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In It to Win It

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Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:42 AM Nov 2025

U.S.-Russian Peace Plan Would Force Ukraine to Cede Land and Cut Army

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A plan to end the war in Ukraine, negotiated between the Trump administration and Russia, would require Kyiv to surrender territory, significantly reduce the size of its army and relinquish some types of weaponry, according to officials familiar with the proposal.

The 28-point proposal, drafted without Ukrainian involvement, reflects the maximalist demands the Kremlin has made throughout the war, which Ukraine has long denounced as amounting to capitulation. Parts of the plan were described by two officials who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak publicly — one Ukrainian and one who did not want to be identified by country.

It is the latest effort by the Trump administration to reinvigorate stalled settlement talks in the nearly four-year-old war. But some Ukrainian commentators also saw the proposal as a bid by Russia to press Ukraine for concessions while the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky is weakened by a high-level corruption scandal, which could dissuade allies from sending aid. Kyiv is also under growing pressure on the battlefield, as Moscow’s forces make gains against a Ukrainian military that is stretched thin.

“One thing is clear,” said Kostiantyn Yelisieiev, a former presidential foreign policy adviser. “Ukraine’s position right now is not strong, and this is seen not only inside the country but also by our partners, including the United States, and of course by the aggressor.” Mr. Yelisieiev is in the political opposition to Mr. Zelensky.
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U.S.-Russian Peace Plan Would Force Ukraine to Cede Land and Cut Army (Original Post) In It to Win It Nov 2025 OP
We've seen this before: Just give up the Sudatenland (part Czechoslovakia 1938) and Hitler promises to take no more land Chasstev365 Nov 2025 #1
Proof of the veracity of the old saying cloudbase Nov 2025 #2
Couldn't we just shorten the name and call it Putin's Peace Plan (PPP) dem4decades Nov 2025 #3
"Surrender, Dorothy!" Hugin Nov 2025 #4
FU drumphf and Putin! electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #5
Art of the Steal Kid Berwyn Nov 2025 #6
Ukraine surrendered their nukes, on the promise that Russia would never invade. Swede Nov 2025 #7
Neville Trump RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #8
It appears that this plan was written by Putin LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #9

Chasstev365

(7,793 posts)
1. We've seen this before: Just give up the Sudatenland (part Czechoslovakia 1938) and Hitler promises to take no more land
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:49 AM
Nov 2025


Swede

(39,491 posts)
7. Ukraine surrendered their nukes, on the promise that Russia would never invade.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:48 PM
Nov 2025

That didn't work out too well.

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