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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSince 1981, private sector defined retirement benefits have shrunk from 60% to 10% of workers
American pensions were some of the hardest hit in the world by the Great Recession, falling in value by over a quarter in 2008, with only modest recovery since then. But private pensions already had become a less steady leg of retirement security prior to the recent recession. Since the early 1980s, businesses have gradually shifted responsibility for pensions onto workers, with predictable results. In 1981, approximately 60 percent of private sector workers were covered by a pension with a guaranteed payout. Today only about 10 percent of private sector workers have guaranteed payout pensions. Meanwhile, 401(k)-type retirement contribution plans have gone from covering only about 17 percent of the private workforce to about 65 percent today...
http://www.alternet.org/economy/dont-cut-social-security-double-it
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)If I am even still employed by this employer in 2013, I am awaiting my fate in the next month to find out if I even have a job going forward.
For those who have a job in 2013, it will be the last year the company offers a pension plan, they are however going to offer that 401K plan.
I work for a company that in the last 10 years has gone from an exceptional company that offered fantastic benefits, with above the normal matching contributions, better than average vacation packages and policies that made the employee not only feel important but was important. From exceptional to normal, doing what everyone else does and not concerned about retaining quality people.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,443 posts)Mine each year gets several times what my lump some retirement is.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)While announcing 10% cut in workforce for this next year.
The greedy get theirs while the rest can go hungary.
SugarShack
(1,635 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)You fucker.
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)Unions became bad guys and workers liabilities in his time.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)My dad retired from the Navy in 1956. He got a job, and stayed with the same company until he retired from that in 1987.
He had retirement benefits from both the Navy and that one job.
I got a rock.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I'm not sure I even have a whole rock. What will our kids have?
reteachinwi
(579 posts)Pensions are replaced with 401Ks in many cases. 401Ks ask individual contributors to assume all the risks of investment. The investment houses collect fees whether they make money for their clients or not. Pensions are much more like insurance policies where the risk is spread out among pensioners and contributors. Conservatives want to make SS a 401K plan. They get the fees, we get cat food.
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Retirement-Security
buzzroller
(67 posts)In addition to the issue of greater fees and the burden of normal investment risks, an individual without a pension faces timing risk. This is the chance that he or she picked a bad time to retire and the market falls right before or after retirement without sufficient time to make up losses. Even with proper allocation of investments, this risk is impossible to overcome without a cushion of more funds than you needed.
It is also, in my opinion, one of the greatest advantages of a pension. A non-profit annuity, if available, could help, but I haven't seen them available.
RC
(25,592 posts)I took mine from the stock market and put it into a CD type 401K. It is immune from the stock market. but doesn't pay all that well. But it is safe because it is insured by the FDIC. If you are nearing retirement age, within 7 or 8 years, it is something to look into. Also being a type of CD, you need to let it set for 7 years or so. Because of when I found out about it, I have to wait till I am 72. For me that is fine. Between a small pension and Social Security, I get more than the average monthly pay, than if I were still working at today's wages.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)cut social security benefits for future retirees, right?
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)now last long enough at temporary/contract jobs (if benefits are even offered to them) to vest anything?
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)That time frame roughly fits Reagan's intentional tidal shift toward mega Multi-National Corporations. They changed the concept from workers being rewarded at the end of service for their contributions to a successful going concern toward wage-only compensation.
Thirty years of globalization has eroded "mom-and-pop" businesses and the values they exhibited.
judesedit
(4,590 posts)OneMoreDemocrat
(913 posts)They tend to get invested in very similar places, unless you have a good financial adviser and pay attention.
RC
(25,592 posts)It might be an option.