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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe GOP and White House are "cackling with glee", calling Dem capitulation "losers and pussies"
For anyone wondering how this administration is going to spin Dems folding 🙄
Multiple Trump aides and allies
reveled in the relief from a shutdown that even President Trump acknowledged was getting Republicans killed politically.
Sheesh
— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan.bsky.social) 2025-11-11T01:23:37.543Z
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Irish_Dem
(81,248 posts)johnnyfins
(3,767 posts)Never leads to voter apathy...
BannonsLiver
(20,589 posts)Im not understanding how people arent inspired by that, especially with Lawerences amazing commentary last night.
Arazi
(8,887 posts)NOT!
displacedvermoter
(4,491 posts)Whyisthisstillclose
(663 posts)NCDem47
(3,470 posts)Don't Dems know how bullies work/think when they beat someone up?
BannonsLiver
(20,589 posts)In our politics bullying is respected/rewarded and the bullied, much less so. So theres that.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)now saying he doesn't know if or when he'll bring up the ACA extension, which means never, and when people can't afford health ins. anymore and the economy really, really tanks, people are going to point their fingers at the repukes, this is what Congressional Democrats should be hammering 24/7 far and wide.
Bettie
(19,702 posts)is somehow a win for Democrats!
But, the whole thing did rid many of us of that pesky feeling of hope after the election.
Vinca
(53,988 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)The deal forces Johnson to pass the two Democratic funding bills that Senate Democrats have been trying to bring to the floor for months and that were finally passed last night, and a humiliated Trump will be made to sign them into law.
SNAP and the VA will be fully funded until the end of the fiscal year (September 30, 2026), with an increase in appropriations to SNAP.
Republicans lost the threat of hungry kids and abandoned veterans as a bargaining chip in the next go-around in January.
And the Epstein files will once again become the top story.
Sorry, but Hasan's amplification of Republican talking points, while hardly surprising, is incredibly misinformed.
Can't see the forest for the trees.
Getting ACA subsidies with republican control wasn't going to happen. Expecting otherwise is delusional.
You have the promise of a vote, which will fail, but in the end you either have republicans on record or they dont have the vote and you hammer them with it. It will also cause internal strife with folks like MTG.
You also have snap funded, as you said and plenty of chances is to revisit the fight.
Trumps poll numbers were crished during it as well, and those won't recover just from it ending.
They shut down the government for 40 days, the longest shutdown ever. They couldn't keep it shut down forever. Will people lose Healthcare? Yes. Will people die? Yes. Those things were decided when Republicans took power, nothing democrats could do to stop it.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)hamsterjill
(17,576 posts)That statement alone tells me so much.
Trump does not feel anything. Nada. Zip. Zilch. So, he does not know HOW TO BE humiliated. He's a psychopath bully. He will sign bills and take full credit for it all.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)(that had been stuck in committee for months) that not only secures SNAP until the end of the fiscal year, but also increases its funding?
All for the guy who was holding out for a "clean CR".
NB
I never allow Republican narratives to shape Democratic messaging, most especially so when the Republican narrative is counterfactual to reality, as it frequently is.
Arazi
(8,887 posts)He and his fellow thugs know they kneecapped the Dems. Theres zero humiliation on their side of the aisle.
The opposite actually
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)but it is also a Republican talking point.
Sorry, but I don't allow Republicans to frame the Democratic message, especially not when the Republican message is counterfactual to reality, as it frequently is.
hamsterjill
(17,576 posts)Truth is truth.
fujiyamasan
(1,695 posts)What are we supposed to do now? Sing the praises of the glorious brave 8 that bucked the party?
hamsterjill
(17,576 posts)He doesn't know how to be humiliated, so he (himself) won't feel humiliation, and his followers are still going to see this as a victory for him. He will smile at the cameras and take credit for ending the shutdown. And the Average Joe will probably buy it.
Meanwhile, this action has pissed off many Democratic voters (like myself) and taken away the momentum that had been gained by last weeks elections (in my opinion, of course). But the all around mood and the polls reflect that as well. Many (if not most) are not happy about the eight Senators caving.
What does NB mean?
It's usually the media who is shaping the message. I care what the voters are hearing and believing, and I think it' pretty much the general consensus that Democrats need to do better and work harder on their messaging. I sincerely hope that they will begin to do that in a forceful and clear manner.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)or that Trump's failure to secure a clean CR counts as a victory for him, especially not when he will be forced to sign Democratic
appropriations bills that guarantee funds to hungry kids and veterans into law.
Given what I have been reading on social media, it is true that some people absolutely suck at messaging and need to work harder not to amplify Republican and anti-Democratic Party talking points. They also need to take steps to be better informed.
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NB is the Latin nota bene. It's used to emphasize something important.
Cui bono is also a Latin phrase commonly used. It means, "who benefits".
So who benefits from Republican talking points being amplified in liberal spaces?
Cui bono?
Not Democrats.
hamsterjill
(17,576 posts)There are many who dont see the reality that we are living through.
Have yourself a wonderful afternoon!
Quiet Em
(2,936 posts)I can assure you that the people are not cackling with glee.
They are showing everyone who they are. Despicable, deplorable creeps.
BannonsLiver
(20,589 posts)But hey, were getting a clean CR and a promise of a doomed vote next month!
Sogo
(7,191 posts)rates and coverage are locked in to begin January 1?
Arazi
(8,887 posts)lol
Sogo
(7,191 posts)It's clear they are evil bastards who don't give a sh!t about the American people.
LR3
(177 posts)hanging premium increases on the opposition, spotlighting the Repubs cruelty, winning elections in landslides, and hurting Repubs even according to the Orange Dingus.
Obviously we had no option but to capitulate.
EdmondDantes_
(1,794 posts)I don't worry much about Trump calling people names.
Takket
(23,714 posts)Well deserved. Absolutely the most stupid thing I've ever seen this party do.
tonekat
(2,528 posts)...from Dems. These are as welcome as the goddamn "Hello, hello?" calls that come in.
durablend
(9,267 posts)"Sry no money for donations"
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Actually, I think shutting the govt down was a stupid dem gamble that didn't pay off. IDK where they got the idea the repubs would agree to extend the ACA tax credits, but when you use the only leverage you have, which was shutting the govt down, then IMO they should have held strong & not caved. Has Trump released all the SNAP benefits? If not, then WTF?
When I was a kid & a young adult I thought the dems were the smart party. Now? I'm kind of embarrassed at how badly we've been played the past 45 years. I have hope in the younger gen dems who aren't burdened by sentimental & kind feelings toward their long-time colleagues.
Initech
(108,772 posts)They're the bullies who beat you up for your lunch money and then shove you into your locker. They're the restaurant reviewers who write 1 star reviews. They're the professional complainers. They would take candy from a baby and then have that baby deported by ICE.
mzmolly
(52,792 posts)to eat and federal employees to return to work.
On the other hand... https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-latest-house-senate-vote/
...
Jeffries says Democrats will offer amendment to extend health care tax credits for 3 years
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries told reporters that Democrats will offer an amendment during the House Rules Committee meeting to extend the expiring health care tax credits for three years.
"House Republicans, welcome back from your taxpayer-funded seven-week vacation," the New York Democrat said ahead of the meeting. "You now have an opportunity to actually take some action in an area of this health care crisis by working with Democrats before the Rules Committee this evening to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits."
...
Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva, an Arizona Democrat, will be sworn in at 4 p.m. Wednesday, according to House Speaker Mike Johnson's office.
The House is expected to begin voting on the funding bill to reopen the government soon after that.
Grijalva's swearing-in will not affect the two-vote margin Republicans currently hold.
She will be the decisive signature on a petition to force a vote on releasing files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Arazi
(8,887 posts)The House is up now. Lets see what they do
mzmolly
(52,792 posts)2 Meow Momma
(6,876 posts)It would matter if anyone except super maga idiots respected their opinion...so it doesn't matter.