I thought lying in court had consequences?

[drray23]

Apparently not. In the past few days, we have had several cases of Trump officials caught lying in court. During the sandwich guy trial, for example, the officer initially said he was hit by the sandwich and it exploded on him, spraying onion and mustard, etc, on him. Turns out that the defense shows a video proving it was a lie. No consequence for that officer.

In the Bonvino case, he said that he threw tear gas after being hit by a projectile. Again, they proved in court that it was not true, and Bonvino admitted he lied. I have not heard that it had any consequences.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

1. Lying to a judge will catch up with you

[drray23]

2. For us little people

But so far for the Trump clique it does not matter.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Nothing catches up with Maggats.

[popsdenver]

18. Especially the

biased, corrupt, Republican, Appointed Judges swarming in the Appellate Courts.....

And even more true in the USSC......

[Irish_Dem]

19. No rule of law for Republicans.

[popsdenver]

20. It has long been a mantra of Republicans

that their means justifies the end result.....

[Irish_Dem]

21. They will do anything to enact their evil agenda.

And make no bones about it.

[dsc]

3. It is hard to get prosecutors to go after cops for that

because they depend upon them for their cases. It should be noted in both cases the perjury greatly harmed their cases.

[Bev54]

4. I think Bovino admitted to at least 3 lies to the court, in his deposition.

[70sEraVet]

6. How can lying in Court be punished,

when you have Supreme Court Justices who blatantly lied during their confirmation hearings??
Telling 'alternate truths' (that is, statements that can only be truths in an alternate universe) are apparently acceptable now.

[bronxiteforever]

7. Any prosecutor would be from Bondi's DOJ.

She won’t approve charges.

[drray23]

9. I think judges can directly charge if its contempt

And it happens in front of them in court.

[bronxiteforever]

10. Judges can't prosecute the case.

[drray23]

11. There are limited exceptions.

In the case of criminal contempt, judges can name a special prosecutor if DOJ refuses.

It's the so-called rule 42:

Rule 42: The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (Rule 42) was amended in 2002 to specifically allow for this practice in criminal contempt cases.

Granted this seems extreme and I don't know if a judge ever invoked it. It's a sign of our times with this rogue DOJ that this kind of thing is being discussed.

[mahina]

8. I like the defense attorneyʻs wry comment

That a bulletproof jacket was probably sufficient to protect him from a sandwich. Paraphrased.

[QED]

12. IOKIYAR

[surfered]

13. In Trump's America, Republicans can lie with impunity. Only Democrats will be prosecuted.

[3825-87867]

14. NIIIYAAR

Nothing Is Illegal If You Are A Republican

[lastlib]

15. Laws are for Democrats....

Haven't you been keeping up?

[ChicagoTeamster]

16. Not always right away but the statute of limitations and jurisdiction may allow filing charges years later

Spoke too soon, Bovino got consequences

[questionseverything]

27. So the injunction is his consequence?

Help me understand this

[BaronChocula]

17. They represent the privileged class

Ya know. You have to mitigate consequences dealt to them.

(the tear gas lie was just cited a minute ago on Ari)

[MW67]

22. That's just because

The criminals are in control of the government, and the sad news is there won't be any justice or accountability until they are no longer in control , also no one will stop them until the vast majority of people rise up against them, it's up to us

[Ms. Toad]

24. First - if a witness perjures himself, that is a separate charge - in a separate trial

As to the sandwich guy, I assume you are talking about the claimed explosion since I just watched the video - and the sandwich did hit the officer. Whether it exploded or not isn't material to the charge of battery. Battery doesn't get established (or the level of offense changed) based on whether the battery was messy. The perjury must be as to a material fact to be a crime, and that lie wasn't material.

As to the second - it would be up to the local prosecutor to charge Bonvino with perjury.

[questionseverything]

28. I thought a judge could hold people ( jail them) for contempt of court

[TomSlick]

25. I count on people lying in court.

I've never seen anyone charged with perjury but it surely pisses off judges and juries.

That's why I always tell clients that if a lawyer asks a question with a court reporter present, they not only know the answer but can prove it.

[HappyH]

26. I believe the sandwich guy agent

He did find condiments and a piece of onion on his vest. Just not from an imaginary sandwich explosion, I’m damn sure the federal agent ate that sandwich when no one was looking.