was so obvious and yet many believed the excuses...
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:15 PM
Nov 2025

Biden did not show good judgment or leadership, and now the US and the rest of the world is paying the consequences. The lack of accountability seems to be a characteristic of government. Is it any wonder that our government is held in such low esteem?

BigmanPigman

(54,787 posts)
17. There were 2 Garland bullies on DU for months
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:20 PM
Nov 2025

They apparently were a tag team and in cahoots. The 2 DUers would bully everyone did not agree with them. Many DUers reported them over a 6 month period and they were permanently suspended by DU, thank Dog!!! They were so obnoxious

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
79. Yeah, I had a few discussions with those two,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 10:01 PM
Nov 2025

but their argument was that Garland was OK because President Biden nominated him. I do not blame Joe for nominating him, I thought Garland would be OK. Once Garland showed his reluctance it would have been political suicide to fire him.

There were a few signs about Garland;

1. Rabid Senator Mike Lee asked Krasnov to replace Comey with Garland.

2. 20 Magat Senators voted to confirm Garland.

moonscape

(5,653 posts)
94. I could be mis-remembering, but
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 02:58 PM
Nov 2025

I thought Biden nominated him because there was little chance someone he’d truly prefer could get confirmed.

Akakoji

(494 posts)
96. Garland was the biggest mistake of Biden career
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 03:13 PM
Nov 2025

Okay maybe Clarence Thomas, but how many of you were here for that shiteshow?

Queso Delicioso

(185 posts)
102. One of them, for sure.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:22 PM
Nov 2025

But I think failure to pack the court gives it a run for its money. The traitor SCOTUS has fucked us harder than anything else.

AStern

(746 posts)
23. Garland is besties with one of Trump's lawyers. IMHO, he deliberately threw the case. This could've been stopped.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:31 PM
Nov 2025

And anyone that asserts 'oh well - what's done is done' is just gross.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
24. Remember when I said that Garland waited 11 months to search Mar-a-Lago?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:32 PM
Nov 2025

Garland dicked around negotiating with Trump to please return the stolen documents.

Then we hear what Smith said, that other people have been court martialed for doing much less.

I can still picture the boxes of top secret documents stacked in Trump's shitter.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
25. People who defended Garland were right about one thing.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:35 PM
Nov 2025

DOJ/Garland doesn't leak, that was absolutely true. DOJ didn't leak because it didn't have anything to leak.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
31. I don't recall they did,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:49 PM
Nov 2025

but I was yelling at the TV.

There is another possibility, when I was younger I led our small town in stopping powerful people from fracking for gas and stripping for coal on our watershed. I got death threats and I will say that I spent many sleepless nights. We didn't stop them but we put so many restrictions on them that our watershed was protected.

Garland could have gotten death threats, or worse.

yellow dahlia

(5,202 posts)
39. They did reference the immunity decision from SCROTUS, in the interview.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:04 PM
Nov 2025

It affected what Jack Smith could do, and held him up for a bit.

QueerDuck

(1,224 posts)
28. JFC... let it go.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:45 PM
Nov 2025

I haven't seen this much grudge-holding since 2016. Without a time machine, this told-you-so-ing really serves no useful purpose, does it? It changes nothing and only perpetuates distrust and resentment... picking at scabs and opening old wounds that (for many) have nearly been forgotten or healed. Sigh.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
32. You are absolutely wrong,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:56 PM
Nov 2025

Leonnig talked about hoping that prosecutors who were involved in the investigations will step forward and let the American people know the truth. Many people who were involved in investigating Trump have been fired and are having a hard time finding a job. Leonnig said they are forming their own law firm, and there may be a way for them to tell the story.

The truth should not be buried.

Do you also believe that the Epstein files should be buried? Many years have gone by without justice for the victims. Should the victims just let it go?

Cirsium

(3,664 posts)
34. You must be kidding!
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 06:59 PM
Nov 2025

The OP is a response to the relentless "picking at scabs and opening old wounds" by the Garland defenders. Now that the critics have been proven correct, after they were bashed here for months, now you want to move on.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
46. If you want to open up "old wounds", it was 2016, and those who refused to vote for Hillary who determined what we have
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:31 PM
Nov 2025

today, because it was under the trump presidency in 2016 where he appointed those judges such as Canon, three on the supreme court, etc. that insured that trump would NEVER BE CONVICTED.

Cirsium

(3,664 posts)
51. What?
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:42 PM
Nov 2025

We are going back to argue about that? Is there anyone here who who refused to vote for Madam Secretary Clinton - (not "Hillary" ffs). I doubt it.

Why don't we just really waste some time and energy and argue about Nader?

Keepthesoulalive

(2,183 posts)
37. This is DU
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:02 PM
Nov 2025

This is what they do. Every president has made mistakes and some have cost lives. Korea, Vietnam and interfering in South America. Ready aim fire at toes.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
45. It is called obcessive/compulsive disorder. Ignoring of course what happened in 2016 when Garland wasn't even on the
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:27 PM
Nov 2025

scene, and with the help of the Hillary haters who refused to vote for her, we lost the Supreme Court, and the final blow which insured the Supreme Court would be lost for decades on 2024 by those who refused to vote for Harris.

In the end, even with the unnecessary delays Garland imposed, when it finally DID get to the SC, they insured that they WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW trump TO BE CONVICTED OF ANYTHING.

This whole sad fiasco was written in 2016 with the trump appointed judges such as Canon and three supreme court judges to insure more delays, and protect trump from ANY conviction. It was never going to happen.

That is NOT an excuse for Garland's awful performance as Attorney General, but the damage from those that refused to vote for Hillary, cast the die for what we are going through now.

It sure as hell also doesn't answer why trump won in 2024, in spite of the sociopath inciting the insurrection against our government on January 6, 2020, and during the campaign telling you exactly what he was going to do. That is what Project 2025 was all about.




FakeNoose

(40,705 posts)
73. Also here's a link to an excerpt from the book given in today's MSNBC article
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:07 PM
Nov 2025
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/trump-arrest-classified-documents-probe-maralago-rcna241155

I don't know, maybe it's one chapter, or part of a chapter. But it gives a lot of facts and details into the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago in 2022. This was posted by DUer SOP in today's Editorial Forum.

lostincalifornia

(5,095 posts)
52. Absolutely. Those three supreme court judges that trump appointed, along with judges such as canon, had nothing to do
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:43 PM
Nov 2025

with trump not being convicted.

Orrex

(66,804 posts)
55. You just need to give him more time. Any day now, any day.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 07:59 PM
Nov 2025

Who cares if the republic crumbles for the lunatic whims of the festering orange prolapse? The real tragedy would be if anyone spoke ill of dear Attorney General Garland.

lostnfound

(17,438 posts)
74. (I was wrong...)
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:13 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:02 AM - Edit history (2)

I have mistakenly believed that “ He is not in our party; he was a republican.” but fortunately a DU-er corrected me.

Thanks WizImp. I’m a bit embarrassed but man, this is why I love DU.

Wiz Imp

(9,273 posts)
85. Completely False. Garland is a lifelong Democrat.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 11:42 PM
Nov 2025

Just because you don't like some of the things he did or didn't do don't change the fact that has always been a Democrat. He clerked for Justice Brennan, and worked for the Presidential campaigns for Mondale & Dukakis.

lostnfound

(17,438 posts)
87. OMG..Thanks for correcting me! I was so sure of it, i didn't even check.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 07:59 AM
Nov 2025

Somehow I had that piece of misinformation firmly implanted in the old grey matter for a very long time.
Genuine thanks for bothering to reply.

I definitely don’t want to spread misinformation

RoeVWade

(872 posts)
70. Though not a lawyer I was reminded of previous commentary.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 08:50 PM
Nov 2025
When a prosecutor went on TV to explain what the J6 rioters could be charged with such as seditious conspiracy, Garland was so upset that he recommended that the prosecutor be sanctioned in two states.


Prosecutors should generally not talk about specific details of cases they are going to prosecute on TV prior to doing so, as it is widely considered a violation of ethical rules in the legal profession. The primary concern is that such extrajudicial statements could prejudice a potential jury and jeopardize the defendant's right to a fair trial


I might add I never heard Jack Smith say a word about the case(s) he was going to prosecute other than announcing the indictment officially.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
75. Nothing specific was talked about,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:41 PM
Nov 2025

No names were mentioned, the prosecutor only said the "possible charges" that could be made.

angrychair

(11,897 posts)
71. All Republicans are scum
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 08:53 PM
Nov 2025

All Republicans are scum. No exceptions to that rule.
There is, very literally, not a single Republican I would so much as piss on if they were on fire and I had a full bladder.

quakerboy

(14,780 posts)
72. It does make me wonder
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:03 PM
Nov 2025

I wonder who Garland cares about or is beholden to. Im not sure id place a bet on it, but I definitely would NOT vote against it being someone on the Epstein lists.

msfiddlestix

(8,169 posts)
76. Leonig is the most credible reporter that I ever listened to thank you for reporting this story.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:43 PM
Nov 2025

I'm quite eager to read this book

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
77. Carol Lennig was just on Rachel,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 09:46 PM
Nov 2025

Remember the fake electors, when I said that Garland was doing nothing, even after Dana Nessel sent a criminal referral from Michigan, remember? Garland sent Lisa Monaco on TV to say that she was looking at the criminal referral, and that's all she did was look at it.

Lennig also said that the National Archives was showing Garland the fake elector documents and Garland ignored them.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,869 posts)
80. Yeah, yeah, yeah!!
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 10:08 PM
Nov 2025

So you felt the need to rub it into those that defended Merrick Garland?
Pretty lame dude, pretty fucking lame.

gab13by13

(31,620 posts)
81. Doesn't look like I hurt too many feelings.
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 10:26 PM
Nov 2025


I took a pretty good beating and never pulled the alert button, have never pulled the alert button. I choose to air my differences keyboard to keyboard. I certainly haven't been right all the time, but I try to admit when I am wrong.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,869 posts)
82. Maybe so, but, still, for whatever reason,
Mon Nov 3, 2025, 10:30 PM
Nov 2025

you felt the need to chastise those, including me?
Like I said dude, pretty fucking lame.

At the time, those of us that felt the need to defend M. Garrick were doing the right thing.
Your OP is not needed, we now realize that we were wrong but we don't need the BS.

bmichaelh

(1,111 posts)
91. We needed a RFK Sr.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 02:39 PM
Nov 2025

We needed a RFK Sr type of Attorney General.

He went relentlessly after Organized Crime when his FBI Director publicly tried to downplay existence of Mafia.
Although, Hoover had meetings with Mafia boss, Frank Costello.

Sidenote: My admiration of Sr is not transferrable to Jr; For whatever reason, Jr. is trying to destroy his family's legacy.

ihaveaquestion

(4,518 posts)
93. Is there anything that explains Garland's action/inaction from his point of view?
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 02:45 PM
Nov 2025

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know what he was thinking he was doing.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,136 posts)
95. Why does it feel like Bill Barr played a role in
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 03:01 PM
Nov 2025

all this?

Garland is now right up with Barr is the History books, with his world class cockblockery of justice for the American voters and the officers who worked on Jan 6 in Dc and any other person busted for stealing classified documents from the US government and Democracy itself.

*More people than in any other presidential election voted that Loser Trump out and they voted Biden and the DOJ to go after him and put him in jail for his crimes !!!!

Hope Garland's headstone talks about what a traitor to American Justice he really is.

Is any one surprised he is member of the Federalist society and that group has nothing but people trying to rape, pillage and slowly destroy America!!!

gfarber

(230 posts)
97. Justice That Stumbled
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 04:24 PM
Nov 2025


We warned that the law was asleep,
While Garland his calm tried to keep.
He dragged both his heels,
Ignored what appeals,
And buried the truth far too deep.

Reporters have written, "Take heed!
He stalled when the nation had need."
Obstruction was plain,
From foot-dragging strain—
A justice delayed, yes indeed.

A prosecutor spoke on TV,
Explaining the law’s gravity.
But Garland took fright,
Declared it not right—
“Sanction that lawyer!” said he.

His method, “from bottom to top,”
Was cover for making things stop.
When push came to shove,
He rose not above—
The probe hit a bureaucrat’s drop.

When Cassidy told what she knew,
Old Merrick was caught with no clue.
He’d heard not a word,
Till her story was heard—
A shock that was long overdue.

Lisa Monaco, steady and prim,
Was cut from that same cautious trim.
Each “wait” and “review”
Let chaos accrue—
Their vigor was frighteningly slim.

Leonnig said, “Please, let them talk!
Jack Smith knows the proof they still block.
For crimes of such scope,
There’s no room for hope,
While Garland stays chained to his clock.”

From Egypt came millions, it’s said,
Yet Garland turned down the thread.
Too careful, too late,
Too bound by the gate—
Justice lay silent, half-dead.

We spoke, and they called us untrue,
For saying what Garland would do.
But now with this book,
Just give it a look—
The warnings? They all have come through.

The lovers of Garland still yell,
But facts have a story to tell.
“Injustice” they wrote—
A stinging footnote—
On justice that stumbled and fell.
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