Senate Democrats to Cave to Republicans

[angrychair]

Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:05 PM - Edit history (4)

The emerging deal would include a stopgap measure to extend government funding until January and be tied to a larger package to fully fund several key agencies.

The deal would not include an extension of the expiring enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies — a key Democratic demand — but it would guarantee a vote in the Senate on the issue at a later date.

This is incredibly disappointing. I am at a lose for words. Why would they they do this?!?

There are no assurances that the extension of ACA subsidies would become law.

Without the subsidies the entire healthcare system will collapse. That is not my opinion but a fact.
We cannot allow our party to cave like this. This will ruin our midterm chances.


Source: https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/09/politics/government-shutdown-reopen-deal-senate

Update:
Axios states that there is a potential for a vote of extending the subsidies for a year but the vote would not occur until December and it would require a 60 vote margin and still not guarantee that Mango Mussolini would sign it.

Source: https://www.axios.com/2025/11/09/senate-deal-to-end-government-shutdown-sunday-vote

2nd UPDATE:
Deal seems to be met with less enthusiasm by Democrats than Republicans.

Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who caucuses with Democrats, said as he headed into the meeting that “it would be a policy and political disaster” to vote to reopen the government without a guarantee.

Senator Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, who was initially involved in the bipartisan talks, also did not sound inclined to back a deal. “I always said, we’ve got to do something concrete on health care, and it’s hard to see how that happened,” she said.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/11/09/us/trump-news#government-shutdown-senate-vote

Final update

Senators have reached a deal to end the government shutdown.

The agreement, which was negotiated in part by Sens. Angus King, Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan as well as GOP senators, has “more than enough” members of the Senate Democratic Caucus to advance, according to two people granted anonymity to disclose the terms.

Not sure where to go from here. Democratic Party is screwed.

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[SheltieLover]

1. Gawd I hope not!

[Bobstandard]

18. It would be a f'ing disaster!

Talk about burning your base.

[NotHardly]

21. CNN not known for their reporting integrity. I do hope this is CNN just publicly jacking off again.

[angrychair]

44. I updated my OP

To include an article from Axios that gave more details on the ACA subsidies part of the deal.
No guarantees. Vote wouldn't happen until December. Would require a 60 vote margin. No guarantee Mango Mussolini would sign it

[Demsrule86]

115. That is not a deal. It is a surrender.

[angrychair]

118. I did a second update to OP

That quoted Senators Sanders and Slotkin (of which Slotkin had been part of negotiations) to say that, essentially, they are a "no".

[Lovie777]

2. I've read otherwise..................

[angrychair]

5. Just going by this article

And other articles. If you have a different source with better information I will update my OP

[TBF]

79. Where? All I have seen with google searches is

that they are voting for the 15th time tonight (per Thune)

And that they may have enough democratic votes - https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5597679-senate-funding-measure-shutdown-end/

where did you find "otherwise" ???

[rsdsharp]

3. Will they ever learn? You can't negotiate with Lucy to kick the football at a "later date"

Charlie Brown.

[dem4decades]

86. If the Senate Democrats trust Trump, we need new Senators.

[rsdsharp]

99. If they trust Republicans we need new Senators.

[dem4decades]

4. Are they really folding? I hate having the Republicans bully us and we thanking them.

[angrychair]

7. That's what the article says

And a couple others I read. I hope it's wrong but given Senate Democrats history on CRs.

[dem4decades]

11. Schumer had to go. There's got to be someone with some fight in them.

[Celerity]

16. The deal would not include an extension of the expiring enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies -- a key Democratic demand

— but it would guarantee a vote in the Senate on the issue at a later date.

There are no assurances that the extension of ACA subsidies would become law.

60 votes will be needed to pass the extension of the ACA subsidies in the Senate, plus it also has to pass in the Rethug-controlled US House.

IF that is indeed the 'deal', then this will likely be shambolic cave-in by the centrists and Schumer.

[gulliver]

6. Hungry kids

I'm proud of our Dems.

Solomon's "good mother" did the right thing. If this goes through, we won.

[SamuelTheThird]

8. How is this a win?

60 votes are needed for the subsidy vote, assuming it even occurs. Those subsidies are toast.

[gulliver]

14. I don't think they're toast

I trust our Dems. Republicans don't want a healthcare nightmare in an election year. And kids don't go hungry. That last is the ultimate blackmail.

[SamuelTheThird]

15. I don't know enough to say

But could you list the 15 republican senators who would definitely vote for it? I doubt it

[Chicken Magnet]

26. And that's assuming the House even takes it up.

[Demsrule86]

113. They have waited

For years to destroy the ACA and democrats will be blamed. They are not saving snap so what did we win? Nothing. Schumer needs to go.

[krawhitham]

51. You can't let peope starve it is that simple

This battle was over when Ketanji Brown Jackson halted snap payments, unless you are willing to sacrifice citizens to win. trump IS.

The next battle is in 2 months, hopefully with snap locked in place you can shut down the government for a lot longer if needed to force the GOP on Healthcare subsidies.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

57. For one, we're not the ones letting Americans starve, that would be the repigs.

and two, it's been explained ad nauseum why she did this.

[krawhitham]

71. I did not say she was right or wrong, all I said is she DID it

No matter the reason that was the moment the battle was lost, but not the war. Regroup and win the next battle in January.

And YES if we continue the shutdown, DEMS starving people too. If you have the power/ability to stop people from dying and refuse then YES YOU'RE ALSO TO BLAME.

trump & the GOP are willing to let people die to win, Democrats rightfully so, are not.

[Demsrule86]

117. So instead we kill the the ACA? Snap is cut too

We get nothing.

[angrychair]

9. How so?!?

We are folding on the main reason Democrats started this whole thing. They are giving up on the ACA subsidies.
I cannot emphasize this enough: if we do not restore the subsidies before the end of the year the entire US healthcare system will collapse. That is not metaphorical or hyperbolic.

[thesquanderer]

100. I disagree. They're not talking about ending ALL subsidies...

...they're talking about the enhanced subsidies added in 2021, which are expiring because there was never any agreement to make them permanent. They came about because of COVID. If they expire, it's not like Obamacare collapses. Rather, it reverts back to what it was in 2020. It will definitely make things a lot worse for a lot of people, and I'm not advocating for it. But IMO, saying that what we had in 2020 was so bad that going back to it means that "the entire US healthcare system will collapse" is indeed exactly what you said it wasn't: hyperbolic.

[angrychair]

108. Respectfully

That wasn't my opinion. People are already getting their estimates for next year without the expiring subsidies factored in and their costs for insurance are going from $400/month to $1200/month or higher.

People can't afford that and healthy people will drop a d risk it. Leaving a larger pool of higher risk patients that will cause another increase in premiums to account for the smaller pool of healthy people.

[thesquanderer]

137. I understand. But if you genuinely believe ""the entire US healthcare system will collapse" under the old rules, then...

...you have to wonder why the entire system wasn't on the verge of collapsing in 2020, when we were operating under those rules. (As I mentioned in another post, the new rules came about because of covid, not because the system was collapsing.) If the system was working under those rules, I think it is hyperbole to say it will necessarily collapse if we go back to them.

Again, I want those subsidies extended. (Or at least some version of them.) I'm just saying that, while it would be bad if they weren't, the fact that the old rules had not led to the the collapse of the entire US healthcare system is strong evidence that going back to them would not lead to that collapse either.

[Demsrule86]

119. Experts have said the prices would triple... into

the thousand which would destroy ACA. This is a betray to those who have fought Trump and will likely destroy the midterm for us. Everyone write your senators and house members. Every Democrat who caves will be primaries. Schumer for sure.

[thesquanderer]

136. agreed, prices could triple for some people. For example...

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...there were people with incomes that were a bit too high to qualify for subsidies originally, and with the 2021 enhancements to the program, their income now qualified. If we return to 2020 rules, their income will no longer qualify. So if the 2021 changes cut their premiums by 2/3, then yes, letting those changes expire will put them back where they were in 2020, before that 2/3 cut, which means yes, triple what they are now paying.

I am not in favor of cutting back on the subsidies. I'm just saying I don't think it would destroy the ACA. If having the subsidies back at 2020 levels would destroy the ACA, doesn't that make you wonder why the ACA had not collapsed in 2020? (The enhanced subsides came about, not because the ACA was on the verge of collapsing, but because of covid.)

But as for the *political* implications you refer to, yeah, that's a concern. And if we do indeed lose this fight, the handling of the messaging could be critical as we come to the midterms, agreed.

[dem4decades]

12. Hungry kids now without healthcare? Great win.

And yes, I'm being sarcastic.

[krawhitham]

55. How many do we let die for the healthcare subsidies?

[dem4decades]

66. Who is starving? Let's be real, there's other sources for food, especially in the short term.

What alternatives are there for affordable Healthcare?

[krawhitham]

81. Lot of food banks running dry for no one to be starving

https://www.cpr.org/2025/08/27/colorado-food-banks-decrease-in-supply-demand-high/
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article312674269.html
https://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2025/10/31/local-food-pantry-issues-urgent-appeal-as-shelves-run-bare/
https://www.eacourier.com/news/empty-cupboards-local-food-banks-feeling-the-crunch-of-the-federal-government-shutdown/article_a6b9f675-484e-48bd-892a-b453e918296e.html
https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-food-lines-snap-6b55e2c21c0198f3309f3a45a55f33b6
https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/snap-delays-snap-indianapolis-food-pantries
https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-snap-mobile-food-pantries-115/69265270
https://www.11alive.com/article/life/food/latin-american-association-food-pantry-nearly-empty-snap-delays-drive-demand/
https://stateline.org/2025/10/29/local-leaders-rush-to-help-but-cant-fill-massive-snap-void/
https://katu.com/news/local/empty-shelves-growing-need-at-rural-oregon-food-banks-as-federal-snap-cuts-loom-state-university-michael-kuhn-trump-administration-edie-nelson
https://www.pressherald.com/2025/04/06/federal-cuts-leave-maine-food-pantries-with-empty-shelves-and-more-need-than-ever/
https://www.uticaod.com/story/news/local/2025/09/15/united-way-didnt-renew-grant-for-johnson-park-food-pantry-in-utica/86118554007/
https://www.westernmassnews.com/2025/11/06/springfield-dioceses-pantries-feel-strain-snap-cutoff/

[Chicken Magnet]

19. If this happens, and I'm skeptical it will, not sure how this is a win.

The Democrats don't gain anything here. A promise to vote on healthcare is useless, especially if it only involves the senate. The whole point of the shutdown was to guarantee an extension of the subsidies and that isn't in this deal.

In fact, you could reason this whole episode was pointless and that the Democrats prolonged the shutdown for no reason if they can't get a guarantee on the subsidy extension.

Regardless, I'm hoping it's not true but I'm gonna contact those supposedly wavering to plead they don't cave.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. Welcome to DU.

I'm going to hold my fire until I hear directly from leadership, what with all the misinformation and fake news.

[Chicken Magnet]

22. Thanks but I hope by that point it's not too late.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. We'll know soon enough. nt

[Lochloosa]

74. Welcome to DU Chicken Magnet

[rso]

87. Shutdown

It’s only for a short CR, if Dems don’t get what they want, they shut it down again.

[Chicken Magnet]

94. They will have zero leverage in that situation...

Because they've already blinked and already have prolonged the longest shutdown in US history and gained nothing for it. The whole point of the original shutdown was to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire on the subsidies and they didn't get an extension out of that ... so do they really think Americans are going to trust they'll get it a second time?

[LymphocyteLover]

89. Dems made their point, clearly repigs are not going to give in. Repigs get all the blowback on healthcare

[Chicken Magnet]

96. So, Democrats prolonged a shutdown that caused a lot of pain, to make a political point?

I'm sorry but that's not the optics you think it is. If that's the narrative that comes out of this shutdown, Democrats will be the scapegoat for it. The whole point was to force Republicans into concessions and they got nothing if this deal goes through. So, all that pain to help those on the ACA ... was in vain.

[LymphocyteLover]

130. What's your solution? There was no way out of this is Repigs aren't willing to give in.

and Repigs clearly weren't going to cave before more damage was done.

You don't think Dems would be blamed for ruining Thanksgiving?

[Mr.WeRP]

116. Dems own it. Healthcare is on them because they caved

All the Rs are going to do is say if Dems thought it was so important, why did they cave?!

[LymphocyteLover]

129. because the govt does a ton of important things besides healthcare

No way will Dems be blamed by regular people for high healthcare costs under these circumstances.

[Mr.WeRP]

49. Well when they die because they can't get health care, I will personally hold you and them accountable.

[Cirsium]

121. Caving is winning?

How so?

Since the Republicans will always threaten dire consequences on everything if they don't get their way, does that mean we should always cave?

[Nanjeanne]

10. So...government gets opened until JANUARY??? And we do it all again. Lucy snatches the healthcare subsidy football from

Charlie and Dems fold for nothing and in January - government closes down again. WHAT A WIN!

[Greywing]

13. Read the article ... I no longer trust CNN sources

Especially when the article only quotes John Thune (who is a Republican in case y’all forgot).

[angrychair]

27. I updated My OP

With another article from Axios. It says a lot of the same but includes more details on the ACA subsidies vote.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. Vote. Schumer. Out. Of. The. Leadership. Role.

He's too old to stomach the job.

[EnergizedLib]

24. We better not cave

I’ll be depressed.

[Quiet Em]

25. This article seems to be pushing what the Republicans in the Senate want to happen

I don't believe there are the votes for this to pass.

Hakeem Jeffries has said that the House Democrats will not sign any legislation that merely promises future talks on health care subsidies.

So Thune's plan would be DOA at the House even if is somehow passed the Senate, which is doubtful.

[angrychair]

30. I did update my OP

To include an article from Axios that gives more details on the ACA subsidies vote in December.

[Quiet Em]

36. I just read it.

There is no way Democrats will go for that. Nobody trusts the con artist and nobody trust the Republican Congress members either.

[SSJVegeta]

28. The GOP proposed sendingthe subsidies directly to the individuals

Instead of to the companies.


That is more or less the same thing.

[angrychair]

33. No, it's not

Without the subsidies built into the system the costs would be prohibitive still. It's been structured the way it is for a reason.

[SSJVegeta]

46. Thats a good point. I revise my statement to the far less compelling:

"Its better than nothing."

[generalbetrayus]

48. If the subsidies were sent directly to the individuals, I imagine it would be considered income

and they would have to pay income tax on them come April 15.

[SSJVegeta]

50. Okay. Very much not* the same thing...

My words are aging like milk 😆

[Cobalt Violet]

29. shumer is such a poor leader.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. Horrible but we won the 2025 election & Republicans will own the end of ACA for 2026

The entire economy will collapse if the shutdown doesn't end.

GOP Senators will get an earful from constituents.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. So they're not caving. nt

[angrychair]

34. Not sure what you mean. N/T

...

[angrychair]

104. Positive update

That may support the deal falling apart:

Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who caucuses with Democrats, said as he headed into the meeting that “it would be a policy and political disaster” to vote to reopen the government without a guarantee.

Senator Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, who was initially involved in the bipartisan talks, also did not sound inclined to back a deal. “I always said, we’ve got to do something concrete on health care, and it’s hard to see how that happened,” she said.

What is crazy is I grabbed this from a NYT update and just 20 minutes later these comments from Sanders and Slotkin are gone.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

106. Thank you for the update.

I think someone else also pointed out the Slotkin is against the "deal" without concrete evidence of good faith from the repigs, which we all know, there is no such thing as concrete evidence of good faith with them.

This is definitely a positive update.

[angrychair]

126. Second update from Politico

Is that Senate Dems have caved and they have more than enough votes to pass

The agreement, which was negotiated in part by Sens. Angus King, Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan as well as GOP senators, has “more than enough” members of the Senate Democratic Caucus to advance, according to two people granted anonymity to disclose the terms.

Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/09/government-funding-deal-on-track-to-advance-sunday-night-00644110

[Rebl2]

35. If republicans

Don’t come up with a satisfactory solution to health care for those on the ACA, couldn’t democrats use this against them in future elections? Maybe I am being naive.

[angrychair]

39. It's deeper than that

Without the subsidies the healthcare system will collapse. People will not be able to afford healthcare and it will impact more than just ACA costs but employer provided health insurance as well. Maybe not for this year but for next year for sure.

[RockRaven]

38. If you are disappointed in turnout or independents in the next election, remember this decision.

If you say you are drawing a line because you stand for something, and then don't stand for it, you earn contempt.

[QueerDuck]

54. Oh brother.

Threats like this drive the party further to the right and center-right... to pick up lost votes of the purists and virtue-signalers. They think they're punishing the party, but they're only punishing themselves. Genius.

[RockRaven]

110. You seem to have completely missed my point. I am not making any threats

nor am I saying what exactly the Democrats position ought to be/ought to have been -- only noting that the failure of the action to match the talk is going to cost them votes.

[QueerDuck]

128. Okay.

[Samael13]

114. People need a reason to vote

We're not the Republicans isn't enough. Okay so you aren't the Republicans but what have you done thus far to differentiate yourself. The message will be democrats forced a shutdown on an issue made people go without pay and go without snap benefits and in the end caved and got nothing. How does that help get voters out.

[QueerDuck]

127. People are not very smart sometimes.

[Samael13]

135. Condescension and insults that'll help being voters in

[orangecrush]

40. [phone]. CALL SCHUMER

[BigmanPigman]

97. I just left him a message....

Basically begging him to stand firm and NOT cave.

His mailbox was not full so that means not enough people are calling him. I call all the senators all the time in every state and a voice mail box should be filled with calls until it can't take any more. More Americans must call!!!!

[walkingman]

122. Left him a message also - I doubt it will matter. Can't understand why he would trust anything the GOP says?

[lees1975]

41. NO! NO! NO!

After an election night when Democrats, because of their stand and because the GOP is getting the hell beaten out of them for this shutdown, Schumer is going to cave on this?

Why can't this party get it?

If this is true, and it is what they are planning to do, then we are setting outselves up to lose without being beaten.

[AllyCat]

42. F this. Absolutely NOOO!

Why do they do this? How could they be so spineless when they have to stand up for us?

Sheesh, what is the point of this? A measly 2 months??

[Scrivener7]

43. Goddamn it. This is ridiculous.

[krawhitham]

45. Not that bad of a plan really, if it is the plan

You stop the pain now for government workers, and snap recipients
It gives time for the snap thing to get though the court system.
You get the GOP on record refusing to help pay for healthcare (if they do vote it down)
Then in January you can close the government down again with snap in place and be able to hold out until they agree on Healthcare

[angrychair]

47. Unfortunately, no.

Without the subsidies, ACA costs could go up as much as 1000% starting in January. People will drop their coverage and start the spiral of the healthcare collapse.

[BWdem4life]

95. Seems to me

That a January deal would include language to allow a special enrollment period. That being said, it might take longer than that and in the meantime people would be without healthcare.

I just really hate this whole "open enrollment" and "insurance" crap. Health care should be a right, period.

[QueerDuck]

61. Exactly. That's how politics works. It's a chess game, it's give-and-take, it's maneuvering...

and finding common ground (or at least the appearance, temporarily) to give some breathing room. These folks who want everything right now, no compromise, all or nothing... will always end up with nothing. Sad.

[TommyT139]

80. And with discontinuity of coverage

There will be no getting back on.

[MontanaMama]

90. Give and take?

There’s no give with the rethuglican terrorist organization. Dems give and they take. This isn’t difficult to see.

[MerryBlooms]

65. It stops no pain

People still suffer

[TBF]

83. We have the upper hand now with air traffic controllers not being paid -

it is pissing off people who have to wait in lines at airports around the country.

So, we give in and lose healthcare? We won't have this type of bargaining power in January. Right now is the time to say "No deal without an agreement on ACA in writing". And not "oh we'll vote on that in December". They lie daily.

[MerryBlooms]

52. Shit sandwich! No way! F this, all a this!!

[Docreed2003]

53. If this happens

Especially after a blue tsunami in the middle of this shutdown, the party needs to be prepared to lose a base of fired up supporters who will view this move as a betrayal. The GOP isn't budging on the subsidies, they've said so for weeks. They're already attempting to paint subsidies as a Democratic handout to insurance companies. Any "promise of a vote" is the dumbest, weakest agreement possible because a promise of a vote isn't bringing down people's deductibles.

[TBF]

56. Discussions confirmed in "the Hill" as well - Thune is trying to push this vote through tonight

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5597679-senate-funding-measure-shutdown-end/

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

58. All two parties agree that you have the freedom to suffer and die.

If you want basic human rights (food, clothing, shelter, education, health care), you can get a job and pay ever-inflating prices for them like good rich people do, you lazy bum. It's extreme Calvinist Protestant (a.k.a. "Evangelical" or fundamentalist) Christianity in practice: the poor are poor because it's their fault and they're not going to heaven because God doesn't shine upon them - so why bother worrying?

While nothing is sure yet, it's a good. bet that Democrats will cave on the budget "for the sake of the country." Which is to say for the sake of the wealthy people, investment funds and corporations. That's what we get for electing"moderates." The whole "vote blue" regardless thing has gotten us here, where all the moderates want to do is get (re)elected, bipartisan with their friends across the aisle, do insider trading without penalty and get some sinecure position on a corporate board if they've arrived at the point of feathering their nest enough (see Kristen Sinema). Anyone can call themselves a Democrat, and lots of right-wingers run as Democrats because of history or media-encouraged perception. See Hawai'i for a worst-case example. The current party leadership's notions of government resembles Nixon's GOP more than anything else (perhaps with a bit less megalomania). Saying "we don't have ideological parties" is, perhaps, the biggest sleight-of-hand (a.k.a., con) that anyone's been able to pull of since the invention of religion.

The push to take the party further and further right that began with Carter and reached nauseating proportions with Clinton and Obama got us right here. That's allowed the GOP to move ever further right, too, and leads us straight to Trumpism. The elite is delighted at seldom having to worry about things like "socialism," however much they're presently losing their shit over Mamdani; and all power rests with the elite in our system where money is "free speech. While folks rightly say Schumer is A problem, he's hardly THE only problem. For example, almost everyone on this site has been celebrating the "big wins" in the NJ and VA governors' races. Both those women were Blue Dog Caucus before having a very public falling out with Jared Golden - not over policy, but over the name. They are the far right of your party and are running to crucial states. Big wins, those. We here at DU love elephants in jackass costumes, unless it's Schumer's good friend Joe Manchin, apparently.

Electing "moderates" is why we can't have nice things.

[MerryBlooms]

59. Everyone pissed off at Jon Stewart, wondering how Dems were gonna piss away a win? This! All a this BS

[kacekwl]

60. I hope this is not true.

Really hope.

[MerryBlooms]

76. Me too. My heart gonna be broke

[taxi]

62. Nope, nothing to see here

[Permanut]

63. Let's give our lunch money to the playground bully again..

What could go wrong?

[Blue Owl]

64. DON'T BE BOOTLICKERS

The GOP seems to be self-destructing, don’t get in their way!

[MerryBlooms]

67. Omg, i feel.like we're trapped in that crappy game show. Deal, Or No Deal!?!

Except, it's peoples lives at stake. So, combo, Deal No Deal, Weasley Shit?, Hunger Games? WTF??

[Bread and Circuses]

69. I hope this is NOT accurate. DO NOT CAVE

[Chasstev365]

70. OMG

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Once, again, the Democrats have rescued Republicans and will have the football yanked away when Republicans do nothing on affordable healthcare.

[BannonsLiver]

72. FUBAR

The fact this party can’t ever speak and act in a completely unified manner is extremely demoralizing. Even if there’s no cave, it’s clear some of these people are more than ready to give up the fight.

[MerryBlooms]

73. If Republican's lips are moving, they're lying!

They won't follow through on Any agreement! Fuck, how many times Dems gonna fall for this shit?!?

[Clouds Passing]

75. The Pubes will never honor their agreement.

[underpants]

77. JFC

[Cirsium]

78. Oh, sure

"It would guarantee a vote in the Senate on the issue at a later date." Sure, it will. When has McConnell ever screwed us?

[rso]

82. Shutdown

It’s only for a short CR, if democrats don’t get what they want, they shut it down again.

[mvd]

84. We can't trust them at all!

There may not even be a vote and if there was they could just sink it. Giving more up yet again.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

88. I can envision Been A Dick Donald telling his toadies in the Senate to go ahead

and make the promise of a vote to extend the ACA credits in Dec and when the time comes for the vote, "we'll just fuck the Democrats, as usual" all the while laughing at how gullible Dems are.

[Javaman]

85. Don't believe it. This is from cnn

Just another way for them to boost eyeballs.

[senseandsensibility]

91. MSNBC is reporting right now that Elisa Slotkin

(very moderate) is against this without more guarantees.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

93. And she has every incentive to not trust the repigs given their past history of going back on their "promises".

[dlk]

92. If there were no Republican concessions gained,

Why have the shutdown in the first place? All of the suffering for nothing? This would make Republicans look strong and Democrats look weak.

[Happy Hoosier]

98. Remember when Jon Stewart asked how

Democrats will fuck up our massive victories on Tuesday?

Welp.

[maliaSmith]

101. Schumer caved again?

Time for AOC to run and whup Schumer who has wasted all his capital by his numerous caves. What a weak useless man.

[quakerboy]

102. Perhaps its the easiest way to make sure that they lose the midterms

This recent electoral brush with victory may have scared them into submission. Because if we were to win, take any actual power, then we would be expected to use the power to help Americans, and that might conflict with easy donations and friendly lobbyists.

Or, if im more charitable in my interpretation, it could be interpreted as personal cowardice. Standing up and gaining/using real power would put them in conflict with the dictator. There is personal danger in being in that position.

[NoMoreRepugs]

103. Democratic Senate Leadership is turning into an oxymoron.

[paleotn]

105. Many a slip between a cup and a lip...

I remember when the ACA was considered all but dead, until the senior Senator from AZ did a thumbs down, and Mitch McConnell looked like he'd been slapped in the face. Bernie Sanders knew before hand which way McCain would vote and if you watch tape of that, you can see him whispering to Jeanne Shaheen something along the lines of "watch this."

My point is, it ain't done until it's done. So keep elbows and chins up folks!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

107. I was so proud of my Sen. that fateful day,

Moscow Mitch looked like he had been hit between the eyes with a hammer when Sen. McCain did his thumb down gesture.
He was sure he had the votes to kill off the ACA.

[paleotn]

111. Yep! That was one of those moments in history you can't forget.

Poor Mitch.

[C_U_L8R]

112. Surrender to bullies and they will mercilessly pummel us

I am so disappointed and disagree with capitulating to terrorists, hostage takers, liars and crooks as these republican prove to be. Where are the fighters we elected?

[Owl]

120. Damn!

[Doodley]

123. Democratic lawmakers needed to make the number one priority to communicate to the American

people that Trump is taking healthcare away from tens of millions of people to give tax cuts to his rich buddies who are going to help him get even richer. If that had happened, Trump would be on 30% approval and our bargaining power would be in a much stronger position. As it is, I would bet most people don't even know that basic fact.

[Scrivener7]

124. I wish the "that's not happening, all is well" crowd here would get it through their heads that

all is not well.

I regret my many votes for Schumer. I will vote for his opponent in the next primary.

[MontanaMama]

125. Well, insurance for my husband and me

Will go up from $230 per month with subsidies to $2526 per month without. Our deductible will be just over $10,000 per person. We are retired and can’t afford this. This is very close to what we were paying while we were still working three years ago. We were self employed for the last 30 years and had to pay through the nose for health insurance for all those years. I’m so weary of being ripped off.

[Scrivener7]

133. And if you had known they would have pulled this rug out from under you, no doubt you

would have kept working and done what you needed to do. But now there are so many who haven't the wherewithal for this, and have no options.

This is horrifying. I'm so sorry.

[flying-skeleton]

132. Primary these traitors

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

[Hotler]

134. Eight dem senators that still haven't firgured out that there is no common ground between democracy and fascism.

I doubt it' the first time they crossed the isle to vote with repugs. And you can bet it won't be the last.