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michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:51 AM Dec 2012

Since 1981, private sector defined retirement benefits have shrunk from 60% to 10% of workers

American pensions were some of the hardest hit in the world by the Great Recession, falling in value by over a quarter in 2008, with only modest recovery since then. But private pensions already had become a less steady leg of retirement security prior to the recent recession. Since the early 1980s, businesses have gradually shifted responsibility for pensions onto workers, with predictable results. In 1981, approximately 60 percent of private sector workers were covered by a pension with a guaranteed payout. Today only about 10 percent of private sector workers have guaranteed payout pensions. Meanwhile, 401(k)-type retirement contribution plans have gone from covering only about 17 percent of the private workforce to about 65 percent today...

http://www.alternet.org/economy/dont-cut-social-security-double-it

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Since 1981, private sector defined retirement benefits have shrunk from 60% to 10% of workers (Original Post) michigandem58 Dec 2012 OP
My employer is cutting off pensions at the end of 2013 liberal N proud Dec 2012 #1
And how big has your company CEO's compensation been? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #3
He took a 47% increase this year liberal N proud Dec 2012 #6
Along with stagnant wages for the exact time period as well. SugarShack Dec 2012 #2
Thanks, Reagan Zoeisright Dec 2012 #4
My first thought, too michigandem58 Dec 2012 #5
And thanks to everybody who voted for Reagan. yardwork Dec 2012 #12
+100000000 NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #16
K and fucking R slackmaster Dec 2012 #7
We should be working to recreate the world our parents enjoyed abelenkpe Dec 2012 #11
401K reteachinwi Dec 2012 #8
Good Point buzzroller Dec 2012 #9
Ask your bank about 401K retirement accounts. RC Dec 2012 #18
sounds like a great time to raise the eligibility age for medicare and abelenkpe Dec 2012 #10
On top of that, how many people Heywood J Dec 2012 #13
Mergers and Acquisitions Deny and Shred Dec 2012 #14
Yeah. And when the stock market crashes so does your 401-k nest egg judesedit Dec 2012 #15
But so did any pension funds... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #17
See post #18 RC Dec 2012 #19

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
1. My employer is cutting off pensions at the end of 2013
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:59 AM
Dec 2012

If I am even still employed by this employer in 2013, I am awaiting my fate in the next month to find out if I even have a job going forward.

For those who have a job in 2013, it will be the last year the company offers a pension plan, they are however going to offer that 401K plan.

I work for a company that in the last 10 years has gone from an exceptional company that offered fantastic benefits, with above the normal matching contributions, better than average vacation packages and policies that made the employee not only feel important but was important. From exceptional to normal, doing what everyone else does and not concerned about retaining quality people.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,443 posts)
3. And how big has your company CEO's compensation been?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dec 2012

Mine each year gets several times what my lump some retirement is.

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
6. He took a 47% increase this year
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:12 PM
Dec 2012

While announcing 10% cut in workforce for this next year.

The greedy get theirs while the rest can go hungary.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
7. K and fucking R
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:13 PM
Dec 2012

My dad retired from the Navy in 1956. He got a job, and stayed with the same company until he retired from that in 1987.

He had retirement benefits from both the Navy and that one job.

I got a rock.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
11. We should be working to recreate the world our parents enjoyed
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

I'm not sure I even have a whole rock. What will our kids have?

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
8. 401K
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:35 PM
Dec 2012

Pensions are replaced with 401Ks in many cases. 401Ks ask individual contributors to assume all the risks of investment. The investment houses collect fees whether they make money for their clients or not. Pensions are much more like insurance policies where the risk is spread out among pensioners and contributors. Conservatives want to make SS a 401K plan. They get the fees, we get cat food.

http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Retirement-Security

buzzroller

(67 posts)
9. Good Point
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
Dec 2012

In addition to the issue of greater fees and the burden of normal investment risks, an individual without a pension faces timing risk. This is the chance that he or she picked a bad time to retire and the market falls right before or after retirement without sufficient time to make up losses. Even with proper allocation of investments, this risk is impossible to overcome without a cushion of more funds than you needed.
It is also, in my opinion, one of the greatest advantages of a pension. A non-profit annuity, if available, could help, but I haven't seen them available.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
18. Ask your bank about 401K retirement accounts.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

I took mine from the stock market and put it into a CD type 401K. It is immune from the stock market. but doesn't pay all that well. But it is safe because it is insured by the FDIC. If you are nearing retirement age, within 7 or 8 years, it is something to look into. Also being a type of CD, you need to let it set for 7 years or so. Because of when I found out about it, I have to wait till I am 72. For me that is fine. Between a small pension and Social Security, I get more than the average monthly pay, than if I were still working at today's wages.


abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
10. sounds like a great time to raise the eligibility age for medicare and
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:22 PM
Dec 2012

cut social security benefits for future retirees, right?


Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
13. On top of that, how many people
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
Dec 2012

now last long enough at temporary/contract jobs (if benefits are even offered to them) to vest anything?

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
14. Mergers and Acquisitions
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

That time frame roughly fits Reagan's intentional tidal shift toward mega Multi-National Corporations. They changed the concept from workers being rewarded at the end of service for their contributions to a successful going concern toward wage-only compensation.

Thirty years of globalization has eroded "mom-and-pop" businesses and the values they exhibited.

 

OneMoreDemocrat

(913 posts)
17. But so did any pension funds...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:44 PM
Dec 2012

They tend to get invested in very similar places, unless you have a good financial adviser and pay attention.

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