My Spidey senses are acting up

[Aviation Pro]

The blow out wipe out we saw yesterday tells me that there was a lot of fucking around with the vote in 2024.

A lot.

[Bluestocking]

1. No I think Americans got a wake up call

About how bad Trump and the Republicans are

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Correct. The facts of 2025 trump the propaganda of 2024. . . . . nt

[NoRethugFriends]

5. Disagree.

So why did they decide not to fuck around with the vote this time?

[yellow dahlia]

19. My theory is they don't fuck with the special elections and off-year elections, because

it is more difficult to sway the smaller elections. Too much visibility. More scrutiny is possible.

Plus - I always believe it is harder to fuck with a mandate.

[KS Toronado]

40. Or did Musk tell dumpie he wasn't going to help him anymore?

They did have some kind of "falling out".

[yellow dahlia]

42. Another possibility.

But I believe we need to keep our antennae up for 2026 and 2028.

"They" will try and hold on to power at all costs.

[PatSeg]

50. Oh absolutely

We can't complacently sit back on our laurels because of one successful election cycle, as republicans will pull out every resource they can to defeat us next time. As such, I am not celebrating until congress is in Democratic control with big majorities.

I never underestimate republicans' ability to cheat. For these people, all that matter is winning and winning by any means necessary.

[yellow dahlia]

63. We don't get to "rest easy" for awhile.

There is much to do to establish the framework of free and fair elections.

[PatSeg]

75. Yes and once we are back in power,

Democratic lawmakers need to really go to work on all kinds of legislation to prevent such abuses of power, starting with new and more effective voters' rights.

[yellow dahlia]

77. Yes!

[Chemical Bill]

64. For sure!

I don't think they've stopped thinking of the "birth certificate to vote" thing. They could kick millions of women off of the voter roles just before an election....

[PatSeg]

76. Yes, the whole voter suppression

and voter intimation by republicans has gotten insane.

[Alice B.]

95. This is is why I feel like we have to start today, preparing people to vote

… under the worst case scenarios.

[BannonsLiver]

58. Why didn't they fix the Lake/Gallego race in AZ?

That was pretty high profile in a prez election year. The reality is these are good yarns but don’t really add up to much.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Because they had facts this time they didn't have last time.

We had sufficient facts last time with our superior reasoning abilities (if you believe that hubris i have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale).

They did not have sufficient facts last time because they were hoodwinked by propaganda and prejudice (they don't like non-whites and women so much).

The facts available now are kind of overwhelming.

[Hekate]

3. Agreed. It was a real confluence of bad stuff

A certain number of voters were persuaded to vote for Trump, and I think they’ve had time to reconsider their folly. But even more is his usual “every accusation is a confession” — he TOLD us his intentions were to make votes come out in his favor, no matter what.

[obamanut2012]

4. I agree, just like there was in 2020

The vote fro Biden was just too big to overcome.

[Chemical Bill]

65. And we know they tried.

Voter suppression, media lies, etc, etc, etc....

[Richluu]

6. Here's some data

thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the?fbclid=IwY2xjawK-Q-RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl8PQYh9WG-6uuPXYQO5BzrEiJv9VweTkJc6a-VHicPxurAtcP4Q059t4Gjo_aem_HoFB_uGcaEjb3ciZ62ggmA

[LymphocyteLover]

148. not really data, but a complicated theory... and if Musk had this magic control

why didn't he use it this time?

[Initech]

7. Honestly I'd point fingers at Texas and Florida for starters.

We know Ken Paxton deliberately sabotaged the vote in Texas in 2020. He faced ZERO punishment for it because he had help from his real employers, Fox News.

The psychos that are interfering with our election, along with the 800 pound malignant tumor in DC known as the Heritage Foundation, have some serious 'splaining to do.

[NJCher]

8. you'd have to be a damn fool to think

trump had one honest transaction in his life--the election.

The thought he ever did anything without cheating is absurd.

Your spidey sense is on target.

[tinrobot]

14. "They lost because I wasn't on the ballot"

Translates to:

"They lost because I didn't cheat for them"

[Blue_Roses]

21. Yep

n/t

[returnee]

88. That is my assumption...

If it’s TSF it’s corrupt.

[ms.pamela]

9. Vote tampering

Damn right there was, my husband and I we just discussing that last night and Musk admitted to it several times. The polls were not wrong in 2024; the electronic voting tabulation was undermined by tech crooks. The evidence is there and when the democrats take back power, they better put it out there and not screw around like Garland did.

[KS Toronado]

56. I'd like to see voting machines made illegal

every State mails ballots out and you mail them back or physically take them to the election office.
Computer hackers are smart and are getting smarter every day, take them out of the equation.

[returnee]

89. I agree. but...

…the Dems risk not taking back power without addressing the vote count manipulation elephant in the room.

[ananda]

10. That was always obvious.

Musk buying votes, using Starlink
to game results....

not a secret.

[Chemical Bill]

11. Absolutely

Repigs couldn't cheat enough this time. I expect they will redouble their efforts for next year. We'll see some close shaves that allow them to retain too many Senate and House seats. Real results should be 2/3rds majorities in both.

[tritsofme]

12. But they just forgot to steal a single race this time?

[rzemanfl]

15. It would be hard to cover up in elections of this nature IMHO. n/t

[tritsofme]

17. Polls showed a close election in New Jersey, Virginia AG race too. Why not steal one?

Or both?

Just goes to show how 2024 election denialism is pure nonsense.

[rzemanfl]

25. Out of 50 states, how many had elections yesterday?

I can think of New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Mississippi, and the ballot measure in California.

[Wiz Imp]

32. 33 states had elections yesterday.

States with major/significant races included:

New Jersey
Virginia
California
Colorado
Georgia
Maine
Michigan
Minnesota
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Texas

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/nation-world/election-day-2025-races/507-da48f03f-ec9d-4523-8f1b-61bb76a3802d

https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar

[yellow dahlia]

33. Many. There were a lot of local elections.

I heard today that there were a total of over 400 different races, and Repugs won in only 11 of those elections.

I just found this. Apparently 29 states had elections. According to ballotpedia there were approx 800 different elections.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/11/05/a-look-at-yesterdays-election-results/

[Chemical Bill]

30. Why are you asking Democrats?

Why not ask Musk?

[tritsofme]

36. I'm just asking folks choosing to push ridiculous Trump-style conspiracy theories.

[Chemical Bill]

66. Yeah,

the polls were way off this time, right?

[hurple]

20. There were no national elections.

So they just didn't care enough. Or, they couldn't do it on that level. They likely needed the high vote numbers (millions) to cover up the subterfuge.

[tritsofme]

22. So they can steal the presidency but not a Virginia AG race? Pretty lousy supervillains.

[Wiz Imp]

27. I know, right? It's clear that it's not just MAGAs who are capable of convincing themselves

that ridiculous conspiracy theories are true.

[rzemanfl]

29. What's in it for the supervillains to have the AG of Virginia in their camp?

Just asking.

[tritsofme]

35. The focus on Republicans being massively unpopular losers isn't exactly good for business.

Especially if Elon can be commanded to flip a switch and bring their guys to victory.

[Wiz Imp]

49. A Republican AG n Virginia could effectively block a lot of progressive legislation which

will be enacted by the large Democratic majority in the House of delegates along with the state Senate majority with a Democratic Governor and Lieutenant Governor.

[rzemanfl]

71. I think you are giving this Republican AG magical powers.

That's just my opinion.

[yellow dahlia]

34. Yes. That is my theory.

[ecstatic]

82. eLoon got what he wanted, no need to help this time

Especially after being threatened with deportation.

Right now, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when p25 is going to release the epstein files and push tRump out the way for good.

[tintinvotes]

85. Not close enough

The cheating only works when it's a close election. They tried rigging Obama's elections as well, but the margins were too big. Remember Carl Rove being dumbfounded about Obama winning OH, he said it was impossible even though a lot of polls had him winning.

[tritsofme]

86. Sounds like many have adopted Trump's axiom as their own, that elections are only legitimate when I win.

[lostnfound]

122. Not worth the risk of detection; plus maintain illusion of democracy. Possible. Nt

[tritsofme]

125. It's being discussed here, in a public forum. Why would detection be a concern in your conspiracy theory?

You folks claim that there is undeniable proof posted publicly laying out beyond a shadow of a doubt that the election was stolen that any reasonable person would be convinced by.

Which means you are accusing Kamala Harris and Democratic leaders of just being too dumb and incompetent to consume publicly available information that contains incontrovertible proof of a stolen election.

Or is it that they are fully aware the election was stolen and just choose to say nothing about it for whatever reason?

These election denial conspiracy theories are beyond nonsensical, and actually represent vicious attacks on the Democratic Party.

[lostnfound]

135. You misunderstood me and misrepresent my POV in last paragraph "as a vicious attack"

Klobuchar, Reed, Warner and Peters had concerns that election equipment does not have adequate security.
https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security

I don’t know who you think I am, part of some nebulous group of “you folks”. I’m just a g-d- person who has been here for 20 years and who has donated thousands to Democratic campaigns and knocked on doors as well. So don’t lump me together with those who do “vicious attacks on Democratic Party.”

Unlike a lot of people, I appreciate and support a broad range of Democrats from AOC to Spanberger to Booker to Newsom to Schiff to Porter not to mention the frankly-divine Obamas and the always-decent Biden and every single one of the signers of the Klobuchar letter. Diversity is strength.

As far as Kamala Harris, i attended her rally here; she fought hard in her campaign; and she was utterly shocked at the loss. I have no problems with her choices or her character; I sure as hell think she is NOT dumb and NOT incompetent. So don’t put words in my mouth about her.

[yellow dahlia]

141. Don't you hate it when people put words in your mouth?

I feel that it is very unDU-like.

I hate to see folks misconstrue or distort the thoughtful analysis of others. IMHO, also not very DU-like.

[in2herbs]

13. The judge's ruling in the Rockland County 2024 election fraud case is due before 11/11.

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[wiggs]

16. Mine too, for a different reason. The more it looks like the US is turning on the WH and GOP, the more

twitchy, angry, and desperate TSF's disordered brain gets. His limitations and disorders are a major problem (not discussed at all in MSM, BTW) for us and -- facing humiliation and defeat -- for him personally. There's no guessing what he'll do except that we know it will be outrageous and without careful consideration.

But also we shouldn't forget that recent elections matter globally, and those autocrats and oligarchs and multi multi billionaires who have invested in and joined with TSF will push buttons, pull levers, whisper in TSF's ear...they won't give up on 50 years of planning and spending.

[Blue_Roses]

18. Yes

Glad someone finally said it. Was thinking the same thing
.

[MaeScott]

23. Yep. It was stolen by the muskrat...

Who received our personal data in return.

[Wiz Imp]

24. Then why didn't those same people "fuck around with the vote" this year?

[Chemical Bill]

31. How do you know they didn't?

Have you seen hand counted recounts of yesterday's elections? Where is your proof?

[Wiz Imp]

44. OMG. I can't believe I'm reading such nonsense here.

Sure, Republicans fucked with the elections on November 4, 2025, but they were so incompetent that they were unable to win a single "competitive" type election in the entire United States. But those same evil geniuses stole the Presidential election in 2024 without bothering to rig dozens of House and Senate seats which could have given them super majorities in both chambers and left Democrats completely powerless to stop anything. Wow!

[tritsofme]

55. It's just difficult for me to accept that folks can be that plain stupid.

At least on our side.

It’s got to be some sort of joke and we’re just not in on it…right?

[BannonsLiver]

59. I think it comes from people who can't wrap their heads around how much the country had soured on incumbents last year.

We all see Biden in a much more positive light than those who aren’t invested in the day to day tribal stuff. The foundation of these theories are based on a complete lack of understanding of that unfortunate reality. Inflation was up. Biden’s last year was chaotic. Trump was able to take advantage of culture war issues. The end.

[stopdiggin]

102. there is also a basic inability (unwillingness) for people to admit

just how sh*tty their neighbors are willing to be when approaching the polling station.

"The American people would never ..."
YES! Yes they would! And they keep proving it to you!
But it's still hard for people to wrap their heads around. No, sorry - but a lot of people out there are just enormous dicks!

[Chemical Bill]

62. Proof of a declaration is immaterial?

Thank you, I will remember that.

[stopdiggin]

97. Yes. Virtually any declaration issuing forth from THIS individual

should be accorded approximately the same weight (perhaps a little less?) as those of a patent medicine salesman.

They lie, and pontificate on such blatant falsehood - on such a routine basis - that I am surprised the subject must even be broached.

"proof of declaration"
Oh, lord ....... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[yellow dahlia]

41. It is more difficult to pull off in the off-year and smaller elections, and special elections.

Too much visibility on each locality. It is easier to have more scrutiny.

Plus - I always say it is more difficult to fuck with things when there is a clear mandate.

Others on this thread have offered similar logical explanations.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. No. Absolutely not.

Perhaps once every couple of years or so, someone manages to vote illegally. Meanwhile, more than 99% of ballots are voted legally, by people who are registered to vote. The simple system of telling your name, and date of birth and then signing the book is more than sufficient.

I'm finding it outrageous that people here on DU keep on trying to make the election illegitimate.

[Blue Full Moon]

48. Voting machines were compromised.

Trump and Musk both admitted it. James Baker used the example of casino slot machines of insider tampering. So happens the casino he referenced was Trump's. Mike Lindell admitted to buying a program for the EVMs. One of his guys got caught in Mesa County. One of the Mesa County election officials was sentenced to jail. She gave the guy her access card. They said it was to prove 2020 big lie. Lindell bought that program to install. Testified in court to that. There's no way it was only the one case. That is the one that got caught. The slot machines use the same platform as the voting machines. China gave Ivanka electronic voting machines. That includes the schematics and programs. Thank you Musk with your help with the counting computers (tabulators). Then there is this gem from Musk "Anything can be hacked."

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

54. I'm sorry, but I'm going with "our elections are honest."

Plus, Elon Musk simply isn't the smartest genius ever, but people, especially here, seem to think he is.

And if they are so good tampering with machines and stealing votes, I guess all the Republicans won their elections, right? So I guess my local paper got it all wrong that Democrats won big.

[Chemical Bill]

67. Have you read The Conyers Report?

It's subtitle is What Went Wrong In Ohio. It examines the 2004 election. You might want to read it.

[yellow dahlia]

28. I'm with you. A lot!

Velshi was on the big board last night, and he showed the comparisons of margins to Harris and to Biden. When I saw those numbers and trends, I felt - another example of why the accepted "result" for 2024 doesn't make sense.

My spidey senses acted up in real time in both 2024 and 2016. There has been a lot of affirming data for 2024.

I wish there had been paper ballot recounts for both 2024 and 2016. Jumping in front of the naysayers - in 2016 there was one re-add of machine counts...no hand recount of paper ballots.



I wish there were a spidey sense classic smilie.

[Wiz Imp]

46. So elections are only rigged when Democrats lose?

Be careful. You're sounding an awful lot like the other side.

[Joinfortmill]

106. I don't think Dems cheat. And, Trump ALWAYS cheats

[yellow dahlia]

142. Right. You could begin every sentence with Trump always cheats.

[Blue Full Moon]

37. Agree

[markodochartaigh]

38. I'm persuaded by Greg Palast's work:

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/



Edit: With one caveat. The real problem is our electorate. A candidate like Trump should never have been able to get more than 5% of the vote.

[fujiyamasan]

39. Or it could be that voters in these states got a wake up call over the last few months

And they liked the candidates democrats nominated.

Trump wasn’t on the ballot, so his cult didn’t show up to the polls.

[Blue Owl]

43. I was thinking the same goddamned thing

Muskrat and Dump STOLE 2024 from Kamala. Since then they have done nothing to dissuade anyone that they are THIEVES who are willing to steal from the poorest of us so what the fuck would stop these sociopathic psychos???

[NoNameGranny]

45. Is this being reported by the media?

Should be the #1 topic in the news cycle! Is this an indication about how the mid-terms will go?

Dominion Voting Systems sold to company run by former Republican election official - ABC News https://share.google/XXWhxVXd2e0ykPM6N

[SunImp]

47. People where just angry at Trump/ICE/Gop's bs

The No Kings protests & the like helped keep momentum/anger up against the fascists too. Maga just didn't like their candidates this time

[tritsofme]

51. It's worth pointing out again that 2024 election denialism is actually a vicious attack on Kamala Harris and the entire

leadership of the Democratic Party.

If you believe these nonsense conspiracy theories, you must believe one of two things about Kamala Harris and the entire Democratic Party apparatus

That Harris and Democratic leaders are fully aware the election was stolen from us, and have for whatever reason, decided to say nothing, making them complicit in a “cover-up”

Or you are accusing Harris and Democrats of being just too stupid and ignorant to figure it out themselves, despite (what you consider to be) convincing evidence in the public domain clearly documenting this “election theft”

To attack the character of Harris and Democrats in this manner, just to prop up a nonsense conspiracy theory in order to preserve some alternate reality, really is quite sick.

[ffr]

52. Off year elections would serve as pacification for anyone thinking the general elections contain malware

Because how could the same voting machine remove 10% of the registered voters during one election, but not the other? That is, unless the malware has date criteria. In which case, it allows for normal election results in less important elections, but when it comes to presidential elections, those are important. Removing 10% of the democratic voters should be just enough to get in some anti-American candidate, like Krasnov, let him stack the courts with more anti-American Russian assets, and win enough races to give such a stooge complete control of the government.

[RandySF]

53. No

[Botany]

57. Harris won. End of story.

Musk, and his doge boys were deleting and or flipping millions of Harris votes via firmware
patches put onto the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&S. and Dominion
Voting Systems and at the end of the day it looked like Harris just didn’t get the voter turn out
but she did and Peter Thiel’s Palantir was running a clean up program called “Digital Janitor”
that didn’t flip or delete votes but hide that is what happened. Musk turned on 265 low earth
orbit satellites on Oct. 30, 24 that used Starlink’s D.T.C. (direct to cell) to be in communications with
the firmware patches that were put in place on our voting systems.

Also Greg Palast has done good work on right wing republicans called True the Vote using
old Jim Crow rules managed to get @ least 4 million voters removed from voter rolls
in surgically sighted areas.

Another 2 million or so were stop from voting by the Post Office and various B.O.E.s
using excuses like the signatures don’t match or in Florida 500,000 + voters had their
votes put into question when their voter I.D. was challenged after they had registered.

The fix was in and Trump knew it. Remember his comments in July and October of 2024
that he didn’t need anymore votes.

[LymphocyteLover]

61. There definitely were massive voter suppression efforts, massive propaganda operations

I don't buy the massive electronic vote flipping story considering how many hundreds of county election offices they would have had to target.

[Botany]

70. The vote flipping and deletions was done not at the precinct levels of which you are right would be unwork-...

…. able but @ the county or state levels @ the Central Tabulators or Operating Systems at targeted
places where the data was being compiled. A standard bell shaped distribution of data should show
that the results would have an even distribution of results but in almost case of a glitch, a statistical
anomaly, a hanging chad, a voting block not showing up such as the 70% of Americans who support
a woman’s right to choose were not there in ‘24, voters being denied access to vote or having their vote
counted it has almost always favored the Republicans. And that has been going on for decades.

[LymphocyteLover]

74. you don't think anyone in the secretary of Dem state offices of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania

looked at whether tabulator total matched the numbers that came from the counties?

[Botany]

91. Good questions,

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What I do know the architecture was in place that would allow for manipulation of the voting data
and that this hack onto America’s democracy was very very very sophisticated and that efforts
were made to hide “it” too.

In Pennsylvania in Erie, Pittsburgh, and in Philadelphia all of which are very blue a late afternoon
surge of Trump votes came in on Election Day.

[LymphocyteLover]

132. couldn't that surge just be actual voters (since more Repubs tend to vote on election day)?

[Botany]

134. A large surge of red voters from a large strongly blue voting population @ the last minute? Please.

Once again I might be able to buy that but for some reason every time these anomalies, glitches, vote surges, undervotes, and voter deletions didn’t go to help the Republican Presidential Candidate time after
time. Simple statistics would likely show some kind of causality behind those votes and occurrences.

From 2020 to 2024 the only states that showed any increase in Trump vote and under vote for Harris were
the swing states, 88 counties went from blue to red, and with zero going from red to blue nationwide, and
Musk’s own words on Joe Rogan, “I have a special appreciation that lets me see the returns early. IOWs
he was into the data.

[yellow dahlia]

143. All the obvious anecdotes match up to all the simple math.

[Botany]

150. A simple bell shaped curve for statical analysis will easily show causality behind the election results.

If results are random then you should have data on both sides of the middle in
almost equal frequencies but Trump as Republican candidates for POTUS since
1968 show results that blow up that curve. Every voter disenfranchisement, every
election result that doesn’t make sense, every hanging chad, almost every story from
the mainstream media supporting the republican or casting doubt on ?ing on the
results helps the republicans, every removed ballot drop box, every result that doesn’t
make sense …. such as where were the 70% of Americans who support women’s health
care aka abortion in 2024 ….. and on and on.

[yellow dahlia]

152. There you go! Seems simple when you look at the mathematical models.

Math = logic.

Logic = math.

[LymphocyteLover]

147. please provide a specific example of that kind of red surge in a blue area

I'd like to see convincing data on that.

Also, I assume you meant Musk had an "application" not an "appreciation"

[questionseverything]

120. You think someone from the sos office at the state level looks at every precinct result to see if it matches?

No they don’t

[LymphocyteLover]

131. No, but wouldn't someone at the county level do that? Or are they in on the plot?

[stopdiggin]

98. I sorry. But it NEVER happened.

There is not a shred of evidence for it (to this day !) . And insistence that it happened nonetheless - is where we veer off into conspiracy land.

And it really bothers that people on my side continue to ride this train. Makes us sound like a bunch of knuckle draggers ....
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - -

[Chemical Bill]

69. I hear you...

this on top of the old fashioned methods of too few voting machines in Democratic areas, or even too few polling places. There are much shorter lines in Republican areas. Everything in The Conyers Report is still in play. And now we have targeted bomb scares.

[yellow dahlia]

79. Musk had the technology.

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"Musk turned on 265 low earth orbit satellites on Oct. 30, 24 that used Starlink’s D.T.C. (direct to cell) to be in communications with
the firmware patches that were put in place on our voting systems."

Nothing coincidental here.

The data from Election Truth Alliance matches up with the capabilities of the machines. And the end result matched the evil vilaain master plan of the grifter and his "backers".

Harris did not lose.

[stopdiggin]

103. this is repeated by a lot of people that have no idea what the 'technology' is

"matches up with the capabilities" ... - - - - - - (but without a shred of evidence)

These people are selling you a 'story'! You are not required to buy it. (unless that is what you wish to do)

[Chemical Bill]

112. .

Republican IT Guru Dies In Plane Crash - CBS News https://share.google/by1tzWpZbJT9IEPat

[stopdiggin]

119. are you offering this as some species of 'evidence'?

(and this, in a nutshell, is why we have half the country .... ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[Chemical Bill]

123. Perhaps you stopped reading...

before the Franklin County, Ohio precinct with 638 voters that had 4258 votes for W. You might be interested in what Stephen Spoonamore had to say., but that's a long way down as well. There's a link to more problems with the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, this was well covered in The Conyers Report.

[stopdiggin]

124. Yawn. It really isn't worth my good time. (while repeating, "this is evidence ..?" ) - -(nt)-

[Chemical Bill]

140. Interesting.

Thanks for sharing.

And thanks for kicking the thread and keeping it visible.

[iemanja]

60. Any election Democrats lose is rigged.

Just like any election Republicans lose is rigged.

[fujiyamasan]

83. Pretty tiring isn't it?

[stopdiggin]

100. it's just plain sad. !!! - -(nt)-

[Chemical Bill]

116. .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20777770

[Cirsium]

68. I dunno

Are we allowed to think that yet? (Asking for a friend.)

[MorbidButterflyTat]

72. Agree.

I gotta laugh at the idea of giving the corrupt convicted felon and his amoral crony cult the benefit of the doubt.

[WestMichRad]

73. They will intensify efforts to disenfranchise...

… demographic groups that favor Dems, to try and swing the vote in ‘26 to their favor. And if that is still insufficient to retain power, they’ll be ready to cheat more brazenly.

[electric_blue68]

78. In '26, and '28 we need the brightest, wileyest White Hat Hackers keeping all eyes on the votes & totals, tabulaters etc

Like (the fictional) Harold Finch, and Ms Groves!

[yellow dahlia]

111. Yes.

And Kara Swisher says we need White Har Hackers to try and figure out what DOGE did at the Social Security Admin and other agencies.

[AncientOfDays]

80. my theory

My Theory is that they can only cheat a little without it becoming obvious. This time simply overran the cheating.

[yellow dahlia]

113. Exactly.

It often boils down to the math and the logic.

[BadGimp]

81. DITTO!!

eom

[SupportSanity]

87. They've proved it already but have trouble selling it

Electiontruthalliance.org
Data experts and statisticians got together and have analysed election data.
Go to their website and they will show you exactly how the cheating occurred.

[Torchlight]

90. My gut's about the same

I certainly wouldn't bet a paycheck on my tea-leaves, all other things being equal however, that feeling will probably remain for quite some time.

[themaguffin]

92. Based on what?

[BlueTsunami2018]

93. The economy is being wrecked, people feel it.

They thought it was bad last year when it was doing ok and so they voted for Piss.

They really feel it now and so they went the other way.

It really is that simple.

[Clouds Passing]

94. Why didn't fElon help this time?

[Martin68]

96. I don't think so. It just took a year or two of Trump in full swing to get out the vote, and persuade even many

Republicans that Trump is a con, a fool, a greedy schmuck who will destroy this country if given the chance.

[stopdiggin]

99. I'm sorry - but it NEVER happened. And your twitchy 'senses' are leading you astray.

There is not a shred of evidence for it (to this day !) . And insistence that it happened nonetheless - is where we veer off into conspiracy land.

And it really bothers that people on my side continue to ride this train. Makes us sound like a bunch of knuckle draggers ....
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[OLDMDDEM]

101. I thought so too. I felt that way after Pennsylvania and Michigan went to Trump. It doesn't make sense.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

104. Like in 2024

6 million voters didn't stay home.

[Joinfortmill]

105. Yup.

[krawhitham]

107. Same thing happened 8 years ago

Trump wins, the public immediately have remorse for their vote and GOP got crushed in 1st Off Off election since his win

7 Takeaways From Election Day 2017
Democrats won up and down the ballot Tuesday night, notably in the governors' races in Virginia and New Jersey. The victories were a much needed sigh of relief for a party that hadn't had any high-profile victories at the ballot box during the first year of the Trump presidency — despite his record-low approval ratings.

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/08/562759205/7-takeaways-from-election-day-2017

[Chemical Bill]

130. And then they forget how bad he is? n/t

[angryxyouth]

108. Eforensic analysis says something aint right

Malicious anomalies found in all the swing states and Texas with the vote tallies. The results are not consistent with human behavior. Learn about why we need full hand count audits to prove what the experts say are red flags recognized by all democracies around the world. See explanations of the reports, charts and graphs at the “Election Truth Alliance” on their YouTube channel, web page or substack.

[tritsofme]

117. So since this is all so clearly documented and proven, you must be accusing Kamala of knowing

the election was stolen from us, and that she has for whatever reason chosen to do or say nothing about it? She must even be complicit in a coverup by this thinking.

Or are you accusing Kamala, and all Democratic leaders for that matter, of just being too dumb and incompetent to consume publicly available information that contains incontrovertible proof of a stolen election?

This sort of attack on Democrats is the only way to prop up these nonsense conspiracy theories.

[angryxyouth]

136. Yes I am

Because Trump used Stalin’s tactic of “accuse your enemies of what you are doing” and making the idea or vocalization of accusations of election fraud so repugnant that when fraud actually did happen Kamala and the rest of the party democrats were pussies and did not want to look like Trump did in 2020 so stayed quiet.

[tritsofme]

137. At least you're honest, this contempt and hatred for Harris and Democrats appears widespread among election deniers

Why bother being a Democrat if you think the party feebly and knowingly allows elections to be stolen?

This is a ridiculous slander against Harris and all Democrats, these conspiracy theories really do rot out minds.

[angryxyouth]

153. Sometimes the truth hurts

Why don’t you actually take the time and check out the link that I put up. The election through alliance just filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania trying to get hand count audits. The evidence they list on their latest posts is mind blowing.

[yellow dahlia]

144. Yes. "They" use Russian-type psy-ops to convince people not to question elections,

for fear of looking like the "other guy". And unfortunately it works.

I call it reverse "I know you are but what am I?"

[yellow dahlia]

121. Don't worry. Most of us realize that this is in NO way an attack on Dems.

Don't you hate it when people misconstrue your premise?

[tritsofme]

133. It is absolutely a vicious attack on Democrats. You must believe truly terrible things about Kamala Harris and Democrats

for these ridiculous election denial conspiracy theories to “work”

These attacks on Harris and Democrats are utterly disgusting, and the conspiracy mongers should be ashamed of themselves.

[fujiyamasan]

145. The problem is the premise is flawed

There is no convincing evidence that Musk and Thiel “hacked” the election. The two are ass holes, but stealing several swing states (some of them with democratic governors and secretaries of state) is a very difficult task and would have required them having access to systems they wouldn’t have.

It’s also a red herring. The GOP has other (much simpler) ways of subverting democracy, like through mid decade gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement (number of ballot boxes, mail in ballot access, etc)

Getting hung up on nonsense like “omg they stole an election because of the machines!” is a distraction and takes away from the real fight.

[Chemical Bill]

146. Interestingly...

Exit polls used to correspond with the final vote count almost perfectly. By 2004, vote counts in some 16 or 17 states were outside of the margin of error for the exit polls. Some excellent work on DU at the time showed where voting machines from one particular company was way off, while other machines showed excellent correlation. In 2004, all but one of the discrepancies favored W over Kerry, and all but one of those flipped the state (see Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by Freeman). So the PTB altered the exit polls after the fact to better match the "vote count".

Now, the only way to prove or disprove election fraud is to hand count the paper ballots. This was not done in 2000, 2004, 2016, or 2024. It was done in 2020, when Joe Biden was elected. Actually, it was done in Florida in 2000 by a media consortium including the NY Times, but the result was not published for months after W was sworn in. The recount showed that every statewide recount scenario gave the state, and hence the presidency, to Gore. Those results are available on Wikipedia.

So hand counted paper ballot recounts showed that Gore should have been president from 2001 to 2005. They showed that Biden won in 2020. But there is no proof that W ever won, and also TSF. As you may remember, Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent hand counted recounts in 2000 and 2016, and were successful.

I agree that Republicans use purges, gerrymandering, and various disenfranchisement methods (even targeted bomb threats). When these are not enough, vote counts show evidence of fraud. See Election Truth Alliance. For some reason, the only method to prove if elections are clean or not is opposed by Republicans if they win. This is no red herring.

[jmowreader]

109. That's one way to look at it, and I believe it to be true

Given that, to put Trump in office required A LOT of fucking around at all levels of the election apparatus, from precinct to state board of elections. Most of the people who did the fucking around are still there and could have fucked around with this election if they so desired. However, the vote has to be close enough to make fucking around look plausible...no one would ever believe Trump legitimately took Massachusetts, California or Hawaii, but they could believe he legitimately took Michigan or North Carolina.

A larger problem with this election, for the fucking-arounders, is that a year of Trump has caused A LOT of pain to the electorate. You've got much higher prices, goon squads in the streets, and that orange bastard has started tearing down the White House.

The reason for the blowout is simple: The margins between the D and R candidates were high enough no one would believe the results if elections were flipped.

[yellow dahlia]

114. Right. The analysis is easy.

[Silent Type]

110. Wonder why trump and Elon didn't hack Tuesday's election?

[jmowreader]

115. Not worth it

The highest offices that most of these elections decided were governors. Trump needs Congress-critters to get his evil enacted.

[Silent Type]

118. Didn't happen in 2024 either. We lost. Was hoping Conspiracy Theories would stop, but nope.

[yellow dahlia]

138. Exactly. Analysis needs to be applied to the circumstances at the moment.

[Metaphorical]

127. I absolutely think that 2024 was stolen

Trump was a known quantity, and his reputation among Hispanics in particular was never great. Yet somehow in the four years from the 2020 election to the 2024 election, you saw a massive swing toward Trump, only for the numbers to nearly reverse with the 2025 election. Demographics can change, but very very seldom do they do so that dramatically.

I would look very closely at both Musk and Thiel, along with Eric Prince. DOGE was Trump's payoff to Musk, but Musk proved himself too obnoxious to be that close to the center of power for long. I also think that this was the kind of thing they only could have pulled off once, because there are now too many people watching more closely to trip them up. This is part of why Trump's reaction this time around was so ham-handed - the wheels on the conspiracy bus are beginning to come off.

[yellow dahlia]

139. So simple and so obvious.

And then the data matches the observational analysis.

[Polybius]

128. Republicans are saying the same thing about Tuesday

See how ridiculous that sounds? If Republicans could steal a major election with Biden in power, then how come they couldn't steal a far easier election with Trump in power?

[Skittles]

129. you'd be surprised just how much sexism / racism played into it

I wasn't.

[EdmondDantes_]

149. Does that same logic apply to the 2010 elections?

After all in 2008 we won the White House, the Senate, and the House. Then in 2010, Republicans took 7 Senate seats and 63 House seats. Does that sweeping victory prove we cheated in 2008? Obviously not. Nor does this set of elections in an off year with a deeply polarizing and overall unpopular president and a dysfunctional Republican Congress that has so far passed a big tax cut and otherwise twiddled their thumbs.

[Clouds Passing]

151. Alot!