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Couldn't Trump just have doctored Epstein records released? (Original Post) samsingh Nov 2025 OP
I think there are too many "insiders" that have seen them to get away with it. Wonder why Biden didn't release them? walkingman Nov 2025 #1
Ghislaine Maxwell's trial didn't conclude until the end of 2021 Arazi Nov 2025 #5
Thank you - makes sense. It highlights how much damage just one person can do to our country. walkingman Nov 2025 #7
At least two of the victims still had legal cases underway. GoCubsGo Nov 2025 #8
Thank you also - DU members are a wealth of information. walkingman Nov 2025 #9
I thought the Johnson cases were dropped in 2016? MichMan Nov 2025 #17
They were dropped in 2016 forthemiddle Nov 2025 #21
Maybe because Garland was doing his job Jersey Devil Nov 2025 #10
I just always assumed there are democrats Tree Lady Nov 2025 #16
Could be...because this has gone on for so long it leads to all kinds of speculation and rationalization.... walkingman Nov 2025 #19
Yes but that will backfire. Too many people have their own set of documents Arazi Nov 2025 #2
Biden was too busy trying to fix the country johnnyfins Nov 2025 #3
Gotta say that had the documents been displacedvermoter Nov 2025 #14
This is true as well johnnyfins Nov 2025 #15
Wasn't making sure Trump's crimes were exposed to the voters important to the country? samsingh Nov 2025 #22
Of course it was, but we were coming out of a Pandemic. johnnyfins Nov 2025 #23
Could it be there is more of one copy out there, and Trump doesn't hold all the copies? patphil Nov 2025 #4
I doubt very much that there is a single copy of the files. Ocelot II Nov 2025 #6
It's the pics and videos that are most damning imo Iwasthere Nov 2025 #11
Trump must go now Blues Heron Nov 2025 #12
I hope the photos and possible videos are also released. Much harder deny something you walkingman Nov 2025 #13
Used to be the case before AI MichMan Nov 2025 #18
I think he needs to know who will vote on it off-the-clock Nov 2025 #20

walkingman

(10,860 posts)
1. I think there are too many "insiders" that have seen them to get away with it. Wonder why Biden didn't release them?
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:17 PM
Nov 2025

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
5. Ghislaine Maxwell's trial didn't conclude until the end of 2021
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:23 PM
Nov 2025

No documents would have been released until the trial was concluded.

New information came out in the trial that re-opened the investigation. Merrick Fucking Garland decided to be a total stickler about “protocols” and wouldn’t release any docs while there was an open investigation. Then he dragged his feet until it was 2024 whereby (whoopsie!) we’re into an election year and candidate investigations get iced out of deference per that fucking OLC memo

walkingman

(10,860 posts)
7. Thank you - makes sense. It highlights how much damage just one person can do to our country.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:28 PM
Nov 2025

GoCubsGo

(34,910 posts)
8. At least two of the victims still had legal cases underway.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:28 PM
Nov 2025

Therefore, Biden could not release anything. One of them was Katie Johnson, who eventually backed down due to threats from Trump and/or his various thugs.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
21. They were dropped in 2016
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 02:30 PM
Nov 2025

Katie Johnson dropped all charges in 2016 and the Maxwell case finished in 2022, three years before President Bidens term ended.
There was more than enough time for the files to be released.
Why the Biden, or Harris campaigns didn't get the files released I will never understand, but it certainly wasn't because they ran out of time.

Jersey Devil

(10,833 posts)
10. Maybe because Garland was doing his job
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:33 PM
Nov 2025

The investigation was open and DOJ policy is not to release info re pending investigations. He was being cautious (overly cautious in the investigation of Trump imo).

Tree Lady

(13,282 posts)
16. I just always assumed there are democrats
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 01:39 PM
Nov 2025

And donors in there along with Trump and republicans. At the time Trump was being taken to court and possibly going to jail for many different things, he might have not wanted to give them a chance to say he was prejudicing the jurors against him.

walkingman

(10,860 posts)
19. Could be...because this has gone on for so long it leads to all kinds of speculation and rationalization....
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 02:19 PM
Nov 2025

but the one truth is that venerable young girls were exploited by the rich and powerful and highlights how our society does not take seriously the victimization of women or girls. Things like domestic abuse, physical or sexual violence, continues until people are held accountable and throughout history that is seldom the case.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
2. Yes but that will backfire. Too many people have their own set of documents
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:18 PM
Nov 2025

Or have seen the originals.

Many of the young women’s defense attorneys have original docs. So does the Epstein estate. I presume at least a couple of the attorneys that were involved in any type of scrub job kept an original set (or two).

It’s possible some Dem lawmakers are holding original documents as well. Time will tell

displacedvermoter

(4,493 posts)
14. Gotta say that had the documents been
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Nov 2025

released in their entirety, and had that prevented Trump from getting elected, that would have helped the American people immensely.

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
22. Wasn't making sure Trump's crimes were exposed to the voters important to the country?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:07 AM
Nov 2025

johnnyfins

(3,767 posts)
23. Of course it was, but we were coming out of a Pandemic.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:26 PM
Nov 2025

With the economy and country wrecked by TSFs response to said pandemic. I agree that more should have been done to male sure TSF never got his orange claws on the control levers again, but that would have taken all 3 branches. And look what happened when we did try to use the 14th amendement?

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
6. I doubt very much that there is a single copy of the files.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 2025

It's a ton of stuff, on paper and stored electronically, and by now it's in many different hands. Once something takes electronic form it's very easy to move around. Many cats are out of many bags already; I doubt it's even possible at this point to alter, redact or destroy all copies or versions of the contents. (It's not like the Pentagon Papers, where Daniel Ellsberg smuggled batches of documents out of his office and took them to another location in order to photocopy all 7,000 pages, a page at a time, over a period of four months.)

Iwasthere

(3,512 posts)
11. It's the pics and videos that are most damning imo
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:34 PM
Nov 2025

Probably a video of an unexscusable crime, even for maga

walkingman

(10,860 posts)
13. I hope the photos and possible videos are also released. Much harder deny something you
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Nov 2025

see with your own "lyin' eyes" - but not impossible in todays world.

off-the-clock

(339 posts)
20. I think he needs to know who will vote on it
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 02:29 PM
Nov 2025

... Both demonize the Democrats and primary the Republicans

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