Hang on to your hats...

[PCIntern]

This may be the wildest ride internally since the Civil War. It transcends even the OJ Simpson case which had EVERYTHING: murder, sex, exquisite-looking people, police corruption, celebrity clients, attorneys, and witnesses, mystery, Los Angeles as a venue, and incredible crime scene technology, to name just a few. This has the potential to blow the lid off every aspect of American hierarchy in politics, academia, corporate, and millionaire/billionaire class, again, to name just a few.

This could change the landscape of the contemporary American Experience. Eventually, this will all be revealed.

I hope and pray.

[Shellback Squid]

1. what are you talking about?

[PCIntern]

3. Nothing. Nothing at all...

Oh….Epstein File release.

[Shellback Squid]

4. the murder is new to me unless you mean epsteins demise

[PCIntern]

7. Ok

The OJ trial was the one of the most significant American issues which overtook the nation. It overshadowed every other bit of news at the time.

This list of perpetrators if/when released may eclipse that in terms of impact.

[Cirsium]

50. No it wasn't

Whites were strangely obsessed with the Simpson murder case. That was bizarre and disgusting and had nothing to do with anything other than racism. It certainly was not "one of the most significant American issues."

[Skittles]

68. OJ got away with a double murder

seems like money trumps racism

[Cirsium]

70. There you go

"Money trumps racism." White people were all over that one. The one case that "proved" that "it's not about race!!" You just gave my point a powerful endorsement.

[Skittles]

78. yeah, keep telling yourself that

I'm not religious but if there's any real justice, that murdering POS is frying now.

oh and btw
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oj-simpsons-estate-agrees-pay-nearly-58m-ron-goldmans-father-rcna244346

even they know

[Cirsium]

86. Absurd

Did I say he was innocent? No. Did I say he shouldn't have been convicted? No.

I said white people were obsessed with the case.

[Betty Boom]

79. He butchered two people and got away with it

A history of racial injustice in this country is undeniable. But does that make it right that a murderous wife-beating bastard got away with murder??? Spare me.

[Cirsium]

87. Of course not

"A history of racial injustice in this country" have to do with "a murderous wife-beating bastard got away with murder?"

I said that white people were strangely obsessed with the case. It was beyond the Super Bowl, beyond the moon landing, beyond election nights. Day after day hour after hour people were glued to the TV, cheering and booing every move in the court room. Bars and coffee houses were standing room only. People wanted to be part of a howling mob while they watched it, I guess. Many are still obsessed.

[PatrickforB]

29. Oh, no...I'm thinking a number of these young ladies might have been killed over the years if they tried to get away.

This is human sex trafficking by billionaire dirtbag pedophile parasites. If someone becomes inconvenient to such men, they will casually have them killed.

[MuirHero]

41. Epstein's own brother has maintained all along that Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide.

[EdmondDantes_]

45. It's pretty common for family members to struggle to accept suicide

The brother also says Jeffrey Epstein was innocent. He's not particularly credible on the subject.

[quakerboy]

48. If the various indications of Russian Intel involvement are remotely accurate

It would be pretty wierd if there werent murders involved somewhere in the process.

[oldmanlynn]

60. They will be heavily redacted so nothing comes out.

Our only hope is somebody leaks the entire files leave them sitting outside somewhere MSNBC or something

[Aussie105]

74. I share your concern that this will be a fizzer,

a heavily redacted nothingburger.

There has been enough time for sorting documents into two piles, one for release - heavily redacted - and those that went into the shredder.

[spanone]

2. K&R

[EYESORE 9001]

5. Sounds like 'must-seeTV'

One would think network executroids would be thrilled to cover a story lasting past one news cycle.

[evolves]

24. Problem is, many of them

are likely involved…

[quakerboy]

49. Or at least their owners are.

I think the same is true in politics. I suspect there are fewer politicians on that list than most expect, and more megadonors.

[livetohike]

6. All of that plus the cover up will exceed that of Watergate.

We’re going to need a lot of popcorn.

[popsdenver]

35. After this

Watergate on a scale of one to a million, will rate a .5 when compared to all of this.........

[miyazaki]

43. Compared to this, Watergate is nothing but a cold fart. nt

[COL Mustard]

47. My blood pressure can't handle

A lot of popcorn. I put too much salt on it, apparently.

[doc03]

8. I agree that would be the case but I don't think

the Epstein files will ever see the light of day.

[Gimpyknee]

40. I'm saddened to think that you're probably correct.

[Ponietz]

9. The Simpson estate finally settled with Mr. Goldman for over $50 million dollars

God, I hope this doesn’t require 30 years to redress.

[Wednesdays]

27. And in 30 years Generation Betas will say, "Trump who?"

[calimary]

72. I look forward to that day.

Even though I doubt I’ll live to see it.

[Fil1957]

10. One important difference. O.J. didn't have command of the armed forces or nukes.

[Intractable]

11. RE: OJ, you didn't mention the awesome car chase down the freeway.

So slow, it could be filmed from every angle.

I'd be fine if Trump's end comes in the form of a fleeing White Bronco.

[PCIntern]

14. A great moment in sports history

I will never forget that we had had some people over who had left. I went upstairs to take a look at the NBA playoff game and instead I see this white car driving, so I figured I had the wrong channel went to another channel. It’s the same shot of the white car and I yelled down to my then-wife: “you better get up here something‘s going on.“

[MiHale]

32. June 17th....OJ chase was my birthday present...

Couldn’t return it.

[evolves]

25. I'd be happy to watch him

fall down the stairs of AF1 and break his neck

[HighFired49]

64. I'd like to see

him end in a fleeing white golf cart, ending in the farthest water hazard. Seems about his speed.

[jmbar2]

12. Sounds like...

[BlueKota]

13. I wish I shared your confidence,

, but tsf and his lap dog Johnson wouldn't be changing their tune to the press, if they didn't believe they had away to protect themselves. Like many have said here, and in the press, Bondi will probably claim she can't release them because of an active investigation, or they have scrubbed all the parts that will hurt tsf or any of his supporters. They will have left anything that points to Democrats being involved. I also don't think they are above planting phony evidence.

I know I am being a pessimist, but I have seen so many headlines since the whole tsf nightmare began, saying he's done, yet he's still standing, and taking a wrecking ball to the country.

I am tired of getting my hopes up only to watch them crash. I am saving the celebration until he is actually impeached, jailed, or succumbs to natural causes.

[PCIntern]

15. That would be the equivalent of Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox

Firestorm. And I don’t mean the movie starring Howie Long!

[Wednesdays]

28. We hope.

The M$M is an entirely different animal than it was in 1973. The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column. And don't get me started about social media.

[GopherGal]

18. Yeah, I'm worried that they're adulterating the evidence as fast as they can

with rooms full of little DOGE-bags scrubbing Drumpf and his buddies' names out of the files, leaving us to guess who "Bubba" and "the dog who didn't bark" were.

[MuirHero]

44. There is a huge risk to the criminal cabal if they alter the files.

Because they do not know who else out there has corroborating evidence that would expose any criminal attempt to destroy or alter any evidence that is in the possession of the DOJ. It is also very likely that FBI whistleblowers, particularly those who lost their jobs, would come forward and expose any alteration of the Epstein files.

[BlueKota]

63. This gives me a bit more reassurance.

[calimary]

73. Makes me wonder if somebody along the way made himself/herself a copy.

[tavernier]

81. You can bet Musk did.

Elon knows what has great monetary value.

[KS Toronado]

26. Almost everybody hates Pedophiles and some of the stuff

IQ4.7 & his partners-in-crime want to stay hidden will mysteriously "trickle down" out of the DOJ one of
these days or Congress will find a way to make them public. The dam is starting to leak and Rs can not
hold it back forever. It'll be time for Rs to question how they vote.

When it does I hope our party adopts a poor vs the super wealthy game plan to win elections. Wealthy Rs
want more tax breaks to buy expensive toys like molesting children, wealthy Ds say I've got more money
than I need TAX ME.

[ToxMarz]

16. This is a big deal, but not EVERYONE we can think of is in the Epstein files

I have no doubt there will be many prominent names in there and big repercussions but just as the Magats will be disappointed that not every single Democrat is in them, not every Republican, billionaire, CEO etc is in them either.

[TheRickles]

17. I'll see you and raise you one (scandal).

The Epstein/Trump stuff is already reaching over to Israel (via Maxwell's Mossad links), and my guess is that they're behind a lot of this. So hopefully it won't be too long before we're saying "Bye-bye Bibi!".

[PCIntern]

19. And Putin's involvement.

I think that is what they’re REALLY afraid of.

[TheRickles]

20. Yep. I wonder what the Vegas odds are on this all coming out.

[Captain Zero]

76. Maybe this is what has shuttered Vegas?

nt

[Bev54]

21. Eventually is too long to wait, the country needs it all to come out now.

Unfortunately Trump cabal is fighting hard against that. I just hope it doesn't have to wait until a democratic administration. A revolt needs to happen.

[johnnyfins]

34. Too long? See JFK files.

[Joinfortmill]

22. Yup, a Tsunami of crime, corruption, graft, exploitation and just plain ugliness is about to erupt.

[KS Toronado]

30. Yep, and it'll be overwhelming MSM on how to report on it

they can't cover for IQ4.7 forever and eventually will start telling the truth I believe.

[rampartd]

23. can you imagine dershowicz in the civil war

john wilkes booth might have him for the defense.

[OldBaldy1701E]

71. Umm... isn't he supposed to shoot himself on live television since Mandami won the election?

Per his own postings?

[cilla4progress]

31. MTG went STRAIGHT AT

Dumpf!!!!!!!

[azureblue]

33. and more than that

is the money laundering and back door financing that Epstein brokered. Shady connections with Putin. Suspicious money transferring after Epstein died. Epstein was worth billions, and had no source of income, but money "given" to him. Blackmail? This is the part the GOP is afraid to let see the light. I am sure that the money shenanigans will include big GOP donors and groups, like the Heritage Foundation, Turning Point, etc.

I think the Child trafficking and international pedo ring is a part of it, and overlaps with his finances.

Will Trump be set up as a scapegoat, to direct attention away from this? He may, but Trump will take the whole house down with him, if he goes..

And hopefully this will end the corrupt GOP for good.

[slightlv]

58. I agree with what you've said

about the trafficking and money angles, but I think many are thinkng too small in scope. We're not criminals or psychopaths. I think we have to stretch into huge mob industries... real estate, gambling, and even drugs. What would it do if we find out part of Epsteins and trumps business was drug trafficking, especially after bombing innocents on the same charge in so many different countries. Trump could start WWIII without even trying just due to international outrage. And if vsnce pardons him or we switch back to our old form of legal process, not only would we be on the brink of rioting but I think so it would be internationally, too.

[YodaMom2]

36. You still assume this vote in the House will ultimately result in the release of the Epstein files

(after it passes in the Senate and, of course, is signed by the Resident). However, I suspect tRump’s complete about-face on the subject was not just to save face (since even that dumb bastard could tell what direction the wind is blowing). I think he’s already worked it out with Bondi to have her deny (or limit) the release due to “ongoing investigations”. He’ll pretend his hands are tied and let her take all the heat.

[InstantGratification]

57. THIS

When dumpster fire directed Bondi to open an investigation to Democrats in the files, that was the clue. She opens those investigations and the House and Senate at large can be denied ALL access to the files. The House Oversight Committee and Senate Judiciary (I believe those are the relevant committees) can still subpoena files but the DoJ can deny any files they deem too sensitive to share due to the investigations. So DoJ can provide some files, hold back others and they don't even have to tell the committees that the withheld files exist!!!

The cherry on the top for dumpster fire is DoJ can release files that pertain to his enemies and not release those related to his allies. The Qanon crowd will eat it up: "We told you it was Democrats in those files. That's why Biden wouldn't release them!!"

[Vinca]

37. Unfortunately, I think Blondie will be Trump's savior and sit on the files because of an "ongoing investigation."

[Totally Tunsie]

42. I'm longing for the day Blondie Bondi experiences her John Mitchell comeuppance.

[returnee]

55. There should be a lawsuit countering that.

It’s obstructing justice and transparent selective prosecution.

[Bobstandard]

38. More likely to affirm the untouchability of the rich and powerful

Whether withheld, altered, missing or destroyed, it’s unlikely we’ll ever see anything like the complete files. Those we suspect of being involved really do live in an alternate world of privilege. If necessary a distraction as bold, wreckless, and destructive as bombing Mexico is fine with them.

[IbogaProject]

39. Just a distraction to kee our eyes away from serious things

Where was this "story" 15 months ago? This story reappeared right after the BBB got passed in July. I really feel this is a planned distraction away from serious issues and the wealthy folks harming us. I agree this is titilating and the rights of the victims to get redress are both important but we have secret police grabbing people and leaving little in the way of a paper trail and we have war crimes being perpetrated by our military on the open seas, not to mention the esclation with tomahawks being delivered to Ukraine to keep poking Russia.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

65. And selling fighter jets to Saudi Arabia. nt.

[Jbraybarten]

46. I'll be concerned about my hat when (if) we actually see documents

[marble falls]

51. Good or bad, it will NOT be indifferent, I think this will break the back of the GOP. A conservative third party ...

... will spin off over this.

[slightlv]

61. I wish the GOP would go the way

Of the Whigs, but they just keep churning. Eventually I see them splitting into several factions. Some of these will coalesce into real parties aligned on a republican spectrum.

Unfortunately I can see the same happening in the Democratic party too. Maybe not as many factions, but the split between FDR Dems, Progressives and New Way Centrist democrats is just as toxic to us. And I think after the last 10 years people have had enough of the moneyed elite controlling everything.

It won't happen right away but I believe politics is in for a huge rewrite here. Like... an updated more clearly written constitution and smaller political parties representing more of their constituents interests. I don't think we'll morph into a parliament but even that wouldn't surprise me. We stand on the precipice of something exciting, once we can finish dredging up all the corruption and truly draining the swamp. I would love to be here to see it but I have a feeling it'll be after my time.

The fly in the ointment, for me, are the magas. How do we handle them... work with... them. We can't just let them go back underground again. That just assures they'll rise again once they reorganize. Somehow we have to raise them up past their racism misogyny and hate and make them good world citizens. Transforming govt will be a snap compared to that!

[marble falls]

62. My great, great, great grandfather was the last Whig/Know Nothing Governor of Kentucky these guys mostly became ...

... Republicans.

[CanonRay]

52. I still think nothing will come of this

at least not right away. Bondi will bury anything incriminating, unless it's about a Dem, until the end of this administration. She had the case in Florida and buried it then.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

53. K/R NT

[Torchlight]

54. Mr. trump will still be the same degenerate half-wit tomorrow as he is today

I'm discounting the short-term effects of this as fizz on soda. It's as the mid-term campaigns begin I want the sizzle, the hard noses, and the messages. What happens every day over the next month will change by the next morning. Mid-terms is where it's all at.

[pat_k]

56. It is a decades long obscenity and corrupt, knee jerk protection of the powerful over multiple administrations.

The snowball is taking off.

And who knows, the blowback may indeed transform the adoration of wealth and power so many have held onto into a recognition of the magnitude with which such accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few corrupts our entire society -- accumulation that must be ENDED with inheritance tax, wealth tax, progressive tax on income, all to fund a program that would benefit ALL. For example, Piketty's Inheritance for All.

As we reverse the flow of dollars from the hands of the many to the hands of the few, we must advocate for a tangible benefit for all. And I think Piketty's Inheritance for All is a tangible benefit that we need to start advocating for now. That would put us on the path to achieving it -- or something even better -- before the youth of today are our age.

[FraDon]

59. There us indeed a 'deep state' with a LOT to keep hidden.

I speak of the variation of international criminal organizations. All the mobs, corrupt governments, predatory capitalists and monopolists, bankers, cryptonaughts and money launderers. At the center of this swirling cauldron of greed will be found the spooks. Not just ours. Every country has its own. But ours is impressive. The JFK hit and ongoing cover up to this moment is evidence aplenty.

[Montauk6]

66. No offense intended but I can't help but hear Stefan's voice as i read the OP (LMAO)

It transcends even the OJ Simpson case which had EVERYTHING: murder, sex, exquisite-looking people, police corruption, celebrity clients, attorneys, and witnesses, mystery, Los Angeles as a venue, and incredible crime scene technology,

[flamingdem]

75. I can especially hear "exquisite looking people"

LOL!

[Oneironaut]

67. We're going to get fake files, and, Trump will proclaim He's acquitted. The media drops the story after that. The end.

Sorry - That's really going to be it. The real story is never going to be told. Too many powerful people are on those documents.

[Septua]

69. Don't hold your breath.

https://time.com/7334450/epstein-files-released-trump-massie/

After months of insisting that the Epstein files were a “hoax” and his Department of Justice (DOJ) closing its investigation into the case, Trump ordered a new probe last week into several of his political opponents for their links to the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

But legal experts and some key figures pushing for the release of the files have questioned the sudden about-turn, suggesting that Trump may be using the new DOJ investigation to block any further releases.

Republican Rep. Thomas Massie, the key driver behind the push to force a vote in the House of Representatives to release the files, suggested the investigation may be a “smokescreen” and a “last-ditch effort to prevent the release of the Epstein files.”

“If they have ongoing investigations in certain areas, those documents can’t be released,” Massie said Sunday.

There's something in the files Trump doesn't want made public and there's no way in hell he decided overnight to allow it to become public. It's just not in his nature. He's got a plan that will likely keep exclusions in the courts for the remainder of his term. 2¢

[Betty Boom]

80. I think this will be a big fat nothing just like everything else

I’ve given up on the idea that he’s ever brought to justice. The fix is in. Either they have scrubbed the files completely, or they are going to be so redacted they will be worthless. They’re going to claim that ongoing cases make it impossible for them to release everything.

[womanofthehills]

84. Speaker of the House is freaking out - "it needed amendments "

Mike Johnson says he’s “deeply disappointed” the Senate passed the Epstein files bill without changes.

He says he spoke to Trump tonight, and they both “have concerns”

Link to tweet

?s=46

[Halicarnassus]

82. Uhh... no.

If two impeachments, Russian appeasement, failing a response to a global pandemic, Jan. 6, refusing to concede a presidential race he so badly lost, the invasion of our own cities, and the arrest and detainment of innocent American citizens didn’t move the needle much… I’d temper those expectations.

[PCIntern]

83. Ok. Opinions vary.

[av8rdave]

85. Unfortunately...

The full, unredacted files will never see the light of day as long as trump is alive.

It sucks, but the delay tactics will go on for years, and anything ultimately released will be scrubbed and doctored. trump’s name will be replaced by any number of names it hates.

[Kid Berwyn]

88. Perfect Investigatory Storm

Release the Epstein files, then get rid of the ‘Epstein class’

* Democrats released emails raising questions about Trump’s knowledge of Epstein’s crimes.

* President Trump does not want us to read the Epstein files.

By Anita Chablis
Los Angeles Times, November 14, 2025

We are being ruled by the “Epstein class,” and voters deserve to know the details of that particular scandal, and to be able to expect better of their leaders in the larger sense.

That’s the message we’ll be hearing a lot in the coming weeks and months now that Democrats have successfully moved forward their effort to release the full investigation into former President Trump buddy Jeffrey Epstein.

“When you take a step back, you have a country where an elite governing class has gotten away with impunity, and shafted the working class in this country, shafted factory towns, shafted rural communities,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Fremont) told me Wednesday.

Snip…

How appropriately strange for these days would it be if Epstein, who faced sex trafficking charges at the time of his death, provided the uniting message Democrats have been searching for?

“Epstein and economics” sounds like a stretch on the surface, but it is increasingly clear that Americans of all political stripes are tired of the rich getting richer, and bolder. The Epstein files are the bipartisan embodiment of that discontent.

Continues…

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-11-13/chabria-column-epstein-files-california-congressmen-ro-khanna-robert-garcia

Now’s the time — and yet, so many see only opportunities to fold.