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Miles Archer

(21,241 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 11:43 AM Nov 16

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) says the not-so-quiet part out loud. Really f*cking LOUD.

With a vote on releasing files related to Jeffrey Epstein just days away, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) said this weekend that it was clear President Donald Trump was “at the center of a child sex ring,” and that the president’s behavior over the past week made it clear that the files contained “something especially and specifically incriminating.”

“What we've already seen is immensely incriminating; clearly, Donald Trump was at the center of a child sex ring,” Murphy said, speaking over the weekend with The Bulwark Managing Editor Sam Stein during a panel. “That is heartbreaking that the president of the United States was involved in that kind of gross, craven immorality.”

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“He is in daily panic mode as we get closer to the moment where these files and the fullest truth that we have available to us is going to be made public, and it is clearly the biggest scandal in presidential history,” Murphy said.

“...It stands to reason that he wouldn't be fighting so hard to spin against this story, or bullying Republicans in the House to prevent the release of these files if there wasn't something especially and specifically incriminating in that information.”

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Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) says the not-so-quiet part out loud. Really f*cking LOUD. (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 16 OP
DURec leftstreet Nov 16 #1
I second that Rec. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 16 #7
I'll go thirds KS Toronado Nov 16 #24
heart attacks can be induced by certain toxins DBoon Nov 16 #26
There is some correlation between cardiovascular disease Farmer-Rick Nov 17 #64
I'm sure RFKjr has found some studies.... 70sEraVet Nov 17 #68
I think he's more likely to stroke out. buzzycrumbhunger Nov 16 #30
. dalton99a Nov 16 #2
Anyone have a link to the searchable database of the emails? Pachamama Nov 16 #3
Ask and you shall receive Miles Archer Nov 16 #4
Oh thank you Miles.... Pachamama Nov 16 #6
K&R Justice matters. Nov 16 #21
WOW! THANKS! vapor2 Nov 16 #42
Kick SheltieLover Nov 16 #5
Keep shouting it! sop Nov 16 #8
We need to start monitoring one-way flights to Russia Miles Archer Nov 16 #9
It will be Saudi Arabia, as pedo the felon will host his new boss. Justice matters. Nov 16 #22
Good call. Traildogbob Nov 16 #34
Nah... buzzycrumbhunger Nov 16 #31
Any good graphic artists on here? lastlib Nov 16 #39
Exactly PatSeg Nov 16 #10
but a lot of them didn't roll off his back NJCher Nov 16 #13
Yes that's true PatSeg Nov 16 #15
Not hard enough!!! "Trump IS a child rapist." Grins Nov 16 #11
Katie Johnson jaymac Nov 17 #61
Miles Archer.... Upthevibe Nov 16 #12
That's what a lot of people have been thinking, thanks for saying it out loud Chris. Clouds Passing Nov 16 #14
This was not a "sex ring" Bluetus Nov 16 #16
No, but MAGA accepts money laundering. Some don't accept sex trafficking. Raven123 Nov 16 #19
I don't think his panic is about losing MAGA. Bluetus Nov 16 #35
He's been extorting people and criminalling all his life... llmart Nov 16 #23
The public is never going to bring him down. Bluetus Nov 16 #36
The public votes and puts them in office. llmart Nov 16 #37
Excellent angle, Bluetus... Escape Nov 16 #43
I think we'll have a much clearer picture this week with the roll call vote. Bluetus Nov 16 #54
Yup. I want to see those business records. This has deep, deep international legs. travelingthrulife Nov 16 #28
yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! jaymac Nov 17 #62
That right there. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 17 #65
I said almost verbatim the same thing a day or so ago BattleRow Nov 16 #52
I want to believe those in front of cameras know this, but are just being extra-careful Bluetus Nov 16 #55
LOUDER! (nt) Paladin Nov 16 #17
du rec AllaN01Bear Nov 16 #18
K&R Wicked Blue Nov 16 #20
Gross, craven immorality - yep. Our republic has become so profoundly materialistic, we don't really even have PatrickforB Nov 16 #25
Moral compasses get in the way of profits. So, we don't use them anymore. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Nov 17 #66
Sen. Chris Murphy should be Senate Majority Leader. MuirHero Nov 16 #27
And then POTUS with a midwestern woman as his VP. CTyankee Nov 16 #32
VIDEO of Sam Stein's (The Bulwark) interview with Chris Murphy link below CousinIT Nov 16 #29
Trump Is Acting Guilty DallasNE Nov 16 #33
Yep: The Sex Trafficing President Chasstev365 Nov 16 #38
When Chris Murphy talks, I listen. yellow dahlia Nov 16 #40
point of confusion NJCher Nov 16 #41
I don't believe Chump spent several hours with Virginia Giuffre FakeNoose Nov 16 #47
Kick red dog 1 Nov 16 #44
GOP have been bloviating all along about QAnon cabal of wealthy child abusers IronLionZion Nov 16 #45
Wonder if the rumored timms139 Nov 16 #46
It seems that Epstein gave Pootie some kind of kompromat to use against Chump FakeNoose Nov 16 #48
PREACH IT BROTHER CHRIS Skittles Nov 16 #49
Lock him up! malaise Nov 16 #50
Not only do I want to hear more elected Dems talk like this, I'd like to hear some RockRaven Nov 16 #51
Senator Murphy should replace Chuck Schumer! Emile Nov 16 #53
Hopefully Murphy knows something we don't know....... yet. dem4decades Nov 16 #56
Kick. usonian Nov 16 #57
K&R spanone Nov 16 #58
Trumps samplegirl Nov 17 #59
"Knew about it"??? HUH UH! no_hypocrisy Nov 17 #60
Pedophile sex ring is only part of it. returnee Nov 17 #63
He's trying to protect himself and a whole lot of others. It's big club and I would bet it's been around before Bush 1. Hotler Nov 17 #67
So I've become skeptical that the Epstein scandal will actually lead us anywhere... jimlup Nov 17 #69

KS Toronado

(22,552 posts)
24. I'll go thirds
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:23 PM
Nov 16

Wonder if he'll have a heart attack with the walls closing in? Or does his big genius brain believe he can
come out on top of everything so nothing bothers him?

Everybody is saying he should have one. Make Pedophiles Great Again!

DBoon

(24,599 posts)
26. heart attacks can be induced by certain toxins
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:30 PM
Nov 16

a heart attack is not invariably death by natural causes

Farmer-Rick

(12,351 posts)
64. There is some correlation between cardiovascular disease
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 08:01 AM
Nov 17

And asbestos exposure. Pedo Trump was exposed to asbestos when he tore down the east wing. He's probably still being exposed to it since no remediation was done. That asbestos is still floating around in the AC and heating units of the White House.

Normally it only floats around for about 72 hours but any slight breeze will have it floating around again. Every breath he takes his exposure levels go up.

70sEraVet

(5,188 posts)
68. I'm sure RFKjr has found some studies....
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:52 AM
Nov 17

That show that asbestos exposure improves the libido!

buzzycrumbhunger

(1,551 posts)
30. I think he's more likely to stroke out.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:36 PM
Nov 16

The BIG one. He’s already had precursors.

Fingers crossed—though it would be nice if they’d simply impeach him and include his whole cabal in the punishment.

Justice matters.

(9,213 posts)
21. K&R
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:02 PM
Nov 16

OP deserving for reaching the Greatest.

The Guardians Of Pedophiles will be destroyed as Lindsey Graham predicted, and they will deserve it.

sop

(17,139 posts)
8. Keep shouting it!
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:02 PM
Nov 16

Trump was “at the center of a child sex ring,” the files contain “something especially and specifically incriminating," the president was involved in "gross, craven immorality," it is "the biggest scandal in presidential history."

Miles Archer

(21,241 posts)
9. We need to start monitoring one-way flights to Russia
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:04 PM
Nov 16

Sure, like everything else in his life, he COULD get away with it.

Until he doesn't, right?

Justice matters.

(9,213 posts)
22. It will be Saudi Arabia, as pedo the felon will host his new boss.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:06 PM
Nov 16

The butcher of Jamal Khashoggi will be in the OO Tuesday with his bribes.

Traildogbob

(12,344 posts)
34. Good call.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:40 PM
Nov 16

That is exactly where they will feel at home. One wrong word in Russia and they will fly out windows or drink plutonium. Ole Pootie is as loyal as Trump.
Plus pootie may be going broke and Saudis eat cash like a salad.
Not so sure the population would be so welcoming of American Politicians. The 9/11 Saudis were just common citizens. They may wanna do some sawing themselves on those refugee American political leaders, that approve and send troops to carry out their orders of slaughtering Muslims, women and children.
Hopefully every nation will seal their porters to keep this scum out of their society.
Let em roam the dessert for 40+years. And eat their own cash to live.
Just an opinion of one.

lastlib

(27,322 posts)
39. Any good graphic artists on here?
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:53 PM
Nov 16

Visualize a big circle, with the words "Child Sex Ring" around the circumference, and the visage of the #1 Felon/Rapist in the center of it.

"At the center of a child sex ring." Who doesn't believe it now? He is calling it a hoax, which is all the more reason to believe it's true.

PatSeg

(51,724 posts)
10. Exactly
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:12 PM
Nov 16

He has let so many scandals just roll off his back, but this one is really scaring him. It could be even worse than we are imagining.

NJCher

(42,190 posts)
13. but a lot of them didn't roll off his back
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:29 PM
Nov 16

He flim flammed his way into the WH. When he's out of the presidency, those suits will be resumed. I am talking about suits like Jack Smith's.

PatSeg

(51,724 posts)
15. Yes that's true
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:35 PM
Nov 16

And I really think his third run for the presidency was primarily to avoid prison. Meanwhile, he's found numerous ways to enrich himself in the process.

I really have my doubts that he will live long enough to see those suits resumed, though there are plenty of others in his administration who are vulnerable and should make sure their passports are up to date.

Grins

(9,190 posts)
11. Not hard enough!!! "Trump IS a child rapist."
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:13 PM
Nov 16

Part of a sex trafficking ring doesn’t get to who this monster really is!!

jaymac

(160 posts)
61. Katie Johnson
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:37 AM
Nov 17

was 13 when she says trump raped her because she looked like Ivanka............whatever became of that suit?

Upthevibe

(9,926 posts)
12. Miles Archer....
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:21 PM
Nov 16

I saw him on CSPAN at a gathering/town hall. He was speaking truth to power for sure.

I've been saying for a while now that I can see Chris Murphy as a Presidential Candidate.

Bluetus

(2,072 posts)
16. This was not a "sex ring"
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:37 PM
Nov 16

Sex was just the bait, and Trump has no shame about any sex. Sex with prostitutes. Sex with women he raped. Sex with his own daughter. He has no shame about any of that. That is NOT why he is panicked.

He is panicked because if we can get to the heart of this Epstein/Maxwell/Trump partnership, it will connect all the big dots for which we have already seen plenty of anecdotal evidence. Massive money laundering. Extortion. Selling of classified information. Working directly for our enemies. Having his businesses funded by the Russians. All these things come together with Epstein.

I can only hope that Murphy is not so naive as to think this is just about sex with some underage girls (which would be a huge scandal and tragedy for anybody else). I hope that Murphy has much more awareness of the full picture, but doesn't want to get ahead of his skis. I mean, Murphy should have a good idea of the extent of the FBI files, and should know that the bigger picture will be obvious if we can get the files in public.

Raven123

(7,389 posts)
19. No, but MAGA accepts money laundering. Some don't accept sex trafficking.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:59 PM
Nov 16

Both are true, but go with what will exert the most pressure.

Bluetus

(2,072 posts)
35. I don't think his panic is about losing MAGA.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:41 PM
Nov 16

I mean, the people who can bring him down are all the backstabbers he has surrounded himself with. The MAGA people just give him the appearance of power. Theil/Vance, Musk, Bannon/Miller, MTG and many others are all trying to get positioned for his fall. It is the curse of the tyrant. Everybody you depend on hates you, but fears you. When the moment comes, the knives will come out. That is what Trump is panicked about.

llmart

(17,216 posts)
23. He's been extorting people and criminalling all his life...
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:21 PM
Nov 16

those of us old enough to remember know that. But the public is more likely to dismiss something as "complicated" as his money schemes. But give them something salacious and sex/drug/trafficking of young girls will get the public talking around the water cooler on a daily basis, and the complicit legacy media will be forced to air it all or get left in the dust.

Bluetus

(2,072 posts)
36. The public is never going to bring him down.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:45 PM
Nov 16

It is his "friends" who will do him in. They are only hanging around now because it is profitable for them and they want to be there when he falls to keep the spoils coming.

They all hate him, with the possible exception of Miller. He may be the only one in that entire cabal who is not in it for the money. He is a Nazi through and through. His interest in money is like Hitler's: to fund the dream. The rest of them are just grifters of the highest order.

llmart

(17,216 posts)
37. The public votes and puts them in office.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:48 PM
Nov 16

If they think they stand to lose their cushy jobs in Congress, they'll throw Trump under the bus. Starting with MTG, they're getting out in front of the truth that's about to explode in the public forum.

Escape

(350 posts)
43. Excellent angle, Bluetus...
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:21 PM
Nov 16

They surely must hate him and hate having to serve him.

This is their big chance to escape from Trump Island.

Hope they flee quickly and en masse.

Bluetus

(2,072 posts)
54. I think we'll have a much clearer picture this week with the roll call vote.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 08:05 PM
Nov 16

If it is only the 4 Republicans who signed the discharge petition, then Trump likely survives to 2028 and the files will never come out.

If 50 or more Republicans vote for release, then things could move quickly. You know they are all comparing notes like high school girls talking about prom dates. "Are you voting for release? I will if you will."

A number like 50 might be enough to get the Senate on board. It would certainly pump up the pressure.

A number closer to 100 could make it almost impossible for Trump to veto it. He would probably flip to saying, "Of course we're releasing the files. Just as soon as we have a blue ribbon commission go over every document to make sure we are redacting every detail that could hurt anybody (especially me)."

Personally, I think it is most likely that it will be just the 4 (Massie, Greene, Mace, Boebert). I hope I am way off. The Trump from a year ago wouldn't have lost those 4, but certainly would not lose any more than 4. So this will be an excellent gauge of Trump's hold on the GOP.

BattleRow

(2,074 posts)
52. I said almost verbatim the same thing a day or so ago
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 06:14 PM
Nov 16

to an acquaintance of mine.
But you said it far more eloquently.

Bluetus

(2,072 posts)
55. I want to believe those in front of cameras know this, but are just being extra-careful
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 08:08 PM
Nov 16

Because, at this point, the big thing is to get the files into public, not to connect all the dots for the people.

PatrickforB

(15,316 posts)
25. Gross, craven immorality - yep. Our republic has become so profoundly materialistic, we don't really even have
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:25 PM
Nov 16

a moral compass to speak of.

Maybe the release of these files can bring a bunch of disgusting pedophiles. Because of the King Charles can strip his brother of all title and so on over his involvement, then we need to clean house here. For sure.

MuirHero

(81 posts)
27. Sen. Chris Murphy should be Senate Majority Leader.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:32 PM
Nov 16

Sen. Chris Murphy should become our next Senate Majority Leader when the Democrats take back control of the senate.

CousinIT

(12,111 posts)
29. VIDEO of Sam Stein's (The Bulwark) interview with Chris Murphy link below
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:35 PM
Nov 16
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/chris-murphy-trumps-freakout-over

Starts talking about Epstein around 9:33.

Link to a site I never heard of supposedly detailing his comments in this interview: https://dnyuz.com/2025/11/16/could-bring-him-down-senator-says-trump-was-clearly-at-center-of-child-sex-ring/

(I've never heard of DNYUZ - the name of the site)

NJCher

(42,190 posts)
41. point of confusion
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:06 PM
Nov 16

I'm confused about Giuffre saying he always acted like a perfect gentleman, yet this post of Epstein's says trump spent 2 hours with (presumably) Giuffre. The only explanation can be that when she said he was a gentleman was before she spent the time at Epstein's house with trump.

Epstein email about her spending several hours at Epstein's house with Trump:

Link to email.

That email was sent to Maxwell by Epstein on 4/2/2011

When she said Trump always behaved like a gentleman would have been when? I did a search for the date but so far haven't come up with it.

FakeNoose

(39,779 posts)
47. I don't believe Chump spent several hours with Virginia Giuffre
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:04 PM
Nov 16

On the other hand, we don't know if there was another girl named Virginia? Of perhaps Epstein was mistaken on the identity of the girl that Chump was with? I can't explain it. But in Virginia's own words, she said she never saw Chump on the Lolita Express plane nor at Epstein's home(s).

If Virginia Roberts Giuffre had been abused or raped by Chump, she would have said something about it. She had no reason to protect him. Until we hear differently from G. Maxwell (and I don't believe that will happen) I'm convinced it wasn't Giuffre.

IronLionZion

(50,604 posts)
45. GOP have been bloviating all along about QAnon cabal of wealthy child abusers
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:35 PM
Nov 16

They've been doing this for years going back to Pizzagate in 2016. They protest too much. There is way too much evidence for a supposedly innocent person.

timms139

(465 posts)
46. Wonder if the rumored
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:54 PM
Nov 16

PEE tape was actually real and given to Putin as a gift from Trump's buddy Epstein ?

FakeNoose

(39,779 posts)
48. It seems that Epstein gave Pootie some kind of kompromat to use against Chump
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:10 PM
Nov 16

It happened just before the Helsinki conference, and that's when Putin pulled the rug out from under Chump.

I'm wondering if - whatever it was - it made Chump convinced that Epstein was the source and that's why he died a year later in prison? If that's the case it won't show up in these emails or anywhere else. We need to start asking people like Bill Barr or possibly Rudy Giuliani. Under oath of course.

RockRaven

(18,549 posts)
51. Not only do I want to hear more elected Dems talk like this, I'd like to hear some
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 06:03 PM
Nov 16

start raising the issue of what evidence has been corruptly or illegally redacted, mishandled, or destroyed to cover up for Trump.

no_hypocrisy

(53,981 posts)
60. "Knew about it"??? HUH UH!
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:41 AM
Nov 17

I'd wager three years of my life that Trump split the profits of trafficking young girls with Epstein.

returnee

(780 posts)
63. Pedophile sex ring is only part of it.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:52 AM
Nov 17

This leads to Israel and Putin. A trifecta of criminal and treasonous horror.

Hotler

(13,696 posts)
67. He's trying to protect himself and a whole lot of others. It's big club and I would bet it's been around before Bush 1.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:11 AM
Nov 17

This could be a global crime, not just a Washington thing.

jimlup

(8,009 posts)
69. So I've become skeptical that the Epstein scandal will actually lead us anywhere...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:59 AM
Nov 17

My guess is tRump will be able to ride this one out.

I truly wonder if we should be concentrating our efforts somewhere else. Yes, let's release the damn files but I'm doubtful that we will find a smoking gun.

Further I think tRump's corrupt Justice department will obfuscate or redact anything incriminating in the files...

Just say'n

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